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Re: Gross tonnage on SM

 

Heinz,

That is the weight of the vessel, not the GT (Gross Tonnage) or NT Net Tonnage.

Unfortunately, most countries use GT and NT on recreational vessel registration, confusing most of us.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:24 PM heinz@... <heinz@...> wrote:


My sm2000 says 14t netto 16t groß
Fair Winds
Heinz sm2000 292


> Am 13.03.2019 um 11:40 schrieb Ian <parkianj@...>:
>
> Craig
> My Santorin has a big brass plate that says net tonnage is 15 and 1/4 and gross tonnage is 18+. But the spelling is tons.
> I know it refers to capacity, but I don’t know if there is a difference in where it was measured.
> In metric tonnes the Santorin is 10 tonnes.
> I give up !
> Incidentally my Part 1 registration has the boat length at 12.3 metres ( rather than the 14 that it is). It has saved me money several times when a marina has just asked for my registration certificate!
>
> Ian
>
> Ocean Hobo
>
>
>




Re: Gross tonnage on SM

heinz@quetzal.berlin <heinz@...>
 

My sm2000 says 14t netto 16t groß
Fair Winds
Heinz sm2000 292

Am 13.03.2019 um 11:40 schrieb Ian <parkianj@...>:

Craig
My Santorin has a big brass plate that says net tonnage is 15 and 1/4 and gross tonnage is 18+. But the spelling is tons.
I know it refers to capacity, but I don’t know if there is a difference in where it was measured.
In metric tonnes the Santorin is 10 tonnes.
I give up !
Incidentally my Part 1 registration has the boat length at 12.3 metres ( rather than the 14 that it is). It has saved me money several times when a marina has just asked for my registration certificate!

Ian

Ocean Hobo



Re: Gross tonnage on SM

 

Pat,

The terms Gross Tonnage and Net Tonnage are terms that were invented by I believe the British Royal Navy. They are calculated numbers that should tell you how much cargo a vessel is capable of carrying. These terms have little to do with weight of the vessel. 
 
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 7:10 AM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
We checked in yesterday here in Montserrat and were charged ,based on gross tonnage,this has happened on other island as well. I think we are paying more than we should,because I believe our ship papers are wrong. Our papers show gross tonnage to be 58 GRT ,net 46 NRT. That sounds high to me,could someone confirm the correct tonnage?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Gross tonnage on SM

Ian Park
 

Craig
My Santorin has a big brass plate that says net tonnage is 15 and 1/4 and gross tonnage is 18+. But the spelling is tons.
I know it refers to capacity, but I don’t know if there is a difference in where it was measured.
In metric tonnes the Santorin is 10 tonnes.
I give up !
Incidentally my Part 1 registration has the boat length at 12.3 metres ( rather than the 14 that it is). It has saved me money several times when a marina has just asked for my registration certificate!

Ian

Ocean Hobo


Re: Amel Euros 41

 

David,

Welcome to our group! I hope that you enjoy it as much as I do.

I have been thinking about your question and trying to formulate a short easy answer, but regrettably I have failed.

There are so many things to consider like:
  1. The definition of "well cared for." I have been on an Amel that was reportedly "well cared for," but it really was not well cared for...it was abused.
  2. The fact that boat builders didn't really figure out how to combat osmosis until the mid 80s...Amel was the first.
  3. The high probability that over the years and owners, that Amel has been modified, maybe right, maybe wrong
I think that the very best thing that could happen is that you have someone who has owned this vintage of Amel at your side as you inspect the boat. You might be surprised. I have found most members of this group willing to help when they can. Maybe your posting can be a little more forward and get specific about the Amel that you are considering and where it is located. There may be a member of this group with that vintage experience and willing to provide more. There may even be a member who is familiar with that specific Amel.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 4:50 AM DavidS <stalrozenhof@...> wrote:
Hello, I'm new to the forum so i want to appologize if I post in a wrong group.
The question I have is: I am interested in buying an Amel Euros 41, build in 1975, well taking care of for all these years. But I'm curious if there are some specific points that have to be looked after. I have a general idea what to check out but it is a general idea suiting all sailing vessels.

Kind regards,

David


Re: Discharge manifold repair/replacement

 

I think a welder would repair with lead, which will be fine. Be sure to inspect for any other corrosion or electrolysis. And be sure that the copper is unpainted and shiny where the bonding wire connects. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 11:38 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <yafohi@...> wrote:
Bill,

That's the one, and yes mine is connected to the bonding system.

I have no experience using epoxy for repairs but was thinking about taking it to a welder to repair the hole - would this in your opinion be a workable solution?

You mention ordering a new part from SAV@... - sorry, don't know who that is.

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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Discharge manifold repair/replacement

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Bill,

That's the one, and yes mine is connected to the bonding system.

I have no experience using epoxy for repairs but was thinking about taking it to a welder to repair the hole - would this in your opinion be a workable solution?

You mention ordering a new part from SAV@... - sorry, don't know who that is.

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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Gross tonnage on SM

Jamie Wendell
 

Wow Pat that seems really high. I see Bill responded as well, but I can tell you with my Amel 54 my documentation shows 23 and 20 respectively. I would guess the 54 is a bit heavier and probably a bit more voluminous.
So I am surprised either way - maybe I am lucky? I do know that I weigh in at about 47,000 pounds.
Was nice to see you in Les Saintes.
Jamie
Phantom, A54


Re: Discharge manifold repair/replacement

 

Paul,

I think that you are describing the manifold which I circled in red below. If this is what you are describing, I suggest a temporary repair and ordering a new part from SAV@.... For a temporary repair, clean the area of the holel and use 2-part epoxy. I believe that this is a custom part made by Amel and made out of copper. I notice in my photo that it appears to NOT be connected to the Amel Bonding system. If yours is the same and not connected, I suggest connecting it to the nearby ball valve which I see a yellow/green bonding wire attached. Let me know if your copper manifold is NOT connected (bonded).

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Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 10:47 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <yafohi@...> wrote:
Ah, sorry, it's the one that takes the bilge, fridge and water maker discharges.

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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Discharge manifold repair/replacement

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Ah, sorry, it's the one that takes the bilge, fridge and water maker discharges.

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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Discharge manifold repair/replacement

 

Paul,

I am not clear...Volvo, Onan, something else?

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 10:04 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <yafohi@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I have a hole in my water discharge manifold which is currently bound with some bicycle inner tube as a temporary repair. Ideally I'd like to replace it with a stainless one but here in Grenada I cannot find anywhere to get metric stainless tubing. It looks like the existing one is made of brass - can someone confirm? Perhaps I can just get the hole welded up  - any advise on this? I am a bit worried in case the hole gets bigger or others develop as the boat is now 11 years old.

Cheers,
Paul

Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Discharge manifold repair/replacement

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Hi all,

I have a hole in my water discharge manifold which is currently bound with some bicycle inner tube as a temporary repair. Ideally I'd like to replace it with a stainless one but here in Grenada I cannot find anywhere to get metric stainless tubing. It looks like the existing one is made of brass - can someone confirm? Perhaps I can just get the hole welded up  - any advise on this? I am a bit worried in case the hole gets bigger or others develop as the boat is now 11 years old.

Cheers,
Paul

Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Gross tonnage on SM

 
Edited

Pat,

Your SM Gross Tonnage is: 27GRT
Net Tonnage is 24GRT
You should get your Certificate of Documentation changed to below.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 7:10 AM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
We checked in yesterday here in Montserrat and were charged ,based on gross tonnage,this has happened on other island as well. I think we are paying more than we should,because I believe our ship papers are wrong. Our papers show gross tonnage to be 58 GRT ,net 46 NRT. That sounds high to me,could someone confirm the correct tonnage?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....

karkauai
 

Hi Tom,
I cut a trapezoidal opening in the new floor leaving 3” all around.  It’s enough of an opening to work in the chain locker but you’ll still feel cramped.  The floor is solid enough to walk around on without any “give”.
Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:05 AM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

Wow kent- timely message for me. I cut a small access port in the bottom of chain locker grating  where mud accumulates and have covered it with starboard I can remove for periodic vacuuming. But now the key issue- how to I get access to chain locker ? A port cut in the bow locker would have to be fairly big. Does this impact structural strength ? How about making the whole starboard floor float on rubber gasket and screw down ? But remaining fiber glass lip would have to be beefed up to allow for attachment. Thumbscrews ? I need a few days in air conditioning to figure this out and noodle on the ideas of other Amelians.

After reading your post and seeing my locker up close and personal, not having access is not an option for me. I need to know I'm not toting around alot of mud and 600 lbs of rusty chain.


Re: Gross tonnage on SM

Craig Briggs
 
Edited

Pat,
Remember that Gross and Net Tonnage on your Ship's Papers IS NOT weight.  It is a measure of volume of cargo a ship can carry that goes back to setting tax rates on shipping. Net is total less machinery space conceptually, but the formulas are a bit arcane. You can get more info on the USCG or NVDOC web pages, which has an easy way to get an approximate measure.

Yours sounds exactly right - my Santorin, which weights some 22000 pounds, or 11 tons has a Gross Registered Tonnage (GRT) of 31 and 28 Net. Again, Registered Tons are cubic volume, not weight.
Cheers,
Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris


Re: Gross tonnage on SM

Richard Colebatch
 

Patrick,

Sailboat data below.

Rgds
Richard. FAO

Hull Type:
Wing Keel
Rigging Type:
Masthead Ketch
LOA:
52.49 ft
LWL:
41.34 ft
Beam:
15.09 ft
S.A. (reported):
1,302.00 ft2
Draft (max):
6.73 ft
Draft (min):
 
Displacement:
35,274 lb
Ballast:
12,125 lb
S.A./Disp.:
19.45
Bal./Disp.:
34.37
Disp./Len.:
222.89
Construction:
FG
Ballast Type:
Iron
First Built:
1989
Last Built:
1998
# Built:
237
Builder:
Amel (FRA)
Designer:
Henry Amel & J. Carteau
Website:


Re: Maramu anchor and chain suggestions

James Alton
 

Michael,

   Thanks for providing the link for the chain shackle, that looks like a positive way to connect a snubber.    As it turns out I am preparing an order through SVB so this was good timing.  We have always used a snubber since we also consider it to be essential  but I want to have several backups prepared and ready to add if needed.  It seems to be difficult for find Nylon line in Italian Chanderlies for some reason so I will bring more with us on the next trip over.  I have also decided  to try eliminating the original stainless anchor swivel used on my Bugel for the chain to anchor connection also over concerns of it potentially being a weak point though it has never given us a problem.  If I start having problems stowing the anchor due to twists, I will revisit the swivel options but otherwise fewer connections seems like the way to go.

   I think I will go ahead and order the 100m of the 10mm chain and try Tom’s solution to deal with the chain castle problem.  Worst case scenario I can always cut some off if it becomes too much of a problem.

   I just looked again at the weight of 8mm chain and this time what came up was 14kg for 10m.  I might have made a math error or typo in my previous post.

   

Best,

James 
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

    


    

On Mar 13, 2019, at 6:41 AM, amel@... wrote:

Hi James,

yes, I will try out Toms solution. Will need probably some rod to help push the first 20m chain forward in the locker.

As for the chain shackle for the snubber, I am using this one:

https://www.svb24.com/en/chain-gripper-chain-shackle.html

I don't think there will be any chance of it coming loose unexpectedly. I am also using just a standard quality shackle to connect the chain to the anchor. Not a fancy swiveling one. I don't deem those to be necessary and they are a weak point, and you normally cannot check the swivel for corrosion. But opinions differ about this topic.

Using a snubber is always a good idea and I cannot understand the people not using one. Just keep in mind that a snubber has a maximum extension, too. If that is reached in heavy weather you are back to the point where any additional force will reach the anchor unmitigated. But then there is not much else you can do at that point but pray.

I took the 13kg for the 8mm chain from catalog data. I think it might depend on the actual material used.

Michael Konz, SY Sioned, Maramu #148


Gross tonnage on SM

Patrick McAneny
 

We checked in yesterday here in Montserrat and were charged ,based on gross tonnage,this has happened on other island as well. I think we are paying more than we should,because I believe our ship papers are wrong. Our papers show gross tonnage to be 58 GRT ,net 46 NRT. That sounds high to me,could someone confirm the correct tonnage?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Sharki shaft alternator

Aras Grinius <n33077@...>
 

Gerhart,
The red lighting means a lack of rpm on the prop shaft; that the generator is not charging

Aras Grinius
SV Fiasco, Sharki
#163


Re: Maramu anchor and chain suggestions

@Sioned
 

Hi James,

yes, I will try out Toms solution. Will need probably some rod to help push the first 20m chain forward in the locker.

As for the chain shackle for the snubber, I am using this one:

https://www.svb24.com/en/chain-gripper-chain-shackle.html

I don't think there will be any chance of it coming loose unexpectedly. I am also using just a standard quality shackle to connect the chain to the anchor. Not a fancy swiveling one. I don't deem those to be necessary and they are a weak point, and you normally cannot check the swivel for corrosion. But opinions differ about this topic.

Using a snubber is always a good idea and I cannot understand the people not using one. Just keep in mind that a snubber has a maximum extension, too. If that is reached in heavy weather you are back to the point where any additional force will reach the anchor unmitigated. But then there is not much else you can do at that point but pray.

I took the 13kg for the 8mm chain from catalog data. I think it might depend on the actual material used.

Michael Konz, SY Sioned, Maramu #148