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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Thank you Ian, I will hunt out those titles. I fear I have left my run too late for that voyaging. I will have to enjoy it vicariously through others stories. Kind Regards and good luck with saving the planet, its getting a bit cluttered in that zone at the moment Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 29 January 2019 at 11:33 "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Mark, as I said, I may have the wrong end of the stick, it appears I did. Kind Regards Danny
On 29 January 2019 at 09:45 "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: The Mechanics of Battery Equalization
I guess it's for liability reasons that many chargers don't have equalization modes, and that the ones that do have equalization mode are so anxious about it. It's a given that most boats will discharge significantly at night with our redundant refrigerators, and we rarely will charge back up to 100% of capacity because of the inefficiencies of running the generator to get that last few percent of capacity into the batteries. Hence the need for regularly scheduled equalization. It's really important to get the battery manufacturer's recommendations for abs, float, and equalization voltages. If you're charging at less that the recommended voltages, you will have to equalize more often. My new batteries (130 AHr Crown Marine deep cycle) require 29v Abs, and 31V equalization for 3 hours. That information was hard to find...not on line, and the engineer I spoke to at Crown had to call me back because he couldn't find it easily. I've added solar
recently (now up to 900 Watts) and when it's sunny, the batteries get
pretty close to 100%, but not all the way. On cloudy days I have to run
the generator for an hour or so every morning. Danny, Other than the 24-12VDC "permanent" converter, Kristy has a 24-110AC inverter that is not on the battery switch. The solar panels/controllers are also connected on the battery side of the switches with the chargers. I was told by the guys who installed my solar/controllers that equalization voltages wouldn't damage them. Kent & Iris SM 243 Kristy
From: "brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 12:22 PM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: The Mechanics of Battery Equalization Hi Gary, We have Mastervolt chargers and they do have have an equalization mode. By the discussion in the manual you can dicern that the equalization mode is not intended to be used very often. Below is an excerpt from from the manual: "An equalizing charge can be necessary after very deep discharges and/or inadequate charges. This has to be carried out according to the specifications of the manufacturer of the batteries. During equalizing the batteries are brought into the gas state and is it possible that the permitted load voltages are exceeded. Therefore appropriate measures must be taken, e.g. disconnect all loads from the battery and ventilate the room. For these reasons use of the equalizing mode should only be executed by trained technical engineers. The equalizing mode can only be started when the Chargemaster is in operation and in Float. This means that the connection compartment of the Chargemaster must be opened while connected to the mains and the batteries. Take adequate measures for protection against short circuits and electrical shocks. To start the equalize mode: move DIP switch 4 to the ON position and back to the OFF position." Mark Mueller Brass Ring A54
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Furler motors & Headsail - Santorin
Hi John. I started a new topic for you as you had buried your post in a thread about insurance which is quite confusing. It may be more helpful if you would describe what problem you have that suggests you want to replace your original furler motors, or are you looking for spares, or what? Usually, the reduction gears are the problem, not the motors and if you tell us bit more about your problem we may be able to offer more helpful suggestions. As to your headsail, again, some more information about what you want to do would help you to get more useful replies. Have you approached a sailmaker about this and have a question, or what? Best regards, Craig Briggs, SN68 - Sangaris, Ft Pierce, Florida ---In amelyachtowners@..., <johnhayes862@...> wrote : Happy new year one and all Anyone out there replaced the original furler motors in past and head sail on a Santorini and if so be really great full to learn the name and spec of replacement units Best John Hayes NGA Waka SN 41 New Zealand
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The Mechanics of Battery Equalization
Hi Danny, I have a Victron Skylla-i 24v/80A charger for the last 3 years. So far very happy with it. It has equalization cycles that can be automatic, or only manual. I chose the manual because I want to know when the voltages are over 30 as recommended by my battery company. There are several preset modes depending on your battery type, and an adjustable setting where you can set your Abs and Float voltages. On that setting, the equalization voltage is Abs Voltage plus 3.6V, limited by Amperage to 25% of 80 Amp max with my charger (or how ever you set the max), or 4 hours. So if Amperage reaches 20A during equaliation, the voltage will drop to the point that gives 20A charging. Hope that helps, Kent & Iris SM 243 Kristy Still in Ft Lauderdale waiting for faucet parts...Ugh.
From: amelliahona To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 8:20 AM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The Mechanics of Battery Equalization Hi All: My 50 Amp Dolphin Battery charger (original Amel) suddenly died upon re-commissioning the boat after our hurricane repairs. Having an electronics background I contacted Dolphin for schematics and a parts list which they promptly provided for this 17 year old product, (wow, I was impressed, and when I have a moment I will post those items in the files section). As usual the failed parts were two capacitors (that seems to be the most common failure mode for all things electric on our boats). The exact part number was available and I obtained those and installed them and voila, the beast is alive. The LED indicators also went at the same time, so I found replacements for those cute little rectangular LEDs, replaced them, and checks show everything is working as prior including the multistage charging etc. Total cost about $16.00 US and a day's labor at my exorbitant shop rate of $0.00 per hour. If you actually paid someone to render this repair it would probably be cheaper to buy a new charger. My chargers don't have an equalization mode so I have been using a DC power supply to equalize pairs (4 pairs) at 31 volts at 5 amps. This is laborious (2 day) process but forces me to carefully watch the process and monitor temps, water levels, specific gravity etc. I also isolate each pair from the boat during the process to avoid any damage to any boat items. As I considered a new charger (just in case I couldn't fix the Dolphin 50 A), I found that I couldn't find any marine 28 volt DC, 50-60 amp output, input 220-230 volt, 50-60 hertz chargers that have an equalization mode. Blue Sea makes one but it is a max 40 Amp DC output, Mastervolt and Victron don't have any with an equalization mode (at least that I could discover in their literature). So I have two questions for the group: 1. What charger do you have that has an equalization mode? 2. When you do the equalization, how do you isolate the house bank batteries from the boat? (I know that turning off the two large red handles in the quarter-berth companionway turns off most of the power to the boat, but I wasn't certain if there are "sneak, hot battery bus" type circuits that are wired (e.g. inverters, solar panel regulators etc). The chargers do NOT go thru the large red handled shut off switches. Your thoughts and experiences would be most welcome. Sincerely Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi Danny,
We were there in the pre-blog era. I am in the process of writing up the 7 years we spent sailing around South America but I am heavily engaged in a bio tech start up which all came about when I was using what was then the only cruising guide to Chile written by Ian and Maggy Staples in the late 90's . It became the RCC guide to Chilean waters. By 2003 they had sold their boat and bought the most beautiful farm in the Chilean lake district. Arising out of the production of honey on his farm Ian discovered a technology now known as Reactive Oxygen. One thing led to another and to www.matokeholdings.com which is severely curtailing my sailing--but we are going to save the world! One of the great benefits of the sailing world is not only that it takes you to fascinating places but you also meet fascinating people who you might never meet at your golf club. They change your life.
Good though Ian and Maggy's guide is, the one book you should read is the Patagonia & Tierra del Fuego Nautical guide by Mariolina Rolfo and Giorgio Adrizzi. They bought, second hand, the very first Amel Sharki ( 16 coats of varnish!) and ended up spending 16 years in Chile, mainly in the Beagle. It is the most comprehensive book on sailing conditions, anchorages, wild life, history etc etc. We became good friends and even contributed in a tiny way to their second edition. I defy any Amel owner to read that book and not want to sail there. Even if you don't sail there it makes fascinating reading. We anchored in more than 70 remote anchorages otherwise unknown to us relying entirely on their guide.
Also read Hal Roth's excellent book Two against the Horn. I first read it about 35 years ago and it contains a sentence to the effect that the most challenging place to take a yacht is the Chilean canales. That one sentence stood as a challenge to me during all the years when I was working until Judy said to me " if you don't do something about your dream you're going to be a wannabe Chile man ". That was it--how can a man deny his wife?
Very few boats go down to the south and most that do are passage making east to west and tend to hurry through. If you do go down there be ready to spend at least 2 seasons exploring what is one of the most remarkable places to sail.
Fair winds--you will need them in that part of the world .
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 28 January 2019 18:24:48 To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama? Hi Ian and Judy, I would love to read about all your experiences. Do you have some blogs you can share directly with me, guess we shouldn't load the forum. Or write a book.(seriously) Its an area I have never thought of as a cruisers option and I am fascinated. Kind Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl On 29 January 2019 at 02:10 "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Yes, Mark & Danny. In fact the insurance company was given a copy of the US Coast Guard Documentation which clearly listed our home address in Texas and our Hailing Port (homeport) as St Thomas. The insurance company explained it to me this way: US waters are the most expensive for insurance companies because of the high rate of lawsuits in US Courts and the high rate of damages awarded. Somehow insurance companies place important value on homeport. I was able to buy French insurance with a "homeport" of St. Thomas West Indies (which is a US Territory) and a US registered vessel with a US address. It was the exception to the rule for that insurance company. BTW, that company is no longer in business.
On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 3:46 PM 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
JOHN HAYES
Happy new year one and all
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Anyone out there replaced the original furler motors in past and head sail on a Santorini and if so be really great full to learn the name and spec of replacement units Best John Hayes NGA Waka SN 41 New Zealand
On 29/01/2019, at 7:35 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
James Cromie
Thank you all for your responses to my inquiry. Judy - I will be in touch! James
On Jan 28, 2019 8:10 AM, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Danny,
I am not suggesting any funny business. i.e. When Bill Rouse owned BeBe he was able to get an underwriter in the EU because the vessel was registered in the USVI. The same insurance company said they could not write in the USA. We have addresses in the USA, UK and Panama. We do not live at any of them. Ownership nationality has little to do with the policy. We are always very clear to explain in writing to the insurance company we reside on the vessel and the address given is for mailing purposes only. We have had one insurance company accept the marina as our address without issue. This is common practice for people residing on boats. And, the insurance company expects for the vessel to move within the limits of the policy.
In working with the independent Novamar agent, he was able to get Novamar to wave any requirements for a survey or rig inspection. This is NOT concealing anything. It is called negotiating the policy.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 2:36 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Hi Mark, all insurance policies I have seen require nothing to be concealed or information withheld on pain of cancellation. I may have the wrong end of the stick but it seems ownership nationality and something to do with the rig may be concealed in what you are suggesting. Kind Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Mark, all insurance policies I have seen require nothing to be concealed or information withheld on pain of cancellation. I may have the wrong end of the stick but it seems ownership nationality and something to do with the rig may be concealed in what you are suggesting. Kind Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 29 January 2019 at 03:39 "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Ian and Judy, I would love to read about all your experiences. Do you have some blogs you can share directly with me, guess we shouldn't load the forum. Or write a book.(seriously) Its an area I have never thought of as a cruisers option and I am fascinated. Kind Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 29 January 2019 at 02:10 "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Thanks, Mark, much appreciated. My Pantaenius comes up in April and is only $2200 for east coast US and Bahamas, so we'll likely renew if it doesn't change much. Next year perhaps I'll change, so would appreciate the contact. My email is sangaris at aol dot com.
Craig ---In amelyachtowners@..., <mcerdos@...> wrote : Craig,
We were able to get a quote from Y-Yacht because we are BVI flagged and our vessel is corporate owned in the BVI. I also believe they will underwrite a vessel in the USVI with a USVI address. Eric from Kimberlite has a contact who can do the address piece. The change of port is one piece of paper filed with USCG documentation.
I also have a really good independent broker who writes policies for Novamar USA, an “A” rated company with a lot of recommendations from members of the OCC. The price is the same as going to Novamar directly. However, he has a direct line to the underwriters and can help work around some issues such as survey or age of rigger etc. I am reluctant to post his contact info publically. Let me know if you’d like it.
Hope this helps.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
I just heard back from Y Yacht Insurance - they cannot cover US yachts at this time, but are making enquires and hope to be able to do so next year.
Craig Briggs SN68
PS: MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info.
All, Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.
FWIW, Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear.
Hi all, My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y
Greg Shea Sharki 133 Cap des Iles Preveza
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: First Ever Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally 2019
Hi Bill, much to my surprise, I was able to get somewhere with just my iPad. I’ve created a form to allow people to indicate their preferences and allow you to track and rank them. I can blow away any/all of the responses so go ahead and play with it and give me any suggestions. I will also make you a collaborator but for the moment it probably will be easier if you tell me what to add/modify or delete. I wasn’t sure if you wanted to track guests and if so at each location (might help with getting discounts or reservations) so I’ve left that out for now but could easily add that. Here is the form:
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You can also see the responses either summarized or by individual here: It probably makes sense to throw a few test responses in there to give you an idea of how helpful each question is to allow you to plan the agenda. When you’re done playing with it and I’ve made all the changes, I’ll blow away all of our test responses and then we can publish the survey and the responses on your webpage. I will look to see if there is some way I can hide the email addresses but I think it’s safe enough hidden away three layers deep on your school site. Finally, these responses are also stored on a separate google spreadsheet so that you can manipulate the data (eg take the email addresses and send updates outside the forum). Let me know what you think. Brent 6S+
On Jan 27, 2019, at 1:56 PM, James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
Craig,
We were able to get a quote from Y-Yacht because we are BVI flagged and our vessel is corporate owned in the BVI. I also believe they will underwrite a vessel in the USVI with a USVI address. Eric from Kimberlite has a contact who can do the address piece. The change of port is one piece of paper filed with USCG documentation.
I also have a really good independent broker who writes policies for Novamar USA, an “A” rated company with a lot of recommendations from members of the OCC. The price is the same as going to Novamar directly. However, he has a direct line to the underwriters and can help work around some issues such as survey or age of rigger etc. I am reluctant to post his contact info publically. Let me know if you’d like it.
Hope this helps.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia www.creampuff.us
From:
amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
I just heard back from Y Yacht Insurance - they cannot cover US yachts at this time, but are making enquires and hope to be able to do so next year.
Craig Briggs SN68
PS: MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info.
All, Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.
FWIW, Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear.
Hi all, My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y
Greg Shea Sharki 133 Cap des Iles Preveza
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance
I just heard back from Y Yacht Insurance - they cannot cover US yachts at this time, but are making enquires and hope to be able to do so next year.
Craig Briggs SN68 ---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote : PS: MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info. ---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote : All, Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company. FWIW, Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. ---In amelyachtowners@..., <gmshea@...> wrote :
Hi all,
My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y Greg Shea Sharki 133 Cap des Iles Preveza
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Hi James,
We sailed from Panama to Chile in 2002/3 and then spent two seasons in Chile, mainly in and around the Beagle Channel. Can't say enough about it. The best sailing experiences in 40 years of sailing and a Supermaramu is the perfect boat for those conditions.
The standard passage is to leave Panama and head southwest in a wide arc and come back east around about Chiloe. However, friends of ours encouraged us to take the coastal route, against the prevailing wind and Humboldt current. Neither is a problem until
you get to about 40s and even then you just pick your weather. We made about 90 miles good each day and were the only yacht to make the whole passage that year. Panama to Salinas in Ecuador we largely made under engine. It's doldrums country, flat calm for
6 days. We put Pen Azen ashore in Ecuador for 5 months while we backpacked around the country. Then to Peru where we anchored off Callao for a month and then we coast hopped . Very few ports, but every now and then you come across a little north facing bay
where the Clube de Yates ( whose members generally only have little motor boats) will give you a wonderful welcome.
I could write reams about our experiences. Easier to chat if you have lots of questions. Email me on penazen@... if you would like to do so and we can fix a time. We are in London so GMT at the moment.
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece
From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 27 January 2019 19:25
To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama? Hello everyone - I'm interested to know if there are any Amel owners who have sailed to Southern Chile from Panama along the Pacific coast of South America. If so, I'd love to hear about your experience.
Many thanks! -James Soteria #347
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Possible late Spring Amel Caribbean Rally - INSURANCE
Duane Siegfri
Mark,
Thanks for the informative reply! I thought I attached this to the insurance thread, not sure how it got on the Rally thread... I have not heard of Novamar before, please do send me your contacts information. I'm not happy about the 10 degree hurricane border from Pantaenius. Grenada or the ABC's seem to be a better destination for me. Our rigging is original (14 years old now) so that's going to be an issue, but I'm planning on a replacement this year anyway. Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: 1st UPDATE - First Ever Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally 2019
greatketch@...
I am not at all sure how this fits into the calculations. We’d be interested, but…
We have no idea where we will be in that time frame. Right now we are in full cruising mode, which means we don’t really have a plan—past the next weather front. If we do cross paths with the rally, at that time of year we would certainly be starting to head north, so would not be rallying to the south, just rendezvousing… I guess that puts us in the “interested, but unreliable” category! Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Highborne Cay, Bahamas
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: The Mechanics of Battery Equalization
eric freedman
Hi Bill, Depending on how the wiring of the charger is done. It is probably quite simple to put a couple of diodes in the wires going to the batteries to eliminate this problem. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 4:59 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: The Mechanics of Battery Equalization
Mark,
Be careful. The battery chargers that charge 2 different voltage banks share the same negative between the two. This will result in the negative of the starting battery being connected to the negative of the house bank.
I think you better check with someone you trust that has knowledge of Amels and DC Voltage before you go in this direction.
On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 3:28 PM brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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