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Re: Paying for our group through Advertising
Agree with below.
I also would have no problem chipping in but that is now and maybe a only group of us willing to do so. We don’t know what happens 5 or 10 years down the road; although Bill paid for the next 5 years 😊.
As far as the revenue: I leave that up to the guys now managing the site. They are capable enough; no need for me to micromanage in addition to managing/maintaining my boat.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128 NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA
March 19, 2019 08:44:48
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 08:12 To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Paying for our group through Advertising
I think most you that answer NO are answering NO to advertising.
That is not the POLL.
The Poll is advertising on a banner at the top of the help page (Wiki) only and that revenue going to the cost of groups.io.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 10:09 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
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On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 10:09 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Paying for our group through Advertising
I tried to write the Poll as something that would be general and the vote would be to do it or not, rather than a vote on which supplier should be allowed. The group needs runway and stability rather than pitching in here by one or more members. I suggested the Wiki because you only see that page when you click on it for help.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:39 AM Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:
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Re: Lee Sails or equivalent
Miles
I have also had two sails made by Q-Sails in Hydranet for my SM, and I am very pleased with them after 5000 miles.
And back in the US, I have a Q-Sails new main for a Maramu. The sail belongs to Q-Sails and I have it due to a series of errors and customs fees difficulties. If anyone is interested in a new Hydranet sail, please contact me or Q-Sails directly. I hate see a lovely sail going to waste in my basement.
Regards to all,
Miles B S/Y Ladybug, sm 216 Le Marin, Martinique
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Re: Paying for our group through Advertising
Rink De Haan
I agree with Craig. Willing to pay to keep the site running.
Cheers
Rink de Haan
SM2k #330
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Van: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io namens Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...>
Hi Bill,Verzonden: dinsdag, maart 19, 2019 3:31 PM Aan: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Onderwerp: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Paying for our group through Advertising I voted "no", only because "ambivalent" was not a choice, but would appreciate a bit more info. Seems a pretty limited audience for advertising, albeit possibly an audience that is ripe-for-pickin' and therefore attractive to the advertiser. I do wonder about the ongoing value, however, especially after a few months of the same vendor splashing out on a big piece of the website page - seems it could quickly become "ho-hum" and then annoying. How much are we talking - I'd be happy to chip in to keep the site clean, and I suspect others would, too. Who is the advertiser (not sure that needs to be confidential, but you may be). Craig Briggs SN68 SANGARIS
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Hi Bill,
I voted "no", only because "ambivalent" was not a choice, but would appreciate a bit more info. Seems a pretty limited audience for advertising, albeit possibly an audience that is ripe-for-pickin' and therefore attractive to the advertiser. I do wonder about the ongoing value, however, especially after a few months of the same vendor splashing out on a big piece of the website page - seems it could quickly become "ho-hum" and then annoying. How much are we talking - I'd be happy to chip in to keep the site clean, and I suspect others would, too. Who is the advertiser (not sure that needs to be confidential, but you may be). Craig Briggs SN68 SANGARIS
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Paying for our group through Advertising
Our Amel Yacht Owners Group is hosted on the Groups.io platform. I pay an annual cost for this, which I agreed to cover for 5 years. We were approached by a supplier that many of us have used. This supplier wants to advertise in our group. Almost 30 of us have used this supplier. We are considering allowing this supplier to advertise on the header of the Wiki page. Click on Wiki to view the area.
I quoted this supplier a fee that is equal to the annual cost that is due to Groups.io for hosting our group, We would only have one supplier advertising and the location of the advertising would be on the Wiki, which is also known as the help page. Please let us know your feelings on this. Bill Rouse
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Re: Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank
#Wiki
Hi Herbert,
Joel's advice is, as always, spot on for a professional fuel polishing service and a tank fabricator/repairer to install access ports. Here's a product I came across as an alternative, should you want to go DIY. Seabuilt Access Plate System. Looks like a great design with a folding inner plate to make installation very easy. I've got it on my "in-a-while-pile". Craig SN68
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Re: Dual Pre Filters for Fuel
Alan "Woody" Wood
On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 08:07 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre wrote:
Jean-Pierre, did you mean the 75/500?
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Alan "Woody" Wood
Thanks for that Joel.. is this the model you mean..?
https://www.asap-supplies.com/parker-racor-500fg-duplex-diesel-fuel-filter?cid=1721495430&adgpid=70090925480&itemid=&targid=pla-58909107986&mt=&loc=1006886&ntwk=u&dev=c&dmod=&adp=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMItIKc4ZiO4QIV4b3tCh0MSgNjEAYYASABEgKxT_D_BwE If mounted higher does that mean any fuel in the tank below the filter will basically be redundant without the use of an electric pump? Would it be advisable to add an extra priming pump you think? Cheers Woody #mothershipadrift
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JEFFREY KRAUS
I second the Q sails recommendation.
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When I replaced my headsail furler, I had a rigger from a respected sailmaking company aboard to help with the installation. He was quite impressed with the workmanship and the price. Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14
On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 04:29 PM, Ian Townsend wrote:
We've been very happy with our new TriRadial Cut Pro Radial Genoa made by Q Sails, part of Bill's Yacht School discount program. Great product and an even better price.
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Re: Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank
#Wiki
Gary Silver
Hi Herbert:
don't know if this will help but here is a picture of the two ports (factory installed) on my Super Maramu. I also wanted you to know that I sailed out of Golfito Costa Rica aboard the offshore sail training ship Alaska Eagle in 1996 (Golfito to Clipperton Atoll to San Diego). That trip set me on the hunt for an offshore boat that landed me in the hands of Joel Potter, Jean Jacque Lemonair, and Olivier Beaute and taking possession of our boat Liahona (SM 2000 #335) in LaRochelle in 2001. Hope you can sort out your fuel problem. All the best, Gary S. Silver
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Re: Lee Sails or equivalent
Massimo Vecchietti
I had a complete set of sails for my old Maramu with great satisfaction and now for my SM I have Lee sail mainsail,mizzen, genoa and gennaker and I am very satisfied too. Max SM Patchouli II n° 84
Il giorno mar 19 mar 2019 alle ore 02:43 James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2=aol.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
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James Alton
Miles,
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I have had two sails made by Q-Sails in Hydranet. The pricing and communication is excellent. The quality is plenty good for cruising and the sails were heavily reinforced. We plan to order 2 more sails next season from Q-Sails to complete our inventory. Best, James SV Sueno Maramu #220
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smiles bernard
Thanks very much all
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Sounds like I might try a few alternatives to Lee Craig - yes I did mean uk manufactured. The quote was from Crusader who I think are good and made out as yet unused new Genoa. Thanks for the tip about ‘Uk sailmakers’ I’ll drop them a line Many thanks Miles
On 18 Mar 2019, at 17:24, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:
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Re: Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank
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James Alton
Herbert,
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I concur with Joels advice RE the professional tank cleaning. I am however concerned about the quantity of water that you have removed from your filters, especially given that you have been filtering your fuel. That seems like way too much for condensation. I am not sure of where the tank fill is on the Santorin but I would suggest having a good look at your tank fill O-ring to be sure that it is in top shape. I replace the O-ring on my tank fill every couple of years and also apply some grease to the O-ring to further improve the seal. As a simple test for leakage, you can carefully insert some dry paper towel into the fill, install the cap in the normal way, wet the tank fill with a pressurized hose, remove the cap and check to see if there is any water soaked into the paper towels. Just be super careful that you don’t lose the towels down the fill with this test. The tank vent can also be a potential source of water, if the fuel fill seems fine, I would have a look at the vent. Best of luck. I hope that you find the source of the water in your fuel and can get the tank cleaned. James SV Sueno Maramu #220
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Re: Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank
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Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Herbert, been there. We fueled in the Galapagos and were in no wind after a couple of days. We motored for a few hours and the perspex bowl at the bottom of the raor was full of water. We stopped the engine and drained the water and replaced both the racor and the on engine filter. The racor had stopped all the water.There was no water in the second filter. Started up and in short order there was water in the racor bowl again. Being mid Pacific and lacking options we drained it and carried on. Kept a careful eye on it and drained the water before the glass was full. Did this several times and eventually the water stopped. Clearly we had got water in our fuel in the Galapagos The racor let no water through and we had no further problems. Since the racor on first inspection had stopped all the water I felt confident in this approach. Important to catch it before the racor bowl was overfull. Made it from there to NZ through all sorts of conditions with no problems. Been a fan of Racors ever since. They did the job they were there to do. I have two. One services the engine, the other the gen set. Kind Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 19 March 2019 at 10:42 Herbert Lackner <herbert@...> wrote:
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Re: Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank
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amelforme
In most areas with a large yachting presence and commercial fishing fleets, one can usually find commercial tank cleaning/fuel polishing contractors who also have the capability or the resources elsewhere to put access ports in the fuel tanks. You could start out by seeking the tank cleaning/fuel polishing service providers and asking them where you can find an experienced tradesman who can add access ports. You will need at least two and you can be guided by the marks made on the tank exterior where the internal baffles were welded. I am not near the sea today so perhaps someone could take a photo and post it here of a late model Super Maramu tank top with the access ports as done by Amel. Early series SM 53 also did not have access ports in the fuel tanks until about 1997, but I am not sure of the actual date these ports were incorporated. Make sure the ports are big enough to allow access to the entire interior of the tanks in order to perform a complete cleaning of all internal surfaces. Otherwise, any biologic material will just regenerate and start the ugly cycle all over again.
Hope this helps you, Joel
JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C. THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE Office 954-462-5869 Cell 954-812-2485
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Re: Easy way to access the Amel Yacht Owners Group has been provided and paid for by longtime member.
rossirossix4
Hi,
You are welcome. For years we pointed the domain AmelOwnersGroup.com to the old site. It, along with AmelYachtOwnersGroup.com is now pointed to the new site. Data (on the old site) showed monthly "hits" in the hundreds each month, so we knew many owners were using it. We will keep AmelOwnerGroup.com active for another year at least and AmelYachtOwnersGroup.com indefinitely. It is a very, very small price to pay for what has been an outstanding resource. Let me be a bit sentimental. Before we bought our first Amel, a Santorin 16 years ago, I spent countless hours scouring the group for information about the reality of owning and operating an Amel and was thoroughly and I mean completely convinced that the Amel was a safe, well thought out cruising boat with minimal maintenance problems and good access to fix anything that needed to be fixed. I'm happy to report that this indeed has been the case. But...our first real introduction to the Amel World (around 30+ years ago) was through the highly informative and well written ads by Joel Potter that appeared in Cruising World (along with other sailing magazines). Joel did an amazing job of thoughtfully conveying just how good a boat these Amels were and I give him full credit for initiating our interest in these great boats. Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI Super Maramu 429 Currently anchored in Fort-de-France and about to go over to dinner with newer Amel owners Paul and Lorraine on SM Maracuya
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Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank
#Wiki
Herbert Lackner
Hi Amelians,
just started to cross the pacific, after three days without wind, lot of waves and using the engine the water separator and the racor filter have been full of brown water. I cleaned it several times, after an hour it was always full again. I put out maybe 2 liters of brown ugly dirty water and we decided to sail back to Costa Rica to fix that. Up to now I never had any drop of water in the water separator, checked this once a year. We always fill up using a water-filter so it might be condensed water. After changing and cleaning several times now (in shallow water) no dirt comes out, but there might be some more in the tank that is waiting for the next waves. I do not know what the problem is, I assume that the water is there already since some time, but only when motoring in heavy seas (what we have not done for a long time) it was "shaked" and mixed with the clean diesel. When we refueled in Golfito I added some Biozid, maybe this "killed" the bacteria and created the dirt... Our Santorin has no service port for the diesel tank (for me that is a design issue...), so cleaning needs some creativity. Had anyone the same problem, how did you solve that? How to clean the tank to get all the dirt out without service port? Did anyone add a service port? thx, herbert, SN120, KALI MERA Costa Rica (again)
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