Date   
Re: Toe pulley

Alan Leslie
 

Sorry, I see we still have this email issue...
mfmcgovern at gmail dot com
Cheers
Alan

Re: Toe pulley

Red1 Stella SM359
 

Jean Luc, 

I have installed the SS units on Stella, they work fine and I would recommend them.  These are well made and definitely worth the price.

Regards,

Redouan Assar
SM359 Stella

On 13 May 2019, at 06:34, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Hi Jean-Luc,
I paid USD 446 for 2 sets of pulleys (same as the Amel alloy ones, but in stainless steel) including shipping to Australia.
Mark McGovern makes them.
Contact him on mfmcgovern@...
Best
Alan

Re: Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler

Alan Leslie
 

When I ordered a new motor from AMEL 2 years ago, this is what I got.
Maud told me the original MBT86 was not available anymore. I only realised the new one was smaller diameter when it arrived.
I used some 2mm rubber strip to wrap around the motor so it would fit more snugly in the black housing end piece. 
It appears there is no way to service the brushes on these motors.
Best
Alan
Elyse SM437 

Re: Toe pulley

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Jean-Luc,
I paid USD 446 for 2 sets of pulleys (same as the Amel alloy ones, but in stainless steel) including shipping to Australia.
Mark McGovern makes them.
Contact him on mfmcgovern@...
Best
Alan

Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

Miles
 

Hi Mike and Hannah,

 

The two sticks are important.  They guarantee that the halyard cannot ever wrap around the stay.  On many boats other than Amels, if there is any dirt or anything making the top swivel a little less than free, the halyard can wrap when you are trying to furl the sail.   This can happen in a blow and suddenly you cannot furl or drop the sail (guess how I know this).   Amel fits each stick with a rubber sleeve that protects the paint on the mast.  I would suggest that your order one stick and two rubber sleeves. 

 

As many people in this group have said, Amel never did anything without a reason.  The reason may not be obvious at first, but there is a reason.  When I bought my boat, Amel told me they would be interested in my comments, but not until I had sailed for at least a year.    They explained that in their experience, it would take at least a year for me to understand why they had done what they did.   In fact, it took longer and after 20 years I still come across cleaver bits that I had not noticed.

 

Regards,

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, SM 216, Martinique

Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

JOHN HAYES
 

Mine is at deck level cause have just replaced the fore stay. Think you could easily make up a new one out of stainless and use a die to cut a new thread

Thanks for the fuel tube idea Danny. 

Best

John Hayes
NGA Waka SN41


On 13/05/2019, at 6:54 AM, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

I’m interested in this subject too. I recently lost one of the black rubber/plastic covers from one of the ‘sticks’. I’d hate to think it was gouging the mast! 
I also have never seen these devices on other furling systems.
Maybe I need to get up there and wrap it in some self-vulcanising tape, or heatshrink sleeving??
Presumably Maud can supply new sleeves and sticks.
Dean
SY Stella 
A54-164

Re: Main Outhaul early SM 2K

karkauai
 

I’ll get my tool made and report on its efficacy, with pics if it works
 ;-)>.  Will definitely take all advice, trim the key and the shaft, use NeverSieze, and remove every 3 months for regreasing.

I’ll spray some PB Blaster around the top seal, but doubt much if any will make it past the seal.  Dry Ice and heat if the tool doesn’t work.

Jeez, somehow I make seemingly simple tasks into major productions.  At least this one seems to have given most everyone problems...

Kent
Kristy
SM243

On May 12, 2019, at 2:23 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Gary,

When I had to drive out the shaft with a sledge hammer I found that as soon as the key cleared the keyway the shaft slid out easily. I believe the key is the only thing that needs to be adjusted. I remove the shaft 4 times a year and lubricate it with high temp. stainless Neva-Seez and have had no further problem in over 10 years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Silver via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 12:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Main Outhaul early SM 2K

 

Hi Kent:

Sorry to hear of your difficulties removing the outhaul shaft.  Also interesting to see the different mounting methods used by Amel over the various SN boats.  I don't have any specific answers to getting the shaft out unless it would be to use dry ice to cool the shaft and/or applying heat to the gearbox shaft.  Like so many things this is an all hands on deck situation so penetrating oil, heat, cold, vibration, and pressure may all be needed.

Note that there is no seal between the outhaul shaft (male) and the gearbox shaft (female) into which the outhaul shaft inserts.  The only seal here is the lip seal that is press fit into the upper cover (and lower cover) of the gearbox and provides a seal to the gearbox (female) shaft.  I have found that removing the outhaul shaft once yearly and lubing it has always yielded easy removal, not sure why your's is stuck after so little calendar time.  I do rinse thoroughly the areas of the outhaul and furling gearboxes with fresh water after every sail and I do slather an unsightly amount of grease around the upper surface of the shaft/shaft interface but it sound like you do the same. Eric suggestion to remove a couple of thousandths from the keyway seams reasonable, perhaps an easier thing would be to remove a couple of thousandths of an inch from the shaft itself (larger bearing area and hence a larger "sticking" area). 

Wish you luck,

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey - Puerto Rico

Re: Diesel Class

karkauai
 

Thanks Mark...great suggestions!

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

On May 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

If you plan to take Kristy there, you can stay in the city mooring field: 38°58'33.7"N 76°28'58.6"W This will be a lot cheaper alternative to the very expensive marinas in the area. It is first come first served so get there a few days before the school starts to get an outer buoy (for larger vessels). You will not have trouble getting a mooring on Mondays – Thursdays. Weekends can be iffy.

 

Use the public dinghy docks. It is a short walk to the school. Each of the numbered streets on the Eastport peninsular have free public dinghy docks. There is one located at the south end of 6th street. If it is blowing hard you can use the north end of 4th and walk.

 

You will find the school very educational and well worth the money.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 10:48 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Diesel Class

 

AHi again everyone,
It looks like a private class isn’t going to happen.  I’d recommend looking at either the Mack Boring 2-day marine diesel owner’s class or the Annapolis School of Seamanship classes which are 2 day Basic Diesel and 2-day Level II Diesel class which goes more into troubleshooting.  Iris and I are signing up for the School of Seamanship classes this Summer.
Sorry I couldn’t get a private Amel class put together, but finding the facility, engines, instructors, and timing just didn’t seem to work.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mike,

just to add to the other answers. Yes they are needed, both of them. Absolutely essential At times they can become bent and need straitening or replacing. Never leave them uncovered. The cover is best dine with a heavy wall rubber tubing to give maximum mast protection. I use fuel hose. It comes in many internal diameters and is rubber like and has thick walls. Just find one that is a tight fit. I cover most of the length.. You don't need to go up the mast, unroll the headsail and drop the furler to deck level. Why do they get bent? In my case I used to carry the spare halyard clipped to the pulpit. It sagged back a little and when I furled the headsail it got caught up in the sail. Result two  very  "bent sticks". That was in my first months of ownership. Needless to say for the last 10 years I have never carried the spare halyard there.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl 

On 13 May 2019 at 06:04 SV Trilogy <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

How critical are the 2 sticks/poles (perhaps called "cornes" in French?) that are bolted onto the top swivel of the genoa furling assembly?

Our SM was sold to us with just one of these installed on the starboard side. All it seems to do is occasionally make contact with the mast - gouging the aluminum and removing paint - and/or interfere with the second halyard. Wondering if it can just be removed or if we should source and install the second one on the port side?

Wouldn't the genoa halyard tension be enough to keep the top swivel in it's proper orientation?

With both sticks installed, are they supposed to make any contact with the mast or rigging? If not, what is their purpose? Only during extreme forces/emergency? 

I don't see anything like these on other boats (a most common thing with Amel design) so any insight or information is welcomed.

Thanks,
Mike & Hannah
SV Trilogy, SM#23
Panama

Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

Dean Gillies
 

I’m interested in this subject too. I recently lost one of the black rubber/plastic covers from one of the ‘sticks’. I’d hate to think it was gouging the mast! 
I also have never seen these devices on other furling systems.
Maybe I need to get up there and wrap it in some self-vulcanising tape, or heatshrink sleeving??
Presumably Maud can supply new sleeves and sticks.
Dean
SY Stella 
A54-164

Re: Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler

David Vogel
 

Hi Eric,

With pleasure ...

Type: MBT82 M
Induit: 24V 27A
Puissance: 450W
Vitesse: 3100min-1
Service: S2 5mn
Protection: IP44 Classe: F

Blue skies,

David
SM#396/Perigee

Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

 

You should replace them and find rubber hose to fit over the ends. 

This was a smart, cheap, reliable innovation from Henri Amel that prevents twisting issues, especially when you least want them. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sun, May 12, 2019, 7:04 PM SV Trilogy <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

How critical are the 2 sticks/poles (perhaps called "cornes" in French?) that are bolted onto the top swivel of the genoa furling assembly?

Our SM was sold to us with just one of these installed on the starboard side. All it seems to do is occasionally make contact with the mast - gouging the aluminum and removing paint - and/or interfere with the second halyard. Wondering if it can just be removed or if we should source and install the second one on the port side?

Wouldn't the genoa halyard tension be enough to keep the top swivel in it's proper orientation?

With both sticks installed, are they supposed to make any contact with the mast or rigging? If not, what is their purpose? Only during extreme forces/emergency? 

I don't see anything like these on other boats (a most common thing with Amel design) so any insight or information is welcomed.

Thanks,
Mike & Hannah
SV Trilogy, SM#23
Panama

Re: Main Outhaul early SM 2K

eric freedman
 

Hi Gary,

When I had to drive out the shaft with a sledge hammer I found that as soon as the key cleared the keyway the shaft slid out easily. I believe the key is the only thing that needs to be adjusted. I remove the shaft 4 times a year and lubricate it with high temp. stainless Neva-Seez and have had no further problem in over 10 years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Silver via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 12:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Main Outhaul early SM 2K

 

Hi Kent:

Sorry to hear of your difficulties removing the outhaul shaft.  Also interesting to see the different mounting methods used by Amel over the various SN boats.  I don't have any specific answers to getting the shaft out unless it would be to use dry ice to cool the shaft and/or applying heat to the gearbox shaft.  Like so many things this is an all hands on deck situation so penetrating oil, heat, cold, vibration, and pressure may all be needed.

Note that there is no seal between the outhaul shaft (male) and the gearbox shaft (female) into which the outhaul shaft inserts.  The only seal here is the lip seal that is press fit into the upper cover (and lower cover) of the gearbox and provides a seal to the gearbox (female) shaft.  I have found that removing the outhaul shaft once yearly and lubing it has always yielded easy removal, not sure why your's is stuck after so little calendar time.  I do rinse thoroughly the areas of the outhaul and furling gearboxes with fresh water after every sail and I do slather an unsightly amount of grease around the upper surface of the shaft/shaft interface but it sound like you do the same. Eric suggestion to remove a couple of thousandths from the keyway seams reasonable, perhaps an easier thing would be to remove a couple of thousandths of an inch from the shaft itself (larger bearing area and hence a larger "sticking" area). 

Wish you luck,

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey - Puerto Rico

Re: Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler

eric freedman
 

Hi David,
Would you please supply the information on the tag of the new
motor.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 10:01 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler

Greetings,

AMEL France just filled an order for a spare electric motor and gearbox for the SM Main Outhaul/Furler.

The electric motor is a little different to what I expected. Please see the silver motor in the photos attached (the one with the small gauge red and black wires). What I was expecting to see was a motor as per SM#335, which is what I have on Perigee.

Does anyone know if the silver unit as supplied is a 'drop-in' replacement? Or do I need to re-order and obtain the 'old style"?

(I am writing to Maude but, being the weekend, thought it quicker to check with the forum.)

Thanks in anticipation.

David
SM#396/Perigee
Panama, almost prepped for French Polynesia

Re: Diesel Class

Mark Erdos
 

Kent,

 

If you plan to take Kristy there, you can stay in the city mooring field: 38°58'33.7"N 76°28'58.6"W This will be a lot cheaper alternative to the very expensive marinas in the area. It is first come first served so get there a few days before the school starts to get an outer buoy (for larger vessels). You will not have trouble getting a mooring on Mondays – Thursdays. Weekends can be iffy.

 

Use the public dinghy docks. It is a short walk to the school. Each of the numbered streets on the Eastport peninsular have free public dinghy docks. There is one located at the south end of 6th street. If it is blowing hard you can use the north end of 4th and walk.

 

You will find the school very educational and well worth the money.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 10:48 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Diesel Class

 

AHi again everyone,
It looks like a private class isn’t going to happen.  I’d recommend looking at either the Mack Boring 2-day marine diesel owner’s class or the Annapolis School of Seamanship classes which are 2 day Basic Diesel and 2-day Level II Diesel class which goes more into troubleshooting.  Iris and I are signing up for the School of Seamanship classes this Summer.
Sorry I couldn’t get a private Amel class put together, but finding the facility, engines, instructors, and timing just didn’t seem to work.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Hi everyone,

How critical are the 2 sticks/poles (perhaps called "cornes" in French?) that are bolted onto the top swivel of the genoa furling assembly?

Our SM was sold to us with just one of these installed on the starboard side. All it seems to do is occasionally make contact with the mast - gouging the aluminum and removing paint - and/or interfere with the second halyard. Wondering if it can just be removed or if we should source and install the second one on the port side?

Wouldn't the genoa halyard tension be enough to keep the top swivel in it's proper orientation?

With both sticks installed, are they supposed to make any contact with the mast or rigging? If not, what is their purpose? Only during extreme forces/emergency? 

I don't see anything like these on other boats (a most common thing with Amel design) so any insight or information is welcomed.

Thanks,
Mike & Hannah
SV Trilogy, SM#23
Panama

Re: Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler

David Vogel
 

Hi Gary,

 

Thanks for your response.  The silver motor is by “Nidec”, sub-titled LEROY-SOMER (L-S is part of the NIDEC group, apparently).

 

Yes, further research reveals that the motors I have installed on PERIGEE/SM#396 are identified as model number MBT86M.  (The MBT denotes permanent magnets, the “86” is the diameter of the motor casing in mm, the “M” is the length of the motor casing, either S|M|L.)

 

SPECS of the motor as shipped -> Type: MBT82M | 24V/27A/450W | 3100rpm (I noted this difference in revs as well, as this would seem to make it out of sync with the other motor, = more blipping the toggle switches).  On the 82 as received, there are no ports enabling direct access to the brushes, for servicing.

 

Another difference is the ‘Service Code”; the ‘as installed’ unit, model 86, the service code is S2 10mn; the one supplied (mode 82), the service code is S2 5mn; I haven’t yet cracked the code on what the difference means, excepting the obvious regarding lack of service ports.

 

It appears that I should have the MBT86M, not the 82M.  I think that perhaps the thinner 82-model is intended for an A54 (and maybe even a later model SM than #396).

 

When I get a response from Maud, then I’ll post an update.  But in the interim, if anyone else can chime in, please do.

 

Best,

 

David

SM#396/Perigee

Panama

Re: Main Outhaul early SM 2K

Gary Silver
 

Hi Kent:

Sorry to hear of your difficulties removing the outhaul shaft.  Also interesting to see the different mounting methods used by Amel over the various SN boats.  I don't have any specific answers to getting the shaft out unless it would be to use dry ice to cool the shaft and/or applying heat to the gearbox shaft.  Like so many things this is an all hands on deck situation so penetrating oil, heat, cold, vibration, and pressure may all be needed.

Note that there is no seal between the outhaul shaft (male) and the gearbox shaft (female) into which the outhaul shaft inserts.  The only seal here is the lip seal that is press fit into the upper cover (and lower cover) of the gearbox and provides a seal to the gearbox (female) shaft.  I have found that removing the outhaul shaft once yearly and lubing it has always yielded easy removal, not sure why your's is stuck after so little calendar time.  I do rinse thoroughly the areas of the outhaul and furling gearboxes with fresh water after every sail and I do slather an unsightly amount of grease around the upper surface of the shaft/shaft interface but it sound like you do the same. Eric suggestion to remove a couple of thousandths from the keyway seams reasonable, perhaps an easier thing would be to remove a couple of thousandths of an inch from the shaft itself (larger bearing area and hence a larger "sticking" area). 

Wish you luck,

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey - Puerto Rico

Re: Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler

Gary Silver
 

Hi David:

It appears that the specifications are very close to the LeRoy Somer motor, however, it seems to be smaller in diameter so some accommodation for mounting would be necessary.  Also, the wiring will need to be adapted.  Does the new motor have brush covers to allow servicing the brushes?  Does the RPM say 3,100 rpm?  Not that a 100 RPM difference would be of any significance.

Gary S Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335

Re: Diesel Class

karkauai
 

AHi again everyone,
It looks like a private class isn’t going to happen.  I’d recommend looking at either the Mack Boring 2-day marine diesel owner’s class or the Annapolis School of Seamanship classes which are 2 day Basic Diesel and 2-day Level II Diesel class which goes more into troubleshooting.  Iris and I are signing up for the School of Seamanship classes this Summer.
Sorry I couldn’t get a private Amel class put together, but finding the facility, engines, instructors, and timing just didn’t seem to work.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy