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Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

Ian Park
 

We sailed from Chagueramas to Grenada just after the pirate attack on ‘White Jumbo’ - a racing yacht.
We had sailed at night, close by the oil platforms. The intelligence at the time was that the Venezuelan ‘pirates’ were being directed from ‘friends’ working on the oil platforms using mobile phones. Advice was to avoid sight of the oil platforms, and to sail at night as the ‘pirates’ could only navigate by eyeball.
Things died down quite quickly due to the efforts of the Trinidad marine Authorities and the US navy aircraft, plus the outstanding efforts of the Ocean Cruising Club Port Officer for Trinidad, Jesse James. A man well worth contacting if you go to Chagueramas.
If you are unsure, get on the internet and see when the last pirate attack was in the area. I guess it may now just be more hearsay than fact.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

 

Giorgio,

I agree with you completely, although my experience is 3 years old. At that time we visited Chaguaramas, Trinidad for hurricane season. The exaggeration of the "pirate" issue reached epic proportions, with the sighting of any fisherman, Trinidadian or Venezuelan, transformed into a pirate attack. Unfortunately many sailors use a direct route between Grenada and Trinidad, causing a close encounter with Venezuela's coastline and a close encounter with the starving population.

The absolute best source of accurate information on Trinidad and routes from Grenada is:
Jesse James
Tel:+1 868 6835202

Jesse is the Port Host for SSCA and Ocean Cruising Club. He also runs a Taxi and tour service. 

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 7:02 AM Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:
James, it is true that there have been some episodes of attacks in past years, but lately the situation is calm. The Coast Guard of Trinidad controls the coasts and in any case they were Venezuelan fishermen with small motor boats. Their attacks were no more than 10 miles from the coast.
However, to avoid problems, I left Grenada ten days ago and took a route that took me 10 miles east of Boca del Dragon, arriving at first light in the morning. Except for a few ships, I didn't see anyone, not even fishermen. In the following days many boats arrived and many more will be arriving from Virgin Islands next month.
By now the pirates issue has become an exaggerated urban legend, fueled also by the various Marina of the islands who are interested in retaining their boats from them.
I don't particularly like Trinidad, but I consider Chaguaramas Bay a very well organized place to leave my boat safe for 8 months from theft, various accidents and hurricanes at a reasonable price.

Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 22:56 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
Giorgio - Thank you so much for the info!  I will definitely contact Daniella.  I have heard that there is some concern of piracy / theft when sailing between Trinidad and Grenada or near the Venezuela coast in that region. I believe that air and sea travel has been suspended on the border of Trinidad and Venezuela based on the UK.gov website.. 

-James
On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.
The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.
The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.
They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.
In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.
In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.
Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.
The address is: reservations@...

If you want more info I am at your disposal.
Good luck.
Giorgio Ardrizzi
Saudade III - Sharki #1


Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra




Re: Dessalator duo 60 warning light

Thomas Peacock
 

One more thought, having lost much hair getting my water maker to work after new membranes:

Have you sampled and tested the “fresh” water output just before the red light comes on? If it is too salty, the switch will trip and shut it down. I had this problem because of incorrectly installed O-rings with the membrane. I am assuming new O-rings were installed with the new membranes?

Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240
St Augustine, Florida



On Mar 24, 2019, at 9:36 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Alan,

Some random observations:
  1. The pressure knob should be turned all the way anticlockwise when flushing.
  2. It is possible that you have some sort of failure with the 24VDC bypass solenoid
  3. You should not have any waterflow showing in the glass waterflow indicator when flushing with freshwater.  I think it is possible that something is causing freshwater to pass through the tube and V shaped Brine seals to the product water pathway. The possible causes could be damaged V shaped Brine seals, something wrong in the assembly of the membranes, tubes and end caps, or possibly something wrong with the bypass solenoid. 
  4. The most common "Red Light" shutdown is because the high pressure sensor senses too high pressure. This is commonly caused by a defective pressure gauge. In other words, the actual pressure is higher than 50 bar and the sensor shuts the system down. I was supporting a client yesterday with this defective pressure gauge issue. I had him turn the pressure valve to about 1/2" short of the green. His system did not shut down and began making about 60 liters per hour.
  5. Flow indication when the pressure valve is completely turned anticlockwise and flushing with freshwater may be an indication of incorrect orientation of the tube end caps causing the shaped brine seal to be ineffective i.e. oriented the wrong way. It might also be caused by the hoses connected in reversed locations.
Take a look at the attached PDF, which is a page from my book. 

Be very careful because even the slightest reverse pressure (1-2 BAR) through the membranes will damage the membranes and cause them to be ineffective. By reverse pressure, I mean water flowing backwards from the product water output back into the membrane tubes. Unfortunately some people refer to the process of freshwater flushing as "backwashing." It is not. Freshwater flushing flushes the entire saltwater pathway and only the outside of the membranes.

I hope this helps.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 7:15 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
Hi Eric, yes I removed both hoses from the membranes and I got water out.
We turned the knob increasing the pressure slowly. We were just in the green and we had product water start to flow, however we had looked away from the gauge when everything stopped and the warning light came on. We can fresh water flush and water flows thru and we have 10 liters  per hour on the flow meter.
Regards
Alan
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Sent: Saturday, 23 March 2019 11:46:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light
 

HI,

If I understand you correctly you disconnected both hoses from the membranes and the unit still went to the red alarm position. I assume you had no low pressure showing on the gauge, is that correct?

Or do you have low pressure in the green but the alarm light is on .

With the hoses disconnected from the membranes did water come out of either hose?

 

I went through the entire system last system with a problem  it even stumped  the USA Desalator rep.

I do have the 160, however, I might be able to help if you would reply.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:21 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light

 

Hi All, I started my water maker for the first time and I have a problem.
i put new membranes in and flushed it with fresh water for about 15 mins. I ran sea water thru it for about 5mins then started to slowly increase the pressure while checking for leaks. Once the needle was in the green it started producing product water but after about 1 min the warning light came on and now nothing runs. I was using the 24v side. I released the pressure knob and even unhooked the pressure lines then tried again. The red warning light came straight on. I reset the 24V breaker in the engine bay and checked the 2 fuses in the control box in the lazarette. I then tried the 220v side and had the same result.
does anyone have any ideas?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai, SM 406
Cat Cay Bahamas




<Dessalator Membrane Orientation and  HP hose connections.pdf>


Re: Dessalator duo 60 warning light

 

Alan,

Some random observations:
  1. The pressure knob should be turned all the way anticlockwise when flushing.
  2. It is possible that you have some sort of failure with the 24VDC bypass solenoid
  3. You should not have any waterflow showing in the glass waterflow indicator when flushing with freshwater.  I think it is possible that something is causing freshwater to pass through the tube and V shaped Brine seals to the product water pathway. The possible causes could be damaged V shaped Brine seals, something wrong in the assembly of the membranes, tubes and end caps, or possibly something wrong with the bypass solenoid. 
  4. The most common "Red Light" shutdown is because the high pressure sensor senses too high pressure. This is commonly caused by a defective pressure gauge. In other words, the actual pressure is higher than 50 bar and the sensor shuts the system down. I was supporting a client yesterday with this defective pressure gauge issue. I had him turn the pressure valve to about 1/2" short of the green. His system did not shut down and began making about 60 liters per hour.
  5. Flow indication when the pressure valve is completely turned anticlockwise and flushing with freshwater may be an indication of incorrect orientation of the tube end caps causing the shaped brine seal to be ineffective i.e. oriented the wrong way. It might also be caused by the hoses connected in reversed locations.
Take a look at the attached PDF, which is a page from my book. 

Be very careful because even the slightest reverse pressure (1-2 BAR) through the membranes will damage the membranes and cause them to be ineffective. By reverse pressure, I mean water flowing backwards from the product water output back into the membrane tubes. Unfortunately some people refer to the process of freshwater flushing as "backwashing." It is not. Freshwater flushing flushes the entire saltwater pathway and only the outside of the membranes.

I hope this helps.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 7:15 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
Hi Eric, yes I removed both hoses from the membranes and I got water out.
We turned the knob increasing the pressure slowly. We were just in the green and we had product water start to flow, however we had looked away from the gauge when everything stopped and the warning light came on. We can fresh water flush and water flows thru and we have 10 liters  per hour on the flow meter.
Regards
Alan
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Sent: Saturday, 23 March 2019 11:46:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light
 

HI,

If I understand you correctly you disconnected both hoses from the membranes and the unit still went to the red alarm position. I assume you had no low pressure showing on the gauge, is that correct?

Or do you have low pressure in the green but the alarm light is on .

With the hoses disconnected from the membranes did water come out of either hose?

 

I went through the entire system last system with a problem  it even stumped  the USA Desalator rep.

I do have the 160, however, I might be able to help if you would reply.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:21 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light

 

Hi All, I started my water maker for the first time and I have a problem.
i put new membranes in and flushed it with fresh water for about 15 mins. I ran sea water thru it for about 5mins then started to slowly increase the pressure while checking for leaks. Once the needle was in the green it started producing product water but after about 1 min the warning light came on and now nothing runs. I was using the 24v side. I released the pressure knob and even unhooked the pressure lines then tried again. The red warning light came straight on. I reset the 24V breaker in the engine bay and checked the 2 fuses in the control box in the lazarette. I then tried the 220v side and had the same result.
does anyone have any ideas?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai, SM 406
Cat Cay Bahamas


Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

Giorgio Ardrizzi
 

James, it is true that there have been some episodes of attacks in past years, but lately the situation is calm. The Coast Guard of Trinidad controls the coasts and in any case they were Venezuelan fishermen with small motor boats. Their attacks were no more than 10 miles from the coast.
However, to avoid problems, I left Grenada ten days ago and took a route that took me 10 miles east of Boca del Dragon, arriving at first light in the morning. Except for a few ships, I didn't see anyone, not even fishermen. In the following days many boats arrived and many more will be arriving from Virgin Islands next month.
By now the pirates issue has become an exaggerated urban legend, fueled also by the various Marina of the islands who are interested in retaining their boats from them.
I don't particularly like Trinidad, but I consider Chaguaramas Bay a very well organized place to leave my boat safe for 8 months from theft, various accidents and hurricanes at a reasonable price.


Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 22:56 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
Giorgio - Thank you so much for the info!  I will definitely contact Daniella.  I have heard that there is some concern of piracy / theft when sailing between Trinidad and Grenada or near the Venezuela coast in that region. I believe that air and sea travel has been suspended on the border of Trinidad and Venezuela based on the UK.gov website.. 

-James
On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.
The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.
The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.
They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.
In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.
In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.
Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.
The address is: reservations@...

If you want more info I am at your disposal.
Good luck.
Giorgio Ardrizzi
Saudade III - Sharki #1


Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra




Re: Lee Sails or equivalent

Hajé Weisfelt
 

Hi Miles,

I bought mine 10 years ago. Als plain slab reefs. Saved more then 70% compared to Elstrom or Gaastra. G1 and Mizzen are now bit worn, but still in shape. Main, g2, jib, storm jib still as new. Level of communication to customer was great. I wanted the stainless wire in the reefs and they didn't understand this at first. Several photos and drawing further they said oké and four weeks later I had my sails.
Still 100% satisfied. 
Cheers, Hajé 
Sharki 104, Charmed II, Herkingen, Holland

Op ma 18 mrt. 2019 20:16 schreef smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard=yahoo.com@groups.io>:

Hello

Does anyone have any experience of Lee Sails?

We are considering them as an almost half price alternative for UK manufactured sails.

Normally we get what we pay to a degree  but the price difference is enough for me to pause and consider.

Our Maramu has the single spreader isomat masts without furler ( just slab reefing ) so reasonably simple sails

I am being quoted for fully battened with cars that go into the mast luff box - we have them currently and they work ok.

Any thoughts or experience most welcome

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu 162




Anchor Chain - Amel Mango

Ian Bone
 

Hello All, 
I am seeking information about the anchor chain on my Mango.
The chain is due for replacement soon and I'm considering replacement options. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Ian


Dessalator duo 60 warning light

eric freedman
 

Hi Alan,

Sounds similar to my problem. I had a bad hose connected to the membranes. It looked fine outside but partially collapsed on the inside.  That could be your problem. I basically rebuilt everything and the last thing that I did not replace or rebuild was the 2 hoses on the hp pump.

 

Does your water quality sensor actually work? On many older Super Maramu’s  Dessalator

supplied a water quality sensor but it was not connected to the circuitry, do you know if you water quality sensor is actually working? On the older Super Maramu’s the green light was connected to a timer circuit and in about 2 minutes the green light went on regardless of the quality of the water—just an aside.

 

Just as an aside, if I recall correctly you are supposed to disconnect the output water from a new set of membranes and hook the output to a hose and run it into the bilge. You should run the watermaker for 20-30 minutes to flush out the sanitizing solution. That was from the USA Dessalator rep.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 8:15 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light

 

Hi Eric, yes I removed both hoses from the membranes and I got water out.
We turned the knob increasing the pressure slowly. We were just in the green and we had product water start to flow, however we had looked away from the gauge when everything stopped and the warning light came on. We can fresh water flush and water flows thru and we have 10 liters  per hour on the flow meter.
Regards
Alan


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Sent: Saturday, 23 March 2019 11:46:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light

 

HI,

If I understand you correctly you disconnected both hoses from the membranes and the unit still went to the red alarm position. I assume you had no low pressure showing on the gauge, is that correct?

Or do you have low pressure in the green but the alarm light is on .

With the hoses disconnected from the membranes did water come out of either hose?

 

I went through the entire system last system with a problem  it even stumped  the USA Desalator rep.

I do have the 160, however, I might be able to help if you would reply.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:21 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light

 

Hi All, I started my water maker for the first time and I have a problem.
i put new membranes in and flushed it with fresh water for about 15 mins. I ran sea water thru it for about 5mins then started to slowly increase the pressure while checking for leaks. Once the needle was in the green it started producing product water but after about 1 min the warning light came on and now nothing runs. I was using the 24v side. I released the pressure knob and even unhooked the pressure lines then tried again. The red warning light came straight on. I reset the 24V breaker in the engine bay and checked the 2 fuses in the control box in the lazarette. I then tried the 220v side and had the same result.
does anyone have any ideas?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai, SM 406
Cat Cay Bahamas


Re: Dessalator duo 60 warning light

Alan Grayson
 

Hi Eric, yes I removed both hoses from the membranes and I got water out.
We turned the knob increasing the pressure slowly. We were just in the green and we had product water start to flow, however we had looked away from the gauge when everything stopped and the warning light came on. We can fresh water flush and water flows thru and we have 10 liters  per hour on the flow meter.
Regards
Alan
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
Sent: Saturday, 23 March 2019 11:46:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light
 

HI,

If I understand you correctly you disconnected both hoses from the membranes and the unit still went to the red alarm position. I assume you had no low pressure showing on the gauge, is that correct?

Or do you have low pressure in the green but the alarm light is on .

With the hoses disconnected from the membranes did water come out of either hose?

 

I went through the entire system last system with a problem  it even stumped  the USA Desalator rep.

I do have the 160, however, I might be able to help if you would reply.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:21 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light

 

Hi All, I started my water maker for the first time and I have a problem.
i put new membranes in and flushed it with fresh water for about 15 mins. I ran sea water thru it for about 5mins then started to slowly increase the pressure while checking for leaks. Once the needle was in the green it started producing product water but after about 1 min the warning light came on and now nothing runs. I was using the 24v side. I released the pressure knob and even unhooked the pressure lines then tried again. The red warning light came straight on. I reset the 24V breaker in the engine bay and checked the 2 fuses in the control box in the lazarette. I then tried the 220v side and had the same result.
does anyone have any ideas?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai, SM 406
Cat Cay Bahamas


Re: Dessalator duo 60 warning light

eric freedman
 

HI,

If I understand you correctly you disconnected both hoses from the membranes and the unit still went to the red alarm position. I assume you had no low pressure showing on the gauge, is that correct?

Or do you have low pressure in the green but the alarm light is on .

With the hoses disconnected from the membranes did water come out of either hose?

 

I went through the entire system last system with a problem  it even stumped  the USA Desalator rep.

I do have the 160, however, I might be able to help if you would reply.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 7:21 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator duo 60 warning light

 

Hi All, I started my water maker for the first time and I have a problem.
i put new membranes in and flushed it with fresh water for about 15 mins. I ran sea water thru it for about 5mins then started to slowly increase the pressure while checking for leaks. Once the needle was in the green it started producing product water but after about 1 min the warning light came on and now nothing runs. I was using the 24v side. I released the pressure knob and even unhooked the pressure lines then tried again. The red warning light came straight on. I reset the 24V breaker in the engine bay and checked the 2 fuses in the control box in the lazarette. I then tried the 220v side and had the same result.
does anyone have any ideas?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai, SM 406
Cat Cay Bahamas


Dessalator duo 60 warning light

Alan Grayson
 

Hi All, I started my water maker for the first time and I have a problem.
i put new membranes in and flushed it with fresh water for about 15 mins. I ran sea water thru it for about 5mins then started to slowly increase the pressure while checking for leaks. Once the needle was in the green it started producing product water but after about 1 min the warning light came on and now nothing runs. I was using the 24v side. I released the pressure knob and even unhooked the pressure lines then tried again. The red warning light came straight on. I reset the 24V breaker in the engine bay and checked the 2 fuses in the control box in the lazarette. I then tried the 220v side and had the same result.
does anyone have any ideas?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai, SM 406
Cat Cay Bahamas


Re: Med Berth

 

Steve,

I assume that you want in-the-water berth. If Sicily is OK for you, there are 2 marinas that have 7 months (October to end April) "winter berths" for less than 2,000 Euros. The 4 months prior to October are higher. I prefer di Ragusa below because the marina has several freshwater springs, which reduces the number of barnacles.

They are:
Marina di Cala del Sole
Corso Argentina, snc , 97027 Licata (ag) , Sicily, Italy
Tel:+39 0922 183 7137 Fax:+39 0922 183 7138 ,VHF Channel 74 (24 hrs)

Porto Turistico Marina di Ragusa
Via Livorno 28 , 97010 Marina di Ragusa , Sicily,Italy
Tel: +39 0932 230301 Fax:+39 0932 239466 ,VHF Channel 74

If you are interested in more information on these two marinas, or other places go to https://www.noonsite.com/Countries

If I can be of any other help, let me know.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 10:41 AM Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Steve

Majorca is one of the most expensive places in the Med. Better look in Spain or Italy or Greece. Even the French Cote d'Azur is cheaper than Majorca.
The cheapiest place is however Tunisia e.g. Monastir where I got all services done for a very low price.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

I think it would be a good idea to avoid the Venezuelan islands. Although we did meet a couple in Bonaire who had stopped there without incident. Our insurance would not cover us for anything Venezuelan.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Cromie via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 6:11 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

 

Thank you Mark.  This is helpful.  Yes, I will need to give a wide berth on the coast of Venezuela.  

Have you (or anyone else on the forum) visited Los Roques?  I presume that this would not be a safe stop at this point in time.  

 

Best,

James

On Mar 23, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

 

Grenada is not impacted by the Venezuela instability, neither are the ABC’s.

 

The passage from Grenada to Trinidad and Tobago has become a little dodgy. The Coast Guard is asking for float plans of vessels making the passage so they can keep an eye on them. When passage making to the ABCs it is best to give Venezuela a wide berth by departing from a higher island. We departed Guadeloupe for Bonaire. You will also have better winds with this angle.

 

Grenada offers affordable haul outs as does Curacao Marine in the ABCs. Rates for work done on these islands are equivalent to USA prices. You will not really see lower rates unless you are willing to go to Trinidad & Tobago, Colombia or Central America.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Cromie via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:20 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

 

I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra

 

 


Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

James Cromie
 

Thank you Mark.  This is helpful.  Yes, I will need to give a wide berth on the coast of Venezuela.  
Have you (or anyone else on the forum) visited Los Roques?  I presume that this would not be a safe stop at this point in time.  

Best,
James

On Mar 23, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Grenada is not impacted by the Venezuela instability, neither are the ABC’s.

 

The passage from Grenada to Trinidad and Tobago has become a little dodgy. The Coast Guard is asking for float plans of vessels making the passage so they can keep an eye on them. When passage making to the ABCs it is best to give Venezuela a wide berth by departing from a higher island. We departed Guadeloupe for Bonaire. You will also have better winds with this angle.

 

Grenada offers affordable haul outs as does Curacao Marine in the ABCs. Rates for work done on these islands are equivalent to USA prices. You will not really see lower rates unless you are willing to go to Trinidad & Tobago, Colombia or Central America.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Cromie via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:20 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

 

I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa sheet cars

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks everyone, I think I’ve got it now !

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437


Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

James Cromie
 

Giorgio - Thank you so much for the info!  I will definitely contact Daniella.  I have heard that there is some concern of piracy / theft when sailing between Trinidad and Grenada or near the Venezuela coast in that region. I believe that air and sea travel has been suspended on the border of Trinidad and Venezuela based on the UK.gov website.. 

-James

On Mar 23, 2019, at 5:11 PM, Giorgio Ardrizzi <giorgio.ardrizzi@...> wrote:

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.
The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.
The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.
They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.
In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.
In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.
Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.
The address is: reservations@...

If you want more info I am at your disposal.
Good luck.
Giorgio Ardrizzi
Saudade III - Sharki #1


Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra




Re: SM main furler motor

Ian Townsend
 

Thanks Mark, EXACTLY what I needed to know. I owe you a tube of Molykote to put the cover back on!

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Mar 23, 2019, at 12:33 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Ian,

 

A few years ago, I burned out the furling motor. I ordered a new one from Amel and keep the old one to repair one day. I just had it repaired in Colombia at an electric motor shop (US$60 – Gotta love Colombia). Here are the pictures of the original. Perhaps this will help.

 

Furling motor.JPG

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ian Townsend
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 5:53 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] SM main furler motor

 

Thx Bill. I have done so, just awaiting response. I know the gearbox model/specs and have ordered it from the distributor in the US. Last time I communicated with Maude they did not have any stock. I'm really looking for the RPM and HP/KW and can match to the using dimensions I have from the Bonfiglioli catalog. I think it must be a fairly standard electric motor otherwise it would likely be sold together with the gearbox. But maybe I am wrong about this. 

Ian & Margaret

S/V Loca Lola II 

SM153

Exumas, Bahamas


On Mar 22, 2019, at 5:34 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Ian, 

 

I think you should ask SAV. Over the years, I believe there was more than one Bonfiglioli gearbox used by for Amel.

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St.

Galveston, Texas 77550

832-380-4970

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On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 3:02 PM Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...> wrote:

I have a new Bonfiglioli MVF44 gearbox on order for our mainsail furler. Does anyone know the proper motor that goes with this? I've searched the database and can only find information on the SN with a different gearbox. 

Thanks all.

Ian
SM153
Loca Lola II 
Exumas, Bahamas


Re: Ballooner

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi again Pat,

just an extension to my previous to emphasize to value of following the wind.

On one voyage from New Zealand to Fiji, around 1200 miles we set off in wind just aft of the beam. We set big headsail, main, mizzen and mizzen staysail and put the auto helm on wind steer. The wind varied to port around 20 degrees and the auto helm followed, about 24 hours later it varied 20 degrees back to starboard for about 24 hours and so it was all the way. We never adjusted sheets the whole way. wind varied from 8 to 20 knots and we averaged 200 miles a day.

Now that I call a dream run.

But the dream came from going with the wind rather than holding the rhumb line. If we had followed the rhumb line we would have been adjusting and changing sails all the way.

Cheers

Danny

SM 299 Ocean pearl

On 24 March 2019 at 06:52 Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Pat,

you can get 15 to 20 degrees either side. 20 can be tricky and you need to play with sheet tensions. The Amel owners manual say reef if the true wind gets above 20 knots at which time the apparent would be 10 to 12 as you would be exceeding 8 knots and over 10 at times. If the wind does shift on you on a long passage, just go with it for some hours, it is quite likely to change back again and the deviation from the rhumb line wont cost you much in time.And if it doesn't change back you will have got yourself on to a good reach as you come back up on course. win win.  Another tip. If you get a sudden change that brings you on to a reach you can just drop the windward sail across to lie inside the other. You can carry on like that for some time. Another tip. The swivel at the top of the fore stay has a small locating tongue going into the track. This has a habit of wearing through. Without it it is near impossible to get the latch to hold the ballooner up. We are enjoying your face book posts

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 24 March 2019 at 00:26 "Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

I have never had an opportunity to sail down wind using the ballooner other than a couple of short hops years ago. I may have an opportunity to use it between the BVIs and Bahamas. A couple of questions . How many degrees either side of downwind can you sail with the ballooner and at what apparent wind would you begin to reef sails ?
Thanks ,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Virgin Gorda,BVI


 


 


Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

Giorgio Ardrizzi
 

Hi James, I left for the second year my Amel Sharki from Peake Shipyard in Chaguaramas Bay Trinidad.
The shipyard works like a Swiss watch and all the staff is very helpful.
The prices compared to the various marinas on the islands are much lower and the service it's great.
They have a shipchandler inside and various technicians capable of performing any kind of work.
In addition, Trinidad is practically at the lower end of the hurricane belt and is an event that occurred 3 or 4 times in a century.
In this moment there are 4 Amel in the yard.
Write an email to Daniella, the person responsible for the reservations and get a quote for your boat.
The address is: reservations@...

If you want more info I am at your disposal.
Good luck.
Giorgio Ardrizzi
Saudade III - Sharki #1


Il Sab 23 Mar 2019, 21:19 James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie=yahoo.com@groups.io> ha scritto:
I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra


Re: Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

Mark Erdos
 

Grenada is not impacted by the Venezuela instability, neither are the ABC’s.

 

The passage from Grenada to Trinidad and Tobago has become a little dodgy. The Coast Guard is asking for float plans of vessels making the passage so they can keep an eye on them. When passage making to the ABCs it is best to give Venezuela a wide berth by departing from a higher island. We departed Guadeloupe for Bonaire. You will also have better winds with this angle.

 

Grenada offers affordable haul outs as does Curacao Marine in the ABCs. Rates for work done on these islands are equivalent to USA prices. You will not really see lower rates unless you are willing to go to Trinidad & Tobago, Colombia or Central America.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Cromie via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2019 4:20 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Long term storage options in southern Caribbean

 

I'd like to ask the forum for recommendations on safe and affordable locations for storing our boat for 3 - 4 months.  
Martinique is a great option, but there are perhaps better locations for getting work manual labor type jobs done at more affordable rates.  
Grenada seems to be historically a popular place, but I wonder about the current situation with more instability in nearby Venezuela.

Any advice or recommendations is greatly appreciated!

Best,
James Cromie
SV Soteria #347
Culebra

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