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Re: [Amel] Re: Yanmar 100HP engine oil change
Hi Bill,
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during the workshop did you received Yanmar documentation to post for Group ? Your experince may be very practical for Yanmar 4JH3 owners. Thanks so much Giovanni TESTA s/v EUTIKIA SM2k n 428
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From: svbebe To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: [Amel] Re: Yanmar 100HP engine oil change I attended a 3-day diesel workshop sponsored by Yanmar. I worked on, assembled, and disassembled a 4JH3-HTE for 3 days. The class consisted of 12 folks, but I was the only one who owned a 4JH3-HTE so I received 1 on 1 time. It is easy to get confused on this issue because Yanmar makes some engines that use synthetic oil, but not the 4JH3-HTE. According to the Yanmar instructor, Yanmar reccomends against use of synthetic oil in the 4JH3-HTE. I believe it has something to do with the Turbo, but not 100% sure. He said that if you use synthetic oil in your Yanmar during the warranty period this will void the warranty. You are probably out of the warranty period, but with Yanmar's position on this issue, I would advise caution. I think I will listen to Yanmar on this issue because the downside is just not worth the upside... Regards, Bill Rouse s/v BeBe SM2 #387 anchored Opua, New Zealand --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "hkornberg" <hkornberg@...> wrote: > > Hello, I have an SM200 with the Yanmar 4JH3 engine having about > 2000HRS. To increase the oil change intervals, I have envisaged the use > of Synthetic lubricant. Any experience in using synthetic oil? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nessun virus nel messaggio in arrivo. Controllato da AVG - http://www.avg.com Versione: 8.0.175 / Database dei virus: 270.9.11/1817 - Data di rilascio: 28/11/2008 8.17
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Re: Yanmar 100HP engine oil change
svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
I attended a 3-day diesel workshop sponsored by Yanmar. I worked on,
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assembled, and disassembled a 4JH3-HTE for 3 days. The class consisted of 12 folks, but I was the only one who owned a 4JH3-HTE so I received 1 on 1 time. It is easy to get confused on this issue because Yanmar makes some engines that use synthetic oil, but not the 4JH3-HTE. According to the Yanmar instructor, Yanmar reccomends against use of synthetic oil in the 4JH3-HTE. I believe it has something to do with the Turbo, but not 100% sure. He said that if you use synthetic oil in your Yanmar during the warranty period this will void the warranty. You are probably out of the warranty period, but with Yanmar's position on this issue, I would advise caution. I think I will listen to Yanmar on this issue because the downside is just not worth the upside... Regards, Bill Rouse s/v BeBe SM2 #387 anchored Opua, New Zealand
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Re: [Amel] Yanmar 100HP engine oil change
Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
AS far as using a synthetic oil is concerned DO IT AND DO IT NOW. There are a number of very good reasons for using a synthetic oil that is designed for diesel engines;
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1- Diesels like to run hot, compression is very high as are the internal temperatures of the engine. IF you lose a raw or fresh water pump the temperature of the oil can go up very fast faster then the coolant. At about 250 defF mineral oil starts to come apart synthetic does not.. it will hang in there to over 500 giving you time to shut down and be safe... like drop the hook. 2- Given that it comes as multi grade oil it has a much lower constant of friction that gives on average about a 10 percent improvement in fuel consumption. 3- Because it does not get "burned" it last longer in the motor. You can go 100 hours without an issue. FOR you Turbo VOLVOS; keep in mind that the bearings in that thing get very hot and normal mineral oil will kill them. I have been using it on boats with diesel engines for over 10 years with no issues at all related to lubrication. If the engine is worn you may find that you use a bit more oil that is normal. Good luck and be sure to syn oil for diesel engines. Richard and Joan on Challenge
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Re: Hella fans
Ken & Judy <goldendaze@...>
Caframo fans made in Canada.
about 30 to 40 USD. Open rubber blade is easy to clean and about the same or more wind. 2 speed. We are replacing all with either the black or white. We have 13 fans. I will be glad when all the Hell-a are gone. Golden Daze Maramu 192 Marmaris Turkey
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Re: [Amel] Hella fans
kimberlite <kimberlite@...>
Jeff,
I sent a few of mine to Hella. Basically they said that's the way they are. When they are tilted they rattle. When they are straight they do not. Fair Winds, Eric Amel Super Maramu #376 Kimberlite _____ From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rapp.jeffrey Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:57 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel] Hella fans Hi. I'm Jeff aboard "Antares" SM 378. I have a number of Hella fans aboard. They all seem to start to rattle rather quickly after purchase. I presume the problem is with worn bearings. Does anyone else have this problem? If so, is there a fix, other than buying new fans, which are expensive? Can anyone recommend a different, perhaps better, brand? Thanks in advance. Jeff
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Re: [Amel] Yanmar 100HP engine oil change
jlmertz@free.fr <jlmertz@...>
I am not sure that synthetic oil is a good choice,
Normally for engines that have small rpm NON synthetic oil is more stable in time, A learned in the past that non synthetic oil increase her performance with time .... Only restriction is the turbo that _perhaps_ prefer synthetic oil due to height temperature, On my car without turbo I never change oil and I NEVER had a problem..... On my TMD 22P (a bad Volvo Penta engine) I put normal oil (*_and change oil filter_*) every 500 hours our 2 years. CottonBay /Tout est possible dans un monde infini / ------------------------------------------------------------------------ hkornberg a écrit :
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Yanmar 100HP engine oil change
hkornberg <hkornberg@...>
Hello, I have an SM200 with the Yanmar 4JH3 engine having about
2000HRS. To increase the oil change intervals, I have envisaged the use of Synthetic lubricant. Any experience in using synthetic oil?
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Hella fans
rapp.jeffrey <rapp.jeffrey@...>
Hi. I'm Jeff aboard "Antares" SM 378.
I have a number of Hella fans aboard. They all seem to start to rattle rather quickly after purchase. I presume the problem is with worn bearings. Does anyone else have this problem? If so, is there a fix, other than buying new fans, which are expensive? Can anyone recommend a different, perhaps better, brand? Thanks in advance. Jeff
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Re: Rép. : [Amel] bilge pump
Patrick McAneny
Richard, I would like to add a second bilge pump and alarm.What type of pump
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did you use ? Did you install in a second discharge hose or plumb it into the primary discharge hose ?I think once I replace the two check valves / joker valves my pump will start pumping. Happy Thanksgiving Pat&Diane
In a message dated 11/26/2008 9:58:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
richard03801@yahoo.com writes: HI Pat, One thought if you are going to replace your pump we have a pump that we found in the Vitus cat. that works just fine. It is wired to a float switch in a pipe that goes into the well. We too have a second pump that is wired to the high water alarm just in case. hope all else is well. Richard and Joan in Corsica SM 209 --- On Sun, 11/23/08, _sailw32@aol.sai_ (mailto:sailw32@aol.com) <_sailw32@aol.sai_ (mailto:sailw32@aol.com) > wrote: From: _sailw32@aol.sai_ (mailto:sailw32@aol.com) <_sailw32@aol.sai_(mailto:sailw32@aol.com) > Subject: Re: Rép. : [Amel] bilge pump(mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com) Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 8:34 PM(mailto:_laetitiaii@yahoo.la_ (mailto:laetitiaii@yahoo.ca) ) writes:(mailto:_sailw32@aol.sai_ (mailto:sailw32@aol.com) ) ) > a écrit :(mailto:_sailw32@aol.sai_ (mailto:sailw32@aol.com) ) ) > Objet: [Amel] bilge pump(mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com) ) ) Date: dimanche 23 Novembre 2008, 17 h 28f.promos.http//cf.http://cf.promhttp://cf._) (_http://cf.promos.http://cfhttp://cf.promhttp://cf._(http://cf.promos.http//cf.http://cfhttp://cf.prom_) ) (__http://cf.promos.http://cf.http://cf.promhttp://cf._(http://cf.promos.http//cf.http://cfhttp://cf.prom_) (_http://cf.promos.http://cf.http://cfhttp://cf.prom_(http://cf.promos.yahoo.com/courriel/visiteguidee2/) ) ) today!(__http://pr.atwola.http://pr.http://prhttp://pr.atwolhttp://pr.atwolahtt_ (http://pr.atwola.http//pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://p) _r.http://pr.r.http://pr.<WBr.http:/_(r.http://pr.ahttp://prhttp://pr.ht_) (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http://pr.ahttp://prhttp://pr.ht_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp) ) today!(_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http://pr.ahttp://prhttp://pr.ht_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp) %26icid=aolcom40van %26ici %26icid=aol **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Rép. : [Amel] bilge pump
Patrick McAneny
In a message dated 11/26/2008 9:58:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
richard03801@yahoo.com writes: HI Pat, One thought if you are going to replace your pump we have a pump that we found in the Vitus cat. that works just fine. It is wired to a float switch in a pipe that goes into the well. We too have a second pump that is wired to the high water alarm just in case. hope all else is well. Richard and Joan in Corsica SM 209 --- On Sun, 11/23/08, _sailw32@aol.sai_ (mailto:sailw32@aol.com) <_sailw32@aol.sai_ (mailto:sailw32@aol.com) > wrote: From: _sailw32@aol.sai_ (mailto:sailw32@aol.com) <_sailw32@aol.sai_(mailto:sailw32@aol.com) > Subject: Re: Rép. : [Amel] bilge pump(mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com) Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 8:34 PM(mailto:_laetitiaii@yahoo.la_ (mailto:laetitiaii@yahoo.ca) ) writes:(mailto:_sailw32@aol.sai_ (mailto:sailw32@aol.com) ) ) > a écrit :(mailto:_sailw32@aol.sai_ (mailto:sailw32@aol.com) ) ) > Objet: [Amel] bilge pump(mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com) ) ) Date: dimanche 23 Novembre 2008, 17 h 28(http://cf.promos.http//cf.http://cf.promhttp://cf._) (_http://cf.promos.http://cfhttp://cf.promhttp://cf._(http://cf.promos.http//cf.http://cfhttp://cf.prom_) ) (__http://cf.promos.http://cf.http://cf.promhttp://cf._(http://cf.promos.http//cf.http://cfhttp://cf.prom_) (_http://cf.promos.http://cf.http://cfhttp://cf.prom_(http://cf.promos.yahoo.com/courriel/visiteguidee2/) ) ) today!(__http://pr.atwola.http://pr.http://prhttp://pr.atwolhttp://pr.atwolahtt_ (http://pr.atwola.http//pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://p) _r.http://pr.r.http://pr.<WBr.http:/_(r.http://pr.ahttp://prhttp://pr.ht_) (_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http://pr.ahttp://prhttp://ew-ew_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp) ) today!(_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.http://pr.ahttp://prhttp://pr.ht_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp) %26icid=aolcom40van %26ici %26icid=aol **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Rép. : [Amel] bilge pump
Richard Piller <richard03801@...>
HI Pat, One thought if you are going to replace your pump we have a pump that we found in the Vitus cat. that works just fine. It is wired to a float switch in a pipe that goes into the well. We too have a second pump that is wired to the high water alarm just in case.
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hope all else is well. Richard and Joan in Corsica SM 209
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Re: [Amel] bilge pump
Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
Have a look at the small flaps that act as non-return valves. With time they bend and do no seal. Try reversing them and they seal. it works for me.
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Regards, Robin Cooter. Santorin 004 Belouga
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From: sailw32 <sailw32@aol.com> Subject: [Amel] bilge pump To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 23 November, 2008, 10:28 PM I have a Jabsco diaghram bilge pump.The motor is fine ,the diaghram is new the flaps operational and yet I have not been able to get it to pump water.I've primed it and done everything to no avail.My question is has other owners had problems with their pumps and has anyone changed out to some other arrangement.It seems like quite a vertical lift for the diameter of the hose. Thanks,Pat S/M Shenanigans ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Help !!!! WC Non-Discharge
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Frank:
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The only part on the macerator motor/impeller that requires regular maintenance is the motor shaft seal and this usually requires changing about every two years (per the Jabsco owners manual). If not changed regularly, as it wears sea water seeps by it and into the macerator motor. Then the motor shaft corrodes and seizes. Of course the plugged discharge hose is also a possibility. The fact that the motors don't run and they trip the circuit breaker is a good indication that the motors are seized. Follow the instructions about turning the motor shaft that was posted and that will give you a good idea what you are dealing with. One last thought, did you flush all of the lines (sea chest, to fill pump, to toilet, from toilet to holding tank etc with fresh water prior to letting the boat sit? I flush everything copiously with fresh water and include a half dozen flushes with vinegar water before leaving the boat on the hard. While afloat, weekly flushing of some vinegar water from the heads will help prevent salt buildup in the discharge hoses going to the holding tank. Letting some vinegar water sit in the holding tank after emptying it (with the valve closed so it doesn't all just run through) also will help keep the holding tank valve working freely. Best of luck, Gary
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Re: [Amel] Help !!!! WC Non-Discharge
michael grunstein <mgrunstein2002@...>
When this happened to me, I discovered that the discharge hose was completely blocked by calcification. This meant disassembling the white hose and clearing it by hammering, etc.
Michael, SM2000 #345 Since being lifted back into the water yesterday neither of my two Jabsco electric toilets have operated. The two controlling mcb’s keep tripping and there is no discharge from the bowl due to the non-operation of either of the two macerator/discharge pumps even though the sea water fill pumps which are meant to operate simultaneously with them are operating fine, filling both bowls. Result bowls are filling and not emptying. I have called Jabsco who were unable to help me. As you will all appreciate out there this is a problem that is in need of urgent resolution. Hope someone is able to be of assistance to me. Frank Newton Bootlegger of Mann Amel SM2000 #321
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Re: {Disarmed} Re: [Amel] Help !!!! WC Non-Discharge
John and Anne Hollamby <annejohn@...>
Hello Frank,
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I think Ian is talking about the pumps that supply the flush whereas your problem is pumping out. The pump out pumps may have siezed up whilst the boat was out of the water. To check this remove the plastic cover off the motor and you will see a slot on the outer end of the motor shaft. Try turning this to free the motor. If you succeed in getting the motor to empty the pan you should remove the pump and strip down the working parts as the seals may have gone and possibly allowed salt water to get into the bearing on that end of the motor. A squirt of WD40 should get the motor running again until you can find an electrical motor repair shop who shopuld be able to replace the seals and bearing for less than getting a new unit from Jabsco. Not a nice job but not as nasty as sorting out a manual system. Good flushing! Anne and John, SM319
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From: Ian Shepherd To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: {Disarmed} Re: [Amel] Help !!!! WC Non-Discharge Hi Frank, I have not had this problem on relaunching but I would suspect that you have an airlock in the plumbing to the two pumps located on the forward engine room bulkhead, which I believe are above the water line. You may have to prime the pumps manually. Have you removed the cap to the main inlet strainer and made sure that the water level is nearly to the top and reaching the manifold that goes to the toilet pumps, anchor wash and watermaker? Good luck Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader ----- Original Message ----- From: bootlegger@mailasail.com To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 2:46 PM Subject: [Amel] Help !!!! WC Non-Discharge Since being lifted back into the water yesterday neither of my two Jabsco electric toilets have operated. The two controlling mcb's keep tripping and there is no discharge from the bowl due to the non-operation of either of the two macerator/discharge pumps even though the sea water fill pumps which are meant to operate simultaneously with them are operating fine, filling both bowls. Result bowls are filling and not emptying. I have called Jabsco who were unable to help me. As you will all appreciate out there this is a problem that is in need of urgent resolution. Hope someone is able to be of assistance to me. Frank Newton Bootlegger of Mann Amel SM2000 #321 E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11200 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11200 http://www.pctools.com/uk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1811 - Release Date: 25/11/2008 08:29
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Rép. : [Amel] Mango Hull #1 Restoration
Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...>
Hi David,
There is a rubber band which prevents water from penetrating at the base of the vertical hatch. It is similar to the rubber preventing water to run down a car door window. It is called lip (lèvre in French) by the builder, i bought same from Amel, to replace mine because i could not find this rubber in car parts stores.. As for the maintaining the hatch opened at various height or providing a controlled movement, a simple block of wood exerting a pressure on the wood rail does the job, the pressure may be set by a small knob and screw. It was installed by Amel, but it is easy to make. Serge, Opéra, Mango #51 --- En date de : Mar, 25.11.08, davismel2003 <davis@jenobi.com> a écrit : De: davismel2003 <davis@jenobi.com> Objet: [Amel] Mango Hull #1 Restoration À: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: mardi 25 Novembre 2008, 11 h 35 The AnnieM is in the process of being rebuilt and of course we face many challenges. Today's particular challenge is to try and gather some information on the sliding main hatch blade. Can the downslide be controlled or does it just freefall as ours does at the moment? Best way to secure it, should it have a series of barrel bolt holes in the vertical member? How can it be made watertight? Currently when water gets on the blade it runs in behind the companionway ladder. Mel Davis Kemah, Texas Offrez un compte Flickr Pro à vos amis et à votre famille. http://www.flickr.com/gift/
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Mango Hull #1 Restoration
davismel2003 <davis@...>
The AnnieM is in the process of being rebuilt and of course we face
many challenges. Today's particular challenge is to try and gather some information on the sliding main hatch blade. Can the downslide be controlled or does it just freefall as ours does at the moment? Best way to secure it, should it have a series of barrel bolt holes in the vertical member? How can it be made watertight? Currently when water gets on the blade it runs in behind the companionway ladder. Mel Davis Kemah, Texas
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Re: [Amel] Help !!!! WC Non-Discharge
Ian Shepherd
Hi Frank,
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I have not had this problem on relaunching but I would suspect that you have an airlock in the plumbing to the two pumps located on the forward engine room bulkhead, which I believe are above the water line. You may have to prime the pumps manually. Have you removed the cap to the main inlet strainer and made sure that the water level is nearly to the top and reaching the manifold that goes to the toilet pumps, anchor wash and watermaker? Good luck Ian Shepherd SM 414 Crusader
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From: bootlegger@mailasail.com To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 2:46 PM Subject: [Amel] Help !!!! WC Non-Discharge Since being lifted back into the water yesterday neither of my two Jabsco electric toilets have operated. The two controlling mcb's keep tripping and there is no discharge from the bowl due to the non-operation of either of the two macerator/discharge pumps even though the sea water fill pumps which are meant to operate simultaneously with them are operating fine, filling both bowls. Result bowls are filling and not emptying. I have called Jabsco who were unable to help me. As you will all appreciate out there this is a problem that is in need of urgent resolution. Hope someone is able to be of assistance to me. Frank Newton Bootlegger of Mann Amel SM2000 #321 E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11200 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11200 http://www.pctools.com/uk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Help !!!! WC Non-Discharge
bootlegger@...
Since being lifted back into the water yesterday neither of my two Jabsco
electric toilets have operated. The two controlling mcbs keep tripping and there is no discharge from the bowl due to the non-operation of either of the two macerator/discharge pumps even though the sea water fill pumps which are meant to operate simultaneously with them are operating fine, filling both bowls. Result bowls are filling and not emptying. I have called Jabsco who were unable to help me. As you will all appreciate out there this is a problem that is in need of urgent resolution. Hope someone is able to be of assistance to me. Frank Newton Bootlegger of Mann Amel SM2000 #321
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] bow thruster electrical failure
r.zurkirchen
Hi, I had the same proplem on my Amel.
Finaly it was the switch on the control pannel.I had to take it out and clean the inside contacts. After that it worked. Rudy of SAMANTHA --- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, Richard Piller <richard03801@...> wrote: position. Open the box and clean the contacts. And check that the micro switches are clean and workng. Good luck. Richard and Joan on Challenge in Corseto lower the motor unit, and the control panel red light indicator didoperate. Its as if there is no power getting to either the control panel ornext to trouble shoot the problem. Any ideas?
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