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Re: Copper earthing/bonding strap broken in bilge on Amel 54

JOHN HAYES
 

Brilliant Denise Bill and others

NGA Waka is on the slip so brought copper bar and following your contributions 

Any one replaced the HF radio earth sitting under the hills bit abaft of the mizzenmast on a Santorin?  Ours is pretty pitted and could usefully be replaced

Any thoughts gratefully received 

Best John Hayes hull 41



On 3/04/2019, at 4:46 AM, Denise McGovern <Mcgovern.denise@...> wrote:

Luckily there is a YouTube video from Mother Ship Adrift on exactly this: https://youtu.be/NYPxUt55tjk 

Denise
s/v CARA
Chesapeake Bay


Re: Copper earthing/bonding strap broken in bilge on Amel 54

James Alton
 

Tom,

I also need to replace the bonding strap on my Maramu and took Bill’s advice to purchase some 1/8” x 2” copper. I think that using the thicker copper is a good idea and should make the strap less vulnerable to damage from bilge cleaning and corrosion. Since I am not at my boat currently I scaled the drawing for the Maramu and determined that the copper strap length should be around 55-60” so I purchased a 5’ pc. I will post the exact measurements once I have done this job on Sueno. Perhaps someone else that has done this job on a Maramu can confirm the required strap length and also the size of the nut on the aft keel bolt holding the strap.

Best of luck with your project,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Apr 2, 2019, at 5:42 PM, amel46met <onboardaphrodite@...> wrote:



Sent from my iPhone Bill do you have information for the bonding strap on a 1983 Maramu thanks Tom
Aphrodite #123
Saint Bart’s


Re: Copper earthing/bonding strap broken in bilge on Amel 54

 

Tom,

I do not, but I hope someone with a Maramu and this knowledge will answer.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 4:42 PM amel46met <onboardaphrodite@...> wrote:


  Bill do you have information for the bonding strap on a 1983 Maramu thanks Tom
Aphrodite #123
Saint Bart’s



Re: Dessalator shuts down for no apparent reason - CAT Pump Modification for less than 160 liters

Paul Dowd <paul.dowd@...>
 

Bill,

 

I do believe Arno is right about the motor overheating. I changed over to using the 230V motor and that got very hot and then came to a halt. So I am puzzled about what it is about the new pump that is causing both motors to overheat. Could it be belts too tight? I allow for about an inch of depression in the middle. Could it be too much oil in the pump or the wrong kind?

 

I do not think it is any of the possibilities you mentioned Bill as the red light dos not come on, the pressure is normal, and the water seems fine.

 

Cheers,

 

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 30 March 2019 11:11
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessalator shuts down for no apparent reason - CAT Pump Modification for less than 160 liters

 

Paul,

 

You might want to check with Dessalator. I think the 3 common reasons for shutdown are:

  1. Over Pressure - Sometimes caused by a faulty pressure gauge, or a pressure sensor
  2. High TDS - What is your measured TDS of the product water?
  3. Lack of water flow - check everything from outside your boat to the HP pump (the line from outside through the valve to the strainer, hoses, all the way to through the pre-filter

I believe that all of the above will show a red light. Of course it could be other things.

 

I hope this helps you find the issue.

 

CAT Pump Modification on Dessalator Systems less than 160l:

This is the first time that I heard that Dessalator removes a piston on the CAT HP pump in order to reduce the flow for systems less than 160 liter. I find this very interesting and those who have purchased a CAT HP pump for Dessalator systems less than 160l from sources other than Dessalator, should take note. Paul, if you could, could you post anything else that you have on this subject.

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St.

Galveston, Texas 77550

832-380-4970

 

 

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 8:29 AM Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <yafohi@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I have a Dessalator 100 Duo and have just installed a brand new CAT pump supplied by Dessalator (i.e. with the centre piston removed). I use the 24V motor. All seems to be working well except that now the watermaker shuts down for no apparant reason after about half an hour. The red warning light does not go on, and the breaker does not trip. If I restart it after a short while it shuts down again within a few minutes. If I leave it until the next day it runs for about half an hour then shuts down. I changed the pre-filter but still the same thing happens. This only started happening after about 6-7 hours of use after having installed the new pump.

I would be interested to know if anyone has experienced this problem and if so how it was fixed. .

--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Copper earthing/bonding strap broken in bilge on Amel 54

amel46met
 

Sent from my iPhone Bill do you have information for the bonding strap on a 1983 Maramu thanks Tom
Aphrodite #123
Saint Bart’s


Re: Copper earthing/bonding strap broken in bilge on Amel 54

Rainer Huthmacher
 

Very impressive Bill, once more it shows that you are the leading authority about Amels...


On 2 Apr 2019, at 20:59, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

What he does in the video works, but there is too much to say about what is wrong with this video.

I have 3 pages in my Amel book devoted to this job, but if you follow these steps you will do a good job.

1. Fabricate the replacement Bonding Strap with about 1/8" thick copper stock about 2" wide.
2. Empty as much water as possible using the manual bilge pump until it sucks air.
3. Place a towel over the C-Drive and engine angle iron frame to protect it from water.
4. Remove the two wires to the Gray Water Float Switch Assembly.
5. Pull the gray colored Float Switch Assembly toward aft out of its clamps and up placing the wet end in a
bucket and handing it to crew on deck. Have crew clean it & continue next step.
6. Pull each of the pump hoses up one at a time while using degreaser/cleaner to clean each as you pull it
out. Then place the end of the hose pointed up and the hose to the side.
7. Using a wet/vacuum, suck the remaining water & sludge from the bottom, until totally dry
8. Remove the 30mm stainless steel nut on the stainless steel keel stud with a 30mm socket connected to
extensions totaling 3 feet or 1 meter. You will need a Flexible Grabber Pickup Tool (pictured) to pick up
the nut and pieces of Bonding Strap.
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9. Remove the pieces of old Bonding Strap, There is also a small "flat head" machine screw holding the
Bonding Strap against the forward port side of the bilge sump (I did not replace it). At the top of the old
Bonding Strap, cut the loose strap end, leaving only the bundle of soldered wires, wrapped with copper.
10. Install the new Bonding Strap. PEARL: Use masking tape around the nut to hold it in the socket.
11. Locate the soldered bundle of about 12 wires and drill a 9mm hole through the bundle and bolt it to the
top of the new Bonding Strap, using an 8mm brass or bronze bolt/nut to secure it in place.
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Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 10:46 AM Denise McGovern <Mcgovern.denise@...> wrote:
Luckily there is a YouTube video from Mother Ship Adrift on exactly this: https://youtu.be/NYPxUt55tjk 

Denise
s/v CARA
Chesapeake Bay


Re: Copper earthing/bonding strap broken in bilge on Amel 54

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi AMEL Gang,

Thanks a lot for all your great input and Barry to bring the topic to the Forum. Therefore a lot of cleaning work on WASABI will be a head of us.
I suppose the Bilge was never emptied to the ground the last ten years. So some treasure of the bilge may come up tomorrow ;-)

Best regards
Ruedi
WASABI 
AMEL 54 #55


Re: Copper earthing/bonding strap broken in bilge on Amel 54

 

What he does in the video works, but there is too much to say about what is wrong with this video.

I have 3 pages in my Amel book devoted to this job, but if you follow these steps you will do a good job.

1. Fabricate the replacement Bonding Strap with about 1/8" thick copper stock about 2" wide.
2. Empty as much water as possible using the manual bilge pump until it sucks air.
3. Place a towel over the C-Drive and engine angle iron frame to protect it from water.
4. Remove the two wires to the Gray Water Float Switch Assembly.
5. Pull the gray colored Float Switch Assembly toward aft out of its clamps and up placing the wet end in a
bucket and handing it to crew on deck. Have crew clean it & continue next step.
6. Pull each of the pump hoses up one at a time while using degreaser/cleaner to clean each as you pull it
out. Then place the end of the hose pointed up and the hose to the side.
7. Using a wet/vacuum, suck the remaining water & sludge from the bottom, until totally dry
8. Remove the 30mm stainless steel nut on the stainless steel keel stud with a 30mm socket connected to
extensions totaling 3 feet or 1 meter. You will need a Flexible Grabber Pickup Tool (pictured) to pick up
the nut and pieces of Bonding Strap.
image.png
9. Remove the pieces of old Bonding Strap, There is also a small "flat head" machine screw holding the
Bonding Strap against the forward port side of the bilge sump (I did not replace it). At the top of the old
Bonding Strap, cut the loose strap end, leaving only the bundle of soldered wires, wrapped with copper.
10. Install the new Bonding Strap. PEARL: Use masking tape around the nut to hold it in the socket.
11. Locate the soldered bundle of about 12 wires and drill a 9mm hole through the bundle and bolt it to the
top of the new Bonding Strap, using an 8mm brass or bronze bolt/nut to secure it in place.
image.png

image.png
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 10:46 AM Denise McGovern <Mcgovern.denise@...> wrote:
Luckily there is a YouTube video from Mother Ship Adrift on exactly this: https://youtu.be/NYPxUt55tjk 

Denise
s/v CARA
Chesapeake Bay


Re: Copper earthing/bonding strap broken in bilge on Amel 54

Barry Connor
 

Hi Rick,

Thank's for that info. When I go tomorrow I will be looking for something stronger than a thin strap. Maybe get the pipe and just flatten it with a solid hammer and bend it to shape, no need to cut it in half.

Best Regards

Barry,
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019, 1:48:41 PM EDT, Rick Grimes <rickgrimes1@...> wrote:


You have lots of help on this one. But I’ll offer up this (used on my ASM2K): While in Panama, I purchased a 1/4th inch thick copper bar, bent it into shape and installed it to replace my paper thin copper strap (which, like yours, had worn out and was detached.)  You will need to measure it out carefully and have the tools to bend it and to drill the right size hole to fit the bolt. Maybe over done but it will last a lot longer.  I used duct tape to keep the nut in place when I put it back on.   Good luck! 

--
Rick & Linda Grimes
S/V Rascal 
2003 ASM2K #404


Re: Copper earthing/bonding strap broken in bilge on Amel 54

Rick Grimes
 

You have lots of help on this one. But I’ll offer up this (used on my ASM2K): While in Panama, I purchased a 1/4th inch thick copper bar, bent it into shape and installed it to replace my paper thin copper strap (which, like yours, had worn out and was detached.)  You will need to measure it out carefully and have the tools to bend it and to drill the right size hole to fit the bolt. Maybe over done but it will last a lot longer.  I used duct tape to keep the nut in place when I put it back on.   Good luck! 

--
Rick & Linda Grimes
S/V Rascal 
2003 ASM2K #404


Re: Copper earthing/bonding strap broken in bilge on Amel 54

Mark McGovern
 
Edited

Barry,

There is also a folder in the photos section:  https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/album?id=84439

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Copper earthing/bonding strap broken in bilge on Amel 54

Barry Connor
 

Thank you.
Problem no more, now a clear way forward.
The video does show how to go about it. I will start to assemble the bits and let you know how we get on.

Best Regards

Barry
AMEL 54. #17
I will never regret buying an AMEL and being able to access this forum.



On Apr 2, 2019, at 17:46, Denise McGovern <Mcgovern.denise@...> wrote:

Luckily there is a YouTube video from Mother Ship Adrift on exactly this: https://youtu.be/NYPxUt55tjk 

Denise
s/v CARA
Chesapeake Bay


Re: Copper earthing/bonding strap broken in bilge on Amel 54

Denise McGovern
 

Luckily there is a YouTube video from Mother Ship Adrift on exactly this: https://youtu.be/NYPxUt55tjk 

Denise
s/v CARA
Chesapeake Bay


Re: Copper earthing/bonding strap broken in bilge on Amel 54

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Barry,

You will need to make up a long extender to a 32mm socket (I think).  Just buy some mild steel rectangular tube and get a welder to put a T bar at the top and shape the bottom to fit the socket, such that it comes up to where you can put a bit of force on it.  Then you can undo the nut.  I suggest you get an aqua-vac to suck out all the water at the bottom of the bilge first. Then either buy a copper strip or use a piece of say 28mm copper pipe and hammer it flat and drill a hole in it it to fit over the keel bolt stub. There you have your new copper bonding strip. At the top end make sure you cut off the old wire an inch or two and put new terminals that you can bolt to the strip.

Nick

Amelia AML 54-019 
 

On 2 Apr 2019, at 16:30, Barry Connor via Groups.Io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

I have a problem with my keel grounding strap. Any help and advise would be greatly appreciated.
After cleaning out my bilge I saw the earthing strap was broken at the bottom. Rudi (Amel 54 "Wasabi") who is also at Marina di Ragusa has the same problem on his 54. I can see the keel bolt with a nut holding whats left of the strap where it attaches to the keel.
I contacted Amel Hyeres and they do not have a replacement for this copper strap.
Can anyone advise what would be the best and simplest way to go about reconnecting this grounding strap. I can not reach the nut on top of the keel bolt to take off the top nut. I can make out that their is a nut underneath which is holding the keel bolt firmly.
My thought is should I get copper strip or use a heavy gauge copper wire?
Is it possible to get a tool to reach the keel bolt to take off the nut?
The broken strap is still in water at the bottom of the bilge, would this work to make the grounding, and then I would not need to replace the strap? (This is probably a very bad idea, but tell me why as we need to know)
If anyone can advise me and Rudi as to  how to reconnect our broken grounding straps we still have a few weeks before leaving here.

Thank's

Barry and Penelope Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa. Sicily <Amel 54 _17 Broken earth_grounding strap .pdf>


Copper earthing/bonding strap broken in bilge on Amel 54

Barry Connor
 

I have a problem with my keel grounding strap. Any help and advise would be greatly appreciated.
After cleaning out my bilge I saw the earthing strap was broken at the bottom. Rudi (Amel 54 "Wasabi") who is also at Marina di Ragusa has the same problem on his 54. I can see the keel bolt with a nut holding whats left of the strap where it attaches to the keel.
I contacted Amel Hyeres and they do not have a replacement for this copper strap.
Can anyone advise what would be the best and simplest way to go about reconnecting this grounding strap. I can not reach the nut on top of the keel bolt to take off the top nut. I can make out that their is a nut underneath which is holding the keel bolt firmly.
My thought is should I get copper strip or use a heavy gauge copper wire?
Is it possible to get a tool to reach the keel bolt to take off the nut?
The broken strap is still in water at the bottom of the bilge, would this work to make the grounding, and then I would not need to replace the strap? (This is probably a very bad idea, but tell me why as we need to know)
If anyone can advise me and Rudi as to  how to reconnect our broken grounding straps we still have a few weeks before leaving here.

Thank's

Barry and Penelope Connor
"Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa. Sicily


Re: Pump running

 
Edited

Pat, something like this (Home Depot) will work up to 200PSI. I think that you can find these pressure system check valves in many places, especially places that have water wells and accompanying water pumps.

image.png
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:21 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Pat, 

I am not sure my suggested valve will work for you with a freshwater system pressurized to 2 BAR. The valve I posted is for a suction line.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:17 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Pat,

The Jabsco pump has an internal one-way valve, but I am not sure it is serviceable. However, with a leaking internal one-way valve, possibly, you can add an external one-way valve:


Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 6:10 AM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Oliver, I did not know to even think of that possibility. I will have a look, we have the foot pedal depress as it would rub on the sink door. Bill I have Jabsco pump ,original long gone.
Thanks,
Pat
Sailing to Culebra


Re: Pump running

 

Pat, 

I am not sure my suggested valve will work for you with a freshwater system pressurized to 2 BAR. The valve I posted is for a suction line.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:17 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Pat,

The Jabsco pump has an internal one-way valve, but I am not sure it is serviceable. However, with a leaking internal one-way valve, possibly, you can add an external one-way valve:
image.png

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 6:10 AM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Oliver, I did not know to even think of that possibility. I will have a look, we have the foot pedal depress as it would rub on the sink door. Bill I have Jabsco pump ,original long gone.
Thanks,
Pat
Sailing to Culebra


Re: Pump running

 

Pat,

The Jabsco pump has an internal one-way valve, but I am not sure it is serviceable. However, with a leaking internal one-way valve, possibly, you can add an external one-way valve:
image.png

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 6:10 AM Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Oliver, I did not know to even think of that possibility. I will have a look, we have the foot pedal depress as it would rub on the sink door. Bill I have Jabsco pump ,original long gone.
Thanks,
Pat
Sailing to Culebra


Re: SM2000 for sale in NZ.

 

James,

You should go to YachtsForSale at https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/yachtforsale and join the subgroup.

Then you should send an email to: yachtforsale"at"AmelYachtOwners.groups.io informing interested members that your SM is for sale.

Best,

Bill Rouse



On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 2:00 AM James Studdart <james.studdart@...> wrote:
Hello all,
 I posted a while ago that our boat was for sale but we have finally moved off of our beautiful Super Maramu 2000 and she is now ready for viewing in Whangerei, New Zealand. We have a webpage with most of the pertinent info here:
 
 
Briefly, she is a 2002 SM hull number 344 with a Yanmar engine and a few well chosen upgrades (inverter, solar, water maker). She also has nearly new sails, rigging and dingy. We have just finished our three and half year trip from France to New Zealand and I wouldn't have any hesitation setting sail again.
 
Feel free to email me directly at james.studdart@... if you have any questions.
 
Cheers,
 James Studdart
 SeaBean SM344
 New Zealand


Re: SM2000 for Sale

 

Paul,

You should go to YachtsForSale at https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/yachtforsale and join the subgroup.

Then you should send an email to: yachtforsale"at"AmelYachtOwners.groups.io informing interested members that your SM is for sale.

Best,

Bill Rouse



On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:52 PM Paul Cooper via Groups.Io <paul.cooper74=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Due to an unexpected escalation of a medical problem I will no longer be able to continue the cruising life.  So it is with great regret that we must sell our 1999 SM 2000, "Maracuya", after putting over $35,000 worth of improvements and upgrades into her over the past 6 months to make her comfy and seaworthy. (My pride and joy is the 730W of newest generation solar on the arch) The boat is being brokered by Stephanie and JP of Caraibe Yachts (Caribbean Yachts) in Le Marin, Martinique . (stephanie.dupland at caribbean-yachts dotcom)  It is listed on yachtworld and boats.com.  Due to time constraints she is priced to sell quickly.  Thanks to all who have contributed in answering my various questions in the past (ping pong ball).  Don't worry, we intend to continue sailing on Amels, just on OPBs hint hint.   https://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/1999-amel-super-maramu-2000-7029684/?refSource=standard%20listing

Paul C.
SM2K no. 238 "Maracuya"