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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furler motors & Headsail - Santorin

JOHN HAYES
 

Thanks very much Trevor


On 30/01/2019, at 6:40 AM, Trevor Fortner tfortner1975@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi John,

On my SN27, the motors are stamped 12v 300w.  Was difficult to notice the stamp at first.  
Hope this helps somewhat.

Trevor
Currently landbound

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 2:23 AM John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks very much Craig 


I think the mast furling motor is something to do with the armature 

Also the motor has 4 wires coming from it and an auto electrician is telling me there should be 3

I’m reluctAnt to let him fiddle further as I’m brooding that dropping from 4 to 3 may have an impact on the relays

The problem with the furler is water entry.  I guess my fault

I’ve replaced the mast and boom end gearboxes son after buying the boat and rebuilt the gears for the furler

Seemed strange both motors got indigestion on the same day though can see for different reasons

Anyhow now travelling to Wellington where I either hope to get the armature rewound or repaired and buy a new furler motor (S)

But I have no idea of brand or motor spec to look for and I was hoping someone who had been down the road before me may have helped with advice to cut a few corners. I’ve searched papers on the boat but no joy .... all I know as mine are 12 not not 24 volts

Best

John


On 29/01/2019, at 2:48 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi John.

I started a new topic for you as you had buried your post in a thread about insurance which is quite confusing.


It may be more helpful if you would describe what problem you have that suggests you want to replace your original furler motors, or are you looking for spares, or what?  Usually, the reduction gears are the problem, not the motors and if you tell us bit more about your problem we may be able to offer more helpful suggestions.  As to your headsail, again, some more information about what you want to do would help you to get more useful replies. Have you approached a sailmaker about this and have a question, or what?


Best regards,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - Sangaris, Ft Pierce, Florida


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Happy new year one and all

Anyone out there replaced the original furler motors in past and head sail on a Santorini and if so be really great full to learn the name and spec of replacement units

Best 

John Hayes 
NGA Waka
SN 41

New Zealand


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furler motors & Headsail - Santorin

tfortner1975
 

Hi John,

On my SN27, the motors are stamped 12v 300w.  Was difficult to notice the stamp at first.  
Hope this helps somewhat.

Trevor
Currently landbound

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 2:23 AM John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks very much Craig 


I think the mast furling motor is something to do with the armature 

Also the motor has 4 wires coming from it and an auto electrician is telling me there should be 3

I’m reluctAnt to let him fiddle further as I’m brooding that dropping from 4 to 3 may have an impact on the relays

The problem with the furler is water entry.  I guess my fault

I’ve replaced the mast and boom end gearboxes son after buying the boat and rebuilt the gears for the furler

Seemed strange both motors got indigestion on the same day though can see for different reasons

Anyhow now travelling to Wellington where I either hope to get the armature rewound or repaired and buy a new furler motor (S)

But I have no idea of brand or motor spec to look for and I was hoping someone who had been down the road before me may have helped with advice to cut a few corners. I’ve searched papers on the boat but no joy .... all I know as mine are 12 not not 24 volts

Best

John


On 29/01/2019, at 2:48 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi John.

I started a new topic for you as you had buried your post in a thread about insurance which is quite confusing.


It may be more helpful if you would describe what problem you have that suggests you want to replace your original furler motors, or are you looking for spares, or what?  Usually, the reduction gears are the problem, not the motors and if you tell us bit more about your problem we may be able to offer more helpful suggestions.  As to your headsail, again, some more information about what you want to do would help you to get more useful replies. Have you approached a sailmaker about this and have a question, or what?


Best regards,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - Sangaris, Ft Pierce, Florida


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Happy new year one and all

Anyone out there replaced the original furler motors in past and head sail on a Santorini and if so be really great full to learn the name and spec of replacement units

Best 

John Hayes 
NGA Waka
SN 41

New Zealand


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The Mechanics of Battery Equalization

karkauai
 

Oops, I answered the wrong Guru.  Seems like both of you are waaay ahead of me when it comes to fixing your boats.  My last post was more for general info for folks who are new to cruising, batteries, sulfation, etc...like I was a few years ago and still feel like I am too often.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jan 28, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,

thanks but your reply should have been addressed to Gary.

Cheers

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 14:35 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Danny,
I have a Victron Skylla-i 24v/80A charger for the last 3 years.  So far very happy with it.  It has equalization cycles that can be automatic, or only manual. I chose the manual because I want to know when the voltages are over 30 as recommended by my battery company.  There are several preset modes depending on your battery type, and an adjustable setting where you can set your Abs and Float voltages.  On that setting, the equalization voltage is Abs Voltage plus 3.6V, limited by Amperage to 25% of 80 Amp max with my charger (or how ever you set the max), or 4 hours.  So if Amperage reaches 20A during equaliation, the voltage will drop to the point that gives 20A charging.

Hope that helps,
Kent & Iris
SM 243
Kristy
Still in Ft Lauderdale waiting for faucet parts...Ugh.


From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 8:20 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The Mechanics of Battery Equalization

 
 
Hi All:

My 50 Amp Dolphin Battery charger (original Amel) suddenly died upon re-commissioning the boat after our hurricane repairs.  Having an electronics background I contacted Dolphin for schematics and a parts list which they promptly provided for this 17 year old product, (wow, I was impressed, and when I have a moment I will post those items in the files section).  As usual the failed parts were two capacitors (that seems to be the most common failure mode for all things electric on our boats).  The exact part number was available and I obtained those and installed them and voila, the beast is alive.  The LED indicators also went at the same time, so I found replacements for those cute little rectangular LEDs, replaced them, and checks show everything is working as prior including the multistage charging etc.  Total cost about $16.00 US and a day's labor at my exorbitant shop rate of $0.00 per hour.  If you actually paid someone to render this repair it would probably be cheaper to buy a new charger.

My chargers don't have an equalization mode so I have been using a DC power supply to equalize pairs (4 pairs) at 31 volts at 5 amps.  This is laborious (2 day) process but forces me to carefully watch the process and monitor temps, water levels, specific gravity etc.  I also isolate each pair from the boat during the process to avoid any damage to any boat items. 

As I considered a new charger (just in case I couldn't fix the Dolphin 50 A), I found that I couldn't find any marine 28 volt DC, 50-60 amp output, input 220-230 volt, 50-60 hertz chargers that have an equalization mode.  Blue Sea makes one but it is a max 40 Amp DC output,  Mastervolt and Victron don't have any with an equalization mode (at least that I could discover in their literature).  So I have two questions for the group:

1.  What charger do you have that has an equalization mode?  

2.  When you do the equalization, how do you isolate the house bank batteries from the boat? (I know that turning off the two large red handles in the quarter-berth companionway turns off most of the power to the boat, but I wasn't certain if there are "sneak, hot battery bus" type circuits that are wired (e.g. inverters, solar panel regulators etc).  The chargers do NOT go thru the large red handled shut off switches.  

Your thoughts and experiences would be most welcome. 

Sincerely 
Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico
 


 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furler motors & Headsail - Santorin

Craig Briggs
 

Hi John,

Before you dismiss your auto electrician, tell him this motor is wired to run either forward or backward, which, of course, he would never have seen on an automobile, and hence, four wires. That may give him an "aha moment" and he can get on with repairs and understand he cannot go to 3 wires.

But, before you proceed, did you test the motor yourself by putting 12v directly to the motor wires? Did you test to be sure you've got 12v at the feed wires after disconnecting the motors and operating the furler switches. 

I ask because the the diagnosis of needing a rewind on both motors is, well, "unique" at best. It would be very, very unlikely that both motors failed the same day due to water intrusion. It is very, very likely that you've got a different problem. Keep checking before you go to the expense of new equipment and let us know what you find. As our Yogi Berra said, "You can observe a lot by looking around."

If it comes to buying replacements, I don't know the original spec (I just fix the old ;-), but your auto mechanic should be able to size an equivalent replacement - these are just off-the-shelf items, not unique Amel stuff.

Hope this helps a bit,
Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68



---In amelyachtowners@..., <johnhayes862@...> wrote :

Thanks very much Craig 

I think the mast furling motor is something to do with the armature 

Also the motor has 4 wires coming from it and an auto electrician is telling me there should be 3

I’m reluctAnt to let him fiddle further as I’m brooding that dropping from 4 to 3 may have an impact on the relays

The problem with the furler is water entry.  I guess my fault

I’ve replaced the mast and boom end gearboxes son after buying the boat and rebuilt the gears for the furler

Seemed strange both motors got indigestion on the same day though can see for different reasons

Anyhow now travelling to Wellington where I either hope to get the armature rewound or repaired and buy a new furler motor (S)

But I have no idea of brand or motor spec to look for and I was hoping someone who had been down the road before me may have helped with advice to cut a few corners. I’ve searched papers on the boat but no joy .... all I know as mine are 12 not not 24 volts

Best

John


On 29/01/2019, at 2:48 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi John.

I started a new topic for you as you had buried your post in a thread about insurance which is quite confusing.


It may be more helpful if you would describe what problem you have that suggests you want to replace your original furler motors, or are you looking for spares, or what?  Usually, the reduction gears are the problem, not the motors and if you tell us bit more about your problem we may be able to offer more helpful suggestions.  As to your headsail, again, some more information about what you want to do would help you to get more useful replies. Have you approached a sailmaker about this and have a question, or what?


Best regards,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - Sangaris, Ft Pierce, Florida


---In amelyachtowners@..., <johnhayes862@...> wrote :

Happy new year one and all

Anyone out there replaced the original furler motors in past and head sail on a Santorini and if so be really great full to learn the name and spec of replacement units

Best 

John Hayes 
NGA Waka
SN 41

New Zealand


BAMAR furlers for sale

Teun BAAS
 

I have for sale the genoa and the stay sail electric BAMAR furlers; complete with electronic boxes from my 2009 A54.

From what I see from documentation on the boat the original BAMAR furlers installed in May 2009 were replaced by the next generation BAMAR furlers in 2014/2015.

 

I used the special BAMAR promotion and replaced both furlers with the latest generation in Q3 2018.

 

The genoa furler is working perfectly; however in the last days of sailing prior to the change over to the new furlers the stay sail furler developed a problem – I am sure it is the rubber belt and I believe I have a spare on board but never bothered to fix it as I replaced both systems.

 

Both furlers are currently in NOUMEA, NEW CALEDONIA.

I am currently in USA and will be back on the boat last week February 2019.

 

If interested pls Email me: teun at amelit dot net

 

Best Regards Teun BAAS

AMELIT A 54 - #128

Jan 29, 2019   05:49:36

 

 

 

 


Propeler shaft

maggouilloux <maggouilloux@...>
 

Good morning,

I'm the owner from Masim's, a Mango from 1988.

I'have a problem with my propeler shaft and my propeler. I have To change them. Maybe somebody on the Amel group can help me : what are the difficulties ? and maybe somebody knows the reference of the Mango's propeler. 

We are actually in Panama. 

Thanks a lot

Eric 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Alan,

 Forgive my ignorance, but can you explain " morph" ?

Opua sounds more comfortable than England right now, though I hope you haven't got the 46 c that the Aussies have !

 Ian


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 29 January 2019 09:59
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
 


Hi Ian and Judy....

you need to morph your email address ...to xxx at yyy dot com ....or such like....
I'm interested to hear your tales as well.
Cheers

Alan
 Elyse SM437
Sweltering in Opua !!




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Ian and Judy....

you need to morph your email address ...to xxx at yyy dot com ....or such like....
I'm interested to hear your tales as well.
Cheers

Alan
 Elyse SM437
Sweltering in Opua !!


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Kent and Danny,

Would be delighted to pass on our experiences. Rather than clog up this website if you can send me your own email addresses ( to   penazen@...) I will write up a number of points that you might find useful.  Happy to chat on whatsapp as well. We're in London and not afloat again until the end of March.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 29 January 2019 04:27
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
 


I’d like to hear more, too, Ian.  We’re headed that way and thought we might leave Kristy in Ecuador and do some land travel before heading West.

Kent & Iris
SM 243
Kristy

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jan 28, 2019, at 1:24 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ian and Judy,

I would love to read about all your experiences. Do you have some blogs you can share directly with me, guess we shouldn't load the forum. Or write a book.(seriously)  Its an area I have never thought of as a cruisers option and I am fascinated.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 02:10 "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi James,

We sailed from Panama to Chile in 2002/3 and then spent two seasons in Chile, mainly in and around the Beagle Channel.  Can't say enough about it. The best sailing experiences in 40 years of sailing and a Supermaramu is the perfect boat for those conditions.

The standard passage is to leave Panama and head  southwest in a wide arc and come back east around about Chiloe. However, friends of ours encouraged us to take the coastal route, against the prevailing wind and Humboldt current. Neither is a problem until you get to about 40s and even then you just pick your weather. We made about 90 miles good each day and were the only yacht to make the whole passage that year. Panama to Salinas in Ecuador we largely made under engine. It's doldrums country, flat calm for 6 days. We put Pen Azen ashore in Ecuador for 5 months while we backpacked around the country. Then to Peru where we anchored off Callao for a month and then we coast hopped . Very few ports, but every now and then you come across a little north facing bay where the Clube de Yates ( whose members  generally only have little motor boats) will give you a wonderful welcome.

 I could write reams about our experiences. Easier to chat if you have lots of questions. Email me on penazen@... if you would like to do so and we can fix a time. We are in London so GMT at the moment.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece
 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 27 January 2019 19:25
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
 


Hello everyone - 

I'm interested to know if there are any Amel owners who have sailed to Southern Chile from Panama along the Pacific coast of South America.  If so, I'd love to hear about your experience.   


Many thanks!

-James

Soteria

#347



 

 


 


 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?

karkauai
 

I’d like to hear more, too, Ian.  We’re headed that way and thought we might leave Kristy in Ecuador and do some land travel before heading West.

Kent & Iris
SM 243
Kristy

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jan 28, 2019, at 1:24 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ian and Judy,

I would love to read about all your experiences. Do you have some blogs you can share directly with me, guess we shouldn't load the forum. Or write a book.(seriously)  Its an area I have never thought of as a cruisers option and I am fascinated.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 02:10 "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi James,

We sailed from Panama to Chile in 2002/3 and then spent two seasons in Chile, mainly in and around the Beagle Channel.  Can't say enough about it. The best sailing experiences in 40 years of sailing and a Supermaramu is the perfect boat for those conditions.

The standard passage is to leave Panama and head  southwest in a wide arc and come back east around about Chiloe. However, friends of ours encouraged us to take the coastal route, against the prevailing wind and Humboldt current. Neither is a problem until you get to about 40s and even then you just pick your weather. We made about 90 miles good each day and were the only yacht to make the whole passage that year. Panama to Salinas in Ecuador we largely made under engine. It's doldrums country, flat calm for 6 days. We put Pen Azen ashore in Ecuador for 5 months while we backpacked around the country. Then to Peru where we anchored off Callao for a month and then we coast hopped . Very few ports, but every now and then you come across a little north facing bay where the Clube de Yates ( whose members  generally only have little motor boats) will give you a wonderful welcome.

 I could write reams about our experiences. Easier to chat if you have lots of questions. Email me on penazen@... if you would like to do so and we can fix a time. We are in London so GMT at the moment.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece
 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 27 January 2019 19:25
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
 


Hello everyone - 

I'm interested to know if there are any Amel owners who have sailed to Southern Chile from Panama along the Pacific coast of South America.  If so, I'd love to hear about your experience.   


Many thanks!

-James

Soteria

#347



 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furler motors & Headsail - Santorin

JOHN HAYES
 

Thanks very much Craig 

I think the mast furling motor is something to do with the armature 

Also the motor has 4 wires coming from it and an auto electrician is telling me there should be 3

I’m reluctAnt to let him fiddle further as I’m brooding that dropping from 4 to 3 may have an impact on the relays

The problem with the furler is water entry.  I guess my fault

I’ve replaced the mast and boom end gearboxes son after buying the boat and rebuilt the gears for the furler

Seemed strange both motors got indigestion on the same day though can see for different reasons

Anyhow now travelling to Wellington where I either hope to get the armature rewound or repaired and buy a new furler motor (S)

But I have no idea of brand or motor spec to look for and I was hoping someone who had been down the road before me may have helped with advice to cut a few corners. I’ve searched papers on the boat but no joy .... all I know as mine are 12 not not 24 volts

Best

John


On 29/01/2019, at 2:48 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi John.

I started a new topic for you as you had buried your post in a thread about insurance which is quite confusing.


It may be more helpful if you would describe what problem you have that suggests you want to replace your original furler motors, or are you looking for spares, or what?  Usually, the reduction gears are the problem, not the motors and if you tell us bit more about your problem we may be able to offer more helpful suggestions.  As to your headsail, again, some more information about what you want to do would help you to get more useful replies. Have you approached a sailmaker about this and have a question, or what?


Best regards,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - Sangaris, Ft Pierce, Florida


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Happy new year one and all

Anyone out there replaced the original furler motors in past and head sail on a Santorini and if so be really great full to learn the name and spec of replacement units

Best 

John Hayes 
NGA Waka
SN 41

New Zealand


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The Mechanics of Battery Equalization

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent,

thanks but your reply should have been addressed to Gary.

Cheers

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 14:35 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Danny,
I have a Victron Skylla-i 24v/80A charger for the last 3 years.  So far very happy with it.  It has equalization cycles that can be automatic, or only manual. I chose the manual because I want to know when the voltages are over 30 as recommended by my battery company.  There are several preset modes depending on your battery type, and an adjustable setting where you can set your Abs and Float voltages.  On that setting, the equalization voltage is Abs Voltage plus 3.6V, limited by Amperage to 25% of 80 Amp max with my charger (or how ever you set the max), or 4 hours.  So if Amperage reaches 20A during equaliation, the voltage will drop to the point that gives 20A charging.

Hope that helps,
Kent & Iris
SM 243
Kristy
Still in Ft Lauderdale waiting for faucet parts...Ugh.


From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 8:20 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The Mechanics of Battery Equalization

 
 
Hi All:

My 50 Amp Dolphin Battery charger (original Amel) suddenly died upon re-commissioning the boat after our hurricane repairs.  Having an electronics background I contacted Dolphin for schematics and a parts list which they promptly provided for this 17 year old product, (wow, I was impressed, and when I have a moment I will post those items in the files section).  As usual the failed parts were two capacitors (that seems to be the most common failure mode for all things electric on our boats).  The exact part number was available and I obtained those and installed them and voila, the beast is alive.  The LED indicators also went at the same time, so I found replacements for those cute little rectangular LEDs, replaced them, and checks show everything is working as prior including the multistage charging etc.  Total cost about $16.00 US and a day's labor at my exorbitant shop rate of $0.00 per hour.  If you actually paid someone to render this repair it would probably be cheaper to buy a new charger.

My chargers don't have an equalization mode so I have been using a DC power supply to equalize pairs (4 pairs) at 31 volts at 5 amps.  This is laborious (2 day) process but forces me to carefully watch the process and monitor temps, water levels, specific gravity etc.  I also isolate each pair from the boat during the process to avoid any damage to any boat items. 

As I considered a new charger (just in case I couldn't fix the Dolphin 50 A), I found that I couldn't find any marine 28 volt DC, 50-60 amp output, input 220-230 volt, 50-60 hertz chargers that have an equalization mode.  Blue Sea makes one but it is a max 40 Amp DC output,  Mastervolt and Victron don't have any with an equalization mode (at least that I could discover in their literature).  So I have two questions for the group:

1.  What charger do you have that has an equalization mode?  

2.  When you do the equalization, how do you isolate the house bank batteries from the boat? (I know that turning off the two large red handles in the quarter-berth companionway turns off most of the power to the boat, but I wasn't certain if there are "sneak, hot battery bus" type circuits that are wired (e.g. inverters, solar panel regulators etc).  The chargers do NOT go thru the large red handled shut off switches.  

Your thoughts and experiences would be most welcome. 

Sincerely 
Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico
 


 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thank you Ian,

I will hunt out those titles. I fear I have left my run too late for that voyaging. I will have to enjoy it vicariously through others stories.

Kind Regards and good luck with saving the planet, its getting a bit cluttered in that zone at the moment

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 11:33 "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Danny,


 We were there in the pre-blog era. I am in the process of writing up  the 7 years we spent sailing around South America but I am heavily engaged in a bio tech start up which all came about when I was using what was then the only cruising guide to Chile written by Ian and Maggy Staples in the late 90's . It became the RCC guide to Chilean waters. By 2003 they had sold their boat and bought the most beautiful farm in the Chilean lake district. Arising out of the production of honey on his farm Ian discovered a technology now  known as Reactive Oxygen. One thing led to another and  to www.matokeholdings.com which is severely curtailing my sailing--but we are going to save the world!

 One of the great benefits of the sailing world is not only that it takes you to fascinating places but you also meet fascinating people who you might never meet at your golf club. They change your life.


 Good though Ian and Maggy's guide is, the one book you should read is the Patagonia & Tierra del Fuego Nautical guide by Mariolina Rolfo and Giorgio Adrizzi. They bought, second hand, the very first Amel Sharki ( 16 coats of varnish!) and ended up spending 16 years in Chile, mainly in the Beagle.  It is the most comprehensive book on sailing conditions, anchorages, wild life, history etc etc. We became good friends and even contributed in a tiny way to their second edition.  I defy any Amel owner  to read that book and not  want to sail there. Even if you don't sail there it makes fascinating reading. We anchored in more than 70 remote  anchorages otherwise unknown to us relying entirely on their guide.


 Also read Hal Roth's  excellent book Two against the Horn. I first read it about 35 years ago and it contains a sentence to the effect that the most challenging place to take a yacht is the Chilean canales. That one sentence stood as a challenge to me during all the years when I was working until Judy said to me " if you don't do something about your dream you're going to be a wannabe Chile man ".  That was it--how can a man deny his wife?


 Very few boats go down to the south and most that do are passage making east to west and tend to hurry through. If you do go down there be ready to spend at least 2 seasons exploring what is one of the most remarkable places to sail.


Fair winds--you will need them in that part of the world .


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece




From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 28 January 2019 18:24:48
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
 


Hi Ian and Judy,

I would love to read about all your experiences. Do you have some blogs you can share directly with me, guess we shouldn't load the forum. Or write a book.(seriously)  Its an area I have never thought of as a cruisers option and I am fascinated.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 02:10 "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi James,

We sailed from Panama to Chile in 2002/3 and then spent two seasons in Chile, mainly in and around the Beagle Channel.  Can't say enough about it. The best sailing experiences in 40 years of sailing and a Supermaramu is the perfect boat for those conditions.

The standard passage is to leave Panama and head  southwest in a wide arc and come back east around about Chiloe. However, friends of ours encouraged us to take the coastal route, against the prevailing wind and Humboldt current. Neither is a problem until you get to about 40s and even then you just pick your weather. We made about 90 miles good each day and were the only yacht to make the whole passage that year. Panama to Salinas in Ecuador we largely made under engine. It's doldrums country, flat calm for 6 days. We put Pen Azen ashore in Ecuador for 5 months while we backpacked around the country. Then to Peru where we anchored off Callao for a month and then we coast hopped . Very few ports, but every now and then you come across a little north facing bay where the Clube de Yates ( whose members  generally only have little motor boats) will give you a wonderful welcome.

 I could write reams about our experiences. Easier to chat if you have lots of questions. Email me on penazen@... if you would like to do so and we can fix a time. We are in London so GMT at the moment.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece
 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 27 January 2019 19:25
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
 


Hello everyone - 

I'm interested to know if there are any Amel owners who have sailed to Southern Chile from Panama along the Pacific coast of South America.  If so, I'd love to hear about your experience.   


Many thanks!

-James

Soteria

#347



 

 

 


 


 



 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mark, as I said, I may have the wrong end of the stick, it appears I did.

Kind Regards

Danny

On 29 January 2019 at 09:45 "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Danny,

 

I am not suggesting any funny business. i.e. When Bill Rouse owned BeBe he was able to get an underwriter in the EU because the vessel was registered in the USVI. The same insurance company said they could not write in the USA. We have addresses in the USA, UK and Panama. We do not live at any of them. Ownership nationality has little to do with the policy. We are always very clear to explain in writing to the insurance company we reside on the vessel and the address given is for mailing purposes only. We have had one insurance company accept the marina as our address without issue. This is common practice for people residing on boats. And, the insurance company expects for the vessel to move within the limits of the policy.

 

In working with the independent Novamar agent, he was able to get Novamar to wave any requirements for a survey or rig inspection. This is NOT concealing anything. It is called negotiating the policy.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 2:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

Hi Mark,

all insurance policies I have seen require nothing to be concealed or information withheld on pain of cancellation. I may have the wrong end of the stick but it seems ownership nationality and something to do with the rig may be concealed in what you are suggesting.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 03:39 "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Craig,

 

We were able to get a quote from Y-Yacht because we are BVI flagged and our vessel is corporate owned in the BVI. I also believe they will underwrite a vessel in the USVI with a USVI address. Eric from Kimberlite has a contact who can do the address piece. The change of port is one piece of paper filed with USCG documentation.

 

I also have a really good independent broker who writes policies for Novamar USA, an “A” rated company with a lot of recommendations from members of the OCC. The price is the same as going to Novamar directly. However, he has a direct line to the underwriters and can help work around some issues such as survey or age of rigger etc. I am reluctant to post his contact info publically. Let me know if you’d like it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 10:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

I just heard back from Y Yacht Insurance - they cannot cover US yachts at this time, but are making enquires and hope to be able to do so next year.

 

Craig Briggs SN68



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

PS:  MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info.



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

All,

Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.

 

FWIW,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. 

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., <gmshea@...> wrote :

Hi all,

My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y

 

Greg Shea

Sharki 133 Cap des Iles

Preveza

 


 

 

 

 


 


 

 


 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: The Mechanics of Battery Equalization

karkauai
 

I guess it's for liability reasons that many chargers don't have equalization modes, and that the ones that do have equalization mode are so anxious about it.  It's a given that most boats will discharge significantly at night with our redundant refrigerators, and we rarely will charge back up to 100% of capacity because of the inefficiencies of running the generator to get that last few percent of capacity into the batteries.  Hence the need for regularly scheduled equalization.  It's really important to get the battery manufacturer's recommendations for abs, float, and equalization voltages.  If you're charging at less that the recommended voltages, you will have to equalize more often.  My new batteries (130 AHr Crown Marine deep cycle) require 29v Abs, and 31V equalization for 3 hours.  That information was hard to find...not on line, and the engineer I spoke to at Crown had to call me back because he couldn't find it easily.

I've added solar recently (now up to 900 Watts) and when it's sunny, the batteries get pretty close to 100%, but not all the way.  On cloudy days I have to run the generator for an hour or so every morning. 

Danny, Other than the 24-12VDC "permanent" converter, Kristy has a 24-110AC inverter that is not on the battery switch.  The solar panels/controllers are also connected on the battery side of the switches with the chargers.  I was told by the guys who installed my solar/controllers that equalization voltages wouldn't damage them.

Kent & Iris
SM 243
Kristy


From: "brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 12:22 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: The Mechanics of Battery Equalization

 
Hi Gary,

We have Mastervolt chargers and they do have have an equalization mode.  By the discussion in the manual you can dicern that the equalization mode is not intended to be used very often.  Below is an excerpt from from the manual: 

"An equalizing charge can be necessary after very deep
discharges and/or inadequate charges. This has to be
carried out according to the specifications of the
manufacturer of the batteries.
During equalizing the batteries are brought into the gas
state and is it possible that the permitted load voltages are
exceeded. Therefore appropriate measures must be
taken, e.g. disconnect all loads from the battery and
ventilate the room. For these reasons use of the equalizing
mode should only be executed by trained technical
engineers.
The equalizing mode can only be started when the
Chargemaster is in operation and in Float. This means that
the connection compartment of the Chargemaster must be
opened while connected to the mains and the batteries.
Take adequate measures for protection against short
circuits and electrical shocks.
To start the equalize mode: move DIP switch 4 to the ON
position and back to the OFF position."

Mark Mueller
Brass Ring A54



Furler motors & Headsail - Santorin

Craig Briggs
 

Hi John.

I started a new topic for you as you had buried your post in a thread about insurance which is quite confusing.


It may be more helpful if you would describe what problem you have that suggests you want to replace your original furler motors, or are you looking for spares, or what?  Usually, the reduction gears are the problem, not the motors and if you tell us bit more about your problem we may be able to offer more helpful suggestions.  As to your headsail, again, some more information about what you want to do would help you to get more useful replies. Have you approached a sailmaker about this and have a question, or what?


Best regards,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - Sangaris, Ft Pierce, Florida


---In amelyachtowners@..., <johnhayes862@...> wrote :

Happy new year one and all

Anyone out there replaced the original furler motors in past and head sail on a Santorini and if so be really great full to learn the name and spec of replacement units

Best 

John Hayes 
NGA Waka
SN 41

New Zealand


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] The Mechanics of Battery Equalization

karkauai
 

Hi Danny,
I have a Victron Skylla-i 24v/80A charger for the last 3 years.  So far very happy with it.  It has equalization cycles that can be automatic, or only manual. I chose the manual because I want to know when the voltages are over 30 as recommended by my battery company.  There are several preset modes depending on your battery type, and an adjustable setting where you can set your Abs and Float voltages.  On that setting, the equalization voltage is Abs Voltage plus 3.6V, limited by Amperage to 25% of 80 Amp max with my charger (or how ever you set the max), or 4 hours.  So if Amperage reaches 20A during equaliation, the voltage will drop to the point that gives 20A charging.

Hope that helps,
Kent & Iris
SM 243
Kristy
Still in Ft Lauderdale waiting for faucet parts...Ugh.


From: amelliahona
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 8:20 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] The Mechanics of Battery Equalization

 
Hi All:

My 50 Amp Dolphin Battery charger (original Amel) suddenly died upon re-commissioning the boat after our hurricane repairs.  Having an electronics background I contacted Dolphin for schematics and a parts list which they promptly provided for this 17 year old product, (wow, I was impressed, and when I have a moment I will post those items in the files section).  As usual the failed parts were two capacitors (that seems to be the most common failure mode for all things electric on our boats).  The exact part number was available and I obtained those and installed them and voila, the beast is alive.  The LED indicators also went at the same time, so I found replacements for those cute little rectangular LEDs, replaced them, and checks show everything is working as prior including the multistage charging etc.  Total cost about $16.00 US and a day's labor at my exorbitant shop rate of $0.00 per hour.  If you actually paid someone to render this repair it would probably be cheaper to buy a new charger.

My chargers don't have an equalization mode so I have been using a DC power supply to equalize pairs (4 pairs) at 31 volts at 5 amps.  This is laborious (2 day) process but forces me to carefully watch the process and monitor temps, water levels, specific gravity etc.  I also isolate each pair from the boat during the process to avoid any damage to any boat items. 

As I considered a new charger (just in case I couldn't fix the Dolphin 50 A), I found that I couldn't find any marine 28 volt DC, 50-60 amp output, input 220-230 volt, 50-60 hertz chargers that have an equalization mode.  Blue Sea makes one but it is a max 40 Amp DC output,  Mastervolt and Victron don't have any with an equalization mode (at least that I could discover in their literature).  So I have two questions for the group:

1.  What charger do you have that has an equalization mode?  

2.  When you do the equalization, how do you isolate the house bank batteries from the boat? (I know that turning off the two large red handles in the quarter-berth companionway turns off most of the power to the boat, but I wasn't certain if there are "sneak, hot battery bus" type circuits that are wired (e.g. inverters, solar panel regulators etc).  The chargers do NOT go thru the large red handled shut off switches.  

Your thoughts and experiences would be most welcome. 

Sincerely 
Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey Marina - Puerto Rico



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Danny,


 We were there in the pre-blog era. I am in the process of writing up  the 7 years we spent sailing around South America but I am heavily engaged in a bio tech start up which all came about when I was using what was then the only cruising guide to Chile written by Ian and Maggy Staples in the late 90's . It became the RCC guide to Chilean waters. By 2003 they had sold their boat and bought the most beautiful farm in the Chilean lake district. Arising out of the production of honey on his farm Ian discovered a technology now  known as Reactive Oxygen. One thing led to another and  to www.matokeholdings.com which is severely curtailing my sailing--but we are going to save the world!

 One of the great benefits of the sailing world is not only that it takes you to fascinating places but you also meet fascinating people who you might never meet at your golf club. They change your life.


 Good though Ian and Maggy's guide is, the one book you should read is the Patagonia & Tierra del Fuego Nautical guide by Mariolina Rolfo and Giorgio Adrizzi. They bought, second hand, the very first Amel Sharki ( 16 coats of varnish!) and ended up spending 16 years in Chile, mainly in the Beagle.  It is the most comprehensive book on sailing conditions, anchorages, wild life, history etc etc. We became good friends and even contributed in a tiny way to their second edition.  I defy any Amel owner  to read that book and not  want to sail there. Even if you don't sail there it makes fascinating reading. We anchored in more than 70 remote  anchorages otherwise unknown to us relying entirely on their guide.


 Also read Hal Roth's  excellent book Two against the Horn. I first read it about 35 years ago and it contains a sentence to the effect that the most challenging place to take a yacht is the Chilean canales. That one sentence stood as a challenge to me during all the years when I was working until Judy said to me " if you don't do something about your dream you're going to be a wannabe Chile man ".  That was it--how can a man deny his wife?


 Very few boats go down to the south and most that do are passage making east to west and tend to hurry through. If you do go down there be ready to spend at least 2 seasons exploring what is one of the most remarkable places to sail.


Fair winds--you will need them in that part of the world .


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece




From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 28 January 2019 18:24:48
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
 


Hi Ian and Judy,

I would love to read about all your experiences. Do you have some blogs you can share directly with me, guess we shouldn't load the forum. Or write a book.(seriously)  Its an area I have never thought of as a cruisers option and I am fascinated.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 02:10 "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

 

Hi James,

We sailed from Panama to Chile in 2002/3 and then spent two seasons in Chile, mainly in and around the Beagle Channel.  Can't say enough about it. The best sailing experiences in 40 years of sailing and a Supermaramu is the perfect boat for those conditions.

The standard passage is to leave Panama and head  southwest in a wide arc and come back east around about Chiloe. However, friends of ours encouraged us to take the coastal route, against the prevailing wind and Humboldt current. Neither is a problem until you get to about 40s and even then you just pick your weather. We made about 90 miles good each day and were the only yacht to make the whole passage that year. Panama to Salinas in Ecuador we largely made under engine. It's doldrums country, flat calm for 6 days. We put Pen Azen ashore in Ecuador for 5 months while we backpacked around the country. Then to Peru where we anchored off Callao for a month and then we coast hopped . Very few ports, but every now and then you come across a little north facing bay where the Clube de Yates ( whose members  generally only have little motor boats) will give you a wonderful welcome.

 I could write reams about our experiences. Easier to chat if you have lots of questions. Email me on penazen@... if you would like to do so and we can fix a time. We are in London so GMT at the moment.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece
 

From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 27 January 2019 19:25
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Any Amel owners who have sailed to Chile from Panama?
 


Hello everyone - 

I'm interested to know if there are any Amel owners who have sailed to Southern Chile from Panama along the Pacific coast of South America.  If so, I'd love to hear about your experience.   


Many thanks!

-James

Soteria

#347



 

 


 


 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

Yes, Mark & Danny. In fact the insurance company was given a copy of the US Coast Guard Documentation which clearly listed our home address in Texas and our Hailing Port (homeport) as St Thomas.


The insurance company explained it to me this way: US waters are the most expensive for insurance companies because of the high rate of lawsuits in US Courts and the high rate of damages awarded. Somehow insurance companies place important value on homeport. I was able to buy French insurance with a "homeport" of St. Thomas West Indies (which is a US Territory) and a US registered vessel with a US address. It was the exception to the rule for that insurance company. BTW, that company is no longer in business.

Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 3:46 PM 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Danny,

 

I am not suggesting any funny business. i.e. When Bill Rouse owned BeBe he was able to get an underwriter in the EU because the vessel was registered in the USVI. The same insurance company said they could not write in the USA. We have addresses in the USA, UK and Panama. We do not live at any of them. Ownership nationality has little to do with the policy. We are always very clear to explain in writing to the insurance company we reside on the vessel and the address given is for mailing purposes only. We have had one insurance company accept the marina as our address without issue. This is common practice for people residing on boats. And, the insurance company expects for the vessel to move within the limits of the policy.

 

In working with the independent Novamar agent, he was able to get Novamar to wave any requirements for a survey or rig inspection. This is NOT concealing anything. It is called negotiating the policy.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 2:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

Hi Mark,

all insurance policies I have seen require nothing to be concealed or information withheld on pain of cancellation. I may have the wrong end of the stick but it seems ownership nationality and something to do with the rig may be concealed in what you are suggesting.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 03:39 "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Craig,

 

We were able to get a quote from Y-Yacht because we are BVI flagged and our vessel is corporate owned in the BVI. I also believe they will underwrite a vessel in the USVI with a USVI address. Eric from Kimberlite has a contact who can do the address piece. The change of port is one piece of paper filed with USCG documentation.

 

I also have a really good independent broker who writes policies for Novamar USA, an “A” rated company with a lot of recommendations from members of the OCC. The price is the same as going to Novamar directly. However, he has a direct line to the underwriters and can help work around some issues such as survey or age of rigger etc. I am reluctant to post his contact info publically. Let me know if you’d like it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 10:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

I just heard back from Y Yacht Insurance - they cannot cover US yachts at this time, but are making enquires and hope to be able to do so next year.

 

Craig Briggs SN68



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

PS:  MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info.



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

All,

Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.

 

FWIW,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. 

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi all,

My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y

 

Greg Shea

Sharki 133 Cap des Iles

Preveza

 


 

 

 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

JOHN HAYES
 

Happy new year one and all

Anyone out there replaced the original furler motors in past and head sail on a Santorini and if so be really great full to learn the name and spec of replacement units

Best 

John Hayes 
NGA Waka
SN 41

New Zealand


On 29/01/2019, at 7:35 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Mark,

all insurance policies I have seen require nothing to be concealed or information withheld on pain of cancellation. I may have the wrong end of the stick but it seems ownership nationality and something to do with the rig may be concealed in what you are suggesting.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 29 January 2019 at 03:39 "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Craig,

 

We were able to get a quote from Y-Yacht because we are BVI flagged and our vessel is corporate owned in the BVI. I also believe they will underwrite a vessel in the USVI with a USVI address. Eric from Kimberlite has a contact who can do the address piece. The change of port is one piece of paper filed with USCG documentation.

 

I also have a really good independent broker who writes policies for Novamar USA, an “A” rated company with a lot of recommendations from members of the OCC. The price is the same as going to Novamar directly. However, he has a direct line to the underwriters and can help work around some issues such as survey or age of rigger etc. I am reluctant to post his contact info publically. Let me know if you’d like it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 10:15 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance

 

 

I just heard back from Y Yacht Insurance - they cannot cover US yachts at this time, but are making enquires and hope to be able to do so next year.

 

Craig Briggs SN68



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

PS:  MS and AD Insurance Group Holdings is a Japanese company which you can google for more info.



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

All,

Suggest you read further, if interested, at yyachtinsurance dot com, which states Barry Sullivan, who happens to own a Maramu, started Pantaenius UK, did business as Shearlangstone, Ltd. , became Y Yacht Insurance in 2011. Now set up Y Yacht Assurances France for post-Brexit operation. The actual insurance and underwriting is through MS Amlin, part of MS and AD (haven't researched them) and Y Yacht Insurance is a trading name of Y at-sign Limited, an English company.

 

FWIW,

Craig Briggs, SN68 - I did ask for a quote and will let you know what I hear. 

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi all,

My info is that Barrie Sullivan of Y used to be the GM of Pantaenius UK but "retired" and started Y

 

Greg Shea

Sharki 133 Cap des Iles

Preveza