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Re: AMEL 54 main furler
BTW
Behind the white velcroed panel in the guest cabin on the A54 mentioned earlier are 2 overload protectors. When I got the boat the main outhaul had a problem and Bill & I decided to replace the complete motor & gear box but noticed that this overload had heated before as there were black heating marks around the area on the bulkhead. Thierry/AMEL sent a new unit jointly with the motor & gear box. This new unit (75 AMP) didn’t work and we had to use the 100 Amp MAXI FUSE override (which was zip tied to the wires) to get the outhaul to work. Thierry/AMEL sent a new unit (also 75 Amp) and we installed today and AGAIN it didn’t work and we are back to using the 100 Amp MAXI FUSE.
Clearly there is a problem with these overload protectors as they don’t work as they should. It can NOT be that the outhaul/gearbox needs to be cleaned, greased & serviced as it is brand-new and it says no grease & service needed.
Best Regards Teun AMELIT A54 #128 May 2, 2019 13:36:26
From: Teun BAAS
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 13:24 To: 'main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io' <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: RE: [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL 54 main furler
Bill,
Final outcome:
A loose spade connection under AMEL dash board near the switch. Everything else is fine. I guess the rocking & rolling yday caused this but I believe this connection was handled by Willie last year when they put in the new dash board.
Anyhow – all good to go for leaving tomorrow morning to VAUATU.
Also thanks for the feedback from Arno and Ian.
Best Regards Teun AMELIT A54 #128
NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA May 2, 2019 13:22:34
From: Teun BAAS
Hi Bill,
Willie on board. Switch is good.
I didn’t know that next to the white Velcro panel where there are 2 heat breakers when you open the closet door there is at the top a wooden panel which is held by 1 screw. When removing it gives access to 1 main furler (brake) relay and 2 solenoids. See pic.
Willie is testing now.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA May 2, 2019 09:16:24
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via Groups.Io
Bill,
I knew of these 2 boxes but was not aware they were the solenoids; I thought they were resistance breakers.
I will have it checked by Willie this morning. From everything it sounds the bushes might be likely the issue as it furls in no problem; when the motor released from the furler we can hand crank easily.
Will let you know the outcome today.
Thanks for the help.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA. May 2, 2019 06:48:30
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Teun,
Furling solenoid is behind the Velcro'd panel just inside the forward watertight door near the ceiling, or behind the Velcro'd panel in the forward port side berth. I don't think this is the problem, but Willie should check it and the helm mounted toggle switch. Best,
On Wed, May 1, 2019, 10:17 AM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
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Re: AMEL 54 main furler
Bill,
Final outcome:
A loose spade connection under AMEL dash board near the switch. Everything else is fine. I guess the rocking & rolling yday caused this but I believe this connection was handled by Willie last year when they put in the new dash board.
Anyhow – all good to go for leaving tomorrow morning to VAUATU.
Also thanks for the feedback from Arno and Ian.
Best Regards Teun AMELIT A54 #128
NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA May 2, 2019 13:22:34
From: Teun BAAS
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 09:18 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: RE: [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL 54 main furler
Hi Bill,
Willie on board. Switch is good.
I didn’t know that next to the white Velcro panel where there are 2 heat breakers when you open the closet door there is at the top a wooden panel which is held by 1 screw. When removing it gives access to 1 main furler (brake) relay and 2 solenoids. See pic.
Willie is testing now.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA May 2, 2019 09:16:24
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via Groups.Io
Bill,
I knew of these 2 boxes but was not aware they were the solenoids; I thought they were resistance breakers.
I will have it checked by Willie this morning. From everything it sounds the bushes might be likely the issue as it furls in no problem; when the motor released from the furler we can hand crank easily.
Will let you know the outcome today.
Thanks for the help.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA. May 2, 2019 06:48:30
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Teun,
Furling solenoid is behind the Velcro'd panel just inside the forward watertight door near the ceiling, or behind the Velcro'd panel in the forward port side berth. I don't think this is the problem, but Willie should check it and the helm mounted toggle switch. Best,
On Wed, May 1, 2019, 10:17 AM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
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Re: Sailing north to Annapolis
Great spot and very safe best of all free BEER 🍺
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On May 1, 2019, at 4:14 PM, Rob Hughes via Groups.Io <svluna01@...> wrote:
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Re: AMEL 54 main furler
Hi Bill,
Willie on board. Switch is good.
I didn’t know that next to the white Velcro panel where there are 2 heat breakers when you open the closet door there is at the top a wooden panel which is held by 1 screw. When removing it gives access to 1 main furler (brake) relay and 2 solenoids. See pic.
Willie is testing now.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA May 2, 2019 09:16:24
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 06:49 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL 54 main furler
Bill,
I knew of these 2 boxes but was not aware they were the solenoids; I thought they were resistance breakers.
I will have it checked by Willie this morning. From everything it sounds the bushes might be likely the issue as it furls in no problem; when the motor released from the furler we can hand crank easily.
Will let you know the outcome today.
Thanks for the help.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA. May 2, 2019 06:48:30
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Teun,
Furling solenoid is behind the Velcro'd panel just inside the forward watertight door near the ceiling, or behind the Velcro'd panel in the forward port side berth. I don't think this is the problem, but Willie should check it and the helm mounted toggle switch. Best,
On Wed, May 1, 2019, 10:17 AM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
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Re: AMEL 54 main furler
Hi Ian,
Appreciate your input; especially reminded me of the old cloth. Bill ROUSE has seen the carnage on deck when a local “mechanic” removed the outhaul motor and gear box. It took me months to get the stains out and even then I still had spots which finally disappeared when professionals polished everything above the waterline.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA May 2, 2019 08:05:52
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Ian via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 04:14 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL 54 main furler
Teun
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Re: AMEL 54 main furler
Hi Arno,
Indeed it seems both of us have spent/are spending a lot of time, energy and money to get our boats back in shape.
There are two relays/solenoids behind the white panel near the ceiling next to the closet in the guest cabin. One of them is for the main outhaul (we had to renew that one last year) and the other one I guess is for the main furler.
I really think it is either the switch (we think it is good); the relay/solenoid or the bushes as: A) I can furl in with the motor and B) the furler itself can be hand cranked. BTW you need a short handle o'wise you will not be able to make a full turn due to the outhaul motor cover.
I should have tested all furlers b4 leaving port; but everything was working perfect 7 days ago coming back from ISLE des PINS. I guess another lesson learned.
How are you getting along with LUNA?
Best Regards Teun May 2, 2019 07:21:43
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arno Luijten via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 23:47 To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL 54 main furler
Hi Teun,
Your boat is really keeping you busy, not?
For your problem I think you have two possibilities. A relative good one and a bad one.
The good one is that the relay is not working for whatever reason. I’m guessing the relays are near to the circuit breakers in the guest cabin (see attached circuit diagram). The second possibility is that there is so much play on the gears inside the gearbox of the furling motor that they lock-up causing the motor to stall.
My first guess would be it is the first problem, maybe caused by a broken wire or contact corrosion.
Regards,
Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Sailing north to Annapolis
I have a reservation for brunswick landing marina and we will be there the end of may. they are selling out fast
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Re: AMEL 54 main furler
Bill,
I knew of these 2 boxes but was not aware they were the solenoids; I thought they were resistance breakers.
I will have it checked by Willie this morning. From everything it sounds the bushes might be likely the issue as it furls in no problem; when the motor released from the furler we can hand crank easily.
Will let you know the outcome today.
Thanks for the help.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA. May 2, 2019 06:48:30
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 22:10 To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL 54 main furler
Teun,
Furling solenoid is behind the Velcro'd panel just inside the forward watertight door near the ceiling, or behind the Velcro'd panel in the forward port side berth. I don't think this is the problem, but Willie should check it and the helm mounted toggle switch. Best,
On Wed, May 1, 2019, 10:17 AM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
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Re: AMEL 54 main furler
DAVID NIX
Thanks Arno,
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I switched wires on the relays to one of the working motors and got the same symptoms. I am going to remove the motor to take it apart and inspect gears and brushes. Fortunately I found a whole bag of replacement brushes in the piles and piles of spare parts that came with the boat. If I need to there is a local company that rebuilds electric motors at a reasonable price.
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arno Luijten Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 8:47 AM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL 54 main furler Hi Teun, Your boat is really keeping you busy, not? For your problem I think you have two possibilities. A relative good one and a bad one. The good one is that the relay is not working for whatever reason. I’m guessing the relays are near to the circuit breakers in the guest cabin (see attached circuit diagram). The second possibility is that there is so much play on the gears inside the gearbox of the furling motor that they lock-up causing the motor to stall. My first guess would be it is the first problem, maybe caused by a broken wire or contact corrosion. Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: 100 amp charger on sm2k
JOHN HAYES
Love it!!!
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On 2/05/2019, at 12:12 AM, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:
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Re: AMEL 54 main furler
Ian Park
Teun
try the mallet Bill suggested. Mine played up in Antigua last year. If someone stands near the solenoids, you will hear them click if they are working. If they are power is going to the motor. My motor responded with a gentle tap. The problem was the brushes sticking in their guides because of carbon dust. A good clean sorted it out. But make sure you surround the motor with an old cloth. Carbon dust and a bit of water make a nice mess if the deck. Ian
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Wind Generators
I have two Rutland 1200’s on Amelia and two 275w solar.
For the money the solar payback is a no brainer. Money well spent. As for the WG’s. The payback is poor and although the blades are silent there is a resonating hum that is annoying at night in the aft cabin. However there are occasions whilst on passage, when it gets a bit rough and the autopilot is working hard, maybe it is raining and the visibility poor and the radar on 24/7 plus all the navigation instruments. When one would normally be pulling 15A out of the batteries. That they come into their own and really chuck out the power such that the batteries just stay full. Would I do it again......Probably but if money is tight no. Nick Amelia in Funchal waiting for my crew to sail to Corfu AML54-019
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Re: built in breaking system ...
Mark & Debbie Mueller
B.O.A.T. = Broken, Or About To … Followed by B.O.A.T. = Break Out Another Thousand
-- Mark Mueller Brass Ring A54
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Re: built in breaking system ...
David Vogel
B.O.A.T. = Broken, Or About To …
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Re: AMEL 54 main furler
Hi Teun,
Your boat is really keeping you busy, not? For your problem I think you have two possibilities. A relative good one and a bad one. The good one is that the relay is not working for whatever reason. I’m guessing the relays are near to the circuit breakers in the guest cabin (see attached circuit diagram). The second possibility is that there is so much play on the gears inside the gearbox of the furling motor that they lock-up causing the motor to stall. My first guess would be it is the first problem, maybe caused by a broken wire or contact corrosion. Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: 100 amp charger on sm2k
“and has a built in breaking system”I seem to have a few of those profucts on my boat too, lol 😜 (Sorry just couldn’t help myself John!) cheers Dean
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Re: AMEL 54 main furler
Teun, Furling solenoid is behind the Velcro'd panel just inside the forward watertight door near the ceiling, or behind the Velcro'd panel in the forward port side berth. I don't think this is the problem, but Willie should check it and the helm mounted toggle switch. Best, CW Bill Rouse 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Wed, May 1, 2019, 10:17 AM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
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Re: AMEL 54 main furler
Hi Bill,
Correct – furling motor/gearbox.
Did loosen as you described below; can furl & unfurl manually - no sail jam.
Did NOT rap the gearbox; it is night now; will do tomorrow. Willie is coming on board 2nd thing tomorrow morning; was holiday here today.
Brushes motor – didn’t think about those. l did study your AMEL bible but missed that.
Where is the solenoid – I tried to find in the manual as well as your “A B”. As this is similar problem I had 2 weeks ago with the windlass (not down but luckily did go up) which was the solenoid I have been trying to locate.
Thanks for the help.
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 2009 NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA May 1, 2019 20:15:11
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 19:32 To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL 54 main furler
First check the simple things:
I assume you are having an issue with the furling motor/gearbox and not the outhaul motor/gearbox.
Loosen the 4 bolts on the furling motor/gearbox, lower the unit enough to disengage the main foil fr the motor/gearbox, then test the manual furler with a winch handle. If it works, you've eliminated a sail jam. Next try the furler motor while disconnected. Take a rubber mallet a rap the gearbox sharply. If either of these work, call Willie and tell him you probably need new brushes in the motor. You may have spares... check my Amel Book for changing brushes.
It is possible that the large solenoid has failed, but I have yet to actually see this happen.
Get back to me. Best,
On Wed, May 1, 2019, 5:51 AM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
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First check the simple things: I assume you are having an issue with the furling motor/gearbox and not the outhaul motor/gearbox. Loosen the 4 bolts on the furling motor/gearbox, lower the unit enough to disengage the main foil fr the motor/gearbox, then test the manual furler with a winch handle. If it works, you've eliminated a sail jam. Next try the furler motor while disconnected. Take a rubber mallet a rap the gearbox sharply. If either of these work, call Willie and tell him you probably need new brushes in the motor. You may have spares... check my Amel Book for changing brushes. It is possible that the large solenoid has failed, but I have yet to actually see this happen. Get back to me. Best, CW Bill Rouse 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Wed, May 1, 2019, 5:51 AM Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote: Was on my way to TANNA VANUATU and can NOT unfurl the main sail. It will furl but NOT unfurl.
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Re: 100 amp charger on sm2k
Joerg Esdorn
I have had very good experiences with my Superwind half way up the mizzen mast. It substantially contributes to balancing the power needs on Kincsem on most days without anyone noticing it is there. My 400 W solar usually contributes more here in the Med, and when offshore, my Watt & Sea blows them both away, but in my view it’s all about alternative sources. Wind is great at anchor particularly in the Aegean and sailing on all courses other than a broad reach or downwind.
Joerg Esdorn A55 #53 Kincsem
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