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Re: Oil amount for MD22 / Prima M50

rossirossix4
 

Hi Herbert,
On our Perkins M50 we would fill the oil filter as full as we could and take several minutes doing it to allow it to fully soak in.  EVEN after doing that and running the engine a few minutes (and topping off the oil) AFTER an hour or 2 of engine use we would need to add another pint of oil.  After my very first oil change I was concerned that the engine was using oil (it never did) but then saw no oil consumption.  This phenomenon occured after every oil change.

Goes without saying but if you pump the old oil directly into one of the oil jugs with a "site tube" feature on the side,  you can measure the exact amount of oil removed and have a very good idea of how much replacement oil is needed.

BTW, thanks for the tip on water ingress through the vent.

Bob and Suzanne, Previous Owner, Brittany de la Mer, SN 86
SM 429 Presently Saint-Pierre, Martinique

Re: Bow locker floors/hawse pipe replacement project recap

Gary Silver
 

Thomas did post pictures already (perhaps he will post more).  They are in the Photos Section and in a folder entitled "Repairs - Amel SM 53 - Bow Locker Floor Repairs"

If you search the photos section with any word such as repairs, or bow locker, or floor etc you will see those photos.  His job is very impressive. 

Gary S. Silver 
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335
Puerto Rico

 

Re: Bow locker floors/hawse pipe replacement project recap

Cathy & Guillaume
 

Dear Thomas,

This is great, thank you for posting! Could you also post pictures of the different stages if you have them ? This replacement is something I have to do one day, so the more info to prepare, the better...

Cheers,

Guillaume
Carpathia III - SM2K #293

Re: Oil amount for MD22 / Prima M50

Ian Park
 

Herbert
I’m the same as Craig. Never get near 6 litres on an oil change.
The engine was developed as one of the first diesels for British Leyland cars - the Austin Montego. I have a Haynes manual for the car and it’s engine. Maybe the sump is shallower in the marine version?
I am not at home for a couple of weeks, but I’ll check what the car version says.

Ian

locked Re: Paying for our group through Advertising

Mike Johnson
 

Hi Bill,

Yes - Agree that it would be a sensible way of funding the site.  I tried the Poll site but could vote.

Regards

Mike & Peta
Solitude
SM2K 461

On 19 Mar 2019, at 21:56, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Craig,

OK, I thought that this would be OK with you and most folks. The Wiki is what you go to when you want to do something in our group's website, but need instructions. 

Please go back to the POLL and change your vote. I think that you can get to the poll either by clicking on the original email, or possibly by clicking on this link:

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 12:49 PM Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill,
Sorry - although you did say it, I didn't "get' the part about the ad only appearing when you click "Wiki". You've been immersed in this changeover so it's familiar to you.  I have never clicked on Wiki, nor do I have any idea why I'd ever click it. So, if somebody wants to pay for an ad I'll never see, hey, I'm all in !!! 
Cheers, Craig

Re: Oil amount for MD22 / Prima M50

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 
Edited

Hi Herb,
Although your post doesn't seem to mention it, let me assume you did run the engine after the first 5 or so liters so as to refill the oil filter, which takes, say, a half liter or so. Then you may have to add a bit more. Anyway, as a benchmark, I don't get a full 6 liters into my Perkins Prima M50 (same engine) when changing oil. Not to worry.

Also, the Hurth gearbox is totally separate from the engine oil, and, yes, you do put the engine dipstick all the way in. If after running the engine for a few minutes and then shutting it down you've got "Max" on the dipstick, it's Miller's time - relax with a cold one.

As to your water issue, the Volvo (and Perkins equivalent) water separator actually does not filter out any water - it just separates it and then, if there is an accumulation of water, a sensor in the bottom closes a switch and sounds (lights) an alarm telling you you've got water in that separator. If it does fill up it simply passes the water along to the filters - it is just an alarm that, if it works, gives you a chance to remove water before it gets to the filters. Not unusual for the sensor contacts not to activate with water in there, especially with our engines being as old as they are. Clean it out, clean the contacts, and give it another shot.

Cheers, Craig

Updated Event: Amel Yacht Owners Rally - Martinique April 7 - April 13 - Sunday, 7 April 2019 #cal-invite

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Amel Yacht Owners Rally - Martinique April 7 - April 13

When:
Sunday, 7 April 2019 through
Saturday, 13 April 2019

Where:
Martinique du Marin

Organizer:
brouse@... +1(832) 380-4970

Description:

Amel Eastern Caribbean Rally Rendezvous Location: Martinique
 
7-13 April du Marin 
la Marina du Marin is offering a berth package at 170€ per boat for 6 days: 
   Berth from Sunday 7th April PM to Friday 12th April PM 
   Electricity included
   Wifi 40Go (1 ticket of 40Go per boat)
   Water is not included. The price water is 9€ per cubic meter.
   A welcome gift from the marina
To take advantage of this offer, you must reserve with the marina before 22 March. Email: contact@... Phone: +596 596 74 83 83
Wednesday 10 April - 1930 dinner at Mango Bay with a drawing for a haulout at Carenantilies Yard. Dinner sponsored by Caraibe Marine, Wine or Beer by Caribbean Yacht Sales. There will also be drawings for several of the "Amel Books."
Saturday 13 April - St. Anne anchorage pot luck lunch/dinner
 
Optional stops meet & greet:
Heading south to Martinique: BVI- Virgin Gorda Anchorage at 18 30.3190 N  064 22.3573 W Mar 31- Apr 2
St, Martin Anchorage or Marina to be determined April 3-5
 
Heading south from Martinique for hurricane season:
Bequia Admiralty Bay Anchorage Apr 22-24
    - Tuesday April 23rd - Welcome drinks at the Frangipani Hotel (time to be announced)
 
Grenada Anchorage and Marina to be determined Apr 28-30
Chaguaramas, Trinidad (Tentative) May 2-???

 
 I will keep you posted and will add to the website when I have confirmation.
 


Event: Welcome drinks at the Frangipani Hotel Bequia - Tuesday, 23 April 2019 #cal-invite

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Welcome drinks at the Frangipani Hotel Bequia

When:
Tuesday, 23 April 2019

Where:
Frangipani Hotel, Bequia

Organizer:
brouse@... 1-832-380-4970

An RSVP is requested. Click here to RSVP

Description:
Frangipani Hotel is welcoming all those registered with the Amel Caribbean Rally for welcome drinks at 1730 (5:30PM)

Re: Engine room lining on Amel 54

Scott SV Tengah
 

I had the same problem and found this stuff in Spain. 

It's insulation material with very sticky backing and a "mesh" through it to prevent tearing. It's foam but feels a bit like neoprene. Certainly makes things look a lot better but as the original black film coating starts peeling off, parts of the added covering start coming off.

I think if I find a way to anchor it to the foam substrate in the same way that upholstery is secured to a couch, it may be perfect. This photo is what I'm thinking.
https://img-aws.ehowcdn.com/350x235p/s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/contentlab.studiod/getty/261051e9af6048798eb32f1a6f934f78.jpg

Scott
SV Tengah Amel 54 2007

Re: New Group

Courtney Gorman
 

Craig,
Lone Star now Trippin is doing great now in St Thomas I love this boat she was obviously well cared for Cheers 🍻 
Courtney 
54 #101
Trippin 


On Mar 19, 2019, at 2:23 PM, Craig Scott <sv.lonestar@...> wrote:

To Bill and the other Moderators,
Just looked around the new website and it is a significant improvement from the yahoo site.  Makes me wish I was still sailing Lone Star.  Its so much easier to access all the information.
Craig Scott
formerly A54#101

Re: Dual Pre Filters for Fuel

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Alan,

Ooops. You are correct.  In our case, we run both the genset and the Volvo on one filter.  I change over whenever I note grunge or when changing the little element filter at the top.

Mounted on a SS plate installed on the stbd side of the engine bearer… lined up to the aft portion of the gearbox.

Works very well.

Jean-Pierre Germain, ELEUTHERA, SM007



On 20 Mar 2019, at 02:11, Alan Woody Wood <woody@...> wrote:

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 08:07 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre wrote:
Jean-Pierre, did you mean the 75/500?

Oil amount for MD22 / Prima M50

Herbert Lackner
 

after cleaning all diesel filters and before cleaning up the engine room I made an oil / filter change. This time I made sure that all the oil comes out, including the small amount at the bottom (1/4 liter) that the pump does not suck out. according to the engine data sheet the engine needs ~ 6 liters of oil, but when filling in 5 liters I am already above the "high mark" at the dipstick.  With previous oil changes I always thought that the rest of the oil will be somewhere inside the engine, at the bottom where the pump does not reach it. But this time I am pretty sure that all is out. I expected to fill in at least 5,5 liters,

I see the following possibilities:
1.) I have the wrong dipstick?  I have Perkins Part Number 3178E012 (it is printed on the stick).
2.) The data sheet is for the MD22/MD22L/TMD22, but I have the MD22A. Maybe the MD22A needs less oil (hurth gearbox...)...
3.) I would have to check the oil-level without inserting the dipstick complete (like for the gear-oil, but as far as I know the engine oil level has to be checked with the dipstick fully pressed in)

Can anyone with the same engine (Santorin) tell how much oil is needed for a complete oil change inlcuding filter or check what kind of dipstick is there (number, length)
any other ideas?

thx, herbert, SN120, Costa Rica

PS: diesel cleaning project is in progress. I think the water came in through the tank-vent while washing the boat. now all seems to be fine, test-run in waves tomorrow. interesting: the volvo water separator (first element the tank) did not filter out all water, the Racor filter (after the water separator) did that really efficent. Only a small amount of water found its way to the filter on the engine.

thx all for you recommendations and help. update will follow

Bow locker floors/hawse pipe replacement project recap

Thomas Kleman
 

Since so many of you offered me great guidance in the two threads my project spawned, I thought I owed everyone a quick update (and of course about 100 beers).

About a month ago while working in the port bow locker, the floor buckled (plywood separating from the fiberglass) and my project began. While we all know Amels don't have design flaws, a few "undocumented system features" emerged that I wanted to address. Specifically:

1) Bow locker floors needed to be robust and glassed on BOTH sides
2) There needed to be access for a normal sized person into the chain locker, because....
3) There also needed to be access into what I'll call the chain locker bilge, the glassed-in grating next to the bulkhead where all the rust, mud, and other things accumulate from the chain and clog the chain locker drain
4) The hawse pipe needed to be corrosion proof and not terminate next to unprotected wood
5) The back starboard bolt on the windlass needed to be accessible (vs. fiberglassed over) and the rusted out steel flange needed to be replaced by something corrosion proof as well.

I'm aware that others have had some version of this problem and looked at it differently.....some don't have this problem at all. Nevertheless this was my design criteria.

After the demolition phase, I chose 3/4 inch marine plywood and double-glassed both sides as well as the ends. After leaving a 2 inch fiberglass lip (the underlying plywood fell off just by pulling), I used two cardboard templates. The wood was cut with a taper to conform to the hull angle (or better said, an attempt was made to do this). After glassing the wood panels (each floors were made from a single piece of wood- the port floor barely fit through the opening) the access door was cut into the center of the port locker floor. The locker's remaining fiberglass lip and 4 inches above it were sanded to bare fiberglass. The floor was placed on top of a thick resin mix resting on the lip. Then gaps were filled and filleted. Finally, the floor was tabbed to the locker wall.

The hawse pipe header was constructed out of molded resin and grinded/dremeled to the shape I needed to hold 4 inch PVC pipe, and to serve as a plate to hold the back starboard windlass bolt. It was then glued/screwed under the windlass; the bolt was accessible, but barely. The bottom of the PVC pipe was fitted with both a flange (to hold in to the bottom of the floor) and a protective ring of 1/2 inch star-board over the flange to take any chain impact. The paint is drying in both lockers as I write this.

What would I do differently/what did I learn along the way ? 

1) The port locker floor cutout is tricky. Amel glassed the top side of the plywood after they laid it down. On SM #422, this gave it a subtle curve. When I double-glassed both sides of the form I made, I created a super rigid 2- dimensional structure. Fitting it on the lip (which conformed to the curved non-glassed plywood) was quite challenging as it weighed quite a bit and I was working mostly alone. About 90 pct of the floor is flush against the lip (the other 10% has a slight gap that I had to fill between the lip and the wood from underneath). This was less than pleasant.

2) I used 3 gallons of resin on this project. Along the way I got a lot better at knowing when/how to thicken the resin for different applications. 

3) I also fabricated the hawse pipe header myself (after one "mulligan"). This is a super useful skill I wish I had learned years ago.

Anyway, I have a few loose ends to tie up. I understand that Amel does this for $3,600 or something like that. I think that makes my wage rate about $1.55 per hour after materials are subtracted. All in all, a great learning experience and I'm satisfied that the boat is better now. And once again thanks to all for the advice. I used (and needed) almost all of it.

Thomas Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K #422
Shelter Bay Marina, Panama

locked Re: Paying for our group through Advertising

eric freedman
 

Hi Bill,

Who is the supplier?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Paying for our group through Advertising #poll

 

A new poll has been created:

Our Amel Yacht Owners Group is hosted on the Groups.io platform. I pay an annual cost for this, which I agreed to cover for 5 years. We were approached by a supplier that many of us have used. This supplier wants to advertise in our group. Almost 30 of us have used this supplier. We are considering allowing this supplier to advertise on the header of the Wiki page. Click on Wiki to view the area. 

I quoted this supplier a fee that is equal to the annual cost that is due to Groups.io for hosting our group, We would only have one supplier advertising and the location of the advertising would be on the Wiki, which is also known as the help page.

Please let us know your feelings on this.

Bill Rouse

1. Yes, I agree if it will pay the cost of hosting
2. No, I do not agree

Vote Now

Re: K1 & K2 Location - Amel 54

Faial Livingston
 

Hi Bill,

Have attached all the drawings in reference to electrical that I have been looking at to the folder you created.

Regards,
Faial
Cataya - Amel 54

Re: New Group

Craig Scott
 

To Bill and the other Moderators,
Just looked around the new website and it is a significant improvement from the yahoo site.  Makes me wish I was still sailing Lone Star.  Its so much easier to access all the information.
Craig Scott
formerly A54#101

locked Re: Paying for our group through Advertising

 

Craig,

OK, I thought that this would be OK with you and most folks. The Wiki is what you go to when you want to do something in our group's website, but need instructions. 

Please go back to the POLL and change your vote. I think that you can get to the poll either by clicking on the original email, or possibly by clicking on this link:

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 12:49 PM Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill,
Sorry - although you did say it, I didn't "get' the part about the ad only appearing when you click "Wiki". You've been immersed in this changeover so it's familiar to you.  I have never clicked on Wiki, nor do I have any idea why I'd ever click it. So, if somebody wants to pay for an ad I'll never see, hey, I'm all in !!! 
Cheers, Craig

locked Re: Paying for our group through Advertising

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Bill,
Sorry - although you did say it, I didn't "get' the part about the ad only appearing when you click "Wiki". You've been immersed in this changeover so it's familiar to you.  I have never clicked on Wiki, nor do I have any idea why I'd ever click it. So, if somebody wants to pay for an ad I'll never see, hey, I'm all in !!! 
Cheers, Craig

Re: Lee Sails or equivalent

smiles bernard
 

Hi Dennis 
Thanks very much for this information
Very helpful and clarifies my thinking 
I now have good quotes for Q and UK sailmakers 
So thanks for everyone’s help - very much appreciated

All the best
Miles


On 19 Mar 2019, at 13:09, sbmesasailor via Groups.Io <sbmesasailor@...> wrote:

Hi Miles,

I had Lee Sails make my replacements before heading out on our round the world adventure.  The good news is they were cheap and they wore well (still being used after 8 years of exposure).  The bad news is as Bill has reported, they were cut poorly and needed modification upon installation.  I was installing a lot of other critical equipment on the boat at the time and couldn't justify properly made/custom made sails.  I will not use Lee Sails for my next replacement.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121

Re: sailing from Martinique to Newport

smiles bernard
 

Hi Miles
We will be visiting Martenique in the next few weeks in our old Maramu. 
We are hoping to pay a visit to Amel there and stock up with good food !
Hope to see you there and best of luck with the crew hunt 
Cheers
Miles

On 19 Mar 2019, at 11:48, Miles <milesbid@...> wrote:

Hello Amelians, past Amelians, and future Amelians.
On 31 May, I intend to sail my Amel SM, Ladybug, back to Newport, RI from Le Marin, Martinique.  I am looking for one or two crew to join me. 
I watched the boat being built in 1998.  I have sailed it about 60,000 miles.  It is in perfect condition.
Please contact me if you are interested.  milesbid@... 
Regards,
Miles  S/Y Ladybug, sm216, Le Marin, Martinique