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Re: Absence of boom-kickers on a 54

Arno Luijten
 

Bill,

They had to change the mast when they changed from a horizontal to a vertical furling-motor setup. The needed to make the slot bigger to fit the motor. My mast also has the reinforcing shell around the lower part of the mast.
I was looking at the promo video for the A54 and captured this frame:


Here you can see the original horizontal motor and also the kick-strap in place. It may be because of the change of motor setup they dropped the kicker. I don't think the mizzen has ever had a kicker. Maybe the logic is that if you rig a preventer you can keep the boom down as well. I wonder....


Re: Mango Downwind sailing configuration

Ian Bone
 

Thanks Bill

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 5:01 PM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
I believe that if you had a SM manual, you could easily work it out as long as you have all of the OEM running rigging. The process is illustrated in either the Owners or the Users manual. If you need a copy of the SM Users and Owners manuals (1 copy each), check the FILES section of this website. Here is a link: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/files/Amel%20Super%20Maramu%20Manuals%20English

Also, here is a good video of dousing the twin sails:

Good Luck

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, May 15, 2019, 12:32 AM Ian Bone <auscaptain@...> wrote:
I am curious to know if there exists any documentation in English that explains the setting of the sails using the various poles, sails and attachments that accompany a typical sail configuration on the Amel Mango 52? I can work pretty much out myself, but wanted to check with the specs.
If such an electronic document was available I would like a copy.
Many thanks
Ian


Re: Absence of boom-kickers on a 54

 

Arno, no not a drain, rather a tang with a hole. It probably disappeared also when Amel reengineered the 54 mast so that it could take to expected loads. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, May 15, 2019, 2:09 PM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
Hi Bil,

If you are referring to the hole that sits at the very base of the mast, that hole is the drain hole for water that gets into the mast. I wonder if it is able to take the loads of a kicker. I also noticed the later 54’s do not have the same “hole-arrangement” at the underside of the boom as the early ones.

I do love your remark about the table behind the steering chair. I wondered the same thing. That thing must be the number 1 design flaw for the Amel 54. I actually removed it. That makes the cockpit much roomier as well. We now use a small foldable table if we need to support our drinks…

I was thinking about this thing to put against the back wall of the cockpit:


But maybe I will just change the way the original table is designed and make it a bit lighter as well.

Cheers,

Arno


Rope kicker on 54

ngtnewington Newington
 

This is Amelia’s set up while running free and also the eye at the base of the mast. I find I do not need the kicker whilst the main is sheeted in.
AML 055-019 sailing in the Western Med
Nick


Re: Absence of boom-kickers on a 54

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Bil,

If you are referring to the hole that sits at the very base of the mast, that hole is the drain hole for water that gets into the mast. I wonder if it is able to take the loads of a kicker. I also noticed the later 54’s do not have the same “hole-arrangement” at the underside of the boom as the early ones.

I do love your remark about the table behind the steering chair. I wondered the same thing. That thing must be the number 1 design flaw for the Amel 54. I actually removed it. That makes the cockpit much roomier as well. We now use a small foldable table if we need to support our drinks…

I was thinking about this thing to put against the back wall of the cockpit:


But maybe I will just change the way the original table is designed and make it a bit lighter as well.

Cheers,

Arno


Re: Absence of boom-kickers on a 54

 

Well, like so many things on the 54, it is difficult to compare one 54 to another because so many things changed during the production run. 

Just when I think I know this boat, something else pops up that shatters that assumption. The first time this rope kicker thing came up, I was certain I had seen it and it existed on 54s. Then I was on at least eight 54s that were missing the rope kicker. My first thought was that "old age memory loss" was showing its ugly face...well maybe it is. I assume that the 54s with the rope kicker have a slightly different boom, because those booms without the rope kicker have no attachment point on the boom. I still say those missing the kicker were also probably missing the unwavering attention to detail from Henri Amel and his ability to understand the unforgiving sea and his customers.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 8:01 AM ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Amelia we have the rope kicker. I use it as a preventer to the forward lifting chainplate when sailing off the wind. Or as a kicker to the mast base. Upwind it is not needed as the main sheet track is so far forward but as soon as the wind is aft then it is essential to keep the main powered up.
Amelia AML54-019
Nick


On 15 May 2019, at 09:14, Barry Connor via Groups.Io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Food for thought.
On our Amel 54 "Lady Penelope II" # 17 we have the rope boom attachment and on Ruedi's Amel 54 "Wasabi #55 he does not have the rope boom attachment.
We are sailing together at this time and I do see that my rope is tight in strong winds, keeps the boom from rising. 
We are noticing and discussing the changes that took place between #17 and  #55

Best Regards

Barry


On Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 9:40:51 AM GMT+3, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Ian,

You are correct and the same boom rigging exists for the 54 sans the rope boom kicker.

I believe that Henri Amel placed a rope kicker on HIS boats because he knew that "sometimes, something goes wrong with even the most experienced crew."

It appears to me that it was likely planned for the 54, but someone at the last minute decided that it wasn't necessary on the 54. It was probably the same person who decided that the engine room hatch didn't really need to miss the cockpit table when opening the engine room hatch.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, May 14, 2019, 9:49 PM Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:
I’m guessing here but the SN and SM have a rope that ‘serves’ as a kicker. But with the full width main sheet track on the foredeck and then the preventer when fully downwind I haven’t had cause to need a kicker. I can get all the flattening I need on the mainsail from this combination.
Obviously I have no experience of the 54.

Ian

Ocean Hobo




Re: Absence of boom-kickers on a 54

ngtnewington Newington
 

On Amelia we have the rope kicker. I use it as a preventer to the forward lifting chainplate when sailing off the wind. Or as a kicker to the mast base. Upwind it is not needed as the main sheet track is so far forward but as soon as the wind is aft then it is essential to keep the main powered up.
Amelia AML54-019
Nick


On 15 May 2019, at 09:14, Barry Connor via Groups.Io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Food for thought.
On our Amel 54 "Lady Penelope II" # 17 we have the rope boom attachment and on Ruedi's Amel 54 "Wasabi #55 he does not have the rope boom attachment.
We are sailing together at this time and I do see that my rope is tight in strong winds, keeps the boom from rising. 
We are noticing and discussing the changes that took place between #17 and  #55

Best Regards

Barry


On Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 9:40:51 AM GMT+3, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Ian,

You are correct and the same boom rigging exists for the 54 sans the rope boom kicker.

I believe that Henri Amel placed a rope kicker on HIS boats because he knew that "sometimes, something goes wrong with even the most experienced crew."

It appears to me that it was likely planned for the 54, but someone at the last minute decided that it wasn't necessary on the 54. It was probably the same person who decided that the engine room hatch didn't really need to miss the cockpit table when opening the engine room hatch.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, May 14, 2019, 9:49 PM Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:
I’m guessing here but the SN and SM have a rope that ‘serves’ as a kicker. But with the full width main sheet track on the foredeck and then the preventer when fully downwind I haven’t had cause to need a kicker. I can get all the flattening I need on the mainsail from this combination.
Obviously I have no experience of the 54.

Ian

Ocean Hobo




Re: Absence of boom-kickers on a 54

Barry Connor
 

Food for thought.
On our Amel 54 "Lady Penelope II" # 17 we have the rope boom attachment and on Ruedi's Amel 54 "Wasabi #55 he does not have the rope boom attachment.
We are sailing together at this time and I do see that my rope is tight in strong winds, keeps the boom from rising. 
We are noticing and discussing the changes that took place between #17 and  #55

Best Regards

Barry


On Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 9:40:51 AM GMT+3, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Ian,

You are correct and the same boom rigging exists for the 54 sans the rope boom kicker.

I believe that Henri Amel placed a rope kicker on HIS boats because he knew that "sometimes, something goes wrong with even the most experienced crew."

It appears to me that it was likely planned for the 54, but someone at the last minute decided that it wasn't necessary on the 54. It was probably the same person who decided that the engine room hatch didn't really need to miss the cockpit table when opening the engine room hatch.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, May 14, 2019, 9:49 PM Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:
I’m guessing here but the SN and SM have a rope that ‘serves’ as a kicker. But with the full width main sheet track on the foredeck and then the preventer when fully downwind I haven’t had cause to need a kicker. I can get all the flattening I need on the mainsail from this combination.
Obviously I have no experience of the 54.

Ian

Ocean Hobo




Paint colour code

Dean Gillies
 

I suspect I’m clutching at straws a little here but ..... does anyone have a paint colour code for the ‘white’ glass doors in the galley of the later model 54’s?
I need a little touch-up due to a rather clumsy crew member. Amel don’t know the answer.
Cheers,
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154


Re: Mango Downwind sailing configuration

 

I believe that if you had a SM manual, you could easily work it out as long as you have all of the OEM running rigging. The process is illustrated in either the Owners or the Users manual. If you need a copy of the SM Users and Owners manuals (1 copy each), check the FILES section of this website. Here is a link: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/files/Amel%20Super%20Maramu%20Manuals%20English

Also, here is a good video of dousing the twin sails:

Good Luck

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, May 15, 2019, 12:32 AM Ian Bone <auscaptain@...> wrote:
I am curious to know if there exists any documentation in English that explains the setting of the sails using the various poles, sails and attachments that accompany a typical sail configuration on the Amel Mango 52? I can work pretty much out myself, but wanted to check with the specs.
If such an electronic document was available I would like a copy.
Many thanks
Ian


Re: Absence of boom-kickers on a 54

 

Ian,

You are correct and the same boom rigging exists for the 54 sans the rope boom kicker.

I believe that Henri Amel placed a rope kicker on HIS boats because he knew that "sometimes, something goes wrong with even the most experienced crew."

It appears to me that it was likely planned for the 54, but someone at the last minute decided that it wasn't necessary on the 54. It was probably the same person who decided that the engine room hatch didn't really need to miss the cockpit table when opening the engine room hatch.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, May 14, 2019, 9:49 PM Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:
I’m guessing here but the SN and SM have a rope that ‘serves’ as a kicker. But with the full width main sheet track on the foredeck and then the preventer when fully downwind I haven’t had cause to need a kicker. I can get all the flattening I need on the mainsail from this combination.
Obviously I have no experience of the 54.

Ian

Ocean Hobo




Mango Downwind sailing configuration

Ian Bone
 

I am curious to know if there exists any documentation in English that explains the setting of the sails using the various poles, sails and attachments that accompany a typical sail configuration on the Amel Mango 52? I can work pretty much out myself, but wanted to check with the specs.
If such an electronic document was available I would like a copy.
Many thanks
Ian


Re: Absence of boom-kickers on a 54

Ian Park
 

I’m guessing here but the SN and SM have a rope that ‘serves’ as a kicker. But with the full width main sheet track on the foredeck and then the preventer when fully downwind I haven’t had cause to need a kicker. I can get all the flattening I need on the mainsail from this combination.
Obviously I have no experience of the 54.

Ian

Ocean Hobo


Re: Absence of boom-kickers on a 54

 

I wish that I knew the answer. The base of the 54 mast has the hole for a shackle for a boom kicker.


Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 7:24 PM Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
It may have been asked before, but does anyone know why both booms on a 54 are not equipped with a kicker to keep the boom down in aft winds?
It seems an omission but there may be a good reason for it that I can't see at the moment.

Cheers,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Volvo D3-110 belt changes

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Gang
The Official Volvo Maintenance Schedule requires change of Cam Belt/Timing Belt every 1400 hours.

300h for the Alternator Belt (also drives the Water-Pumps (inkl. Impeller-Pump) is quite low. As mentioned before, - maybe slip or other issues. 
BTW:
The Alternator Belt on my A-54 had 500h when I made Service with a certified Volvo technician from a Volvo dealer in Italy.
Volvo Technician said the Belt looks perfect and there is no need for change. He guarantied another 200h-300h lifetime. 

Fair winds
Ruedi  
"SY WASABI"
Amel 54. #55

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Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Volvo D3-110 belt changes

The pulley that used to be on my Volvo has been changed to another model by a certified Volvo service shop in St. Martin 2 years ago. The change didn't impact the lifetime of my alternator belts.

In regards to the timing belt, based on the answer I received, I now think 1200h should be o.k., so I don't need to do this now at 800. If someone has pics and / sources to get the special tools, I'd appreciate. 

fair winds
Alex
SY NO STRESS 


Absence of boom-kickers on a 54

Arno Luijten
 

It may have been asked before, but does anyone know why both booms on a 54 are not equipped with a kicker to keep the boom down in aft winds?
It seems an omission but there may be a good reason for it that I can't see at the moment.

Cheers,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: BETA Motors

 

Dan,

Keep me posted on the outcome. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Tue, May 14, 2019, 2:35 PM Dan Wilcox via Groups.Io <dwilcox123=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you Bill.  I have been working with Stan and just purchased a Beta85 for Feierabend.  My Perkins M80T was not rebuildable do to failure of aft motor mounts (original) and water getting into the engine through the exhaust.  I have removed the tray and will be building it all back up over the next couple months.  I will take pictures to document the process, but if anyone has any special asks please forward them.

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM #86


SM Main Sail Furling Gearbox Black Mounting Rings

Gary Silver
 
Edited

Hi All:

The black composite mounting rings that are on top and bottom of the LeRoy Sommer gearbox for the furling of the main-sail on Liahona were cracked.  I ordered a set from Maud at Amel and when they arrived there were two identical parts.  However, the system requires two mirror image parts.  The top and bottom rings are mirror images otherwise the mounting holes don't line up.  I sent detailed photos of this to Maud and requested a top ring and a bottom ring (the bevel on the side and the mounting holes as well as the counter-bore for the gearbox are opposite each other) and Maud replied that they only had the one type.  I don't know if this was just a communication error or misunderstanding but I ultimately just drilled new mounting holes in the mounting rings in order to make it work. 

Perhaps you will have better luck when ordering if you order "one top ring and one bottom ring"  thereby specifying that you know they are indeed different parts.

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver 
s/v Liahona 
Amel SM2000 #335

PS  If you reference the last two pictures here you will note that the top mounting ring creates a reservoir for water entrapment around the furling fitting (NOT GOOD).  I attempted to remedy this by cutting a small relief channel in the lower face of the mounting ring to provide a drain (weep) hole / channel for water to exit this area.  Whether this will create a stress riser that will crack the material or not will only be revealed with time.  The original design however, in my opinion is flawed because it traps water in this critical area. 
Puerto Del Rey Marina, Puerto Rico


Re: BETA Motors

Dan Wilcox
 

Thank you Bill.  I have been working with Stan and just purchased a Beta85 for Feierabend.  My Perkins M80T was not rebuildable do to failure of aft motor mounts (original) and water getting into the engine through the exhaust.  I have removed the tray and will be building it all back up over the next couple months.  I will take pictures to document the process, but if anyone has any special asks please forward them.

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM #86


Engine mounting bolt length Maramu

James Alton
 

Hello,

   I am planning to remove and refurbish the original Amel mounts for my 1987 hull #220 Maramu when I return in June.  I would like to have new mounting bolts on hand.  I have removed two of the aft mounting bolts which measure 69 MM in length  as measured from under the head to the end of the bolt.  The bolt diameter is 12mm.  I am wondering if the bolt length for the forward bolts will be the same?    If the forward bolts are of a different length than the aft bolts would anyone know the length?

Thanks,

James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220