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Re: Possible late Spring Amel Caribbean Rally
Pantaenius Yacht Insurance - Southern Border of Hurricane Zone
I just heard from my Pantaenius Broker who told me last year Pantaenius was considering reestablishing a southern border for the hurricane zone. He wrote:
"The southern border would be south of 10 degrees. So, that is most of Columbia and Panama. Grenada is above 12 so does not qualify. You can get Grenada but will have to be able to do one of our Stormplans and will have a Large named tropical storm deductible."
He didn't say whether this was official yet or in the works.
We're planning on going down the eastern Caribbean this year, and were planning on Grenada for a haul-out during hurricane season, but now I'm wondering where we could go south of 10 degrees? Cartagena is even north of 10.
Any suggestions on marinas/boatyards south of 10 in Columbia? The closer to Grenada the better obviously. We were planning on going from Grenada to Central America anyway.
In the meantime I've asked for a quote from Y-yachts.
Thanks, Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Craig Briggs
i believe that's correct, Bill, just like Jackline, Gowrie and Pantaenius US, if I'm not mistaken. (Although Pantaneius may be closer to the parent.) My understanding, from Al Golden, who started Jackline (IMIS) is that an entrepreneurial broker, who can develop a strong market, can develop their own "brand" product and enter into an exclusive agreement with a major carrier (underwriter/insurer) to offer a product under the broker's product name. The actual insurer is always disclosed (under a few layers of marketing) in the actual policy that is issued. Probably a good scheme for narrow specialty markets like cruising yachts, where brokers like Al Golden and Barry Sullivan are really more knowledgeable than the parent giant insurers. Cheers, Craig ---In amelyachtowners@..., <brouse@...> wrote : Oh, so Y Yacht Insurance is just an insurance brokerage.
All, Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.
FWIW, Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. ---In amelyachtowners@..., <gmshea@...> wrote :
Hi all,
My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y
Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des Iles
Preveza
Colin, I'm just catching the end of the thread on insurance, and after reading Mark's email, it seemed that, being a currently covered by Pantaneous, I better start looking into different coverage (my policy renews
10/1). I goggled y yacht insurance and was directed to Pure. I had received an unsolicitated mailing from Pure not that long ago, and sent the flier into my circular file. Is y yacht some kind of branch of Pure, or am I on the wrong road here? There are a number of brokers near by my home in NY that are brokers listed for Pure. None of them are yacht brokers. Due to my stem fitting issue, and some current electronics upgrades, I put my plan to slide thru the canal and head west off till next year, but the insurance coverage will need to be resolved before that. From Mark's comment, it appears that Pantaneous will be prohibitally expensive. I'm more concerned about liability coverage for all my vessels (5), and I don't care about the bells and whistles, so from your description, a y yacht policy may be a good way for me to go. Thanks, Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 03:46 PM, Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Hi Mark
Yes, Y Yacht. Their CEO (Barry?) still owns an Amel Maramu and has been talking with Amel HQ about bringing out a policy / product specially designed for Amel yacht owners. Nice bloke, who left us with a very positive impression
in many ways concluding a nice personal welcome note as an Amel owner after we joined.
In our case Top Sail had just doubled their quotation on our coverage for Indian Ocean high risk areas, and this was just two weeks before our Velos policy expired, blaming it on the last hurricane season, and informing us
that 5 other insurers went out of business that year and hence they were increasing all new policy quotes substantially.
We were in the process of changing to Topsail, but refuse to be ripped off like that in the 11th hour when they clearly assumed we had no time left to change companies and would just have to pay. Topsail will never
be considered by us again.
Y Yacht policy certainly had less bells and whistles extra benefits than Panteanius and Velos attached to their policy, but this means big savings and we felt all the basics were well covered.
Hope this helps.
Colin & Lauren Streeter SV Island Pearl II, SM #332 Prickly Bay
(changed name of thread)
Hi Colin,
Interesting about insurance. I have spent the past couple of months shopping for insurance to get us through the Panama canal and across the S. Pacific. I have it narrowed down to Y-Yacht
(UK), Novamar (USA) and Top Sail (UK) – We currently have Pantaenius and it is going to be cost prohibitive for us to continue with them. If we decide to stay in the Caribbean, the Pantaenius requirements a virtually impossible to adhere to. Either way we
need to change.
When you say “Y Insurance” do you mean Y-Yacht?
Awesome advice, thanks Mark.
We have been off-line for so long on this last 5700nm crossing from Cape Town so had not yet got time to research the ABC's.
We joined Y Insurance this year who have incredibly good rates compared to Panteanius & Velos, and also include "in water" hurricane cover in the ABC's only hence our decision to go there.
Ps...All who meet us....Please don't disown or mock us when you see our "off-pink" boat stripe and rub rail!! We remain good Amelians... and promise to fix it at the next haulout...... the painter in Durban got the "Amel 54 Dessert Sand" colour we love completely
wrong .....just when a weather window opened up to bolt around to Cape Town..... So we decided to take the weather gap and fix the colour at next haulout.
On 22 Jan.. 2019 16:27, "'Mark Erdos'
mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Colin,
Also consider an extended stay in Aruba during hurricane season. Curacao, not so much. You will love the diving and snorkeling in Bonaire, it is really first rate. If you opt to go to Aruba,
the Renaissance marina is right downtown in the heart of everything and have reasonable monthly rates. You will need to book way ahead since due to many people’s insurances companies making changes, the ABC’s are becoming a destination for those wanting to
stay in the Caribbean.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising -
Santa Marta, Colombia
www.creampuff.us
Island Pearl II just arrived in Caribbean early this morning from Brisbane, Australia via Asia, most Indian Ocean Islands, South Atlantic Islands and Brazil.
In Prickly Bay now, then a slow trip up the Windward then Leewards before BVI's & US BVI's etc then across to Bonaire in late May/June for Hurricane season.
Would love to participate if the dates work out, and/or say HI to any other Amel owners as we travel the Caribbean this season. If you see us anchored near you feel free to come over for a cold beer. We love Amel talk!
Hello Bill,
I think it is a great idea, our Maramu is based in Venezuela, if we get and idea of the overall plan with dates included, we would seriously consider participating. Also the cost would be an important factor, in my opinion. Thanks for promoting such an activity.
Maybe we can convince other Amel owners here to participate.
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Re: The Mechanics of Battery Equalization
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Hi Mark, thanks for that, what Model of Mastervolt charger do you have?
Gary
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] First Ever Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally 2019
Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
Hi Bill
Great work and thank you very much.
I cannot see why this would not work almost as is, or very close to it after comments by others. Anything extra you or others arrange would simply be bonus on top.
Although SV Island Pearl II will be traveling through the Caribbean in the opposite direction, we will make some route adjustments and you can certainly count us in for hopefully at least three of these stops.
Lauren and I very much look forward to meeting you and Judy, as well as many of the good folk we have been talking with on the forum over the past 7 years.
Thank you again for taking the time and effort to get this potential event off the ground.
Colin & Lauren Streeter SV Island Pearl II, SM#332 Prickly Bay, Grenada Sailing Island Pearl Youtube channel
I created a webpage for the First Ever Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally 2019. The webpage is a hidden webpage on the Amel School website. In other words, if you are on the Amel School website, you cannot find it. I put it on the Amel School website because that is the only place I own that I could create a page. If someone else wants to volunteer setting up and maintaining a webpage, it is fine with me.
To do this, I had to assume and guess almost everything. Most of what is on the page should NOT be my decision, but I made the page to get some conversation going with suggestions.
Best,
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
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First Ever Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally 2019
I created a webpage for the First Ever Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally 2019. The webpage is a hidden webpage on the Amel School website. In other words, if you are on the Amel School website, you cannot find it. I put it on the Amel School website because that is the only place I own that I could create a page. If someone else wants to volunteer setting up and maintaining a webpage, it is fine with me.
To do this, I had to assume and guess almost everything. Most of what is on the page should NOT be my decision, but I made the page to get some conversation going with suggestions.
Best,
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The Mechanics of Battery Equalization
Hi Gary, in 2012 we had a near miss lightning surge that wiped out most electronics on Ocean Pearl including the two dolphin chargers. We were cruising in Fiji. As we needed to urgently re establish battery charging I immediately contacted the dolphin HQ and they rapidly arranged transport of new chargers to Fiji and they arrived in a few days. Incredibly they told me that when dolphin chargers needed repair they paid what they called the repatriation cost (transport).to their factory workshop. Because in my case that wasn't practical (urgent time constraint) instead they gave me a massive price discount. That's the sort of service virtually unheard of and understandably I rate them very highly. I got a 50 amp and a 100 amp. Both have equalisation phases. Very happy with the charger performance. Kind Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 27 January 2019 at 02:20 amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:
Hi All:
My 50 Amp Dolphin Battery charger (original Amel) suddenly died upon re-commissioning the boat after our hurricane repairs. Having an electronics background I contacted Dolphin for schematics and a parts list which they promptly provided for this 17 year old product, (wow, I was impressed, and when I have a moment I will post those items in the files section). As usual the failed parts were two capacitors (that seems to be the most common failure mode for all things electric on our boats). The exact part number was available and I obtained those and installed them and voila, the beast is alive. The LED indicators also went at the same time, so I found replacements for those cute little rectangular LEDs, replaced them, and checks show everything is working as prior including the multistage charging etc. Total cost about $16.00 US and a day's labor at my exorbitant shop rate of $0.00 per hour. If you actually paid someone to render this repair it would probably be cheaper to buy a new charger.
My chargers don't have an equalization mode so I have been using a DC power supply to equalize pairs (4 pairs) at 31 volts at 5 amps. This is laborious (2 day) process but forces me to carefully watch the process and monitor temps, water levels, specific gravity etc. I also isolate each pair from the boat during the process to avoid any damage to any boat items.
As I considered a new charger (just in case I couldn't fix the Dolphin 50 A), I found that I couldn't find any marine 28 volt DC, 50-60 amp output, input 220-230 volt, 50-60 hertz chargers that have an equalization mode. Blue Sea makes one but it is a max 40 Amp DC output, Mastervolt and Victron don't have any with an equalization mode (at least that I could discover in their literature). So I have two questions for the group:
1. What charger do you have that has an equalization mode?
2. When you do the equalization, how do you isolate the house bank batteries from the boat? (I know that turning off the two large red handles in the quarter-berth companionway turns off most of the power to the boat, but I wasn't certain if there are "sneak, hot battery bus" type circuits that are wired (e.g. inverters, solar panel regulators etc). The chargers do NOT go thru the large red handled shut off switches.
Your thoughts and experiences would be most welcome.
Sincerely Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico
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Re: The Mechanics of Battery Equalization
Hi Gary,
We have Mastervolt chargers and they do have have an equalization mode. By the discussion in the manual you can dicern that the equalization mode is not intended to be used very often. Below is an excerpt from from the manual:
"An equalizing charge can be necessary after very deep
discharges and/or inadequate charges. This has to be
carried out according to the specifications of the
manufacturer of the batteries.
During equalizing the batteries are brought into the gas
state and is it possible that the permitted load voltages are
exceeded. Therefore appropriate measures must be
taken, e.g. disconnect all loads from the battery and
ventilate the room. For these reasons use of the equalizing
mode should only be executed by trained technical
engineers.
The equalizing mode can only be started when the
Chargemaster is in operation and in Float. This means that
the connection compartment of the Chargemaster must be
opened while connected to the mains and the batteries.
Take adequate measures for protection against short
circuits and electrical shocks.
To start the equalize mode: move DIP switch 4 to the ON
position and back to the OFF position."
Mark Mueller Brass Ring A54
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Enjoy
Porter S/V IBIS A54-152 Excuse the errors. Sent from my IPhone
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] FOR SALE FURUNO system
Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
Hi Jan, what is your new solution? Regards, Alex
Am Do., Jan. 24, 2019 at 17:22 schrieb Teun BAAS teun@... [amelyachtowners] :
I have for sale the complete (AMEL installed on 2009 AMEL 54) FURUNO navigation system: including radar, large monitors for nav station as well as in cockpit etc.
All in good working condition.
System/equipment is in NEW CALEDONIA; I am currently in USA.
If interested pls send Email to: teun at amelit dot net
Best Regards Teun
Jan 24, 2019
15:06:26
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Oh, so Y Yacht Insurance is just an insurance brokerage.
All, Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.
FWIW, Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. ---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :
Hi all,
My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y
Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des Iles
Preveza
Colin, I'm just catching the end of the thread on insurance, and after reading Mark's email, it seemed that, being a currently covered by Pantaneous, I better start looking into different coverage (my policy renews
10/1). I goggled y yacht insurance and was directed to Pure. I had received an unsolicitated mailing from Pure not that long ago, and sent the flier into my circular file. Is y yacht some kind of branch of Pure, or am I on the wrong road here? There are a number of brokers near by my home in NY that are brokers listed for Pure. None of them are yacht brokers. Due to my stem fitting issue, and some current electronics upgrades, I put my plan to slide thru the canal and head west off till next year, but the insurance coverage will need to be resolved before that. From Mark's comment, it appears that Pantaneous will be prohibitally expensive. I'm more concerned about liability coverage for all my vessels (5), and I don't care about the bells and whistles, so from your description, a y yacht policy may be a good way for me to go. Thanks, Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 03:46 PM, Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Hi Mark
Yes, Y Yacht. Their CEO (Barry?) still owns an Amel Maramu and has been talking with Amel HQ about bringing out a policy / product specially designed for Amel yacht owners. Nice bloke, who left us with a very positive impression
in many ways concluding a nice personal welcome note as an Amel owner after we joined.
In our case Top Sail had just doubled their quotation on our coverage for Indian Ocean high risk areas, and this was just two weeks before our Velos policy expired, blaming it on the last hurricane season, and informing us
that 5 other insurers went out of business that year and hence they were increasing all new policy quotes substantially.
We were in the process of changing to Topsail, but refuse to be ripped off like that in the 11th hour when they clearly assumed we had no time left to change companies and would just have to pay. Topsail will never
be considered by us again.
Y Yacht policy certainly had less bells and whistles extra benefits than Panteanius and Velos attached to their policy, but this means big savings and we felt all the basics were well covered.
Hope this helps.
Colin & Lauren Streeter SV Island Pearl II, SM #332 Prickly Bay
(changed name of thread)
Hi Colin,
Interesting about insurance. I have spent the past couple of months shopping for insurance to get us through the Panama canal and across the S. Pacific. I have it narrowed down to Y-Yacht
(UK), Novamar (USA) and Top Sail (UK) – We currently have Pantaenius and it is going to be cost prohibitive for us to continue with them. If we decide to stay in the Caribbean, the Pantaenius requirements a virtually impossible to adhere to. Either way we
need to change.
When you say “Y Insurance” do you mean Y-Yacht?
Awesome advice, thanks Mark.
We have been off-line for so long on this last 5700nm crossing from Cape Town so had not yet got time to research the ABC's.
We joined Y Insurance this year who have incredibly good rates compared to Panteanius & Velos, and also include "in water" hurricane cover in the ABC's only hence our decision to go there.
Ps...All who meet us....Please don't disown or mock us when you see our "off-pink" boat stripe and rub rail!! We remain good Amelians... and promise to fix it at the next haulout...... the painter in Durban got the "Amel 54 Dessert Sand" colour we love completely
wrong .....just when a weather window opened up to bolt around to Cape Town..... So we decided to take the weather gap and fix the colour at next haulout.
On 22 Jan.. 2019 16:27, "'Mark Erdos'
mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Colin,
Also consider an extended stay in Aruba during hurricane season. Curacao, not so much. You will love the diving and snorkeling in Bonaire, it is really first rate. If you opt to go to Aruba,
the Renaissance marina is right downtown in the heart of everything and have reasonable monthly rates. You will need to book way ahead since due to many people’s insurances companies making changes, the ABC’s are becoming a destination for those wanting to
stay in the Caribbean.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising -
Santa Marta, Colombia
www.creampuff.us
Island Pearl II just arrived in Caribbean early this morning from Brisbane, Australia via Asia, most Indian Ocean Islands, South Atlantic Islands and Brazil.
In Prickly Bay now, then a slow trip up the Windward then Leewards before BVI's & US BVI's etc then across to Bonaire in late May/June for Hurricane season.
Would love to participate if the dates work out, and/or say HI to any other Amel owners as we travel the Caribbean this season. If you see us anchored near you feel free to come over for a cold beer. We love Amel talk!
Hello Bill,
I think it is a great idea, our Maramu is based in Venezuela, if we get and idea of the overall plan with dates included, we would seriously consider participating. Also the cost would be an important factor, in my opinion. Thanks for promoting such an activity.
Maybe we can convince other Amel owners here to participate.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Craig Briggs
PS: MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info. ---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote : All, Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.
FWIW, Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. ---In amelyachtowners@..., <gmshea@...> wrote :
Hi all,
My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y
Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des Iles
Preveza
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Craig Briggs
All, Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.
FWIW, Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. ---In amelyachtowners@..., <gmshea@...> wrote :
Hi all,
My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y
Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des Iles
Preveza
From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 8:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance Colin, I'm just catching the end of the thread on insurance, and after reading Mark's email, it seemed that, being a currently covered by Pantaneous, I better start looking into different coverage (my policy renews
10/1). I goggled y yacht insurance and was directed to Pure. I had received an unsolicitated mailing from Pure not that long ago, and sent the flier into my circular file. Is y yacht some kind of branch of Pure, or am I on the wrong road here? There are a number of brokers near by my home in NY that are brokers listed for Pure. None of them are yacht brokers. Due to my stem fitting issue, and some current electronics upgrades, I put my plan to slide thru the canal and head west off till next year, but the insurance coverage will need to be resolved before that. From Mark's comment, it appears that Pantaneous will be prohibitally expensive. I'm more concerned about liability coverage for all my vessels (5), and I don't care about the bells and whistles, so from your description, a y yacht policy may be a good way for me to go. Thanks, Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 03:46 PM, Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Hi Mark
Yes, Y Yacht. Their CEO (Barry?) still owns an Amel Maramu and has been talking with Amel HQ about bringing out a policy / product specially designed for Amel yacht owners. Nice bloke, who left us with a very positive impression
in many ways concluding a nice personal welcome note as an Amel owner after we joined.
In our case Top Sail had just doubled their quotation on our coverage for Indian Ocean high risk areas, and this was just two weeks before our Velos policy expired, blaming it on the last hurricane season, and informing us
that 5 other insurers went out of business that year and hence they were increasing all new policy quotes substantially.
We were in the process of changing to Topsail, but refuse to be ripped off like that in the 11th hour when they clearly assumed we had no time left to change companies and would just have to pay. Topsail will never
be considered by us again.
Y Yacht policy certainly had less bells and whistles extra benefits than Panteanius and Velos attached to their policy, but this means big savings and we felt all the basics were well covered.
Hope this helps.
Colin & Lauren Streeter SV Island Pearl II, SM #332 Prickly Bay
(changed name of thread)
Hi Colin,
Interesting about insurance. I have spent the past couple of months shopping for insurance to get us through the Panama canal and across the S. Pacific. I have it narrowed down to Y-Yacht
(UK), Novamar (USA) and Top Sail (UK) – We currently have Pantaenius and it is going to be cost prohibitive for us to continue with them. If we decide to stay in the Caribbean, the Pantaenius requirements a virtually impossible to adhere to. Either way we
need to change.
When you say “Y Insurance” do you mean Y-Yacht?
Awesome advice, thanks Mark.
We have been off-line for so long on this last 5700nm crossing from Cape Town so had not yet got time to research the ABC's.
We joined Y Insurance this year who have incredibly good rates compared to Panteanius & Velos, and also include "in water" hurricane cover in the ABC's only hence our decision to go there.
Ps...All who meet us....Please don't disown or mock us when you see our "off-pink" boat stripe and rub rail!! We remain good Amelians... and promise to fix it at the next haulout...... the painter in Durban got the "Amel 54 Dessert Sand" colour we love completely
wrong .....just when a weather window opened up to bolt around to Cape Town..... So we decided to take the weather gap and fix the colour at next haulout.
On 22 Jan.. 2019 16:27, "'Mark Erdos'
mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Colin,
Also consider an extended stay in Aruba during hurricane season. Curacao, not so much. You will love the diving and snorkeling in Bonaire, it is really first rate. If you opt to go to Aruba,
the Renaissance marina is right downtown in the heart of everything and have reasonable monthly rates. You will need to book way ahead since due to many people’s insurances companies making changes, the ABC’s are becoming a destination for those wanting to
stay in the Caribbean.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising -
Santa Marta, Colombia
www.creampuff.us
Island Pearl II just arrived in Caribbean early this morning from Brisbane, Australia via Asia, most Indian Ocean Islands, South Atlantic Islands and Brazil.
In Prickly Bay now, then a slow trip up the Windward then Leewards before BVI's & US BVI's etc then across to Bonaire in late May/June for Hurricane season.
Would love to participate if the dates work out, and/or say HI to any other Amel owners as we travel the Caribbean this season. If you see us anchored near you feel free to come over for a cold beer. We love Amel talk!
Hello Bill,
I think it is a great idea, our Maramu is based in Venezuela, if we get and idea of the overall plan with dates included, we would seriously consider participating. Also the cost would be an important factor, in my opinion. Thanks for promoting such an activity.
Maybe we can convince other Amel owners here to participate.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Masse - and Masse + lights
Pat,
The issue with the electric heads causing a MAS check fault is almost always the result of a leaking seal on the Jabsco "Not so Quiet" macerator pump. Seawater migrates through the seal to inside the motor causing an electric connection between either 24VDC positive or negative and the bonding wire which is connected to the motor case. This connection caused by a leak can be erratic or constant. You know that you have a macerator seal failure when you see a slight trikle of water at the base of the toilet. You might want to talk to Christophe Delhaye at Caraibes Electronic at le Marin.
Bill, As you may know I have had my zincs disappearing faster than they should and was hoping to have Amel look into it while in LeMarine. It sounds like from what you said,it’s often the electric heads. Is current finding its way from the motor into the salt water supply hose and into the sea? Would that be only when power is supplied to the motor via the switch? Or is there negative leak that is constant?
Thanks
Pat
SM Shenanigans
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Re: The Mechanics of Battery Equalization
Hi Gary,
Our boat came with an original owner requested, LaRochelle installed modification which included a Heart 24v DC/220 v AC inverter/charger. We have been very happy with it. It is no longer made, but Xantrex ( I believe same company, different name) does have a new 24v/220v model with equalization capabilities. Some of the tech specs are beyond me, but you could start there if future brain surgery on your charger is not successful.
We did equalize our flooded cell batteries early on, but have been using AGM also with good results, although our 20 year old charger does not have a charge setting for AGM.
Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240
St Augustine, Florida
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Hi all,
My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y
Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des Iles
Preveza
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 8:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Colin,
I'm just catching the end of the thread on insurance, and after reading Mark's email, it seemed that, being a currently covered by Pantaneous, I better start looking into different coverage (my policy renews
10/1).
I goggled y yacht insurance and was directed to Pure. I had received an unsolicitated mailing from Pure not that long ago, and sent the flier into my circular file.
Is y yacht some kind of branch of Pure, or am I on the wrong road here? There are a number of brokers near by my home in NY that are brokers listed for Pure. None of them are yacht brokers.
Due to my stem fitting issue, and some current electronics upgrades, I put my plan to slide thru the canal and head west off till next year, but the insurance coverage will need to be resolved before that.
From Mark's comment, it appears that Pantaneous will be prohibitally expensive.
I'm more concerned about liability coverage for all my vessels (5), and I don't care about the bells and whistles, so from your description, a y yacht policy may be a good way for me to go.
Thanks,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 03:46 PM, Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
Hi Mark
Yes, Y Yacht. Their CEO (Barry?) still owns an Amel Maramu and has been talking with Amel HQ about bringing out a policy / product specially designed for Amel yacht owners. Nice bloke, who left us with a very positive impression
in many ways concluding a nice personal welcome note as an Amel owner after we joined.
In our case Top Sail had just doubled their quotation on our coverage for Indian Ocean high risk areas, and this was just two weeks before our Velos policy expired, blaming it on the last hurricane season, and informing us
that 5 other insurers went out of business that year and hence they were increasing all new policy quotes substantially.
We were in the process of changing to Topsail, but refuse to be ripped off like that in the 11th hour when they clearly assumed we had no time left to change companies and would just have to pay. Topsail will never
be considered by us again.
Y Yacht policy certainly had less bells and whistles extra benefits than Panteanius and Velos attached to their policy, but this means big savings and we felt all the basics were well covered.
Hope this helps.
Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, SM #332
Prickly Bay
(changed name of thread)
Hi Colin,
Interesting about insurance. I have spent the past couple of months shopping for insurance to get us through the Panama canal and across the S. Pacific. I have it narrowed down to Y-Yacht
(UK), Novamar (USA) and Top Sail (UK) – We currently have Pantaenius and it is going to be cost prohibitive for us to continue with them. If we decide to stay in the Caribbean, the Pantaenius requirements a virtually impossible to adhere to. Either way we
need to change.
When you say “Y Insurance” do you mean Y-Yacht?
Awesome advice, thanks Mark.
We have been off-line for so long on this last 5700nm crossing from Cape Town so had not yet got time to research the ABC's.
We joined Y Insurance this year who have incredibly good rates compared to Panteanius & Velos, and also include "in water" hurricane cover in the ABC's only hence our decision to go there.
Ps...All who meet us....Please don't disown or mock us when you see our "off-pink" boat stripe and rub rail!! We remain good Amelians... and promise to fix it at the next haulout...... the painter in Durban got the "Amel 54 Dessert Sand" colour we love completely
wrong .....just when a weather window opened up to bolt around to Cape Town..... So we decided to take the weather gap and fix the colour at next haulout.
On 22 Jan.. 2019 16:27, "'Mark Erdos'
mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Colin,
Also consider an extended stay in Aruba during hurricane season. Curacao, not so much. You will love the diving and snorkeling in Bonaire, it is really first rate. If you opt to go to Aruba,
the Renaissance marina is right downtown in the heart of everything and have reasonable monthly rates. You will need to book way ahead since due to many people’s insurances companies making changes, the ABC’s are becoming a destination for those wanting to
stay in the Caribbean.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising -
Santa Marta, Colombia
www.creampuff.us
Island Pearl II just arrived in Caribbean early this morning from Brisbane, Australia via Asia, most Indian Ocean Islands, South Atlantic Islands and Brazil.
In Prickly Bay now, then a slow trip up the Windward then Leewards before BVI's & US BVI's etc then across to Bonaire in late May/June for Hurricane season.
Would love to participate if the dates work out, and/or say HI to any other Amel owners as we travel the Caribbean this season. If you see us anchored near you feel free to come over for a cold beer. We love Amel talk!
Hello Bill,
I think it is a great idea, our Maramu is based in Venezuela, if we get and idea of the overall plan with dates included, we would seriously consider participating. Also the cost would be an important factor, in my opinion. Thanks for promoting such an activity.
Maybe we can convince other Amel owners here to participate.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Possible late Spring Amel Caribbean Rally
Joe,
I had both you and Eric on the master list, but the first time I copied and pasted the list to this thread, I missed both of you. Subsequent postings of the list had both of you.
Hi Bill,
You missed me on the list as well.
Joe CloudStreet SM 2000 #331
I would like to know what you think about having an Amel Caribbean Rally in 2019.
I would be happy to spearhead it and believe I might be able to get some discounts from marinas, marine vendors, and possibly restaurants. If we get enough participants, we might even quality for Tourism Board support from places like the BVI, St. Maarten, Martinique, St. Lucia, and Grenada. I know that the Tourism Boards have participated in past rallies by supplying transportation and tours which promote their islands.
As a participant in the Amel Rendezvous in the Chesapeak, I know how much fun these can be.
This email opens it up for discussion. Let me know if you are interested and/or if you can help put this together. Many of us probably have at least one contact in the Caribbean who could help.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Masse - and Masse + lights
Bill, As you may know I have had my zincs disappearing faster than they should and was hoping to have Amel look into it while in LeMarine. It sounds like from what you said,it’s often the electric heads. Is current finding its way from the motor into the salt water supply hose and into the sea? Would that be only when power is supplied to the motor via the switch? Or is there negative leak that is constant?
Thanks
Pat
SM Shenanigans
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The Mechanics of Battery Equalization
Gary,
I would have guessed that you would be able to perform successful "surgery" on a Dolphin!😉
You're SM probably has a "always on" 24VDC bus that I have seen on all SMs. Remove the back panel (sometimes wood, sometimes leather), which is just above the back of the chart table. I seem to remember it labeled, "24 Permanent." Test it. It will be ON when the battery switches are off. Unless modified, it powers the Sailor 24-12 Converter. I say, "unless modified" because this seems to be the most common place owners and hired technicians connect things. Of course, the battery monitor is always ON.
I know that you know whether there have been any modifications to your SM because you've owned her since new. Other current owners of resale Amels should be very careful to assume that your Amel has not been modified. Any modifications should always be labeled and documented. I believe that you should never wire anything without a label near the ends of each wire, and document it. The same time applies to every hired technician. This is something that few technicians will do without your insistence.
On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 7:20 AM amelliahona < no_reply@... wrote:
Hi All:
My 50 Amp Dolphin Battery charger (original Amel) suddenly died upon re-commissioning the boat after our hurricane repairs. Having an electronics background I contacted Dolphin for schematics and a parts list which they promptly provided for this 17 year old product, (wow, I was impressed, and when I have a moment I will post those items in the files section). As usual the failed parts were two capacitors (that seems to be the most common failure mode for all things electric on our boats). The exact part number was available and I obtained those and installed them and voila, the beast is alive. The LED indicators also went at the same time, so I found replacements for those cute little rectangular LEDs, replaced them, and checks show everything is working as prior including the multistage charging etc. Total cost about $16.00 US and a day's labor at my exorbitant shop rate of $0.00 per hour. If you actually paid someone to render this repair it would probably be cheaper to buy a new charger.
My chargers don't have an equalization mode so I have been using a DC power supply to equalize pairs (4 pairs) at 31 volts at 5 amps. This is laborious (2 day) process but forces me to carefully watch the process and monitor temps, water levels, specific gravity etc. I also isolate each pair from the boat during the process to avoid any damage to any boat items.
As I considered a new charger (just in case I couldn't fix the Dolphin 50 A), I found that I couldn't find any marine 28 volt DC, 50-60 amp output, input 220-230 volt, 50-60 hertz chargers that have an equalization mode. Blue Sea makes one but it is a max 40 Amp DC output, Mastervolt and Victron don't have any with an equalization mode (at least that I could discover in their literature). So I have two questions for the group:
1. What charger do you have that has an equalization mode?
2. When you do the equalization, how do you isolate the house bank batteries from the boat? (I know that turning off the two large red handles in the quarter-berth companionway turns off most of the power to the boat, but I wasn't certain if there are "sneak, hot battery bus" type circuits that are wired (e.g. inverters, solar panel regulators etc). The chargers do NOT go thru the large red handled shut off switches.
Your thoughts and experiences would be most welcome.
Sincerely Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Possible late Spring Amel Caribbean Rally
Hi Bill,
You missed me on the list as well.
Joe CloudStreet SM 2000 #331
I would like to know what you think about having an Amel Caribbean Rally in 2019.
I would be happy to spearhead it and believe I might be able to get some discounts from marinas, marine vendors, and possibly restaurants. If we get enough participants, we might even quality for Tourism Board support from places like the BVI, St. Maarten, Martinique, St. Lucia, and Grenada. I know that the Tourism Boards have participated in past rallies by supplying transportation and tours which promote their islands.
As a participant in the Amel Rendezvous in the Chesapeak, I know how much fun these can be.
This email opens it up for discussion. Let me know if you are interested and/or if you can help put this together. Many of us probably have at least one contact in the Caribbean who could help.
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The Mechanics of Battery Equalization
amelliahona <no_reply@...>
Hi All:
My 50 Amp Dolphin Battery charger (original Amel) suddenly died upon re-commissioning the boat after our hurricane repairs. Having an electronics background I contacted Dolphin for schematics and a parts list which they promptly provided for this 17 year old product, (wow, I was impressed, and when I have a moment I will post those items in the files section). As usual the failed parts were two capacitors (that seems to be the most common failure mode for all things electric on our boats). The exact part number was available and I obtained those and installed them and voila, the beast is alive. The LED indicators also went at the same time, so I found replacements for those cute little rectangular LEDs, replaced them, and checks show everything is working as prior including the multistage charging etc. Total cost about $16.00 US and a day's labor at my exorbitant shop rate of $0.00 per hour. If you actually paid someone to render this repair it would probably be cheaper to buy a new charger.
My chargers don't have an equalization mode so I have been using a DC power supply to equalize pairs (4 pairs) at 31 volts at 5 amps. This is laborious (2 day) process but forces me to carefully watch the process and monitor temps, water levels, specific gravity etc. I also isolate each pair from the boat during the process to avoid any damage to any boat items.
As I considered a new charger (just in case I couldn't fix the Dolphin 50 A), I found that I couldn't find any marine 28 volt DC, 50-60 amp output, input 220-230 volt, 50-60 hertz chargers that have an equalization mode. Blue Sea makes one but it is a max 40 Amp DC output, Mastervolt and Victron don't have any with an equalization mode (at least that I could discover in their literature). So I have two questions for the group:
1. What charger do you have that has an equalization mode?
2. When you do the equalization, how do you isolate the house bank batteries from the boat? (I know that turning off the two large red handles in the quarter-berth companionway turns off most of the power to the boat, but I wasn't certain if there are "sneak, hot battery bus" type circuits that are wired (e.g. inverters, solar panel regulators etc). The chargers do NOT go thru the large red handled shut off switches.
Your thoughts and experiences would be most welcome.
Sincerely Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico
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