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The Poll Results so far Re: Paying for our group through Advertising

CW Bill Rouse
 

The Poll Results so far are 88% Yes, 12%, No

I apologize that I did not set the results as visible. I tried to modify the Poll, but do not seem to have that option.
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Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
Re: Dual Pre Filters for Fuel

amelforme
 

Glad to help Woody. That’s the one and I have seen it installed on the majority of SM 53’s and 54’s that have Racor dual filters. Some folks go larger, like the 900 and 1000 series for the much larger/able to stop more crud without blockage filter media but I think it is a bit of overkill to go larger.

The longer you own your Amel, the more inclined you will be not to change things. Amel gets it right way more often than they don’t. Leave the filters mounted low so head pressure on a near empty tank will be enough to ‘flood’ the filters and make priming/bleeding easy. Electric lift pumps that get used a time or two fail often and then you are in a bit of a pickle. Everything on a boat needs two things, maintenance AND exercise.  Try it the way Amel designed it and change it only after you have serviced the filters several times. I’m betting you won’t.

By the way although I am a salesman, I have owned three new Amel’s in my name and had several more provided to me by the Amel Shipyard, all used as demonstration boats for the North American market. I know the boats well and performed all the service on them that did not require a specialist. Part of the fun, actually.

 

Hope this is helpful and enjoy your Amel

 

          JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan "Woody" Wood
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 8:36 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dual Pre Filters for Fuel

 

Thanks for that Joel.. is this the model you mean..?

https://www.asap-supplies.com/parker-racor-500fg-duplex-diesel-fuel-filter?cid=1721495430&adgpid=70090925480&itemid=&targid=pla-58909107986&mt=&loc=1006886&ntwk=u&dev=c&dmod=&adp=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMItIKc4ZiO4QIV4b3tCh0MSgNjEAYYASABEgKxT_D_BwE

If mounted higher does that mean any fuel in the tank below the filter will basically be redundant without the use of an electric pump? Would it be advisable to add an extra priming pump you think?

Cheers
Woody
#mothershipadrift

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James Alton
 

Bill,

   I don’t object to Wiki advertising in the area shown at the top of the help page and will place my vote accordingly.  I would however be against adding any kind of pop up ads or any other type of advertising of that nature.  If this idea is voted down by the group, I am interested in directly helping to support the cost of running the forum so long as the amount is not a large amount.

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Mar 19, 2019, at 11:12 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

I think most you that answer NO are answering NO to advertising.

That is not the POLL.

The Poll is advertising on a banner at the top of the help page (Wiki) only and that revenue going to the cost of groups.io.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 10:09 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I tried to write the Poll as something that would be general and the vote would be to do it or not, rather than a vote on which supplier should be allowed.

The group needs runway and stability rather than pitching in here by one or more members.

I suggested the Wiki because you only see that page when you click on it for help.


Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:39 AM Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:
I agree with Craig. Willing to pay to keep the site running.

Cheers 
Rink de Haan
SM2k #330
Greece

 
Van: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io namens Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io>
Verzonden: dinsdag, maart 19, 2019 3:31 PM
Aan: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Paying for our group through Advertising
 
Hi Bill,
I voted "no", only because "ambivalent" was not a choice, but would appreciate a bit more info.  
Seems a pretty limited audience for advertising, albeit possibly an audience that is ripe-for-pickin' and therefore attractive to the advertiser. I do wonder about the ongoing value, however, especially after a few months of the same vendor splashing out on a big piece of the website page - seems it could quickly become "ho-hum" and then annoying. 
How much are we talking - I'd be happy to chip in to keep the site clean, and I suspect others would, too. 
Who is the advertiser (not sure that needs to be confidential, but you may be).
Craig Briggs SN68 SANGARIS
sailing from Martinique to Newport

Miles
 

Hello Amelians, past Amelians, and future Amelians.
On 31 May, I intend to sail my Amel SM, Ladybug, back to Newport, RI from Le Marin, Martinique.  I am looking for one or two crew to join me. 
I watched the boat being built in 1998.  I have sailed it about 60,000 miles.  It is in perfect condition.
Please contact me if you are interested.  milesbid@... 
Regards,
Miles  S/Y Ladybug, sm216, Le Marin, Martinique
locked Re: Paying for our group through Advertising

Teun BAAS
 

Agree with below.

 

I also would have no problem chipping in but that is now and maybe a only group of us willing to do so.

We don’t know what happens 5 or 10 years down the road; although Bill paid for the next 5 years 😊.

 

As far as the revenue: I leave that up to the guys now managing the site. They are capable enough; no need for me to micromanage in addition to managing/maintaining my boat.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT A54 #128

NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA

 

March 19, 2019 08:44:48

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 08:12
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Paying for our group through Advertising

 

I think most you that answer NO are answering NO to advertising.

 

That is not the POLL.

 

The Poll is advertising on a banner at the top of the help page (Wiki) only and that revenue going to the cost of groups.io.

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St.

Galveston, Texas 77550

832-380-4970

 

 

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 10:09 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I tried to write the Poll as something that would be general and the vote would be to do it or not, rather than a vote on which supplier should be allowed.

 

The group needs runway and stability rather than pitching in here by one or more members.

 

I suggested the Wiki because you only see that page when you click on it for help.

 

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St.

Galveston, Texas 77550

832-380-4970

 

 

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:39 AM Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:

I agree with Craig. Willing to pay to keep the site running.

 

Cheers

Rink de Haan

SM2k #330

Greece

 

 

Van: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io namens Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io>
Verzonden: dinsdag, maart 19, 2019 3:31 PM
Aan: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Paying for our group through Advertising

 

Hi Bill,
I voted "no", only because "ambivalent" was not a choice, but would appreciate a bit more info. 
Seems a pretty limited audience for advertising, albeit possibly an audience that is ripe-for-pickin' and therefore attractive to the advertiser. I do wonder about the ongoing value, however, especially after a few months of the same vendor splashing out on a big piece of the website page - seems it could quickly become "ho-hum" and then annoying.
How much are we talking - I'd be happy to chip in to keep the site clean, and I suspect others would, too.
Who is the advertiser (not sure that needs to be confidential, but you may be).
Craig Briggs SN68 SANGARIS

locked Re: Paying for our group through Advertising

CW Bill Rouse
 

I think most you that answer NO are answering NO to advertising.

That is not the POLL.

The Poll is advertising on a banner at the top of the help page (Wiki) only and that revenue going to the cost of groups.io.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 10:09 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I tried to write the Poll as something that would be general and the vote would be to do it or not, rather than a vote on which supplier should be allowed.

The group needs runway and stability rather than pitching in here by one or more members.

I suggested the Wiki because you only see that page when you click on it for help.


Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:39 AM Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:
I agree with Craig. Willing to pay to keep the site running.

Cheers
Rink de Haan
SM2k #330
Greece

 
Van: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io namens Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io>
Verzonden: dinsdag, maart 19, 2019 3:31 PM
Aan: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Paying for our group through Advertising
 
Hi Bill,
I voted "no", only because "ambivalent" was not a choice, but would appreciate a bit more info. 
Seems a pretty limited audience for advertising, albeit possibly an audience that is ripe-for-pickin' and therefore attractive to the advertiser. I do wonder about the ongoing value, however, especially after a few months of the same vendor splashing out on a big piece of the website page - seems it could quickly become "ho-hum" and then annoying.
How much are we talking - I'd be happy to chip in to keep the site clean, and I suspect others would, too.
Who is the advertiser (not sure that needs to be confidential, but you may be).
Craig Briggs SN68 SANGARIS

locked Re: Paying for our group through Advertising

CW Bill Rouse
 

I tried to write the Poll as something that would be general and the vote would be to do it or not, rather than a vote on which supplier should be allowed.

The group needs runway and stability rather than pitching in here by one or more members.

I suggested the Wiki because you only see that page when you click on it for help.


Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 9:39 AM Rink De Haan <rinkdehaan@...> wrote:
I agree with Craig. Willing to pay to keep the site running.

Cheers
Rink de Haan
SM2k #330
Greece

 
Van: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io namens Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io>
Verzonden: dinsdag, maart 19, 2019 3:31 PM
Aan: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Paying for our group through Advertising
 
Hi Bill,
I voted "no", only because "ambivalent" was not a choice, but would appreciate a bit more info. 
Seems a pretty limited audience for advertising, albeit possibly an audience that is ripe-for-pickin' and therefore attractive to the advertiser. I do wonder about the ongoing value, however, especially after a few months of the same vendor splashing out on a big piece of the website page - seems it could quickly become "ho-hum" and then annoying.
How much are we talking - I'd be happy to chip in to keep the site clean, and I suspect others would, too.
Who is the advertiser (not sure that needs to be confidential, but you may be).
Craig Briggs SN68 SANGARIS

Re: Lee Sails or equivalent

Miles
 

I have also had two sails made by Q-Sails in Hydranet for my SM, and I am very pleased with them after 5000 miles. 

 

And back in the US, I have a Q-Sails new main for a Maramu.  The sail belongs to Q-Sails and I have it due to a series of errors and customs fees difficulties.  If anyone is interested in a new Hydranet sail, please contact me or Q-Sails directly.  I hate see a lovely sail going to waste in my basement.

 

Regards to all,

 

Miles B  S/Y Ladybug, sm 216 Le Marin, Martinique
locked Re: Paying for our group through Advertising

Rink De Haan
 

I agree with Craig. Willing to pay to keep the site running.

Cheers
Rink de Haan
SM2k #330
Greece

 
Van: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io namens Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...>
Verzonden: dinsdag, maart 19, 2019 3:31 PM
Aan: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Paying for our group through Advertising
 
Hi Bill,
I voted "no", only because "ambivalent" was not a choice, but would appreciate a bit more info. 
Seems a pretty limited audience for advertising, albeit possibly an audience that is ripe-for-pickin' and therefore attractive to the advertiser. I do wonder about the ongoing value, however, especially after a few months of the same vendor splashing out on a big piece of the website page - seems it could quickly become "ho-hum" and then annoying.
How much are we talking - I'd be happy to chip in to keep the site clean, and I suspect others would, too.
Who is the advertiser (not sure that needs to be confidential, but you may be).
Craig Briggs SN68 SANGARIS

locked Re: Paying for our group through Advertising

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Bill,
I voted "no", only because "ambivalent" was not a choice, but would appreciate a bit more info. 
Seems a pretty limited audience for advertising, albeit possibly an audience that is ripe-for-pickin' and therefore attractive to the advertiser. I do wonder about the ongoing value, however, especially after a few months of the same vendor splashing out on a big piece of the website page - seems it could quickly become "ho-hum" and then annoying.
How much are we talking - I'd be happy to chip in to keep the site clean, and I suspect others would, too.
Who is the advertiser (not sure that needs to be confidential, but you may be).
Craig Briggs SN68 SANGARIS
locked Paying for our group through Advertising

CW Bill Rouse
 
Edited

Our Amel Yacht Owners Group is hosted on the Groups.io platform. I pay an annual cost for this, which I agreed to cover for 5 years. We were approached by a supplier that many of us have used. This supplier wants to advertise in our group. Almost 30 of us have used this supplier. We are considering allowing this supplier to advertise on the header of the Wiki page. Click on Wiki to view the area. 

I quoted this supplier a fee that is equal to the annual cost that is due to Groups.io for hosting our group, We would only have one supplier advertising and the location of the advertising would be on the Wiki, which is also known as the help page.

Please let us know your feelings on this.

Bill Rouse

Results
Re: Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank #Wiki

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Herbert,
Joel's advice is, as always, spot on for a professional fuel polishing service and a tank fabricator/repairer to install access ports.
Here's a product I came across as an alternative, should you want to go DIY. Seabuilt Access Plate System.
Looks like a great design with a folding inner plate to make installation very easy.
I've got it on my "in-a-while-pile".
Craig SN68
Re: Dual Pre Filters for Fuel

Alan "Woody" Wood
 

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 08:07 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre wrote:
Jean-Pierre, did you mean the 75/500?
Re: Dual Pre Filters for Fuel

Alan "Woody" Wood
 

Thanks for that Joel.. is this the model you mean..?

https://www.asap-supplies.com/parker-racor-500fg-duplex-diesel-fuel-filter?cid=1721495430&adgpid=70090925480&itemid=&targid=pla-58909107986&mt=&loc=1006886&ntwk=u&dev=c&dmod=&adp=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMItIKc4ZiO4QIV4b3tCh0MSgNjEAYYASABEgKxT_D_BwE

If mounted higher does that mean any fuel in the tank below the filter will basically be redundant without the use of an electric pump? Would it be advisable to add an extra priming pump you think?

Cheers
Woody
#mothershipadrift
Re: Lee Sails or equivalent

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

I second the Q sails recommendation. 
When I replaced my headsail furler, I had a rigger from a respected sailmaking company aboard to help with the installation. He was quite impressed with the workmanship and the price. 


Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 04:29 PM, Ian Townsend wrote:

We've been very happy with our new TriRadial Cut Pro Radial Genoa made by Q Sails, part of Bill's Yacht School discount program. Great product and an even better price.

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Mar 18, 2019, at 3:16 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io wrote:

Hello

Does anyone have any experience of Lee Sails?

We are considering them as an almost half price alternative for UK manufactured sails.
Normally we get what we pay to a degree but the price difference is enough for me to pause and consider.
Our Maramu has the single spreader isomat masts without furler ( just slab reefing ) so reasonably simple sails

I am being quoted for fully battened with cars that go into the mast luff box - we have them currently and they work ok.
Any thoughts or experience most welcome

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu 162
Re: Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank #Wiki

Gary Silver
 

Hi Herbert:

 don't know if this will help but here is a picture of the two ports (factory installed) on my Super Maramu.  I also wanted you to know that I sailed out of Golfito Costa Rica aboard the offshore sail training ship Alaska Eagle in 1996 (Golfito to Clipperton Atoll to San Diego).  That trip set me on the hunt for an offshore boat that landed me in the hands of Joel Potter, Jean Jacque Lemonair, and Olivier Beaute and taking possession of our boat Liahona (SM 2000 #335) in LaRochelle in 2001.  

 Hope you can sort out your fuel problem. 

All the best, Gary S. Silver
Re: Lee Sails or equivalent

Massimo Vecchietti
 

I had a complete set of sails for my old Maramu with great satisfaction and now for my SM I have Lee sail mainsail,mizzen, genoa and gennaker and I am very satisfied too.
Max
SM Patchouli  II n° 84

Il giorno mar 19 mar 2019 alle ore 02:43 James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2=aol.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
Miles,

   I have had two sails made by Q-Sails in Hydranet.  The pricing and communication is excellent.  The quality is plenty good for cruising and the sails were heavily reinforced.      We plan to order 2 more sails next season from Q-Sails to complete our inventory.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Mar 18, 2019, at 9:22 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

Thanks very much all
Sounds like I might try a few alternatives to Lee
Craig - yes I did mean uk manufactured. The quote was from Crusader who I think are good and made out as yet unused new Genoa. 
Thanks for the tip about ‘Uk sailmakers’
I’ll drop them a line 

Many thanks 
Miles 



On 18 Mar 2019, at 17:24, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Miles,
By "UK manufactured" sails, may I assume you mean United Kingdom, not the brand "UK Sailmakers". We've had two sets done by UK Sailmakers, one at their New York loft (actually made in China and finished at the NY loft) and one at their loft in Marmaris, Turkey (actually made at the loft in Marmaris). All have been excellent and very well priced. 
Craig SN68

Re: Lee Sails or equivalent

James Alton
 

Miles,

   I have had two sails made by Q-Sails in Hydranet.  The pricing and communication is excellent.  The quality is plenty good for cruising and the sails were heavily reinforced.      We plan to order 2 more sails next season from Q-Sails to complete our inventory.  

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Mar 18, 2019, at 9:22 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

Thanks very much all
Sounds like I might try a few alternatives to Lee
Craig - yes I did mean uk manufactured. The quote was from Crusader who I think are good and made out as yet unused new Genoa. 
Thanks for the tip about ‘Uk sailmakers’
I’ll drop them a line 

Many thanks 
Miles 



On 18 Mar 2019, at 17:24, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Miles,
By "UK manufactured" sails, may I assume you mean United Kingdom, not the brand "UK Sailmakers". We've had two sets done by UK Sailmakers, one at their New York loft (actually made in China and finished at the NY loft) and one at their loft in Marmaris, Turkey (actually made at the loft in Marmaris). All have been excellent and very well priced. 
Craig SN68

Re: Lee Sails or equivalent

smiles bernard
 

Thanks very much all
Sounds like I might try a few alternatives to Lee
Craig - yes I did mean uk manufactured. The quote was from Crusader who I think are good and made out as yet unused new Genoa. 
Thanks for the tip about ‘Uk sailmakers’
I’ll drop them a line 

Many thanks 
Miles 



On 18 Mar 2019, at 17:24, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Miles,
By "UK manufactured" sails, may I assume you mean United Kingdom, not the brand "UK Sailmakers". We've had two sets done by UK Sailmakers, one at their New York loft (actually made in China and finished at the NY loft) and one at their loft in Marmaris, Turkey (actually made at the loft in Marmaris). All have been excellent and very well priced. 
Craig SN68

Re: Cleaning Santorin Diesel tank #Wiki

James Alton
 

Herbert,

   I concur with Joels advice RE the professional tank cleaning.  I am however concerned about the quantity of water that you have removed from your filters, especially given that you have been filtering your fuel. That seems like way too much for condensation.  I am not  sure of where the tank fill is on the Santorin but I would suggest having  a good look at your tank fill O-ring to be sure that it is in top shape.   I replace the O-ring on my tank fill every couple of years and also apply some grease to the O-ring to further improve the seal.  As a simple test for leakage,  you can carefully insert some dry paper towel into the fill, install the cap in the normal way,  wet the tank fill with a pressurized hose, remove the cap and check to see if there is any water soaked into the paper towels.  Just be super careful that you don’t lose the towels down the fill with this test.  The tank vent can also be a potential source of water, if the fuel fill seems fine, I would have a look at the vent.

   Best of luck.  I hope that you find the source of the water in your fuel and can get the tank cleaned.

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220


On Mar 18, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Herbert Lackner <herbert@...> wrote:

Hi Amelians,

just started to cross the pacific, after three days without wind, lot of waves and using the engine the water separator and the racor filter have been full of brown water. I cleaned it several times, after an hour it was always full again. I put out maybe 2 liters of brown ugly dirty water and we decided to sail back to Costa Rica to fix that. 

Up to now I never had any drop of water in the water separator, checked this once a year. We always fill up using a water-filter so it might be condensed water.
After changing and cleaning several times now (in shallow water) no dirt comes out, but there might be some more in the tank that is waiting for the next waves.

I do not know what the problem is, I assume that the water is there already since some time, but only when motoring in heavy seas (what we have not done for a long time) it was "shaked" and mixed with the clean diesel.  When we refueled in Golfito I added some Biozid, maybe this "killed" the bacteria and created the dirt...

Our Santorin has no service port for the diesel tank (for me that is a design issue...), so cleaning needs some creativity. Had anyone the same problem, how did you solve that? How to clean the tank to get all the dirt out without service port? 

Did anyone add a service port? 

thx, herbert, SN120, KALI MERA Costa Rica (again)

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