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Re: [Amel] Amel's new website

ladyannila <kanalmamman@...>
 

Imust correct my self, When the first post in this subject arrived,
both me and my husband was checking the wwww.amel.fr and there where
no changes????
The day after when I checked the website from an other PC, the new
website was there. Very strange.

The web site is very nice but they have lost the tradition and
history. Which we think will be bad for the company. It is very hard
to advice someone to visit the web-site now to learn more about the
Amel boats. What about the second market? All those Mangos, Maramus,
Super Maramus and so on, aren't they worth mention any moore.
The Amel yard should be proud over their history.
It would be better to keep the old www.amel.fr and re-name the one
just published as www.amel54.fr

Annsofie

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "ladyannila"
<kanalmamman@...> wrote:

Amels new website???
Well it has been like this for the past three years......

But they do complete the list over former models now and then.

/Ann-Sofie



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jlmertz@" <jlmertz@>
wrote:

I just have a look on there web-site _It's NEW and under
construction_,
I am sure they will add new pages....
jluc
CottonBay

Dave_Benjamin a écrit :

www.amel.fr

They have a new website up. Unfortunately there is less
information
there than on the old one but it is better looking. There is
absolutely nothing about older model Amel's and precious little
information about the 54. So better graphics and less content.
Maybe
they will expand on it a bit.

If anyone needs the old drawings of the Maramu that used to be
on
the
website I have copies on my hard drive.



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Rép. : [Amel] Article on Henri Amel's Mango Special

Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...>
 

Richard,
 
Have you  read the articles published in french, in Voile Magazine in october 2000, no # 58.
One is a  11 page review of  the SM and the other pertains to the use of the  whisker pole, including the peculiar articulaled Carteau design poles for Amels, the articulation of which are dangerous, as they easily break in  20 kn wind with large swells.
I have not spoken to th Yard about it, but i have seen the exterior of at least 10 new 54, and none of them showed the shroud supports for the articulated poles.
 
When i have the time i intend to scan these articles in order to have tese text aboard and if you wish i couldsend them privately to you, as i do not own the copyright and the publisher of the magazine (http://voilesnews.fr/en/accueil.html)  may be offering a reprint service. Send your private e-mail address to sdtremblay@yahoo.ca
 
Serge
Opera, Mango # 51

--- En date de : Sam, 6.12.08, Richard Tate <closereach@yahoo.com> a écrit :

De: Richard Tate <closereach@yahoo.com>
Objet: [Amel] Article on Henri Amel's Mango Special
À: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: samedi 6 Décembre 2008, 8 h 23






I've posted in the FILES section a 13 page scan of a reprint from the
magazine Neptune Nautisme, April 1984, that features information on
the Amel yard and Henri Amel's personal boat, the Mango Special named
Heimana. Look for neptunenautismeapri l1984.zip.

For a more history on Henri Amel and the yard, look at the 1987
Nautical Quarterly scanned article nq-1987-amel. zip.

Richard
SM#5 Spice
















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Article on Henri Amel's Mango Special

Zanareva
 

I've posted in the FILES section a 13 page scan of a reprint from the
magazine Neptune Nautisme, April 1984, that features information on
the Amel yard and Henri Amel's personal boat, the Mango Special named
Heimana. Look for neptunenautismeapril1984.zip.

For a more history on Henri Amel and the yard, look at the 1987
Nautical Quarterly scanned article nq-1987-amel.zip.

Richard
SM#5 Spice


Rép. : [Amel] Mango Water Tank layout help needed

Serge Tremblay <laetitiaii@...>
 

Hi Mel,
 
I beleive i investigated this boat 4 or 5 years ago, was'nt it then named "Marbella"? I checked the USCG registry today, but Mango special, hull no 1, initially named Heimana is no more documented on the USCG registry.
 
If your vessel is the same, it  is a very special Mango, so i cannot suggest that my unit #51 is similar to yours, since Mr Amel and the yard used this personal unit to test a number of alternative setups and equipments. I might add that the woodwork on this unit was remarquable.
 
Mr Sello, the retired After Sale agent at Amel, seemed to know the boat inside out.
Perhaps, Mr Beauté who now replaces Mr Sello, would allow you to try to reach and speak with Mr Sello. Mr Sello has been known to assist Amel owners, even after retirement!
 
If you do not speak french, maybe a French member of this group could intervene on your behalf.
 
Serge,
Opera, mango #51
 


--- En date de : Ven, 5.12.08, davismel2003 <davis@jenobi.com> a écrit :

De: davismel2003 <davis@jenobi.com>
Objet: [Amel] Mango Water Tank layout help needed
À: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: vendredi 5 Décembre 2008, 15 h 49


















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Mango Water Tank layout help needed

davismel2003 <davis@...>
 

Mel Davis - Annie M
Mango Hull #1

We are trying to work out how the water tank layout works in our Mango.
We seem to have 6 tanks (I have a graphic but am not sure how to show
it with this message.
There seems to be 4 tanks under the cabin sole in the main saloon and
two more under the cabin sole in the galley.
Between the two sets of tanks there is an area we do not know what it
is, it may be another tank but there is no lid. This is partly under
the saloon seat in fronot of the gally and partly under the galley
where the sinks are located.
Are all the tanks supposed to be connected? This boat has had extensive
restoration work so there is no guarantee that all things are as they
were when she was originally built.
If anybody would like to see our graphic I could email it or should I
upload it to the Files section? I guess we cannot include files in the
messages?
We have many questions about the boat and are hoping that this group
can help us as your experienec with Amel's is unrivalled.
Thx and Best Wishes
Mel Davis


Re: [Amel] Re: Amel's new website

dlm48@...
 

Well while i think we can agree that the Amel range make excellent Blue Water boats - i am sure that this market does not need to be addressed as the? Amel reputation precedes it - so i would assume Amel are casting their net wider to sell more boats.? As an IT Consultant / Senior Project Manager it is almost impossible to keep web site developers under tight control - doubly so if the client is taken with Flash Animation - i think you can safely say simple good web site design is a highly skilled art sadly as rare as hens teeth now.

Regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Benjamin <dave_benjamin@yahoo.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 7:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Amel's new website

























What I found particularly odd is that they describe the 54 as "Designed for a crew of 4-6 people - seasoned sailors maybe, keen sailors definitely."

I found that under the English language "Amel 54 Spirit" tab. That is perplexing as the whole point behind the Amel ketches has been to produce a bluewater cruising boat easily managed by a couple. I have never been on an Amel larger than the Maramu however it seems that any of them can be easily managed by a couple. I find the Maramu easy enough to singlehand although I prefer to sail with crew.



The Flash animation is overused and in my opinion mildly annoying. The site seems to be under construction still as I see some new stuff on there this morning.



Thanks for the archive link.

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Richard Tate <closereach@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Richard Tate <closereach@yahoo.com>

Subject: [Amel] Re: Amel's new website

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:13 AM



It's hard to believe that Amel is not using it's website to educate



the world about all their innovative features that have really set



them apart over all these years of development and refinement. And



eliminating any mention of previous models isn't a good turn, IMHO.



However the good news is that the Wayback Machine -- located at



www.archive. org -- has indexed and stored the previous www.amel.fr



websites (and virtually every other public website). Just looking at



the Sept. 28, 2007 'snapshot' you'll find the pages showing the



previous Amel models (although only the French language pages preserve



the webpage formatting). The bad news is that higher resolution photos



or documents don't seem to be available.



Richard



SM #5 Spice


Re: [Amel] Re: Amel's new website

Dave_Benjamin
 

What I found particularly odd is that they describe the 54 as "Designed for a crew of 4-6 people - seasoned sailors maybe, keen sailors definitely."
I found that under the English language "Amel 54 Spirit" tab. That is perplexing as the whole point behind the Amel ketches has been to produce a bluewater cruising boat easily managed by a couple. I have never been on an Amel larger than the Maramu however it seems that any of them can be easily managed by a couple. I find the Maramu easy enough to singlehand although I prefer to sail with crew.

The Flash animation is overused and in my opinion mildly annoying. The site seems to be under construction still as I see some new stuff on there this morning.

Thanks for the archive link.

--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Richard Tate <closereach@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Richard Tate <closereach@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Amel's new website
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:13 AM











It's hard to believe that Amel is not using it's website to educate

the world about all their innovative features that have really set

them apart over all these years of development and refinement. And

eliminating any mention of previous models isn't a good turn, IMHO.



However the good news is that the Wayback Machine -- located at

www.archive. org -- has indexed and stored the previous www.amel.fr

websites (and virtually every other public website). Just looking at

the Sept. 28, 2007 'snapshot' you'll find the pages showing the

previous Amel models (although only the French language pages preserve

the webpage formatting). The bad news is that higher resolution photos

or documents don't seem to be available.



Richard

SM #5 Spice


























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Re: [Amel] Re: Insurance and heaving to

dlm48@...
 

OK having crossed the Bay of Biscay in a Benie 50 and getting a severe pasting - in a F9/10 - we sailed on and in hindsight i think we prolonged the agony moving with the storm and not sitting out out or finding a better escape course but hey tis easy to make these sensible decisions safe on dry land.

I am interested in your feedback and your thoughts and your logic in why you hove to rather than take alternative action also what if any alternative action did you consider 'at the time' also if you have hindsight thoughts i would love to hear them too. I also recommended/suggested Pantaenius :-)

thanks in anticipation

kindest regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@melita.net.mt>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:03 pm
Subject: [Amel] Re: Insurance and heaving to

























Hi Bill,

Put insurance in the Group search box for previous postings especially

mine No 3007. We use Pantaenius but have never claimed so cannot

confirm that they are as good as they say they are. They are not

worried about short handed sailing but were not prepared to insure US

registered boats a few years ago but may have changed that policy.



We concur with the posting on heaving to having done it in 50-60 knots

in the Bay of Biscay but we did drift backwards. It is a risky

business if near land as the boat can be moved by wind and current.

Whilst we were in the South Pacific two yachts were lost, one in Fiji

when it dragged anchor and another on South Minerva Reef when the crew

either hove to or did not watch their drift while waiting for

daylight. I assume that they did not leave enough sea room and perhaps

relied on the inaccurate charts. The owner of the one that went

aground in Fiji stripped a lot of gear off it and was going to have a

sale to reduce insurers liability but the Fijian Customs officials

told him that he would have to pay duty based on new costs before

selling so he called off the sale.



We shall be in Aukland/Opua from 12-19 January but it looks as if you

will be back in the States then?



Best wishes, Anne and John SM319



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "svbebe" <yahoogroups@...>

wrote:

Does anyone have any experience with Allianz Yachting and Boating
(UK) Insurance?
Best,
Bill Rouse
s/v BeBe - SM2 #387
Gulf Harbour Marina for Cyclone Season in the South Pacific
Auckland, New Zealand


Re: [Amel] Re: Insurance and heaving to

woods deborah <woodsdeborah_56@...>
 

We currently use Pantaenius and whilst we have had no claims with Orion we have had claims on a previous boat and the service was excellent

Deb and John
Orion1




________________________________
From: Robin Cooter <robincooter@yahoo.co.uk>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 5 December, 2008 14:19:06
Subject: Re: [Amel] Re: Insurance and heaving to


I have two friends who have had major claims with Pantaenius and who have been very satisfied with the high level of service provided.
 
Robin Cooter
Santorin 004 Belouga

--- On Fri, 5/12/08, John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@melita. net.mt> wrote:

From: John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@melita. net.mt>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Insurance and heaving to
To: amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 5 December, 2008, 12:03 PM

Hi Bill,
Put insurance in the Group search box for previous postings especially
mine No 3007. We use Pantaenius but have never claimed so cannot
confirm that they are as good as they say they are. They are not
worried about short handed sailing but were not prepared to insure US
registered boats a few years ago but may have changed that policy.

We concur with the posting on heaving to having done it in 50-60 knots
in the Bay of Biscay but we did drift backwards. It is a risky
business if near land as the boat can be moved by wind and current.
Whilst we were in the South Pacific two yachts were lost, one in Fiji
when it dragged anchor and another on South Minerva Reef when the crew
either hove to or did not watch their drift while waiting for
daylight. I assume that they did not leave enough sea room and perhaps
relied on the inaccurate charts. The owner of the one that went
aground in Fiji stripped a lot of gear off it and was going to have a
sale to reduce insurers liability but the Fijian Customs officials
told him that he would have to pay duty based on new costs before
selling so he called off the sale.

We shall be in Aukland/Opua from 12-19 January but it looks as if you
will be back in the States then?

Best wishes, Anne and John SM319

--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, "svbebe" <yahoogroups@ ...>
wrote:

Does anyone have any experience with Allianz Yachting and Boating
(UK) Insurance?

Best,

Bill Rouse
s/v BeBe - SM2 #387
Gulf Harbour Marina for Cyclone Season in the South Pacific
Auckland, New Zealand
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Re: [Amel] Re: Insurance and heaving to

Robin Cooter <robincooter@...>
 

I have two friends who have had major claims with Pantaenius and who have been very satisfied with the high level of service provided.
 
Robin Cooter
Santorin 004 Belouga

--- On Fri, 5/12/08, John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@melita.net.mt> wrote:

From: John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@melita.net.mt>
Subject: [Amel] Re: Insurance and heaving to
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 5 December, 2008, 12:03 PM






Hi Bill,
Put insurance in the Group search box for previous postings especially
mine No 3007. We use Pantaenius but have never claimed so cannot
confirm that they are as good as they say they are. They are not
worried about short handed sailing but were not prepared to insure US
registered boats a few years ago but may have changed that policy.

We concur with the posting on heaving to having done it in 50-60 knots
in the Bay of Biscay but we did drift backwards. It is a risky
business if near land as the boat can be moved by wind and current.
Whilst we were in the South Pacific two yachts were lost, one in Fiji
when it dragged anchor and another on South Minerva Reef when the crew
either hove to or did not watch their drift while waiting for
daylight. I assume that they did not leave enough sea room and perhaps
relied on the inaccurate charts. The owner of the one that went
aground in Fiji stripped a lot of gear off it and was going to have a
sale to reduce insurers liability but the Fijian Customs officials
told him that he would have to pay duty based on new costs before
selling so he called off the sale.

We shall be in Aukland/Opua from 12-19 January but it looks as if you
will be back in the States then?

Best wishes, Anne and John SM319

--- In amelyachtowners@ yahoogroups. com, "svbebe" <yahoogroups@ ...>
wrote:

Does anyone have any experience with Allianz Yachting and Boating
(UK) Insurance?

Best,

Bill Rouse
s/v BeBe - SM2 #387
Gulf Harbour Marina for Cyclone Season in the South Pacific
Auckland, New Zealand

















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Re: Amel's new website

Zanareva
 

It's hard to believe that Amel is not using it's website to educate
the world about all their innovative features that have really set
them apart over all these years of development and refinement. And
eliminating any mention of previous models isn't a good turn, IMHO.

However the good news is that the Wayback Machine -- located at
www.archive.org -- has indexed and stored the previous www.amel.fr
websites (and virtually every other public website). Just looking at
the Sept. 28, 2007 'snapshot' you'll find the pages showing the
previous Amel models (although only the French language pages preserve
the webpage formatting). The bad news is that higher resolution photos
or documents don't seem to be available.

Richard
SM #5 Spice


Re: Insurance and heaving to

John and Anne on Bali Hai <annejohn@...>
 

Hi Bill,
Put insurance in the Group search box for previous postings especially
mine No 3007. We use Pantaenius but have never claimed so cannot
confirm that they are as good as they say they are. They are not
worried about short handed sailing but were not prepared to insure US
registered boats a few years ago but may have changed that policy.

We concur with the posting on heaving to having done it in 50-60 knots
in the Bay of Biscay but we did drift backwards. It is a risky
business if near land as the boat can be moved by wind and current.
Whilst we were in the South Pacific two yachts were lost, one in Fiji
when it dragged anchor and another on South Minerva Reef when the crew
either hove to or did not watch their drift while waiting for
daylight. I assume that they did not leave enough sea room and perhaps
relied on the inaccurate charts. The owner of the one that went
aground in Fiji stripped a lot of gear off it and was going to have a
sale to reduce insurers liability but the Fijian Customs officials
told him that he would have to pay duty based on new costs before
selling so he called off the sale.

We shall be in Aukland/Opua from 12-19 January but it looks as if you
will be back in the States then?

Best wishes, Anne and John SM319

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "svbebe" <yahoogroups@...>
wrote:

Does anyone have any experience with Allianz Yachting and Boating
(UK) Insurance?

Best,

Bill Rouse
s/v BeBe - SM2 #387
Gulf Harbour Marina for Cyclone Season in the South Pacific
Auckland, New Zealand


Re: [Amel] Amel's new website

ladyannila <kanalmamman@...>
 

Amels new website???
Well it has been like this for the past three years......

But they do complete the list over former models now and then.

/Ann-Sofie



--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "jlmertz@..." <jlmertz@...>
wrote:

I just have a look on there web-site _It's NEW and under
construction_,
I am sure they will add new pages....
jluc
CottonBay

Dave_Benjamin a écrit :

www.amel.fr

They have a new website up. Unfortunately there is less
information
there than on the old one but it is better looking. There is
absolutely nothing about older model Amel's and precious little
information about the 54. So better graphics and less content.
Maybe
they will expand on it a bit.

If anyone needs the old drawings of the Maramu that used to be on
the
website I have copies on my hard drive.



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Santorin jib drive gear box service

Battaglini Ornella Barbara <ornella.battaglini@...>
 

Hello helpful readers,
we just made service to the outhaul of the boom.
Now we would make the same for the jib furler gearbox.
Questions:
1) we need to remove the headstay?
2) Has anyone the jib furler gearbox scheme?
3) Did anyone make service steps photos?
Suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks and fair winds
Ornella
Santorin 122 Earendil


Re: [Amel] Amel's new website

jlmertz@free.fr <jlmertz@...>
 

I just have a look on there web-site _It's NEW and under construction_,
I am sure they will add new pages....
jluc
CottonBay

Dave_Benjamin a écrit :

www.amel.fr

They have a new website up. Unfortunately there is less information
there than on the old one but it is better looking. There is
absolutely nothing about older model Amel's and precious little
information about the 54. So better graphics and less content. Maybe
they will expand on it a bit.

If anyone needs the old drawings of the Maramu that used to be on the
website I have copies on my hard drive.



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Amel's new website

Dave_Benjamin
 

www.amel.fr

They have a new website up. Unfortunately there is less information
there than on the old one but it is better looking. There is
absolutely nothing about older model Amel's and precious little
information about the 54. So better graphics and less content. Maybe
they will expand on it a bit.

If anyone needs the old drawings of the Maramu that used to be on the
website I have copies on my hard drive.


Re: [Amel] Insurance

Dave_Benjamin
 

Friends of mine in the surveying and insurance adjusting business are
not too impressed with Boat US insurance. I use them since the bank
and the marina insist on us having insurance and they are low cost
providers. I think there are some better choices out there if you are
really concerned with getting quality coverage.

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, "BeyersWF" <BeyersWF@...> wrote:

Nope, I use BoatUS and they are great.

Crash

Windrush, '82 Mango hull 29



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbebe
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:44 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Insurance



Does anyone have any experience with Allianz Yachting and Boating
(UK) Insurance?

Best,

Bill Rouse
s/v BeBe - SM2 #387
Gulf Harbour Marina for Cyclone Season in the South Pacific
Auckland, New Zealand







Re: [Amel] Insurance

BeyersWF
 

Nope, I use BoatUS and they are great.

Crash

Windrush, '82 Mango hull 29



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of svbebe
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:44 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel] Insurance



Does anyone have any experience with Allianz Yachting and Boating
(UK) Insurance?

Best,

Bill Rouse
s/v BeBe - SM2 #387
Gulf Harbour Marina for Cyclone Season in the South Pacific
Auckland, New Zealand


Re: [Amel] Heaving to Super maramu

dlm48@...
 

Surely this is obvious IF you are going to heave to 99% times out of 100 that will be because of extreme conditions and you want a rest.? Of course there are other times like arriving overnight at an anchorage that you want to enter in daylight where you might wish to heave to.? But lets say you are sailing in F6/7/8 or more then you wont have a lot of sail up you will be well reefed - with sails set for these conditions - to heave to it is just a matter of tacking without tending to the foresail and adjusting the rudder position to keep the boat at a comfortable angle to the wind and seas. Actually the same will apply to the early arrival situation you dont adjust the sails from what was previously set - except as Bill explained if you are sailing in lighter winds with all or most of the Genoa out you 'may' need to roll away some of the Genoa to ensure that it cant chaff on any part of the boat when heaved to.

regards

David

-----Original Message-----
From: drdavegoodman <drdavegoodman@gmail.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:47 am
Subject: Re: [Amel] Heaving to Super maramu

























Hey Richard

When you say you used a "short" headsail and short main, can you be a

little more specific. For example, did you use a storm headsail over

the regular headsail, or merely use a furled headsail. If furled,

approximately how many rolls, or perhaps what percentage length?

Thanks

Dave


Re: [Amel] Heaving to Super maramu

svbebe <yahoogroups@...>
 

Eric & John,

Let me add one thing to John Martin's explanation...Take care when
doing this with the poles rigged and hung on the rail. When the Genoa
"backwinds," it can chafe against the knuckle of the universal joint
between the short and long poles. The fix is to either remove the
pole, or to furl the Genoa enough to clear the knuckle on the pole.

I learned this the hard way.

Best,

Bill
s/v BeBe
Auckland, New Zealand for Cylone season

--- In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, john martin <symoondog@...> wrote:


Eric, Whatever sails you have up in the wind you have is the right
sails. You are surely reefed down if you want to heave too. Simply
tack the boat over, do not release any sheets. As the bow goes through
the the wind, turn the wheel all the way the other way, lash it down
with a bungee cord,rope,whatever, go get a beer. The boat will make
about 1 1/2 to 2 knots, very quiet and calm. Ask your friend Roberto,
he was with me off the coast of Peru last year when we hove to for 30
hours. John "Moondog" SM 248

To: amelyachtowners@...: kimberlite@...: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:49:28
+0000Subject: [Amel] Heaving to Super maramu



I am wondering how many people have had to heave to in
storm/hurricane force winds and what configuration you used in these
seas?fair windsericsm 376 Kimberlite





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