Date   

New Group

 
Edited

To:     All members of the Amel Yacht Owners Group and New Members


From:
Bill Rouse

In 2002, “Closereach” founded the Amel Yacht Owners Group on Yahoo Groups platform with a handful of members. Our group grew in membership to the hundreds when Closereach retired from our group and turned the group’s ownership over to Jose Luis Isasi. Jose led the group to over 1000 members and in 2018 turned the ownership over to me.

In the beginning and through a number of years, the Yahoo platform worked well for most of our members. However, as technology progressed, Yahoo Groups did not, and many of the members began complaining of numerous shortcomings with the Yahoo platform. Additionally, Yahoo simply stopped supporting the groups about 2 years ago and left known bugs and problems continue to irritate all of us. Lastly, we cannot ignore the numerous rumors about Yahoo and what they may do with the Yahoo Groups, especially since they no longer support their group platform.

Groups.io is a new and different platform for groups like ours. Although they offer a “free” group platform, it is not for us because we need more features and we are larger than the small groups the free platform is intended for. Groups.io has a PREMIUM platform which is generally designed like the Yahoo platform that we are accustomed to, but Groups.io has search ability that works, and many other tools that work.

The Amel Owners Group moderators and I have been testing Groups.io for several weeks and made the decision to move the Amel Yacht Owners Group to Groups.io. Hopefully the transition will go as smooth as possible, but I am sure that there will be issues. We are moving all of our data with us. There is a minimal cost involved ($110/year), which Amel School will pay for 5 years. I believe that this will give us plenty of time to plan for the years after the first 5. 

The Moderators of our Group will remain: Mark McGovern, SM CARA, Mark Erdos, SM CREAM PUFF, Danny SIMMS, SM OCEAN PEARL, and Gary Wells, SM ADAGIO


As a member, you can post a message to the new Amel Yacht Owners Group by sending an email to: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io

 

I hope that you all will enjoy the new platform.

         

 

CW Bill Rouse
Amel School
720 Winnie Street
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Additional solar location?

greatketch@...
 

Miles,

I will only cast a vote against putting them on the rail.  I KNOW it is popular, and lots of people do it, and lots of people have not had an issue with it. I did it that way on my old boat.  They worked well, and were out of the way.

However...

Fourteen days out of Hawaii headed to San Francisco in the middle of a North Pacific gale we were swept across the deck by waves several times.  Green water falling across the deck hit the back of the stowed solar panel hard enough to break the stanchions it was attached to. I see some of the "cruising" boats out here that carry all manner of stuff all over the outside of the boat, and the damage I imagine they might have sustained in such conditions is frightening.

Granted, these were conditions that were pretty extreme, but not beyond what any boat crossing an ocean should be ready for. It gives me pause about using the rails for permanent storage of anything. We are all colored by our experiences, and this was the worst weather I ever hope to sail in.  But it really gave me an appreciation for what moving water can do to things tied to a boat.  It's why I keep clear decks when sailing.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Georgetown, Bahamas


Grohe galley faucet spray head

eric freedman
 


Re: Requesting advice marinas in Puerto Rico and St. Thomas

greatketch@...
 

James,

If the south coast of PR works for you, we had good experiences in Ponce at Club Nautico where we left Harmonie tied up in a slip for a trip back to the mainland.  The staff was great and the facilities good.  My recollection is that there were moorings in the harbor, but I am not sure if they were associated with Club Nautico, or were private.

The only caveat is that we were there pre-hurricane, so not sure of the current status.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Georgetown, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Requesting advice marinas in Puerto Rico and St. Thomas

Courtney Gorman
 

Independent Boat Yard Benner Bay St Thomas Is the most place I foundPlus you have easy in and out it from Saint Thomas around 900 a month my Amel 54 is there it’s a little tricky getting in as there is some Sandy Shoals on the way in if you stay close to the red you’re in good shape then once you’re getting closer to the marina you need the middle


On Feb 11, 2019, at 3:31 PM, jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Amelians - 

I am needing to leave my boat for a couple weeks while I return home.  I am looking for a safe and affordable location to keep it - either at Puerto Rico or St. Thomas.  I would be grateful for any recommendations for either location.  I'd prefer to use a mooring , though I am considering  using a slip as well.  


Many thanks,

James

SV Soteria 

SM2K 347


Re: UPDATE - Amel Caribbean Rally - Martinique April 7 - April 13

 

Colin,

Looking forward to seeing you there!

Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 3:36 PM Sailing Island Pearl <colin.d.streeter@...> wrote:
Hi Bill

We are now also able to confirm for 7th till 13th and will be returning there from St Martin the week before.

Thanks for all your efforts in getting this together. Lauren and I look forward to meeting all those present.

Best regards
Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, SM #332
Princess Margaret Beach
Bequia

On Mon, 11 Feb. 2019, 13:49 Bill Rouse <brouse@... wrote:
To: All Amel Owners who expressed interest in the Rally (Some have since Confirmed or Declined, but all included in this email).
      All Martinique Sponsors

Re: Martinique - Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally Rendezvous Potential Dates...we are still planning
     (other locations will be informal meet/greet, but nothing will be planned). 
Dates: Apr 7-13 du Marin marina or at anchor, with a group anchorage at St Anne on Apr 13 (the last day)
          - Tuesday April 9 - Possible date for a dinner at Mango Bay
          - Wednesday April 10 Possible bus tour of Martinique
          - Saturday April 13 - St. Anne anchorage pot luck dinner
Attendance: I have received Confirmed Amels and 7 Possible.
Cost: Nothing for the Rally
What I need: I need more confirmed attendance in Martinique. I think the minimum we should have is 20 Confirmed Amels.
What you get by attending: I have discussed this Rally with Martinique-based Sponsors asking for some help with the following:
  • A free haulout (splash, launch + 3 days) will be given to one Amel owner attending, sponsored by Carenantilles. .
  • A dinner at Mango Bay during the above dates for all owners attending the Rally, sponsored by Caraibe Marine and Caribbean Yacht Sales 
  • A bus tour of Rhum Clément and possibly some other stop, possible, but no sponsor confirmed. 
  • Berth Discounts at the Marina du Marin, possible, but not confirmed. I need help with contact at the marina. 
  • Prizes and/or gift certificates from different Sponsors to be given by them during the dinner at Mango Bay, 2 are confirmed. 
The early indications is that we will get most of the above and possibly more. I am still waiting on Amel to confirm that they will offer something. I will keep you posted and will add to the website when I have confirmation.

If you need to change anything that I have in this email, ot the table below, please contact me at brouse@...

Registration Log includes any Amel owner that previously expressed interest
Y=Definite, N=Not Coming, P=Possible, U=Unknown
Name Amel Conf.
Joe & Tracie Nance CloudStreet SM 331 Y
Eric Freedman Kimberlite SM 376 N
Arno Luijten  SV Luna A54 121 N
Miles Bidwell  Ladybug SM 216 N
Kent & Iris Robertson Kristy SM 243 P
John Clark  Annie SM 37 N
Pat & Diane McAneny Shenanigans SM 123 N
Alex Paquin  SIMPATICO Maramu #94 Y
Colin Streeter Island Pearl SM 332 P
Donald Patterson  ?Mango? U
Kim and Chuck Lacey Joy SM 388 Y
Paul and Kerstin Osterberg Kerpa SM 259 N
Gary Wells Adagio SM 209 Y
Duane & Peg Siegfried Wanderer, SM 477 Y
Derick Gates Brava SM 400 N
Mark Pitt  Sabbatical III, SM 419 P
Mark,Karen, Miles and Lucy Isaac  Lulu, SM 391 Y
Courtney Gorman  TRIPPIN A54 101 U
James Cromie  Soteria SM 347 Y
Mark & Debbie Mueller  Brass Ring, A54 68 P
Olaf Bauer Katchopine, SM 392 P
Bill Kinney & Karen Smith  Harmonie SM 160  P
Patrick Mazzei and Fred Flamaz Django SM 70 Y
David Goodman Bel Ami SM 230 P
Jamie Wendell Phantom Amel 54 #044 Y
Confirmed, No, Possible, Unknown Totals
Confirmed 9
Not Attending 7
P Possible 7
U Unknown 2
Total Y Confirmed and P Possible 16


Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: UPDATE - Amel Caribbean Rally - Martinique April 7 - April 13

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Bill

We are now also able to confirm for 7th till 13th and will be returning there from St Martin the week before.

Thanks for all your efforts in getting this together. Lauren and I look forward to meeting all those present.

Best regards
Colin & Lauren Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, SM #332
Princess Margaret Beach
Bequia

On Mon, 11 Feb. 2019, 13:49 Bill Rouse <brouse@... wrote:
To: All Amel Owners who expressed interest in the Rally (Some have since Confirmed or Declined, but all included in this email).
      All Martinique Sponsors

Re: Martinique - Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally Rendezvous Potential Dates...we are still planning
     (other locations will be informal meet/greet, but nothing will be planned). 
Dates: Apr 7-13 du Marin marina or at anchor, with a group anchorage at St Anne on Apr 13 (the last day)
          - Tuesday April 9 - Possible date for a dinner at Mango Bay
          - Wednesday April 10 Possible bus tour of Martinique
          - Saturday April 13 - St. Anne anchorage pot luck dinner
Attendance: I have received Confirmed Amels and 7 Possible.
Cost: Nothing for the Rally
What I need: I need more confirmed attendance in Martinique. I think the minimum we should have is 20 Confirmed Amels.
What you get by attending: I have discussed this Rally with Martinique-based Sponsors asking for some help with the following:
  • A free haulout (splash, launch + 3 days) will be given to one Amel owner attending, sponsored by Carenantilles. .
  • A dinner at Mango Bay during the above dates for all owners attending the Rally, sponsored by Caraibe Marine and Caribbean Yacht Sales 
  • A bus tour of Rhum Clément and possibly some other stop, possible, but no sponsor confirmed. 
  • Berth Discounts at the Marina du Marin, possible, but not confirmed. I need help with contact at the marina. 
  • Prizes and/or gift certificates from different Sponsors to be given by them during the dinner at Mango Bay, 2 are confirmed. 
The early indications is that we will get most of the above and possibly more. I am still waiting on Amel to confirm that they will offer something. I will keep you posted and will add to the website when I have confirmation.

If you need to change anything that I have in this email, ot the table below, please contact me at brouse@...

Registration Log includes any Amel owner that previously expressed interest
Y=Definite, N=Not Coming, P=Possible, U=Unknown
Name Amel Conf.
Joe & Tracie Nance CloudStreet SM 331 Y
Eric Freedman Kimberlite SM 376 N
Arno Luijten  SV Luna A54 121 N
Miles Bidwell  Ladybug SM 216 N
Kent & Iris Robertson Kristy SM 243 P
John Clark  Annie SM 37 N
Pat & Diane McAneny Shenanigans SM 123 N
Alex Paquin  SIMPATICO Maramu #94 Y
Colin Streeter Island Pearl SM 332 P
Donald Patterson  ?Mango? U
Kim and Chuck Lacey Joy SM 388 Y
Paul and Kerstin Osterberg Kerpa SM 259 N
Gary Wells Adagio SM 209 Y
Duane & Peg Siegfried Wanderer, SM 477 Y
Derick Gates Brava SM 400 N
Mark Pitt  Sabbatical III, SM 419 P
Mark,Karen, Miles and Lucy Isaac  Lulu, SM 391 Y
Courtney Gorman  TRIPPIN A54 101 U
James Cromie  Soteria SM 347 Y
Mark & Debbie Mueller  Brass Ring, A54 68 P
Olaf Bauer Katchopine, SM 392 P
Bill Kinney & Karen Smith  Harmonie SM 160  P
Patrick Mazzei and Fred Flamaz Django SM 70 Y
David Goodman Bel Ami SM 230 P
Jamie Wendell Phantom Amel 54 #044 Y
Confirmed, No, Possible, Unknown Totals
Confirmed 9
Not Attending 7
P Possible 7
U Unknown 2
Total Y Confirmed and P Possible 16


Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Additional solar location?

Gregory Shea
 

Miles,
Another alternative that you may like to consider is to mount flexible panels on a framework, in front of the mizzen, supported by the lowers for the mizzen. It was Graham Johnston on Zephyr (who I think you have met) who came up with the idea and attached are photos of how he attached a framework to the stays to support the panels. He built a platform on which he mounted the panels.
In my case, I built a tubular framework and then lashed the panels to the frame. I have attached photos of one of my early iterations.
It is a bit of a juggling act to work around the back stay and the forward lowers to maximize panel area. It may be easier on a Maramu than a Sharki but you need to have some feel for the geometry before you order the panels. The height that you mount the frame is also a key factor in determining the frame/panel width. I was just lucky with mine.
If you decide to go this route, I can give you more details, off line.
One of the nice features of this arrangement is that the cables can be run down the back stay and into the boat via the hawse pipe for the radar cable.
Let me know if you need any other details.

Greg Shea
Sharki 133 Cap des iles
Preveza


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:48:45 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Additional solar location?
 
 

Hi there

I’m considering removing my rear arch in favour of a much missed wind steering vane

Currently the arch holds a single 200W solar panel and a silentwind generator

I might see if I can pivot mount the 200w solar panel on the push pit side/railing on the quarter

I’m thinking of remounting the wind gen on the mizzen eventually but mean time adding a bit more solar instead.

Some flexi panels on the cockpit hard dodger is my current favourite location.

I’d be interested to hear if people have had much success with this or suffered too much shading from the boom etc.

Also how people have routed the wires for any solar panels installed on the dodger roof ?

All the very best
Miles
Maramu 162



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Requesting advice marinas in Puerto Rico and St. Thomas

Mark Erdos
 

In St. Thomas, this is a good spot but being IGY, it is expensive: http://www.igy-yachthavengrande.com/

 

They have good security and not far from the airport.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:32 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Requesting advice marinas in Puerto Rico and St. Thomas

 

 

Hello Amelians - 

I am needing to leave my boat for a couple weeks while I return home.  I am looking for a safe and affordable location to keep it - either at Puerto Rico or St. Thomas.  I would be grateful for any recommendations for either location.  I'd prefer to use a mooring , though I am considering  using a slip as well.  

 

Many thanks,

James

SV Soteria 

SM2K 347


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Requesting advice marinas in Puerto Rico and St. Thomas

Mark Erdos
 

In PR, I can recommend this marina. It is safe and has excellent security. By road, you need to transit two guard gates to enter. There are no moorings, just slips. The docks are solid concrete. The staff will watch the boat for you and there are a couple of staff member you can pay a little extra to wash and care for the boat while gone.  They will even send you pictures of the vessel while you are away. There is a car rental agency on site and very close to Wal-Mart and about 10 miles from Costco.

 

Glenda L. Félix 

The Yacht Club Marina 

Palmas del Mar 

370 Harbour Drive 

Humacao, PR 00791

Tel. 1-787-656-7300

glenda@...

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 4:32 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Requesting advice marinas in Puerto Rico and St. Thomas

 

 

Hello Amelians - 

I am needing to leave my boat for a couple weeks while I return home.  I am looking for a safe and affordable location to keep it - either at Puerto Rico or St. Thomas.  I would be grateful for any recommendations for either location.  I'd prefer to use a mooring , though I am considering  using a slip as well.  

 

Many thanks,

James

SV Soteria 

SM2K 347


Requesting advice marinas in Puerto Rico and St. Thomas

James Cromie
 

Hello Amelians - 

I am needing to leave my boat for a couple weeks while I return home.  I am looking for a safe and affordable location to keep it - either at Puerto Rico or St. Thomas.  I would be grateful for any recommendations for either location.  I'd prefer to use a mooring , though I am considering  using a slip as well.  


Many thanks,

James

SV Soteria 

SM2K 347


Additional solar location?

smiles bernard
 

Hi there

I’m considering removing my rear arch in favour of a much missed wind steering vane

Currently the arch holds a single 200W solar panel and a silentwind generator

I might see if I can pivot mount the 200w solar panel on the push pit side/railing on the quarter

I’m thinking of remounting the wind gen on the mizzen eventually but mean time adding a bit more solar instead.

Some flexi panels on the cockpit hard dodger is my current favourite location.

I’d be interested to hear if people have had much success with this or suffered too much shading from the boom etc.


Also how people have routed the wires for any solar panels installed on the dodger roof ?

All the very best
Miles
Maramu 162


UPDATE - Amel Caribbean Rally - Martinique April 7 - April 13

 

To: All Amel Owners who expressed interest in the Rally (Some have since Confirmed or Declined, but all included in this email).
      All Martinique Sponsors

Re: Martinique - Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally Rendezvous Potential Dates...we are still planning
     (other locations will be informal meet/greet, but nothing will be planned). 
Dates: Apr 7-13 du Marin marina or at anchor, with a group anchorage at St Anne on Apr 13 (the last day)
          - Tuesday April 9 - Possible date for a dinner at Mango Bay
          - Wednesday April 10 Possible bus tour of Martinique
          - Saturday April 13 - St. Anne anchorage pot luck dinner
Attendance: I have received Confirmed Amels and 7 Possible.
Cost: Nothing for the Rally
What I need: I need more confirmed attendance in Martinique. I think the minimum we should have is 20 Confirmed Amels.
What you get by attending: I have discussed this Rally with Martinique-based Sponsors asking for some help with the following:
  • A free haulout (splash, launch + 3 days) will be given to one Amel owner attending, sponsored by Carenantilles. .
  • A dinner at Mango Bay during the above dates for all owners attending the Rally, sponsored by Caraibe Marine and Caribbean Yacht Sales 
  • A bus tour of Rhum Clément and possibly some other stop, possible, but no sponsor confirmed. 
  • Berth Discounts at the Marina du Marin, possible, but not confirmed. I need help with contact at the marina. 
  • Prizes and/or gift certificates from different Sponsors to be given by them during the dinner at Mango Bay, 2 are confirmed. 
The early indications is that we will get most of the above and possibly more. I am still waiting on Amel to confirm that they will offer something. I will keep you posted and will add to the website when I have confirmation.

If you need to change anything that I have in this email, ot the table below, please contact me at brouse@...

Registration Log includes any Amel owner that previously expressed interest
Y=Definite, N=Not Coming, P=Possible, U=Unknown
Name Amel Conf.
Joe & Tracie Nance CloudStreet SM 331 Y
Eric Freedman Kimberlite SM 376 N
Arno Luijten  SV Luna A54 121 N
Miles Bidwell  Ladybug SM 216 N
Kent & Iris Robertson Kristy SM 243 P
John Clark  Annie SM 37 N
Pat & Diane McAneny Shenanigans SM 123 N
Alex Paquin  SIMPATICO Maramu #94 Y
Colin Streeter Island Pearl SM 332 P
Donald Patterson  ?Mango? U
Kim and Chuck Lacey Joy SM 388 Y
Paul and Kerstin Osterberg Kerpa SM 259 N
Gary Wells Adagio SM 209 Y
Duane & Peg Siegfried Wanderer, SM 477 Y
Derick Gates Brava SM 400 N
Mark Pitt  Sabbatical III, SM 419 P
Mark,Karen, Miles and Lucy Isaac  Lulu, SM 391 Y
Courtney Gorman  TRIPPIN A54 101 U
James Cromie  Soteria SM 347 Y
Mark & Debbie Mueller  Brass Ring, A54 68 P
Olaf Bauer Katchopine, SM 392 P
Bill Kinney & Karen Smith  Harmonie SM 160  P
Patrick Mazzei and Fred Flamaz Django SM 70 Y
David Goodman Bel Ami SM 230 P
Jamie Wendell Phantom Amel 54 #044 Y
Confirmed, No, Possible, Unknown Totals
Confirmed 9
Not Attending 7
P Possible 7
U Unknown 2
Total Y Confirmed and P Possible 16


Best,

Bill Rouse
Amel School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: AGM battery equalisation

hanspeter baettig
 

😂

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 11.02.2019 um 03:05 schrieb Whuati whuati@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hanspeter 

Auto text, should be “electronic engineer”
Oh and I’m British, living in Ireland for 20 years, last 3 living onboard.

Jay

WHUATI - crew


On 11 Feb 2019, at 03:11, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jay Perry
its always interesting following the threads about batteries. There are new Amel owners on this forum, I guess 100 % US owners.
Question to you ?
What is an election engineer ?
Thats something only US related ???
Salutations
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM 16
Martinique
Port de Plaisance le Marin

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 10.02.2019 um 20:25 schrieb Whuati whuati@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Some info here


And here


Also to prolong the life of batteries increase the size of the bank so your daily discharge is a lower percentage of the banks capacity. Example if you use 100ah per day (charge cycle) then you need a power supply of around 500ah so you only use 20% of the total capacity, never running the batteries lower than 80%. 
This is why lead acid type batteries are not as cost effective over time as lithium, as lithium can be drained to 90% so you can use almost all or the amp hours you pay for.

(I’m an election engineer and Chief Technical Officer)

Jay Perry 

WHUATI - crew


On 10 Feb 2019, at 22:57, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Paul,


You might find some useful information about balancing batteries and why it is especially important for AGM's and GEL's here:  Battery Connections and Balancing

4 years is a good life span for flooded batteries, not bad (but not great) for AGMs.

AGM's are great batteries, but they are in some way more sensitive than flooded. If they are not brought up to full charge--often--they suffer.  Our AGM's lasted about 6.5 years, and were still OK, but we needed the reliability of a new bank so we upgraded them.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Georgetown, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: AGM battery equalisation

LYNDA FIELDEN <lynda.fielden1@...>
 

Hi Peter 
This email thread is quite lengthy but there are some good points and link to a few helpful battery articles. 
It would be good to have a think about solar panels as well. 
I can organise to get these and sent out to you in Antigua or may be best for you to get Susie to bring them out which may be more cost effective. 
Let me know what you think. Perhaps have a look at the Amel site and see what others are using. 
Lynda 😊 



On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 0:06, Whuati whuati@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

The low voltage batteries are probably end of life, but have you tried equalizing the bank?


Jay

WHUATI - crew


On 10 Feb 2019, at 21:01, mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Paul,


I'll throw in my 2 cents that it's time to start looking for new batteries.  4.5 years is a pretty good run especially if you have spent a lot of time at anchor and therefore have lots of discharge/charge cycles.  

Regarding trying to equalize the batteries, check the documentation of your specific batteries.  Most AGM batteries DO NOT recommend equalizing with the notable exception of Lifeline AGM batteries.  

The battery with 12.3 volts is gone.  Keeping that damaged battery in the bank is doing you more harm than good right now and actually can be a danger as it is likely getting quite hot when charging as well as venting excessive amounts of hydrogen gas.  If I were you I would immediately take o ut that battery as well as the worst of the remaining 11 and run with 5 pairs instead of 6 until you can replace the entire bank.

If you just replace the bad battery with a new one, that battery will have significantly more capacity than all the rest of your "old" batteries.  But your charger does not know that so when your "old" batteries are full, the new one won't even be close to full.  So you will be chronically undercharging the new battery leading to iot's premature failure AND you will be overcharging the old batteries at the same time leading to excess heat and venting of gas.

Regarding "balancing out the voltages" of the remaining batteries, my understanding from my research is that in a Series-Parallel battery bank it is more important that the voltages of the 12V batteries that are connected in Series to make each 24V battery are matched as closely as possible.

See this article:  https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/blog/192-a-true-balancing-act-battery-equalizing.html  There are products on the market called Battery Balancers whose purpose is to monitor these differences and modify the charge current sent to each battery to ensure that each gets fully charged such as this one:  https://www.victronenergy.com/upload/documents/Datasheet-Battery-Balancer-EN.pdf    

So in your case, you said that you have the following voltages in your 12 batteries:

12.7 12.6 12.5 12.5 12.6 12.6 12.5 12.6 12.5 12.6 12.7 12.3

I would disconnect the 12.3 and the lowest of the 12.5 batteries and then make the following set of five (5) 24V batteries connected in Parallel:

[12.7 12.7]
[12.6 12.6] 
[12.5 12.5] 
[12.6 12.6] 
[12.5 12.6]   


Last, I am NOT an electrical engineer nor a battery expert.  Most of what I know about deep cycle batteries comes from reading these sites:  https://marinehowto.com/under-load-battery-voltage-vs-soc/ and https://batteryuniversity.com/ and https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/blog.html.  They are full of great information to help you decide how best to proceed.  Good luck!

Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD US A


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: AGM battery equalisation

Jay Perry
 

Hanspeter 
Auto text, should be “electronic engineer”
Oh and I’m British, living in Ireland for 20 years, last 3 living onboard.

Jay

WHUATI - crew


On 11 Feb 2019, at 03:11, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Jay Perry
its always interesting following the threads about batteries. There are new Amel owners on this forum, I guess 100 % US owners.
Question to you ?
What is an election engineer ?
Thats something only US related ???
Salutations
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM 16
Martinique
Port de Plaisance le Marin

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 10.02.2019 um 20:25 schrieb Whuati whuati@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Some info here


And here


Also to prolong the life of batteries increase the size of the bank so your daily discharge is a lower percentage of the banks capacity. Example if you use 100ah per day (charge cycle) then you need a power supply of around 500ah so you only use 20% of the total capacity, never running the batteries lower than 80%. 
This is why lead acid type batteries are not as cost effective over time as lithium, as lithium can be drained to 90% so you can use almost all or the amp hours you pay for.

(I’m an election engineer and Chief Technical Officer)

Jay Perry 

WHUATI - crew


On 10 Feb 2019, at 22:57, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Paul,


You might find some useful information about balancing batteries and why it is especially important for AGM's and GEL's here:  Battery Connections and Balancing

4 years is a good life span for flooded batteries, not bad (but not great) for AGMs.

AGM's are great batteries, but they are in some way more sensitive than flooded. If they are not brought up to full charge--often--they suffer.  Our AGM's lasted about 6.5 years, and were still OK, but we needed the reliability of a new bank so we upgraded them.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Georgetown, Bahamas


the 2 screws at the bottom of the macerator pump.

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: AGM battery equalisation

Craig Briggs
 

So, Jay, as a self-proclaimed "election engineer" , will you be available for the 2020 US elections? 

(Sorry, couldn't resist .)

Cheers,  Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <whuati@...> wrote :

Some info here

And here


Also to prolong the life of batteries increase the size of the bank so your daily discharge is a lower percentage of the banks capacity. Example if you use 100ah per day (charge cycle) then you need a power supply of around 500ah so you only use 20% of the total capacity, never running the batteries lower than 80%. 
This is why lead acid type batteries are not as cost effective over time as lithium, as lithium can be drained to 90% so you can use almost all or the amp hours you pay for.

(I’m an election engineer and Chief Technical Officer)

Jay Perry 

WHUATI - crew


On 10 Feb 2019, at 22:57, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Paul,


You might find some useful information about balancing batteries and why it is especially important for AGM's and GEL's here:  Battery Connections and Balancing

4 years is a good life span for flooded batteries, not bad (but not great) for AGMs.

AGM's are great batteries, but they are in some way more sensitive than flooded. If they are not brought up to full charge--often--they suffer.  Our AGM's lasted about 6.5 years, and were still OK, but we needed the reliability of a new bank so we upgraded them.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Georgetown, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: AGM battery equalisation

hanspeter baettig
 

Hi Jay Perry
its always interesting following the threads about batteries. There are new Amel owners on this forum, I guess 100 % US owners.
Question to you ?
What is an election engineer ?
Thats something only US related ???
Salutations
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM 16
Martinique
Port de Plaisance le Marin

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 10.02.2019 um 20:25 schrieb Whuati whuati@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Some info here


And here


Also to prolong the life of batteries increase the size of the bank so your daily discharge is a lower percentage of the banks capacity. Example if you use 100ah per day (charge cycle) then you need a power supply of around 500ah so you only use 20% of the total capacity, never running the batteries lower than 80%. 
This is why lead acid type batteries are not as cost effective over time as lithium, as lithium can be drained to 90% so you can use almost all or the amp hours you pay for.

(I’m an election engineer and Chief Technical Officer)

Jay Perry 

WHUATI - crew


On 10 Feb 2019, at 22:57, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Paul,


You might find some useful information about balancing batteries and why it is especially important for AGM's and GEL's here:  Battery Connections and Balancing

4 years is a good life span for flooded batteries, not bad (but not great) for AGMs.

AGM's are great batteries, but they are in some way more sensitive than flooded. If they are not brought up to full charge--often--they suffer.  Our AGM's lasted about 6.5 years, and were still OK, but we needed the reliability of a new bank so we upgraded them.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Georgetown, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: AGM battery equalisation

Jay Perry
 

If the budget will allow, change the bank.
I always replace our entire house bank at the same time with the same make, model and capacity batteries. Can be expensive as we are currently using Victron Energy Gel at €300 per battery and we use 4 x 110ah. This does make a difference as Bill mentioned leaving a defective battery in the bank can damage others.

WHUATI - crew


On 11 Feb 2019, at 02:29, sharongbrown@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Many thanks again for all the replies.

Bill, the article about battery balancing is very interesting and the onward link to the Victron data sheet even more so. This really does seem to be what I'm lacking here, especially as for one of my pairs there is a 4V difference. I will be looking into this.

Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

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