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Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

Gary Wells
 

A short piece of fuel line and some contact cement make good "caps" for those 'horns'.
Having experienced a halyard wrap up there once, I wouldn't consider running without them.
If you are doing regular maintenance on the swivel then it's far less likely the horns would touch the mast, but if the swivel jams even slightly the horns are the best defense against getting the halyard wrapped and broken at the masthead.  
Can't really explain how I discovered this.  :)

Gary W.
SM 209, "Adagio"
Beaufort, NC USA


Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

Mike Ondra
 

After bending and straightening these (embarrassingly) twice, I replaced them. The ss rods are readily available on the internet and had a local machine shop cut the threads. (stainless being a bit difficult to thread cleanly). A couple of nuts and lockwashers and voilà.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of SY STELLA
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 2:55 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

 

I’m interested in this subject too. I recently lost one of the black rubber/plastic covers from one of the ‘sticks’. I’d hate to think it was gouging the mast! 
I also have never seen these devices on other furling systems.
Maybe I need to get up there and wrap it in some self-vulcanising tape, or heatshrink sleeving??
Presumably Maud can supply new sleeves and sticks.
Dean
SY Stella 
A54-164


Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

Martin Bevan
 

As others have stated, the two sticks are important. On our Atlantic crossing I found one on the deck, the anti vibration nut having vibrate off, I found the errant nut in the top swivel. In attempting to furl the Genoa the second “stick” sheered off. Not fully understanding what these metal stays did, we found out the hard way - without them furling results in slicing through halyards, inconvenient when the Cape Verde Islands are 100nm astern.  In this instance I had one stay as a pattern and as fortune would have it a length of stainless bar to fabricate a second. In Martinique in 2010 I purchased 4 spares which of course I have never required. 

Now to the point. We have replaced the original Bamar furler, foil and top swivel with a Reckmann. I therefore have 4 spares, which will work for a 54 or SM which I would be delighted to sell for €Offers plus the cost of P&P. Currently on board in Spain but I will be taking them back to the UK in June. 

I also have spare spare impellers for the original Reya water and air con pumps which have also been replaced if they are of interest to anyone.

Martin Bevan
Caduceus AMEL 54 #56
Sant Carles de la Rapita, Spain


Re: Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler

rossirossix4
 

We also replaced an old motor about a year ago (it really was very un-repairable).  Couple of things.  Like you say, David, the replacement motors are a slightly smaller diameter.  We used 3 rubber spacers and then silicone sealer/adhesive to fit it to the black enclosure holder.  But first, the motor needs to be painted.  The yard at Malta--Manoel Island Yacht Yard--recommended 2 part epoxy InterProtect which is what we used--several coats.  Easy to do, we did all the work ourselves.

Also, at our later request Maud shipped us the brush replacement kit.  It was, of course, more expensive than just brushes--I can probably find the part number and price if anyone needs it.  The Amel parts person at Hyères told us that the new motor was more powerful than the old--I have not confirmed that but seems to work well.

We just arrived at the dock in front of Chantiers AMEL - Caraïbes bound for Aruba.  Didier is going to do some preventative maintenance in the form of engine mount replacement, carbon removal from the Onan, and an impeller strainer for the Onan.  Will take some pics.

Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI


Re: Main Outhaul early SM 2K

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Kent,

Many ways to skin this cat. When this shaft seized in place on Aletes, we stacked cribbing under the gear box to the deck to spread out the load and used a hydraulic jack to push the shaft out. Having applied brut force on a previous disassembly and breaking the top cover of the gear box, this time I was careful to shim between the gear box and boom so that the force of the jacking didn’t break the cover. Now we pull and lube the shaft every 3 to 6 months.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 

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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Main Outhaul early SM 2K

 

I’ll get my tool made and report on its efficacy, with pics if it works

 ;-)>.  Will definitely take all advice, trim the key and the shaft, use NeverSieze, and remove every 3 months for regreasing.

 

I’ll spray some PB Blaster around the top seal, but doubt much if any will make it past the seal.  Dry Ice and heat if the tool doesn’t work.

 

Jeez, somehow I make seemingly simple tasks into major productions.  At least this one seems to have given most everyone problems...

Kent

Kristy

SM243


On May 12, 2019, at 2:23 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Gary,

When I had to drive out the shaft with a sledge hammer I found that as soon as the key cleared the keyway the shaft slid out easily. I believe the key is the only thing that needs to be adjusted. I remove the shaft 4 times a year and lubricate it with high temp. stainless Neva-Seez and have had no further problem in over 10 years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Silver via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 12:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Main Outhaul early SM 2K

 

Hi Kent:

Sorry to hear of your difficulties removing the outhaul shaft.  Also interesting to see the different mounting methods used by Amel over the various SN boats  I don't have any specific answers to getting the shaft out unless it would be to use dry ice to cool the shaft and/or applying heat to the gearbox shaft.  Like so many things this is an all hands on deck situation so penetrating oil, heat, cold, vibration, and pressure may all be needed

Note that there is no seal between the outhaul shaft (male) and the gearbox shaft (female) into which the outhaul shaft inserts.  The only seal here is the lip seal that is press fit into the upper cover (and lower cover) of the gearbox and provides a seal to the gearbox (female) shaft.  I have found that removing the outhaul shaft once yearly and lubing it has always yielded easy removal, not sure why your's is stuck after so little calendar time.  I do rinse thoroughly the areas of the outhaul and furling gearboxes with fresh water after every sail and I do slather an unsightly amount of grease around the upper surface of the shaft/shaft interface but it sound like you do the same. Eric suggestion to remove a couple of thousandths from the keyway seams reasonable, perhaps an easier thing would be to remove a couple of thousandths of an inch from the shaft itself (larger bearing area and hence a larger "sticking" area). 

Wish you luck,

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey - Puerto Rico


Re: Toe pulley

Alan Leslie
 

Sorry, I see we still have this email issue...
mfmcgovern at gmail dot com
Cheers
Alan


Re: Toe pulley

Red1 Stella SM359
 

Jean Luc, 

I have installed the SS units on Stella, they work fine and I would recommend them.  These are well made and definitely worth the price.

Regards,

Redouan Assar
SM359 Stella

On 13 May 2019, at 06:34, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

Hi Jean-Luc,
I paid USD 446 for 2 sets of pulleys (same as the Amel alloy ones, but in stainless steel) including shipping to Australia.
Mark McGovern makes them.
Contact him on mfmcgovern@...
Best
Alan


Re: Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler

Alan Leslie
 

When I ordered a new motor from AMEL 2 years ago, this is what I got.
Maud told me the original MBT86 was not available anymore. I only realised the new one was smaller diameter when it arrived.
I used some 2mm rubber strip to wrap around the motor so it would fit more snugly in the black housing end piece. 
It appears there is no way to service the brushes on these motors.
Best
Alan
Elyse SM437 


Re: Toe pulley

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Jean-Luc,
I paid USD 446 for 2 sets of pulleys (same as the Amel alloy ones, but in stainless steel) including shipping to Australia.
Mark McGovern makes them.
Contact him on mfmcgovern@...
Best
Alan


Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

Miles
 

Hi Mike and Hannah,

 

The two sticks are important.  They guarantee that the halyard cannot ever wrap around the stay.  On many boats other than Amels, if there is any dirt or anything making the top swivel a little less than free, the halyard can wrap when you are trying to furl the sail.   This can happen in a blow and suddenly you cannot furl or drop the sail (guess how I know this).   Amel fits each stick with a rubber sleeve that protects the paint on the mast.  I would suggest that your order one stick and two rubber sleeves. 

 

As many people in this group have said, Amel never did anything without a reason.  The reason may not be obvious at first, but there is a reason.  When I bought my boat, Amel told me they would be interested in my comments, but not until I had sailed for at least a year.    They explained that in their experience, it would take at least a year for me to understand why they had done what they did.   In fact, it took longer and after 20 years I still come across cleaver bits that I had not noticed.

 

Regards,

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, SM 216, Martinique


Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

JOHN HAYES
 

Mine is at deck level cause have just replaced the fore stay. Think you could easily make up a new one out of stainless and use a die to cut a new thread

Thanks for the fuel tube idea Danny. 

Best

John Hayes
NGA Waka SN41


On 13/05/2019, at 6:54 AM, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

I’m interested in this subject too. I recently lost one of the black rubber/plastic covers from one of the ‘sticks’. I’d hate to think it was gouging the mast! 
I also have never seen these devices on other furling systems.
Maybe I need to get up there and wrap it in some self-vulcanising tape, or heatshrink sleeving??
Presumably Maud can supply new sleeves and sticks.
Dean
SY Stella 
A54-164


Re: Main Outhaul early SM 2K

karkauai
 

I’ll get my tool made and report on its efficacy, with pics if it works
 ;-)>.  Will definitely take all advice, trim the key and the shaft, use NeverSieze, and remove every 3 months for regreasing.

I’ll spray some PB Blaster around the top seal, but doubt much if any will make it past the seal.  Dry Ice and heat if the tool doesn’t work.

Jeez, somehow I make seemingly simple tasks into major productions.  At least this one seems to have given most everyone problems...

Kent
Kristy
SM243

On May 12, 2019, at 2:23 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Gary,

When I had to drive out the shaft with a sledge hammer I found that as soon as the key cleared the keyway the shaft slid out easily. I believe the key is the only thing that needs to be adjusted. I remove the shaft 4 times a year and lubricate it with high temp. stainless Neva-Seez and have had no further problem in over 10 years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Silver via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 12:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Main Outhaul early SM 2K

 

Hi Kent:

Sorry to hear of your difficulties removing the outhaul shaft.  Also interesting to see the different mounting methods used by Amel over the various SN boats.  I don't have any specific answers to getting the shaft out unless it would be to use dry ice to cool the shaft and/or applying heat to the gearbox shaft.  Like so many things this is an all hands on deck situation so penetrating oil, heat, cold, vibration, and pressure may all be needed.

Note that there is no seal between the outhaul shaft (male) and the gearbox shaft (female) into which the outhaul shaft inserts.  The only seal here is the lip seal that is press fit into the upper cover (and lower cover) of the gearbox and provides a seal to the gearbox (female) shaft.  I have found that removing the outhaul shaft once yearly and lubing it has always yielded easy removal, not sure why your's is stuck after so little calendar time.  I do rinse thoroughly the areas of the outhaul and furling gearboxes with fresh water after every sail and I do slather an unsightly amount of grease around the upper surface of the shaft/shaft interface but it sound like you do the same. Eric suggestion to remove a couple of thousandths from the keyway seams reasonable, perhaps an easier thing would be to remove a couple of thousandths of an inch from the shaft itself (larger bearing area and hence a larger "sticking" area). 

Wish you luck,

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey - Puerto Rico


Re: Diesel Class

karkauai
 

Thanks Mark...great suggestions!

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

On May 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

If you plan to take Kristy there, you can stay in the city mooring field: 38°58'33.7"N 76°28'58.6"W This will be a lot cheaper alternative to the very expensive marinas in the area. It is first come first served so get there a few days before the school starts to get an outer buoy (for larger vessels). You will not have trouble getting a mooring on Mondays – Thursdays. Weekends can be iffy.

 

Use the public dinghy docks. It is a short walk to the school. Each of the numbered streets on the Eastport peninsular have free public dinghy docks. There is one located at the south end of 6th street. If it is blowing hard you can use the north end of 4th and walk.

 

You will find the school very educational and well worth the money.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 10:48 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Diesel Class

 

AHi again everyone,
It looks like a private class isn’t going to happen.  I’d recommend looking at either the Mack Boring 2-day marine diesel owner’s class or the Annapolis School of Seamanship classes which are 2 day Basic Diesel and 2-day Level II Diesel class which goes more into troubleshooting.  Iris and I are signing up for the School of Seamanship classes this Summer.
Sorry I couldn’t get a private Amel class put together, but finding the facility, engines, instructors, and timing just didn’t seem to work.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mike,

just to add to the other answers. Yes they are needed, both of them. Absolutely essential At times they can become bent and need straitening or replacing. Never leave them uncovered. The cover is best dine with a heavy wall rubber tubing to give maximum mast protection. I use fuel hose. It comes in many internal diameters and is rubber like and has thick walls. Just find one that is a tight fit. I cover most of the length.. You don't need to go up the mast, unroll the headsail and drop the furler to deck level. Why do they get bent? In my case I used to carry the spare halyard clipped to the pulpit. It sagged back a little and when I furled the headsail it got caught up in the sail. Result two  very  "bent sticks". That was in my first months of ownership. Needless to say for the last 10 years I have never carried the spare halyard there.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl 

On 13 May 2019 at 06:04 SV Trilogy <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

How critical are the 2 sticks/poles (perhaps called "cornes" in French?) that are bolted onto the top swivel of the genoa furling assembly?

Our SM was sold to us with just one of these installed on the starboard side. All it seems to do is occasionally make contact with the mast - gouging the aluminum and removing paint - and/or interfere with the second halyard. Wondering if it can just be removed or if we should source and install the second one on the port side?

Wouldn't the genoa halyard tension be enough to keep the top swivel in it's proper orientation?

With both sticks installed, are they supposed to make any contact with the mast or rigging? If not, what is their purpose? Only during extreme forces/emergency? 

I don't see anything like these on other boats (a most common thing with Amel design) so any insight or information is welcomed.

Thanks,
Mike & Hannah
SV Trilogy, SM#23
Panama


Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

Dean Gillies
 

I’m interested in this subject too. I recently lost one of the black rubber/plastic covers from one of the ‘sticks’. I’d hate to think it was gouging the mast! 
I also have never seen these devices on other furling systems.
Maybe I need to get up there and wrap it in some self-vulcanising tape, or heatshrink sleeving??
Presumably Maud can supply new sleeves and sticks.
Dean
SY Stella 
A54-164


Re: Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler

David Vogel
 

Hi Eric,

With pleasure ...

Type: MBT82 M
Induit: 24V 27A
Puissance: 450W
Vitesse: 3100min-1
Service: S2 5mn
Protection: IP44 Classe: F

Blue skies,

David
SM#396/Perigee


Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

 

You should replace them and find rubber hose to fit over the ends. 

This was a smart, cheap, reliable innovation from Henri Amel that prevents twisting issues, especially when you least want them. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sun, May 12, 2019, 7:04 PM SV Trilogy <svtrilogy53@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

How critical are the 2 sticks/poles (perhaps called "cornes" in French?) that are bolted onto the top swivel of the genoa furling assembly?

Our SM was sold to us with just one of these installed on the starboard side. All it seems to do is occasionally make contact with the mast - gouging the aluminum and removing paint - and/or interfere with the second halyard. Wondering if it can just be removed or if we should source and install the second one on the port side?

Wouldn't the genoa halyard tension be enough to keep the top swivel in it's proper orientation?

With both sticks installed, are they supposed to make any contact with the mast or rigging? If not, what is their purpose? Only during extreme forces/emergency? 

I don't see anything like these on other boats (a most common thing with Amel design) so any insight or information is welcomed.

Thanks,
Mike & Hannah
SV Trilogy, SM#23
Panama


Re: Main Outhaul early SM 2K

eric freedman
 

Hi Gary,

When I had to drive out the shaft with a sledge hammer I found that as soon as the key cleared the keyway the shaft slid out easily. I believe the key is the only thing that needs to be adjusted. I remove the shaft 4 times a year and lubricate it with high temp. stainless Neva-Seez and have had no further problem in over 10 years.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Silver via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 12:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Main Outhaul early SM 2K

 

Hi Kent:

Sorry to hear of your difficulties removing the outhaul shaft.  Also interesting to see the different mounting methods used by Amel over the various SN boats.  I don't have any specific answers to getting the shaft out unless it would be to use dry ice to cool the shaft and/or applying heat to the gearbox shaft.  Like so many things this is an all hands on deck situation so penetrating oil, heat, cold, vibration, and pressure may all be needed.

Note that there is no seal between the outhaul shaft (male) and the gearbox shaft (female) into which the outhaul shaft inserts.  The only seal here is the lip seal that is press fit into the upper cover (and lower cover) of the gearbox and provides a seal to the gearbox (female) shaft.  I have found that removing the outhaul shaft once yearly and lubing it has always yielded easy removal, not sure why your's is stuck after so little calendar time.  I do rinse thoroughly the areas of the outhaul and furling gearboxes with fresh water after every sail and I do slather an unsightly amount of grease around the upper surface of the shaft/shaft interface but it sound like you do the same. Eric suggestion to remove a couple of thousandths from the keyway seams reasonable, perhaps an easier thing would be to remove a couple of thousandths of an inch from the shaft itself (larger bearing area and hence a larger "sticking" area). 

Wish you luck,

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey - Puerto Rico


Re: Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler

eric freedman
 

Hi David,
Would you please supply the information on the tag of the new
motor.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 10:01 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Electric Motor for SM main outhaul/furler

Greetings,

AMEL France just filled an order for a spare electric motor and gearbox for the SM Main Outhaul/Furler.

The electric motor is a little different to what I expected. Please see the silver motor in the photos attached (the one with the small gauge red and black wires). What I was expecting to see was a motor as per SM#335, which is what I have on Perigee.

Does anyone know if the silver unit as supplied is a 'drop-in' replacement? Or do I need to re-order and obtain the 'old style"?

(I am writing to Maude but, being the weekend, thought it quicker to check with the forum.)

Thanks in anticipation.

David
SM#396/Perigee
Panama, almost prepped for French Polynesia


Re: Diesel Class

Mark Erdos
 

Kent,

 

If you plan to take Kristy there, you can stay in the city mooring field: 38°58'33.7"N 76°28'58.6"W This will be a lot cheaper alternative to the very expensive marinas in the area. It is first come first served so get there a few days before the school starts to get an outer buoy (for larger vessels). You will not have trouble getting a mooring on Mondays – Thursdays. Weekends can be iffy.

 

Use the public dinghy docks. It is a short walk to the school. Each of the numbered streets on the Eastport peninsular have free public dinghy docks. There is one located at the south end of 6th street. If it is blowing hard you can use the north end of 4th and walk.

 

You will find the school very educational and well worth the money.

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - San Blas Islands, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 10:48 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Diesel Class

 

AHi again everyone,
It looks like a private class isn’t going to happen.  I’d recommend looking at either the Mack Boring 2-day marine diesel owner’s class or the Annapolis School of Seamanship classes which are 2 day Basic Diesel and 2-day Level II Diesel class which goes more into troubleshooting.  Iris and I are signing up for the School of Seamanship classes this Summer.
Sorry I couldn’t get a private Amel class put together, but finding the facility, engines, instructors, and timing just didn’t seem to work.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy