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Re: Hawse Pipe Replacement
Gary,
On my Santorin the original pipe didn't have a tab on top. The pipe end was cut at an angle to be flush with the underside of the deck and simply glassed to the bottom of the deck with a fillet. It was, indeed, just stubbed about an inch below the deck locker floor with a glass filtet on top of the floor to seal it - nothing on the underside. Flanges will be really tricky because (on the Santorin) the pipe angles forward toward the bow as it goes down from the windlass so you'd have to get the flange angles just right. I should think just fiberglass fillets top and bottom, like Amel's original would do the trick. I plugged up the hawse hole and top of the pipe with some rags inside some plastic wrap to keep resin and filet material from seeping down the inside of the pipe. Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris
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Re: Forward head faucet
seagasm <seagasm@...>
Arlo, most items these days are generally available from hardware outlets for example, https://www.bunnings.com.au/kinetic-chrome-handspray_p4790532 here in Australia and New Zealand. An identical mixer is also available, I think I purchased mine for about $32.00.
Kind Regards Barry & Robyn Tradewinds III SM #171
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Re: Hawse Pipe Replacement
amel46met
The Tab at the top of my galvanized hawse pipe had one of the windlass bolts thru it and encased in fiberglass before it rusted away. I still have to replace the pipe and some of the floor.
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Tom Deasy
S/Y Aphrodite
Maramu 125
On Mar 6, 2019, at 1:44 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:
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Re: Forward head faucet
The brand is Grohe – I seriously doubt if the same model would still be available that was used on the SM. The home industry changes models and styles frequently. The closest they have to day would be Grohtherm 1000. Perhaps the European sites had different models.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia www.creampuff.us
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Behalf Of Arlo
Hello all. I have a 1985 Amel Mango hull # 46. I am looking
to replace the faucet and shower head with a new one. Would like to use the
same model or perhaps one that Amel used on the Super Maramu. Anyone know
what brand and model they are ?
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Re: Special Thanks to Gary Silver and Andrew Lamb
#organize
Aras Grinius <n33077@...>
Kudos to the editors
Sv fiasco
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Re: Forward head faucet
Arlo
Thanks Bill I will check it out. Really appreciate this new platform and all the support you give to the group and me!
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Re: Forward head faucet
Arlo, SM fixtures are made by GROHE. The attached might help you.
On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:01 PM Arlo <svplanb@...> wrote: Hello all. I have a 1985 Amel Mango hull # 46. I am looking to replace the faucet and shower head with a new one. Would like to use the same model or perhaps one that Amel used on the Super Maramu. Anyone know what brand and model they are ?
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Special Thanks to Gary Silver and Andrew Lamb
#organize
All,
Best,
Bill
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Forward head faucet
Arlo
Hello all. I have a 1985 Amel Mango hull # 46. I am looking to replace the faucet and shower head with a new one. Would like to use the same model or perhaps one that Amel used on the Super Maramu. Anyone know what brand and model they are ?
Thanks Arlo
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Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....
Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
And a pvc conduit for wiring from fore to aft in the cockpit locker...
And the air intake to the engine room. And... ? Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Mayaguana, Bahamas
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Re: Hawse Pipe Replacement
James Alton
Gary,
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Perhaps Amel felt that the galvanized hawse would be less likely to corrode the chain due to dissimilar metals? As long as the hawse had zinc left on it, it would help to protect the steel in the chain. The fibreglass pipe idea is interesting to me since it could be made strong and would never corrode. Eliminating the joint between the hawse and the fibreglass on the locker panels joints would be a good thing by keeping water from getting into the plywood at the hawse hole in the event that the caulking failed. The one problem is that fibreglass is not very resistant to chafe and in wearing the pipe down you will have some fibreglass fibers floating around... I am thinking of using the fibreglass pipe idea but adding a replaceable plastic liner. I am thinking of using a more slippery plastic than PVC but it sounds like it it working out well for some and would be a simple solution. I am sure that you could also fashion a new hawse from 316 stainless that would wear well without a liner. Lots of good ideas on the forum. Best, James SV Sueno Maramu #220
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Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....
Thomas Kleman
I'm not planning on glassing the pipe in place as I want the ability to remove it easily. I will use two end flanges; one below the windlass under the deck and one below the floor of the bow locker. That holds it in place and allows removal by taking off the bottom flange.
Had it been installed that way originally I probably wouldn't have this problem. I'm making my access door in the floor of the port bow locker right next to the pipe so I can reach the flange if necessary.
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Hawse Pipe Replacement
Gary Silver
I have created this new thread to carry on the topic of "Hawse Pipe Replacement" that was started in the thread "Bow Locker Floor Replacement". In that thread multiple folks have indicated that they have replaced, or are about to replace, their hawse pipe due to corrosion of the original galvanized pipe. Over the years I have only seen a hand full of areas where Amel "got it wrong" and the floor of the bow lazarettos and using galvanized pipe (instead of stainless steel or some more durable material) for the hawse pipe are two.
This topic is timely for me as I was just considering this project myself (having previously dealt with the floor issue). The suggested materials so far are: Schedule 40 PVC or better yet Schedule 80 PVC pipe. FRP pipe. I had anticipated having a 316L stainless steel pipe fabricated with a flange at the top and bottom. Other than cost, any thoughts on that idea? It appears to me that the original pipe simply passed through the lazarette floor (no flange) and had a "tab" welded at the top, then was glassed in place. Correct? Gary S. Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Puerto Rico
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Hi Warren,
Sorry, I don't recall the exact diameter but it was essentially the same as the original, to the closest US size I could find. It's not too critical since you're glassing in the new one so there's wiggle room. I only took "gee whiz" pictures of the old rotted out tube, but a picture of the finished job may not be very informative since it looks just like the old one (before it rusted out :-) Best, Craig SN68 Sangaris
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Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....
Craig, You might have missed a few, but you named one that I never noticed. AND, I can't say for sure that you missed anything. Best, CW Bill Rouse 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Wed, Mar 6, 2019, 8:42 AM Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote: Olivier,
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Olivier,
That sounds like a fun challenge question - here are my guesses: 1. the pipe down the port side for the steering cables 2. starboard from nav station to aft locker for SSB cables 3. starboard from forward hanging locker to nav station for sonic speed, depth and wind cables 4. in the overhead from galley to mast/boom etc. electrics above head. 5. down aft side of nav station, across floor at bulkhead to engine room for various cables 6. from port seat lazarette to galley for the line that locks the seat cover 7. inside port bow locker up high for running light wires I'm sure I missed a few! Cheers, Craig
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Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....
Beaute Olivier
Hello Thomas, Mark, Bill, Warren, and all happy Amel owners, PVC can be difficult to glass with polyester or epoxy if not correctly prepared. The best way is to sand the place where the GRP will be applied, and degrease it with aceton. Replacing the hawse pipe with PVC or other stiff plastic materials is OK. The only worry indeed is the chain wear inside the tube, so, you should opt for a thick one. There are in fact two master pieces (and several minor pieces) of PVC tubes in your Amel boats, bonded with the hull and deck, and that I never heard of in terms of weakness or delamination. I let you guess what these pieces are. Answer tomorrow. Olivier.
On Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 1:40:59 PM GMT+1, Bill Kinney via Groups.Io <greatketch@...> wrote:
Thomas, PVC is one good choice, another is fiberglass. There is FRP tubing available, and some supplies will sell short pieces cut to length. The advantage of it over PVC is that it can be glassed in easily. Neither epoxy nor polyester resins will reliably stick to PVC, but would bond well with FRP tube. In the unlikely event the chain ever wore through it, it would be easy to patch. Both would be long lasting. You selection might depend on your method of securing it. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Mayaguana, Bahamas
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Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
Thomas,
PVC is one good choice, another is fiberglass. There is FRP tubing available, and some supplies will sell short pieces cut to length. The advantage of it over PVC is that it can be glassed in easily. Neither epoxy nor polyester resins will reliably stick to PVC, but would bond well with FRP tube. In the unlikely event the chain ever wore through it, it would be easy to patch. Both would be long lasting. You selection might depend on your method of securing it. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Mayaguana, Bahamas
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Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....
If memory serves me correctly, I recall PVC not being totally compatible to fiberglass resins and epoxies. I would suggest structural fiberglass tubing as an option.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Santa Marta, Colombia www.creampuff.us
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Behalf Of Warren Traill
Thanks Craig. We have to replace our hawse pipe too. Good information. What diameter of PVC did you use? And could you possibly put up a photo of your finished job? Cheers, Warren Manon2 Sharki#15
From:
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Behalf Of Craig Briggs via Groups.Io
Hello Thomas,
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Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....
Thanks Craig. We have to replace our hawse pipe too. Good information. What diameter of PVC did you use? And could you possibly put up a photo of your finished job? Cheers, Warren Manon2 Sharki#15
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Craig Briggs via Groups.Io
Hello Thomas,
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