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Re: Insurance updates.

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Well done. But wait to see the detail before you open the champagne.

Danny

SS 299

Ocean pearl

On 01 May 2019 at 03:13 "Alexandre Uster von Baar via Groups.Io" <uster@...> wrote:



Back in December Helvetia (subscribed through DeLassee Insurance) made a better (still very unfair) offer, which my french lawyers pressed me to accept, but it came with a special clause or exemption that would completely exonerate Helvetia from anything now on…

I was a bit stunned my lawyers did not warn me that this meant that “I” would be responsible for dealing with “the rest” of the stuff (for example the Simpson Bay Marina suing boat owners for damages to the dock).

I said no and wrote one of them that I was questioning which interest they were defending… Mine? The insurance? or theirs?
… and in the case of refuse by the insurance I will seek another lawyer to sue the insurance.

There was a back and forth letters asking for the removal then modification of the clause, lots of delay from the insurance to reply, either the guy was on vacation for 3 weeks or the office was closed for the Holliday, etc. but, phrase differently, still the insurance kept some of the clause, lawyers suggest I would add a hand written note, which the insurance refused yesterday.
So now I was heading to court.

So yesterday I wrote the lawyers that, since the insurance said NO, I was going to hire a different lawyer for the “full amount” (not the unfair offer), plus everything that was always denied even thought written in the contrat such as expertise fee, lawyers fee, etc.

Then today guess what?
While it usually take 30 days for the insurance to reply to any letter, my lawyer email me “the insurance has cracked” with a document to signed without the exemption…

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Thu, 2/28/19, Alexandre Uster von Baar via Groups.Io <uster@...> wrote:

Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance updates.
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Date: Thursday, February 28, 2019, 12:56 PM

Over 2 months later, and despite 2 more
letters from my lawyers to ask the settlement clauses to be
notified still nothing.
So today I called Helvetia and said
these clauses were not acceptable, that they should know by
now that I will not let go, that personally I wanted to go
to trial, but my lawyers want to solve the issue
peacefully.
The person said he will contact the
legal department to see about changing the clauses. 
(last time my lawyers ask them, they supposedly were very
busy and needed more time).
Always excuses..
So will see.

Now regarding Pantaneus (reminder: one
of their insured lost control and hit my vessel in Nassau in
July 2014).  They still not have sent the ridiculous
amount they agreed to pay.
Helvetia said that Mr Thomas Mullady
does not reply any of their email.  Helvetia assures
me, they do everything to obtain that payment.
I told them, if in 2014 then you did
not want to hire a lawyer for $20.000 I doubt you will hire
one for less.  They assure me again I would be
reimbursed.

Personally I will NEVER use insurance
again (aside for the required liability).  It is
obvious they are ALL dishonest.
In the pasts, I heard many “horror”
stories, I thought this was exaggerations from upset people,
unfortunately this is all true.

On a side note, the french customs
asked me to pay “this year” (2019) annual fee for the
boat (which they know sunk in 2017), but we solved that.

Sincerely, Alexandre





Re: Insurance updates.

eric freedman
 

Congratulations
Fair Winds
Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alexandre Uster von Baar via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 11:13 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance updates.


Back in December Helvetia (subscribed through DeLassee Insurance) made a better (still very unfair) offer, which my french lawyers pressed me to accept, but it came with a special clause or exemption that would completely exonerate Helvetia from anything now on…

I was a bit stunned my lawyers did not warn me that this meant that “I” would be responsible for dealing with “the rest” of the stuff (for example the Simpson Bay Marina suing boat owners for damages to the dock).

I said no and wrote one of them that I was questioning which interest they were defending… Mine? The insurance? or theirs?
… and in the case of refuse by the insurance I will seek another lawyer to sue the insurance.

There was a back and forth letters asking for the removal then modification of the clause, lots of delay from the insurance to reply, either the guy was on vacation for 3 weeks or the office was closed for the Holliday, etc. but, phrase differently, still the insurance kept some of the clause, lawyers suggest I would add a hand written note, which the insurance refused yesterday.
So now I was heading to court.

So yesterday I wrote the lawyers that, since the insurance said NO, I was going to hire a different lawyer for the “full amount” (not the unfair offer), plus everything that was always denied even thought written in the contrat such as expertise fee, lawyers fee, etc.

Then today guess what?
While it usually take 30 days for the insurance to reply to any letter, my lawyer email me “the insurance has cracked” with a document to signed without the exemption…

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2/28/19, Alexandre Uster von Baar via Groups.Io <uster=rocketmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance updates.
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Date: Thursday, February 28, 2019, 12:56 PM

Over 2 months later, and despite 2 more
letters from my lawyers to ask the settlement clauses to be
notified still nothing.
So today I called Helvetia and said
these clauses were not acceptable, that they should know by
now that I will not let go, that personally I wanted to go
to trial, but my lawyers want to solve the issue
peacefully.
The person said he will contact the
legal department to see about changing the clauses.
(last time my lawyers ask them, they supposedly were very
busy and needed more time).
Always excuses..
So will see.

Now regarding Pantaneus (reminder: one
of their insured lost control and hit my vessel in Nassau in
July 2014). They still not have sent the ridiculous
amount they agreed to pay.
Helvetia said that Mr Thomas Mullady
does not reply any of their email. Helvetia assures
me, they do everything to obtain that payment.
I told them, if in 2014 then you did
not want to hire a lawyer for $20.000 I doubt you will hire
one for less. They assure me again I would be
reimbursed.

Personally I will NEVER use insurance
again (aside for the required liability). It is
obvious they are ALL dishonest.
In the pasts, I heard many “horror”
stories, I thought this was exaggerations from upset people,
unfortunately this is all true.

On a side note, the french customs
asked me to pay “this year” (2019) annual fee for the
boat (which they know sunk in 2017), but we solved that.

Sincerely, Alexandre


Re: Insurance updates.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Back in December Helvetia (subscribed through DeLassee Insurance) made a better (still very unfair) offer, which my french lawyers pressed me to accept, but it came with a special clause or exemption that would completely exonerate Helvetia from anything now on…

I was a bit stunned my lawyers did not warn me that this meant that “I” would be responsible for dealing with “the rest” of the stuff (for example the Simpson Bay Marina suing boat owners for damages to the dock).

I said no and wrote one of them that I was questioning which interest they were defending… Mine? The insurance? or theirs?
… and in the case of refuse by the insurance I will seek another lawyer to sue the insurance.

There was a back and forth letters asking for the removal then modification of the clause, lots of delay from the insurance to reply, either the guy was on vacation for 3 weeks or the office was closed for the Holliday, etc. but, phrase differently, still the insurance kept some of the clause, lawyers suggest I would add a hand written note, which the insurance refused yesterday.
So now I was heading to court.

So yesterday I wrote the lawyers that, since the insurance said NO, I was going to hire a different lawyer for the “full amount” (not the unfair offer), plus everything that was always denied even thought written in the contrat such as expertise fee, lawyers fee, etc.

Then today guess what?
While it usually take 30 days for the insurance to reply to any letter, my lawyer email me “the insurance has cracked” with a document to signed without the exemption…

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 2/28/19, Alexandre Uster von Baar via Groups.Io <uster=rocketmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance updates.
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Date: Thursday, February 28, 2019, 12:56 PM

Over 2 months later, and despite 2 more
letters from my lawyers to ask the settlement clauses to be
notified still nothing.
So today I called Helvetia and said
these clauses were not acceptable, that they should know by
now that I will not let go, that personally I wanted to go
to trial, but my lawyers want to solve the issue
peacefully.
The person said he will contact the
legal department to see about changing the clauses. 
(last time my lawyers ask them, they supposedly were very
busy and needed more time).
Always excuses..
So will see.

Now regarding Pantaneus (reminder: one
of their insured lost control and hit my vessel in Nassau in
July 2014).  They still not have sent the ridiculous
amount they agreed to pay.
Helvetia said that Mr Thomas Mullady
does not reply any of their email.  Helvetia assures
me, they do everything to obtain that payment.
I told them, if in 2014 then you did
not want to hire a lawyer for $20.000 I doubt you will hire
one for less.  They assure me again I would be
reimbursed.

Personally I will NEVER use insurance
again (aside for the required liability).  It is
obvious they are ALL dishonest.
In the pasts, I heard many “horror”
stories, I thought this was exaggerations from upset people,
unfortunately this is all true.

On a side note, the french customs
asked me to pay “this year” (2019) annual fee for the
boat (which they know sunk in 2017), but we solved that.

Sincerely, Alexandre


Re: 100 amp charger on sm2k

ngtnewington Newington
 

When I purchased Amelia in 2017 both Dolphins were dead. I replaced the 100 amp with a Xantrex inverter charger(Special offer at Budget marine Grenada)8 and a 30A Mastervolt, which still works fine but judging from this forum I shoulda gone Victron. It is easy to be wise. Still I am happy with solar, wind, 175A Alternator, Xantrex, Mastervolt. Between that lot we gonna be well charged whatever.....on my last quick passsage north from La Palma, my battery bank stayed at 100% for the entire passage despite running deep freeze and two fridges, radar and autopilot 24/7. Mind you the apparent wind was drumming permanent 20-35kn. The wind generators were cranking. Enjoying peace and tranquility of Funchal....
Nick
Amelia in Funchal 

AML54-019


On 29 Apr 2019, at 21:20, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

.....king Mastervolt



On 28 Apr 2019, at 08:16, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

My original 100 amp Dolphin died about 4 years ago, and it made me nervous anyway because it lacked a battery temperature sensor. I replaced it with a 100 amp Mastervolt charger, which seems to have died this weekend....having verified all connections and voltage and still getting nothing. Wondering what others have chosen when replacing the Dolphin. Having done several hours of customer complaint sleuthing it seems that the Mastervolt can be temperature sensitive and the battery chargers on a SM are relatively close to the gen.


Re: 100 amp charger on sm2k

ngtnewington Newington
 

.....king Mastervolt



On 28 Apr 2019, at 08:16, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

My original 100 amp Dolphin died about 4 years ago, and it made me nervous anyway because it lacked a battery temperature sensor. I replaced it with a 100 amp Mastervolt charger, which seems to have died this weekend....having verified all connections and voltage and still getting nothing. Wondering what others have chosen when replacing the Dolphin. Having done several hours of customer complaint sleuthing it seems that the Mastervolt can be temperature sensitive and the battery chargers on a SM are relatively close to the gen.


Re: Changing engine bearings Amel Mango Perkins 4.236

Frederic F
 

Hello James,

excellent that are the pictures I was looking for! Thank you very much.

All the best,
Frederic


Re: 100 amp charger on sm2k

Ian Townsend
 

Kent, why did you choose the 80/24 vs. the 100/24? 

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Exumas, Bahamas

On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:40 PM, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

I have had the Skylla 80/24 for 3 years now for my 520AHr bank of deep cycle lead-acid batteries.  So far no problems whatsoever.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Apr 28, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

We have had a Victron Skylla 100/24 on Elyse since the old Dolphins died 5 years ago. Very good experience, no problems at all. Very flexible and versatile charger, mode selectable for all types of batteries. We have 660Ah of 6V AGM batteries in 3 banks of 4 with balancers, works very well.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: SM Fairlead

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

Hi there
Stainless steel is smoother & harder, therefore may be better choice to keep lines under tension & avoid chafing Under heavy stress; do not know effect of heating when tension is constant & applies compression to strands. Easy to clean from salt deposits. Only drawback would be that Stainless steel grade 316 is brittle & does not like shocks (unlikely to happen) … Still cheaper (@30%) than Alm 
However, I have 38 years old Aluminium faileads on our 'Big Mama' & being slightly softer allow lines to compress & move without damage other than heating when under heavy constant strain. Alm casting is resilient & can take blows, easy to smooth down … 
your choice, Shine & save vs Light & soft …
fair winds, & smooth moorings

christian alby - Désirade VIII ( Maramu 116 - now in Canet




Le ‎dimanche‎ ‎28‎ ‎avril‎ ‎2019‎ ‎13‎:‎40‎:‎11‎ ‎AST, Keith Tice <amel@...> a écrit :


Hi Christian,

Thanks for the hint. I checked out the web site and believe that I can find a good solution with them.
For friction reduction, I wonder if Stainless Steel or Aluminum is preferable.

Fair winds

Keith Tice
Bikini - SM2K #282


On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:29, christian alby via Groups.Io <calbyy@...> wrote:

hi there Keith
check 
they have a wide range of alm & ss fairleads made by 4 DEK UK which accomodate old fashioned deck arrangements
guess you may find proper replacement there
fair Wind

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Canet



Le ‎vendredi‎ ‎26‎ ‎avril‎ ‎2019‎ ‎21‎:‎55‎:‎16‎ ‎AST, Keith Tice <amel@...> a écrit :


My SM2K stern fairleads need to be replaced.
Amel no longer offers this part.
The port fairlead is warped and the starboard fairlead was replaced by the previous owner, but the replacement fairlead is biting into the 20mm mooring lines.
I have been unable to locate a fairlead as large and smooth as the original fairleads fitted by Amel.
The previous owner told me that Amel switched to roller fairleads, but that they do not fit the available space on the SM2K.

Keith Tice
Bikini - SM2K #282


Re: 100 amp charger on sm2k

karkauai
 

I have had the Skylla 80/24 for 3 years now for my 520AHr bank of deep cycle lead-acid batteries.  So far no problems whatsoever.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Apr 28, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

We have had a Victron Skylla 100/24 on Elyse since the old Dolphins died 5 years ago. Very good experience, no problems at all. Very flexible and versatile charger, mode selectable for all types of batteries. We have 660Ah of 6V AGM batteries in 3 banks of 4 with balancers, works very well.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: 100 amp charger on sm2k

Alan Leslie
 

We have had a Victron Skylla 100/24 on Elyse since the old Dolphins died 5 years ago. Very good experience, no problems at all. Very flexible and versatile charger, mode selectable for all types of batteries. We have 660Ah of 6V AGM batteries in 3 banks of 4 with balancers, works very well.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Outhaul-furler motor shaft failure

Mike Ondra
 

We have now had the second Leroy Somer motor shaft shear off where in enters the gearbox. First the outhaul 2 years ago, and now the mainsail furler. Sheared at same location. Rust evidence of possible stress crack that eventually left maybe 10%-15% of the shaft in tact that then sheared off. Aletes is 20 years old. Has anyone else experienced this? Had a spare for the first failure, now sourcing a replacement for the second failure.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Chesapeake Bay

 


Re: Mizzen Mast Access

 

Amel installed the foam on these lines to keep the lines from twisting around other lines and each other. Usually a hard tug on the leader line will work. I believe there are at least 3 leader lines in the mizzen with at least one terminated at the first spreader. 

I have never encountered the leader lines stuck as you described, but I recommend that, if the leader lines get stuck, to disconnect all electric lines and leaders and pull them down with new leaders so that you can pull the electric lines back up the mast. Be careful because at least one leader line runs from the base to the first spreader and are secured there. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 4:16 PM christian alby via Groups.Io <calbyy=yahoo.fr@groups.io> wrote:
Hi there Gary,
I sail an old timer 'Maramu' & 2 years ago did some maintenance on the power & signal cables running to the top of the mast, to find that whatever the strength of the leader lines they got tangled up Inside the PVC tube which keeps them from getting tangled with the halyards.
Reason found after days of running a camera isnide teh tube, Amel did run leader line with foam rings at regular interval to soften the noise of cable Inside the PVC Duct; After repeated replacement of cables & lines Inside the duct, the foam balls got tangled, twisted & built up a firm plug, which when pushed or pulled squashes firmly & builds up a very compact plug. Had to drill out bits & pieces on the mizzen, removing the rivets which held the PVC duct in place inside the mast. 
I do not know if this way of leading lines ws kept for the SM but Always Worth a look-see to make sure that this is not the case ?
Once drilled out, passed all lines without a Hitch & can now replace power & signal cables without a problem.
I have pictures of the culprits & the drilling therafter if interested
fair winds

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Canet



Le ‎samedi‎ ‎20‎ ‎avril‎ ‎2019‎ ‎19‎:‎21‎:‎27‎ ‎AST, Stephen Hancock via Groups.Io <sammie.whammie=yahoo.com@groups.io> a écrit :


It is probably better to use an electrical lubricant to pull the wires. Less corrosive and much more slick.

On Apr 20, 2019, at 6:55 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Gary,
The wires in the Mizzen seem to get wrapped around each other.
Upon inspection a few years ago I noticed that all the pull lines were in bad shape so I replaced them with dyneema. It is really cheap on EBay.
 
I am sure you have already tried this , however in case you did not did you try dropping a length of chain down the mast  tied to a piece of thin dyneema?
 
If that doesn’t work , as a last resort, I would un-splice the radar scanner cable . Then I would use a strong messenger line attached to it for
re-installation. Then I would  remove the scanner cable. Just as a security backup also solder a piece of single strand 12 gauge wire to the end of the radar cable in case your pull rope breaks or disconnects. I would also cut a few wires off the splice to make the entry smaller.
With the radar cable removed I think you will have room to pull the new cables. I had to replace the scanner cable and it was a bit of a project getting it to turn around the separator at the base of the mast. I use dishwashing soap when puling cables. I first pulled it from the hole in the side of the mizzen and then dropped it down into the aft head.
 
If possible I would also consider trying to make the hole that separates the two parts of the mast at its base larger..
 
Good news is that the new radar scanner by Raymarine is wireless if you want to change out your  chartplotter.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Wells
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 1:01 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Mizzen Mast Access
 

OK, I am at an impasse with my mizzen mast.  We haven't quite gotten to the arbitration stage yet, but we have a situation of a stubborn lack of cooperation. 

My trusty wind generator threw a blade a couple of months ago.  Since it is a gen 1 Air-X (you know the one .. you can hear it several islands away!) I decided to have mercy on all my anchorage-mates and upgrade the generator to a quieter, more happy-hour-inducing model.  The mount-up was simple enough; actually things fit together quite well with only a half-millimeter or so difference here and there requiring a bit of sanding and a Dremel.  Then, it all fell apart ..  from the top.

The old Air-X was a self-regulated provider of 24VDC from the top of the mizzen straight through to the battery switch (via the ammeter and shutoff/idle switch) and it required only two wires (plus an 'earth' to the mast).  .

The new generator is a three-phase AC machine with a remote controller/convertor/regulator and it requires a three-wire drop to the box. 

Now 2x10Ga wire managed (barely) to fit down the mast, but the 3x10 won't.  During the process of learning this, the technicians lost and then removed the original wire, then they tried pulling it by connecting it to a no-longer-in-use small coaxial cable, and that connection parted, and finally they used the remaining messenger line .. and broke it.

Normally, it should not be hard to drop a new messenger, but hey have tried for 2 days and used several methods to no avail. There simply must be something blocking a passageway somewhere that they can't fish their way through. 

 

I'm  hoping someone might have a secret-handshake trick up their sleeve before we go to the next step; which is either to drill an access hole in the front of the mast and use the large forward channel (I hope it goes all the way without obstruction) or else we may have to unstep her and get it done that way .. although even that isn't a sure bet, I guess. 

This is a genuine "oh, it should take about 4 hours" job that has turned into 3 days of frustration for us as well as the technicians. 

 

We are in Martinique, so I am presuming that when they say they are 'out of options' they truly are. I know they have consulted with other experts around here so I don't feel like I am working with un-knowledgeable technicians.  BUT ..  there is a vast amount of knowledge here so I am hoping to garner a couple of options/ideas.

We definitely don't want to drill a second access hole in the top (cap) plate on the mizzen ...  that could be a structural issue.  I personally don;' want to drill through to the front of the mast, even thought this is a pretty good option, because even if the wire does come all the way down, there may be no way to silence it from banging around inside the larger passageway. 

Anyway, any suggestions will be very welcomed and thoroughly discussed. 

Thanks!!

 

Gary W

SM209 "Adagio"

Le Marin, Marinique

 



Re: SM Fairlead

Keith Tice
 

Hi Christian,

Thanks for the hint. I checked out the web site and believe that I can find a good solution with them.
For friction reduction, I wonder if Stainless Steel or Aluminum is preferable.

Fair winds

Keith Tice
Bikini - SM2K #282


On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:29, christian alby via Groups.Io <calbyy@...> wrote:

hi there Keith
check 
they have a wide range of alm & ss fairleads made by 4 DEK UK which accomodate old fashioned deck arrangements
guess you may find proper replacement there
fair Wind

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Canet



Le ‎vendredi‎ ‎26‎ ‎avril‎ ‎2019‎ ‎21‎:‎55‎:‎16‎ ‎AST, Keith Tice <amel@...> a écrit :


My SM2K stern fairleads need to be replaced.
Amel no longer offers this part.
The port fairlead is warped and the starboard fairlead was replaced by the previous owner, but the replacement fairlead is biting into the 20mm mooring lines.
I have been unable to locate a fairlead as large and smooth as the original fairleads fitted by Amel.
The previous owner told me that Amel switched to roller fairleads, but that they do not fit the available space on the SM2K.

Keith Tice
Bikini - SM2K #282


Re: 100 amp charger on sm2k

Thomas Kleman
 

Any one using the victron skylla 100/24 ? I'm persuaded that I should probably buy a 100 amp charger for my generator-driven battery charging but realize that earlier SMs used an 80 amp charger.........once again, it comes down to leaving the boat as it was designed, I guess.


Re: Mizzen Mast Access

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

Hi there Gary,
I sail an old timer 'Maramu' & 2 years ago did some maintenance on the power & signal cables running to the top of the mast, to find that whatever the strength of the leader lines they got tangled up Inside the PVC tube which keeps them from getting tangled with the halyards.
Reason found after days of running a camera isnide teh tube, Amel did run leader line with foam rings at regular interval to soften the noise of cable Inside the PVC Duct; After repeated replacement of cables & lines Inside the duct, the foam balls got tangled, twisted & built up a firm plug, which when pushed or pulled squashes firmly & builds up a very compact plug. Had to drill out bits & pieces on the mizzen, removing the rivets which held the PVC duct in place inside the mast. 
I do not know if this way of leading lines ws kept for the SM but Always Worth a look-see to make sure that this is not the case ?
Once drilled out, passed all lines without a Hitch & can now replace power & signal cables without a problem.
I have pictures of the culprits & the drilling therafter if interested
fair winds

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Canet



Le ‎samedi‎ ‎20‎ ‎avril‎ ‎2019‎ ‎19‎:‎21‎:‎27‎ ‎AST, Stephen Hancock via Groups.Io <sammie.whammie@...> a écrit :


It is probably better to use an electrical lubricant to pull the wires. Less corrosive and much more slick.

On Apr 20, 2019, at 6:55 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Gary,
The wires in the Mizzen seem to get wrapped around each other.
Upon inspection a few years ago I noticed that all the pull lines were in bad shape so I replaced them with dyneema. It is really cheap on EBay.
 
I am sure you have already tried this , however in case you did not did you try dropping a length of chain down the mast  tied to a piece of thin dyneema?
 
If that doesn’t work , as a last resort, I would un-splice the radar scanner cable . Then I would use a strong messenger line attached to it for
re-installation. Then I would  remove the scanner cable. Just as a security backup also solder a piece of single strand 12 gauge wire to the end of the radar cable in case your pull rope breaks or disconnects. I would also cut a few wires off the splice to make the entry smaller.
With the radar cable removed I think you will have room to pull the new cables. I had to replace the scanner cable and it was a bit of a project getting it to turn around the separator at the base of the mast. I use dishwashing soap when puling cables. I first pulled it from the hole in the side of the mizzen and then dropped it down into the aft head.
 
If possible I would also consider trying to make the hole that separates the two parts of the mast at its base larger..
 
Good news is that the new radar scanner by Raymarine is wireless if you want to change out your  chartplotter.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
 
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Wells
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 1:01 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Mizzen Mast Access
 

OK, I am at an impasse with my mizzen mast.  We haven't quite gotten to the arbitration stage yet, but we have a situation of a stubborn lack of cooperation. 

My trusty wind generator threw a blade a couple of months ago.  Since it is a gen 1 Air-X (you know the one .. you can hear it several islands away!) I decided to have mercy on all my anchorage-mates and upgrade the generator to a quieter, more happy-hour-inducing model.  The mount-up was simple enough; actually things fit together quite well with only a half-millimeter or so difference here and there requiring a bit of sanding and a Dremel.  Then, it all fell apart ..  from the top.

The old Air-X was a self-regulated provider of 24VDC from the top of the mizzen straight through to the battery switch (via the ammeter and shutoff/idle switch) and it required only two wires (plus an 'earth' to the mast).  .

The new generator is a three-phase AC machine with a remote controller/convertor/regulator and it requires a three-wire drop to the box. 

Now 2x10Ga wire managed (barely) to fit down the mast, but the 3x10 won't.  During the process of learning this, the technicians lost and then removed the original wire, then they tried pulling it by connecting it to a no-longer-in-use small coaxial cable, and that connection parted, and finally they used the remaining messenger line .. and broke it.

Normally, it should not be hard to drop a new messenger, but hey have tried for 2 days and used several methods to no avail. There simply must be something blocking a passageway somewhere that they can't fish their way through. 

 

I'm  hoping someone might have a secret-handshake trick up their sleeve before we go to the next step; which is either to drill an access hole in the front of the mast and use the large forward channel (I hope it goes all the way without obstruction) or else we may have to unstep her and get it done that way .. although even that isn't a sure bet, I guess. 

This is a genuine "oh, it should take about 4 hours" job that has turned into 3 days of frustration for us as well as the technicians. 

 

We are in Martinique, so I am presuming that when they say they are 'out of options' they truly are. I know they have consulted with other experts around here so I don't feel like I am working with un-knowledgeable technicians.  BUT ..  there is a vast amount of knowledge here so I am hoping to garner a couple of options/ideas.

We definitely don't want to drill a second access hole in the top (cap) plate on the mizzen ...  that could be a structural issue.  I personally don;' want to drill through to the front of the mast, even thought this is a pretty good option, because even if the wire does come all the way down, there may be no way to silence it from banging around inside the larger passageway. 

Anyway, any suggestions will be very welcomed and thoroughly discussed. 

Thanks!!

 

Gary W

SM209 "Adagio"

Le Marin, Marinique

 



Re: SM Fairlead

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

hi there Keith
check 
they have a wide range of alm & ss fairleads made by 4 DEK UK which accomodate old fashioned deck arrangements
guess you may find proper replacement there
fair Wind

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Canet



Le ‎vendredi‎ ‎26‎ ‎avril‎ ‎2019‎ ‎21‎:‎55‎:‎16‎ ‎AST, Keith Tice <amel@...> a écrit :


My SM2K stern fairleads need to be replaced.
Amel no longer offers this part.
The port fairlead is warped and the starboard fairlead was replaced by the previous owner, but the replacement fairlead is biting into the 20mm mooring lines.
I have been unable to locate a fairlead as large and smooth as the original fairleads fitted by Amel.
The previous owner told me that Amel switched to roller fairleads, but that they do not fit the available space on the SM2K.

Keith Tice
Bikini - SM2K #282


Re: 100 amp charger on sm2k

Mark Erdos
 

Tom,

 

Victron Energy, in my opinion, makes the best chargers.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 3:17 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] 100 amp charger on sm2k

 

My original 100 amp Dolphin died about 4 years ago, and it made me nervous anyway because it lacked a battery temperature sensor. I replaced it with a 100 amp Mastervolt charger, which seems to have died this weekend....having verified all connections and voltage and still getting nothing. Wondering what others have chosen when replacing the Dolphin. Having done several hours of customer complaint sleuthing it seems that the Mastervolt can be temperature sensitive and the battery chargers on a SM are relatively close to the gen.


Re: SM Climma AC - Calpeda Pump Voltage with Breakers Off

Mark Erdos
 

Now, that’s funny!

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 6:25 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] SM Climma AC - Calpeda Pump Voltage with Breakers Off

 

Dan,

 

My advice is to never trust a previous owner. 😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 1:27 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:

Hi Bill R., 

 

I was specifically replying to Gary Silver and his thread on the Calpeda AC Pump. It  looks like his last response is imbedded below mine in my email, and my response looks like it is still attached to the main thread in my e-mail inbox.  But perhaps in the forum or your email it shows up separately and would thus of course it would be difficult to see the context. As I am remote in the western Carribean, I am pretty limited to my smart phone functionality.

 

In one of Gary's e-mails he expressed interest in what other boats were measuring; therefore my description of measurements were in response to his measurements at the Calpeda AC sea water pump for the various conditions that I described.

 

When the pump was wired but switched off at the breaker I had one set of readings, another when the main 30amp GFCI was switched off, and then when I disconected the supply wires at the pump I had another set of readings on across the three wires.  I think that my readings are consistent with US power supply having 220 supplied by 110 on one supply and the other 110 being supplied on the 2nd hot wire 180 degrees off phase.  However,  I will take your point to check the pedestal and the 60Hz shore power plug (as it was wired by the previous owner :-) ) 

 

I also agree with Danny's response supporting full disconnect at the pedistal; however in this case I did my tests carefully with power supplied in order to try to understand and provide some supportive data to Gary's observations.

 

Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe SM#387

 

 

 

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 11:05 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@... wrote:

Dan,

 

I am a little lost as to where exactly you are measuring the voltage, but will generally respond.

 

Sounds to me like you could have 120v on the Earth wire (yellow/green) because you show zero between brown and blue. 

Causes:

  • This could be caused by shore power cable/plug wired incorrectly. I have seen the Earth wire (yellow/green) connected to the center post of a USA plug rather than to the metal sleeve of the plug. 
  • I have also seen marina pedestals wired wrong placing voltage on Earth wire (yellow/green
  • I have also seen this happen when using a pedestal shared with another boat which is wired wrong. 

I would trace starting with the pedestal connection.

 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 12:14 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:

Hi Gary,

I am on BeBe at Red Frog Marina in Panama wit 60Hz shore power.  I just checked, with all the AC breakers off but  the main GFI on, and I have: 1)  120v from blue to yellow/green, as well as from brown to the yellow/green. 2) I show 0 volts AC accross the blue to brown contacts (I don't understand how you could measure 240 v across the Blue to brown when the motor is not running?). 3) when I turn of the main GFI breaker there is no voltage.    I did not test the generator.  

 

That is a shocking discovery!  It would be very interesting to get confirmation of the voltages from a boat on 50 Hz supply. 

 

One thought: Could the stray voltage be coming back from the capacitor.  It shows 0 across the Blue to brow because the voltage on the blue and brown are on the same cycle when there is only one 120v source?  To test this I disconnected the blue and brown wires and measured the voltage of these independently: Blue wire to yellow/green was 120v, Brown wire to yellow/green showed 39v (Stray voltage?).  The voltage across the Blue to Brown was 120v.

 

I'm surprised this has not come up before, as it creates a very unsafe condition for one assuming the circuit is de-energized.  My conclusion is to disconnect at the pedistal when working on the AC circuits to be safe.

 

Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 9:37 PM Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver=mac.com@groups.io wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi Bill and Eric:

Yes, all the 220 panel CBs are double pole (both Line [brown] and Neutral [Blue] are switched).  With all breakers open (tripped) there is still 240 VAC across the blue and brown leads at the Calpeda Pump when hooked to shore power, but not when the genset is running.  Looking at the Climma schematic (really more of a diagram) the neutral and safety ground wires are wire straight thru from the "separate source" and the Line [brown] from the separate source is switched by the relays to provide line voltage to the pump when a given unit is switched on. So I can see perhaps that there might be 110 voltage between the blue and safety ground at the pump from this "seperate source" but not the 220 that I am seeing.  Olivier, are you there?   What is the separate source for the Climma relay box?

I believe that the "other source" supply for the relay box is directly wired from the 220 volt buss just down-stream from the GFCI 30 amp breaker on the side of the 220 volt panel before it is distributed to any of the CBs (Diruptors).  The difference between Euro power and US power is noted and somehow plays into this.   Will continue to puzzle this out along with you.  Perhaps I need to get to sail to some European power, plug in and see if the mystery voltage goes away.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335
Puerto Rico 


Re: 100 amp charger on sm2k

 

Danny, 

I have seen more Mastervolt chargers fail on 54s in about 5-10 years of life that I have seen Dolphin chargers in 20 years of life on SMs. And remember there are more than twice as many SMs. 

I don't have any specific data, but I believe that Victron may currently offer the best charger. I was told that Dolphin ownership changed about 2006...I am not sure about this. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 8:01 AM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Thomas. If the dolphin is still available I would go with them. I replaced mine 5 or 6 years ago and found the company very good and the chargers work well.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 28 April 2019 at 19:16 Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

My original 100 amp Dolphin died about 4 years ago, and it made me nervous anyway because it lacked a battery temperature sensor. I replaced it with a 100 amp Mastervolt charger, which seems to have died this weekend....having verified all connections and voltage and still getting nothing. Wondering what others have chosen when replacing the Dolphin. Having done several hours of customer complaint sleuthing it seems that the Mastervolt can be temperature sensitive and the battery chargers on a SM are relatively close to the gen.


Re: SM Climma AC - Calpeda Pump Voltage with Breakers Off

 

Dan,

My advice is to never trust a previous owner. 😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 1:27 AM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hi Bill R., 

I was specifically replying to Gary Silver and his thread on the Calpeda AC Pump. It  looks like his last response is imbedded below mine in my email, and my response looks like it is still attached to the main thread in my e-mail inbox.  But perhaps in the forum or your email it shows up separately and would thus of course it would be difficult to see the context. As I am remote in the western Carribean, I am pretty limited to my smart phone functionality.

In one of Gary's e-mails he expressed interest in what other boats were measuring; therefore my description of measurements were in response to his measurements at the Calpeda AC sea water pump for the various conditions that I described.
 
When the pump was wired but switched off at the breaker I had one set of readings, another when the main 30amp GFCI was switched off, and then when I disconected the supply wires at the pump I had another set of readings on across the three wires.  I think that my readings are consistent with US power supply having 220 supplied by 110 on one supply and the other 110 being supplied on the 2nd hot wire 180 degrees off phase.  However,  I will take your point to check the pedestal and the 60Hz shore power plug (as it was wired by the previous owner :-) ) 

I also agree with Danny's response supporting full disconnect at the pedistal; however in this case I did my tests carefully with power supplied in order to try to understand and provide some supportive data to Gary's observations.

Thanks and regards, Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe SM#387




On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 11:05 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@... wrote:
Dan,

I am a little lost as to where exactly you are measuring the voltage, but will generally respond.

Sounds to me like you could have 120v on the Earth wire (yellow/green) because you show zero between brown and blue. 
Causes:
  • This could be caused by shore power cable/plug wired incorrectly. I have seen the Earth wire (yellow/green) connected to the center post of a USA plug rather than to the metal sleeve of the plug. 
  • I have also seen marina pedestals wired wrong placing voltage on Earth wire (yellow/green
  • I have also seen this happen when using a pedestal shared with another boat which is wired wrong. 
I would trace starting with the pedestal connection.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 12:14 PM Dan Carlson <carlsdan61@...> wrote:
Hi Gary,
I am on BeBe at Red Frog Marina in Panama wit 60Hz shore power.  I just checked, with all the AC breakers off but  the main GFI on, and I have: 1)  120v from blue to yellow/green, as well as from brown to the yellow/green. 2) I show 0 volts AC accross the blue to brown contacts (I don't understand how you could measure 240 v across the Blue to brown when the motor is not running?). 3) when I turn of the main GFI breaker there is no voltage.    I did not test the generator.  

That is a shocking discovery!  It would be very interesting to get confirmation of the voltages from a boat on 50 Hz supply. 

One thought: Could the stray voltage be coming back from the capacitor.  It shows 0 across the Blue to brow because the voltage on the blue and brown are on the same cycle when there is only one 120v source?  To test this I disconnected the blue and brown wires and measured the voltage of these independently: Blue wire to yellow/green was 120v, Brown wire to yellow/green showed 39v (Stray voltage?).  The voltage across the Blue to Brown was 120v.

I'm surprised this has not come up before, as it creates a very unsafe condition for one assuming the circuit is de-energized.  My conclusion is to disconnect at the pedistal when working on the AC circuits to be safe.

Daniel Carlson on sv BeBe, SM#387




On Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 9:37 PM Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver=mac.com@groups.io wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Hi Bill and Eric:

Yes, all the 220 panel CBs are double pole (both Line [brown] and Neutral [Blue] are switched).  With all breakers open (tripped) there is still 240 VAC across the blue and brown leads at the Calpeda Pump when hooked to shore power, but not when the genset is running.  Looking at the Climma schematic (really more of a diagram) the neutral and safety ground wires are wire straight thru from the "separate source" and the Line [brown] from the separate source is switched by the relays to provide line voltage to the pump when a given unit is switched on. So I can see perhaps that there might be 110 voltage between the blue and safety ground at the pump from this "seperate source" but not the 220 that I am seeing.  Olivier, are you there?   What is the separate source for the Climma relay box?

I believe that the "other source" supply for the relay box is directly wired from the 220 volt buss just down-stream from the GFCI 30 amp breaker on the side of the 220 volt panel before it is distributed to any of the CBs (Diruptors).  The difference between Euro power and US power is noted and somehow plays into this.   Will continue to puzzle this out along with you.  Perhaps I need to get to sail to some European power, plug in and see if the mystery voltage goes away.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335
Puerto Rico