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Re: Gross tonnage on SM
Patrick McAneny
I should have mentioned that I knew tonnage was not the weight of the boat ,but a volume measurement . Still it seemed high and apparently that is the case and I will have it changed. Thanks for the correct numbers.
Pat SM Shenanigans
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Re: Amel Martinique Rally Update...ya'll come
Peter, I have you confirmed. Thanks, you will enjoy it.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:41 PM Peter godwin via Groups.Io <pierre467=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Amel Martinique Rally Update...ya'll come
Peter godwin
Hi Bill
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Please add Borador to your confirmed list Best Peter Godwin
On 14 Feb 2019, at 00:02, Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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Re: Gross tonnage on SM
Heinz, That is the weight of the vessel, not the GT (Gross Tonnage) or NT Net Tonnage. Unfortunately, most countries use GT and NT on recreational vessel registration, confusing most of us.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 3:24 PM heinz@... <heinz@...> wrote:
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Re: Gross tonnage on SM
heinz@quetzal.berlin <heinz@...>
My sm2000 says 14t netto 16t groß
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Fair Winds Heinz sm2000 292
Am 13.03.2019 um 11:40 schrieb Ian <parkianj@gmail.com>:
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Re: Gross tonnage on SM
Pat, The terms Gross Tonnage and Net Tonnage are terms that were invented by I believe the British Royal Navy. They are calculated numbers that should tell you how much cargo a vessel is capable of carrying. These terms have little to do with weight of the vessel.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 7:10 AM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote: We checked in yesterday here in Montserrat and were charged ,based on gross tonnage,this has happened on other island as well. I think we are paying more than we should,because I believe our ship papers are wrong. Our papers show gross tonnage to be 58 GRT ,net 46 NRT. That sounds high to me,could someone confirm the correct tonnage?
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Re: Gross tonnage on SM
Ian Park
Craig
My Santorin has a big brass plate that says net tonnage is 15 and 1/4 and gross tonnage is 18+. But the spelling is tons. I know it refers to capacity, but I don’t know if there is a difference in where it was measured. In metric tonnes the Santorin is 10 tonnes. I give up ! Incidentally my Part 1 registration has the boat length at 12.3 metres ( rather than the 14 that it is). It has saved me money several times when a marina has just asked for my registration certificate! Ian Ocean Hobo
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Re: Amel Euros 41
David, Welcome to our group! I hope that you enjoy it as much as I do. I have been thinking about your question and trying to formulate a short easy answer, but regrettably I have failed. There are so many things to consider like:
I think that the very best thing that could happen is that you have someone who has owned this vintage of Amel at your side as you inspect the boat. You might be surprised. I have found most members of this group willing to help when they can. Maybe your posting can be a little more forward and get specific about the Amel that you are considering and where it is located. There may be a member of this group with that vintage experience and willing to provide more. There may even be a member who is familiar with that specific Amel.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 4:50 AM DavidS <stalrozenhof@...> wrote: Hello, I'm new to the forum so i want to appologize if I post in a wrong group.
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Re: Discharge manifold repair/replacement
I think a welder would repair with lead, which will be fine. Be sure to inspect for any other corrosion or electrolysis. And be sure that the copper is unpainted and shiny where the bonding wire connects. Best, CW Bill Rouse 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 11:38 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <yafohi@...> wrote: Bill,
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Re: Discharge manifold repair/replacement
Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Bill,
That's the one, and yes mine is connected to the bonding system. I have no experience using epoxy for repairs but was thinking about taking it to a welder to repair the hole - would this in your opinion be a workable solution? You mention ordering a new part from SAV@... - sorry, don't know who that is. -- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: Gross tonnage on SM
Jamie Wendell
Wow Pat that seems really high. I see Bill responded as well, but I can tell you with my Amel 54 my documentation shows 23 and 20 respectively. I would guess the 54 is a bit heavier and probably a bit more voluminous.
So I am surprised either way - maybe I am lucky? I do know that I weigh in at about 47,000 pounds. Was nice to see you in Les Saintes. Jamie Phantom, A54
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Re: Discharge manifold repair/replacement
Paul, I think that you are describing the manifold which I circled in red below. If this is what you are describing, I suggest a temporary repair and ordering a new part from SAV@.... For a temporary repair, clean the area of the holel and use 2-part epoxy. I believe that this is a custom part made by Amel and made out of copper. I notice in my photo that it appears to NOT be connected to the Amel Bonding system. If yours is the same and not connected, I suggest connecting it to the nearby ball valve which I see a yellow/green bonding wire attached. Let me know if your copper manifold is NOT connected (bonded).
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 10:47 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <yafohi@...> wrote: Ah, sorry, it's the one that takes the bilge, fridge and water maker discharges.
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Re: Discharge manifold repair/replacement
Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Ah, sorry, it's the one that takes the bilge, fridge and water maker discharges.
-- Cheers Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: Discharge manifold repair/replacement
Paul, I am not clear...Volvo, Onan, something else?
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 10:04 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <yafohi@...> wrote: Hi all,
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Discharge manifold repair/replacement
Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
Hi all,
I have a hole in my water discharge manifold which is currently bound with some bicycle inner tube as a temporary repair. Ideally I'd like to replace it with a stainless one but here in Grenada I cannot find anywhere to get metric stainless tubing. It looks like the existing one is made of brass - can someone confirm? Perhaps I can just get the hole welded up - any advise on this? I am a bit worried in case the hole gets bigger or others develop as the boat is now 11 years old. Cheers, Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: Gross tonnage on SM
Pat, Your SM Gross Tonnage is: 27GRT Net Tonnage is 24GRT You should get your Certificate of Documentation changed to below. Best, CW Bill Rouse 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 7:10 AM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote: We checked in yesterday here in Montserrat and were charged ,based on gross tonnage,this has happened on other island as well. I think we are paying more than we should,because I believe our ship papers are wrong. Our papers show gross tonnage to be 58 GRT ,net 46 NRT. That sounds high to me,could someone confirm the correct tonnage?
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Re: Bow locker floor replacement.....
Hi Tom,
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I cut a trapezoidal opening in the new floor leaving 3” all around. It’s enough of an opening to work in the chain locker but you’ll still feel cramped. The floor is solid enough to walk around on without any “give”. Kent S/V Kristy SM 243
On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:05 AM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:
Wow kent- timely message for me. I cut a small access port in the bottom of chain locker grating where mud accumulates and have covered it with starboard I can remove for periodic vacuuming. But now the key issue- how to I get access to chain locker ? A port cut in the bow locker would have to be fairly big. Does this impact structural strength ? How about making the whole starboard floor float on rubber gasket and screw down ? But remaining fiber glass lip would have to be beefed up to allow for attachment. Thumbscrews ? I need a few days in air conditioning to figure this out and noodle on the ideas of other Amelians. After reading your post and seeing my locker up close and personal, not having access is not an option for me. I need to know I'm not toting around alot of mud and 600 lbs of rusty chain.
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Re: Gross tonnage on SM
Pat,
Remember that Gross and Net Tonnage on your Ship's Papers IS NOT weight. It is a measure of volume of cargo a ship can carry that goes back to setting tax rates on shipping. Net is total less machinery space conceptually, but the formulas are a bit arcane. You can get more info on the USCG or NVDOC web pages, which has an easy way to get an approximate measure. Yours sounds exactly right - my Santorin, which weights some 22000 pounds, or 11 tons has a Gross Registered Tonnage (GRT) of 31 and 28 Net. Again, Registered Tons are cubic volume, not weight. Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris
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Re: Gross tonnage on SM
Richard Colebatch
Patrick,
Sailboat data below. Rgds Richard. FAO Hull Type:
Wing Keel
Rigging Type:
Masthead Ketch
LOA:
52.49 ft
LWL:
41.34 ft
Beam:
15.09 ft
S.A. (reported):
1,302.00 ft2
Draft (max):
6.73 ft
Draft (min):
Displacement:
35,274 lb
Ballast:
12,125 lb
S.A./Disp.:
19.45
Bal./Disp.:
34.37
Disp./Len.:
222.89
Construction:
FG
Ballast Type:
Iron
First Built:
1989
Last Built:
1998
# Built:
237
Builder:
Amel (FRA)
Designer:
Henry Amel & J. Carteau
Website:
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Re: Maramu anchor and chain suggestions
James Alton
Michael,
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Thanks for providing the link for the chain shackle, that looks like a positive way to connect a snubber. As it turns out I am preparing an order through SVB so this was good timing. We have always used a snubber since we also consider it to be essential but I want to have several backups prepared and ready to add if needed. It seems to be difficult for find Nylon line in Italian Chanderlies for some reason so I will bring more with us on the next trip over. I have also decided to try eliminating the original stainless anchor swivel used on my Bugel for the chain to anchor connection also over concerns of it potentially being a weak point though it has never given us a problem. If I start having problems stowing the anchor due to twists, I will revisit the swivel options but otherwise fewer connections seems like the way to go. I think I will go ahead and order the 100m of the 10mm chain and try Tom’s solution to deal with the chain castle problem. Worst case scenario I can always cut some off if it becomes too much of a problem. I just looked again at the weight of 8mm chain and this time what came up was 14kg for 10m. I might have made a math error or typo in my previous post. Best, James SV Sueno Maramu #220
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