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Re: Bowthruster Water Ingress

CW Bill Rouse
 

Nick,

I think what Olivier is telling you is that there are 2 "Outside" Neoprene foam seals (one on top of the other) that seal the tube opening when the BT is up. The one you see inside the watertight BT compartment is the "Inside" Neoprene foam seal...it seals the tube opening when the BT is down.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 4:04 PM ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Olivier, 
Thank you for that information. I see the neoprene seal from the inside and have some spares on board. I guess they glue in place. I suppose it is normal for a small amount of water to leak through, if the boat is slamming to windward. In any case next time I haul out I will glue in new seals.
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
Cruising, all be it quite rapidly towards Corfu 


On 17 May 2019, at 21:30, Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Nick,

there are two foam seals located around the BT drive tube, on top of the gear-box/props GRP casing, looking like the one you see inside, around the drive tube. When the BT is in the UP position, these seals are supposed to be compressed against the top of the hull box (where the BT is stored). If your seals are aged/damaged, they are not soft anymore and cannot play their part.
They also could be in good condition but the UP position of the BT is too low (because the stop switches -mechanic or magnetic- have moved). But as you mentioned you could put the safety pin in, I don't think the switches are wrong (stopping the lifting too early).

In order to replace the neopren foam seals, you need to have the vessel out of the water. You should wait until next scheduled haul-out for antifouling, as the amount of water is probably not much and is draining through a hose to the engine room bilge. A good check is to turn off the draining hose valve (under saloon floorboard) and see how much water you get in one hour, as the water will collect at the bottom of the front deck locker.

Have a nice sailing.

On Friday, May 17, 2019, 7:46:22 PM GMT+2, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Cortney,
Yes I put the pin in unless I am literally going round the corner.
I will be sailing tomorrow in quite light conditions. So assuming there is no spray I will open up the for-peak and take a look...
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
> On 17 May 2019, at 18:15, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nick do you have the pin in the secure the thruster?
> Courtney
> Trippin
> 54 #101
>> On May 17, 2019, at 9:31 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
>> I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.
>>
>> Nick
>> Amelia (AML54-019)
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Re: Bowthruster Water Ingress

karkauai
 

Hi Nick.  I assume it’s the same on the 54 as on the SM.  
While you’re at it, change the lip seal where the shaft goes through the hull, change the oil in the shaft, and change the lip seal on the prop shaft.  I also change the nylon bolts the the prop hub.  There’s a good description of the maintenance procedure in the Files section of this site.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On May 17, 2019, at 5:04 PM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Hello Olivier, 
Thank you for that information. I see the neoprene seal from the inside and have some spares on board. I guess they glue in place. I suppose it is normal for a small amount of water to leak through, if the boat is slamming to windward. In any case next time I haul out I will glue in new seals.
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
Cruising, all be it quite rapidly towards Corfu 


On 17 May 2019, at 21:30, Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Nick,

there are two foam seals located around the BT drive tube, on top of the gear-box/props GRP casing, looking like the one you see inside, around the drive tube. When the BT is in the UP position, these seals are supposed to be compressed against the top of the hull box (where the BT is stored). If your seals are aged/damaged, they are not soft anymore and cannot play their part.
They also could be in good condition but the UP position of the BT is too low (because the stop switches -mechanic or magnetic- have moved). But as you mentioned you could put the safety pin in, I don't think the switches are wrong (stopping the lifting too early).

In order to replace the neopren foam seals, you need to have the vessel out of the water. You should wait until next scheduled haul-out for antifouling, as the amount of water is probably not much and is draining through a hose to the engine room bilge. A good check is to turn off the draining hose valve (under saloon floorboard) and see how much water you get in one hour, as the water will collect at the bottom of the front deck locker.

Have a nice sailing.

On Friday, May 17, 2019, 7:46:22 PM GMT+2, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Cortney,
Yes I put the pin in unless I am literally going round the corner.
I will be sailing tomorrow in quite light conditions. So assuming there is no spray I will open up the for-peak and take a look...
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
> On 17 May 2019, at 18:15, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nick do you have the pin in the secure the thruster?
> Courtney
> Trippin
> 54 #101
>> On May 17, 2019, at 9:31 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
>> I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.
>>
>> Nick
>> Amelia (AML54-019)
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Re: Bowthruster Water Ingress

Nick Newington
 

Hello Olivier, 
Thank you for that information. I see the neoprene seal from the inside and have some spares on board. I guess they glue in place. I suppose it is normal for a small amount of water to leak through, if the boat is slamming to windward. In any case next time I haul out I will glue in new seals.
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
Cruising, all be it quite rapidly towards Corfu 


On 17 May 2019, at 21:30, Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Nick,

there are two foam seals located around the BT drive tube, on top of the gear-box/props GRP casing, looking like the one you see inside, around the drive tube. When the BT is in the UP position, these seals are supposed to be compressed against the top of the hull box (where the BT is stored). If your seals are aged/damaged, they are not soft anymore and cannot play their part.
They also could be in good condition but the UP position of the BT is too low (because the stop switches -mechanic or magnetic- have moved). But as you mentioned you could put the safety pin in, I don't think the switches are wrong (stopping the lifting too early).

In order to replace the neopren foam seals, you need to have the vessel out of the water. You should wait until next scheduled haul-out for antifouling, as the amount of water is probably not much and is draining through a hose to the engine room bilge. A good check is to turn off the draining hose valve (under saloon floorboard) and see how much water you get in one hour, as the water will collect at the bottom of the front deck locker.

Have a nice sailing.

On Friday, May 17, 2019, 7:46:22 PM GMT+2, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Cortney,
Yes I put the pin in unless I am literally going round the corner.
I will be sailing tomorrow in quite light conditions. So assuming there is no spray I will open up the for-peak and take a look...
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
> On 17 May 2019, at 18:15, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nick do you have the pin in the secure the thruster?
> Courtney
> Trippin
> 54 #101
>> On May 17, 2019, at 9:31 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
>> I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.
>>
>> Nick
>> Amelia (AML54-019)
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Bowthruster Water Ingress

Olivier Beaute
 

Hello Nick,

there are two foam seals located around the BT drive tube, on top of the gear-box/props GRP casing, looking like the one you see inside, around the drive tube. When the BT is in the UP position, these seals are supposed to be compressed against the top of the hull box (where the BT is stored). If your seals are aged/damaged, they are not soft anymore and cannot play their part.
They also could be in good condition but the UP position of the BT is too low (because the stop switches -mechanic or magnetic- have moved). But as you mentioned you could put the safety pin in, I don't think the switches are wrong (stopping the lifting too early).

In order to replace the neopren foam seals, you need to have the vessel out of the water. You should wait until next scheduled haul-out for antifouling, as the amount of water is probably not much and is draining through a hose to the engine room bilge. A good check is to turn off the draining hose valve (under saloon floorboard) and see how much water you get in one hour, as the water will collect at the bottom of the front deck locker.

Have a nice sailing.

On Friday, May 17, 2019, 7:46:22 PM GMT+2, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Cortney,
Yes I put the pin in unless I am literally going round the corner.
I will be sailing tomorrow in quite light conditions. So assuming there is no spray I will open up the for-peak and take a look...
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
> On 17 May 2019, at 18:15, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nick do you have the pin in the secure the thruster?
> Courtney
> Trippin
> 54 #101
>> On May 17, 2019, at 9:31 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
>> I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.
>>
>> Nick
>> Amelia (AML54-019)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>



Re: Bowthruster Water Ingress

Nick Newington
 

Hi Cortney,
Yes I put the pin in unless I am literally going round the corner.
I will be sailing tomorrow in quite light conditions. So assuming there is no spray I will open up the for-peak and take a look...
Nick
Amelia AML54-019

On 17 May 2019, at 18:15, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Nick do you have the pin in the secure the thruster?
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
On May 17, 2019, at 9:31 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.

Nick
Amelia (AML54-019)
Re: Bowthruster Water Ingress

Dimitris Krasopoulos
 

There is a pin to put in case you go windward in order to avoid the BT to lower

Στάλθηκε από το iPhone of Dimitris Krasopoulos

On May 17, 2019, at 16:31, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.

Nick
Amelia (AML54-019)
Re: Bowthruster Water Ingress

Courtney Gorman
 

Nick do you have the pin in the secure the thruster?
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101

On May 17, 2019, at 9:31 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.

Nick
Amelia (AML54-019)
Re: Jib Furler

Steven Bode - SV Intention 1994-SM#117
 

Aha! Mystery solved. Found the dog running around the yard with my gear seal in its mouth... Hey! Come back here!!
-Bode

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Steve Bode, Sailing Vessel Intention
Amel Super Maramu #117 (1994) 
Currently Drydocked at ANT Yat Servis
Bodrum Marina Bodrum, Turkey
+1 415-710-6659 voice/text/whatsapp
 
Jib Furler

Steven Bode - SV Intention 1994-SM#117
 

Friends,

I'm looking for a higher resolution copy of the enclosed diagram. Can someone help me? I'm reassembling my furler and can not believe that there is not a seal on the top of the gearbox. I must be missing something.

https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/photo/84548/55/sm%20genoa%20furler?p=Name,,sm+genoa+furler,20,1,0,0

Kind regards,
-Bode

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Steve Bode, Sailing Vessel Intention
Amel Super Maramu #117 (1994) 
Currently Drydocked at ANT Yat Servis
Bodrum Marina Bodrum, Turkey
+1 415-710-6659 voice/text/whatsapp
 
Re: Model Name Typeface on Toe Rail

Steven Bode - SV Intention 1994-SM#117
 

Everybody, Amel said that they do not have these stickers any more. I hired a local 'sticker guy' through ANT Yat services here in Bodrum and he came out with a color palette, took a picture I sent him showing the font and came back and installed an absolute spot-on match. Cost me $60.
-Bode
Bowthruster Water Ingress

Nick Newington
 

Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.

Nick
Amelia (AML54-019)
Re: Dessalator cuts out when flushing

James Cromie <jamescromie@...>
 

Thanks for the information Gary! 
Fair Winds,
James

On May 7, 2019, at 10:16 PM, Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver@...> wrote:

Hi James, You are correct, depending on the source you look at 1 micro-siemen/cm = to about 0.65 TDS for seawater.  I have corrected my original message. 

This is the EC meter I bought ( example   https://www.ebay.com/itm/OMEGA-ENGINEERING-CDCN-201-CDCN201-RQANS2-/232703669959 )  it is powered by 230 VAC, has adjustable alarm limits (I verified the calibration on mine using some standardized calibrated water), and it has relay output for the alarm and/or bypass valve.  I included some LEDs to show power, and alarm condition but that was just fluff.  I powered it from the Dessalinator CB  so that any time that CB is on the salinity sensor is on.  The relay output switches 24 VDC to the sonalert that has an inline switch that I label "arm / mute" so I can mute the sonalert while the startup cycle does it's thing (i.e. high EC). The bypass switch is labeled "save / discard".  I will draw up a schematic of the system and post it in the files section under Amel SM - Dessalator.  The sensor is plumbed into the product water line as it exits the membranes (next to the original sham sensor).  I think I already posted a picture of that.  My timer for the auto flush circuit is a 24 volt fish feeder 7 day programable timer hooked to a relay.  The wire from the 24 VDC panel for the pressurized water pump passes thru this relay on the Normally Open contacts.  When the timer is in the "ON" mode the relay closes and supplies 24 VDC to the fresh water pump.  When I leave the boat I place the flush valve in the the "flush" position and set the Timer to "Auto" mode so that when the timer commands, the relay closes, energizing the fresh water pump for the period programmed into the timer.  Once the flush is complete the power to the fresh water pump is interrupted by the relay contacts opening.  So the pressurized water system is not always pressurized lest a leak flood the boat.  It is only pressurized during relay closure.

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335 

Re: Bow locker floors/hawse pipe replacement project recap

Gary Silver
 

Hi Thomas:

Thanks for your excellent write up and pictures of your project. I am collecting the supplies to do my bow locker floors and hawse pipe replacement.  I noted that you wrote that you used a 4 inch PVC pipe for your hawse pipe.   I measure the OD (outside diameter) of the existing hawse pipe on my boat as 76.45 mm or 3 inches.  Can you comment on your findings and if you used an oversized pipe?  Someone on this forum suggested using FRP tubing from McMaster Carr but the largest size I can find there is an OD of 3 inches with and ID of 2.5 inches.  I am uncertain if and ID of 2.5 inches is large enough.  Do you have any thoughts on that?

Thanks for any input or suggestions you might provide. 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335
Puerto Del Rey Marina, Fajardo Puerto Rico
Re: Reya fresh water pump won’t start

CW Bill Rouse
 

See if you can manually turn the pump. If you don't see a way to turn the motor shaft, open the round impeller cover and turn a few turns. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, May 16, 2019, 10:56 AM Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
We arrived on Kokomo today after wintering her for 6 months in Greece. When I turn on the fresh water breaker, the pump does not start and the breaker trips after about 2-3 seconds..

The pump was working perfectly before we left, so I’m assuming it has something to do with the pump sitting for 6 months.

Any ideas on how to get her Re-started?

Respectfully;


Mohammad  and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54#099
Re: Reya fresh water pump won’t start

Courtney Gorman
 

Hi I have 54# 101 and just replaced my pump.  It was inconsistently running and not turning off then working properly for a while then screwing up again.  Bill recommend a replacement easy peasy and now no worries (the best) pump a little expensive but......
I figured after 10 years about time Cheers!!


-----Original Message-----
From: Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, May 16, 2019 11:56 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Reya fresh water pump won’t start

We arrived on Kokomo today after wintering her for 6 months in Greece. When I turn on the fresh water breaker, the pump does not start and the breaker trips after about 2-3 seconds..

The pump was working perfectly before we left, so I’m assuming it has something to do with the pump sitting for 6 months.

Any ideas on how to get her Re-started?

Respectfully;


Mohammad  and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54#099
Re: Reya fresh water pump won’t start

Wolfgang Weber <webercardio@...>
 

Try to turn the ventilator of the motor with a screwdriver 
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 
Re: Reya fresh water pump won’t start

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Mohammad,
The brushes may be wearing or something a bit seized. I found that giving it a firm knock as soon as you switch it on gets it going. In my case it was brushes.

Paul Dowd
Ya Fohi- Amel54 #98

On 16 May 2019, at 17:56, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@transpacific.us> wrote:

We arrived on Kokomo today after wintering her for 6 months in Greece. When I turn on the fresh water breaker, the pump does not start and the breaker trips after about 2-3 seconds..

The pump was working perfectly before we left, so I’m assuming it has something to do with the pump sitting for 6 months.

Any ideas on how to get her Re-started?

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54#099

--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
Re: Reya fresh water pump won’t start

Mark Erdos
 

Mohammad and Aty,

My first guess would be the impeller has seized.


With best regards,

Mark

Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Panama
www.creampuff.us

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 11:56 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Reya fresh water pump won’t start

We arrived on Kokomo today after wintering her for 6 months in Greece. When I turn on the fresh water breaker, the pump does not start and the breaker trips after about 2-3 seconds..

The pump was working perfectly before we left, so I’m assuming it has something to do with the pump sitting for 6 months.

Any ideas on how to get her Re-started?

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54#099
Reya fresh water pump won’t start

Mohammad Shirloo
 

We arrived on Kokomo today after wintering her for 6 months in Greece. When I turn on the fresh water breaker, the pump does not start and the breaker trips after about 2-3 seconds..

The pump was working perfectly before we left, so I’m assuming it has something to do with the pump sitting for 6 months.

Any ideas on how to get her Re-started?

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54#099
Re: Seawater Flush

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Arno and Dimitris,
Thanks, I have it working now with the pump and noticed the overflow problem immediately. I was lucky and didn’t get any smells at all when I changed over, maybe because the toilet has never been used with saltwater.

The previous owner made no modifications in this area.  Needless to say, I’ll be sticking with the freshwater flushing mode of operation! 

Thanks all.

Cheers
Dean
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