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Re: Seagull spigot (things that make you go hmmm)

 

Possibly the filter requires 10-20 minutes of flow to flush out preservatives. Most do. Did you do this?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, May 18, 2019, 6:56 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Thomas,

my understanding has both readings well within acceptable limits

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl


On 19 May 2019 at 10:49 Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

Never thought to do this before (and wish I hadn't). Test of galley faucet water- 187 ppm (tank filled from watermaker only), test of seagull spigot with 1 week old filter- 210 ppm. And those filters aren't cheap. Two different meters confirmed this as did switching the meters.


Re: Now locker floor replacement

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Tom. The bolt you’re talking about screws into a steel plate embedded in the fiberglass. That plate is I believe welded to the hawse pipe to transfer load to the hawse pipe.. With the rusting out of the hawse pipe the plate also rusted and broke away the fiberglass encasement. It is highly compromised.

The structural load from the windlass is transferred to the hawse pipe and ultimately resolved down to the Locker floor and then over to the vertical divider between the two bow lockers as the primary structural resistance. Therefore our thought is to utilize an L-shaped steel strap bolted directly to the vertical divider between the bow lockers to receive the windlass bolt and thereby transferred load directly from the bolt to the vertical divider.
image1.jpeg
We do need to remember that the forces on these bolts are limited by the power of the windlass motor. Actual anchoring loads should be directed to the big cleat or with bridle to the port and starboard bow cleats.

Having directed the loads directly to the vertical panel The hawse pipe no longer takes the structural load. Our next step with this is to find a piece of pipe PVC plumbing pipe or PVC conduit that will slip over the stubs of the old hawse pipe that we left behind. I will follow up after doing so.
Mike 
Aletes SM240

On May 18, 2019, at 6:36 PM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

Hey mike- cool pics....question for you. Are all 4 of your windlass bolts accessible or is the back starboard bolt glassed over ? Wondering why not just replace the whole hawse pipe and make your header for it also a lip for the back starboard bolt ?


Re: Now locker floor replacement

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Gary. Here are some pictures of the hawse pipe. With scale. Note how rotted out the steel pipe was.
Mike
Aletes SM#240

On May 19, 2019, at 12:44 AM, Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver@...> wrote:

Hi Mike, Looking good.  Could you provide the ID (inside diameter) of the Amel hawse pipe?
image3.jpeg
Thanks,image2.jpeg

Gary S. Silverimage1.jpeg
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335


Re: Now locker floor replacement

Gary Silver
 

Hi Mike, Looking good.  Could you provide the ID (inside diameter) of the Amel hawse pipe?

Thanks,

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335


Re: Seagull spigot (things that make you go hmmm)

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Thomas,

my understanding has both readings well within acceptable limits

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl


On 19 May 2019 at 10:49 Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

Never thought to do this before (and wish I hadn't). Test of galley faucet water- 187 ppm (tank filled from watermaker only), test of seagull spigot with 1 week old filter- 210 ppm. And those filters aren't cheap. Two different meters confirmed this as did switching the meters.


Seagull spigot (things that make you go hmmm)

Thomas Kleman
 

Never thought to do this before (and wish I hadn't). Test of galley faucet water- 187 ppm (tank filled from watermaker only), test of seagull spigot with 1 week old filter- 210 ppm. And those filters aren't cheap. Two different meters confirmed this as did switching the meters.


Re: Now locker floor replacement

Thomas Kleman
 

Hey mike- cool pics....question for you. Are all 4 of your windlass bolts accessible or is the back starboard bolt glassed over ? Wondering why not just replace the whole hawse pipe and make your header for it also a lip for the back starboard bolt ?


Re: Bow locker floors/hawse pipe replacement project recap

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Do preventing maintenance.
Apply penetrating epoxy on the bottom and epoxy paint on top.
I jump in the locker. It is solid.

Vladimir
S/V "Life is Good"
SM2000 345.

On Sat, May 18, 2019, 10:14 AM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@... wrote:
Hey Gary. I made a header out of fiberglass with a wide lip (to seat the back starboard windlass bolt). I glued and screwed the header under the windlass. The header lip fits 2 inches inside the 4 inch Pvc so no leaks. The PVC is siliconed to the header (it can be removed if necessary). In the chain locker ceiling , a flange holds the PVC up and I added a thick ring of starboard to protect the bottom of flange from chain banging. So, I can access windlass bolts easily and remove and replace my hawse pipe without dealing with cutting fiberglass and 5200. And it drains without leaks past my double glassed 3/4 inch locker floor.


Now locker floor replacement

Mike Ondra
 

In the midst of Bow locker floor replacement. See attached photos. Plywood bottom was rotting and delaminating resulting in failure of the port locker. It was cut out to within 3 inches of the perimeter. Strategy is replacement plywood to be laid on top of the remaining flange and glassed in. Using half-inch plywood as original but with with some rib reinforcing underneath to allow enough structural support for opening access. Glassing both sides.
House pipe cut off below top and above bottom. Plan is to slide a PVC pipe over top of the existing house pipe flanges and glass it in for structural integrity. At least that’s the plan so far.
Mike
Aletes SM#240


Re: Bow locker floors/hawse pipe replacement project recap

Thomas Kleman
 

Hey Gary. I made a header out of fiberglass with a wide lip (to seat the back starboard windlass bolt). I glued and screwed the header under the windlass. The header lip fits 2 inches inside the 4 inch Pvc so no leaks. The PVC is siliconed to the header (it can be removed if necessary). In the chain locker ceiling , a flange holds the PVC up and I added a thick ring of starboard to protect the bottom of flange from chain banging. So, I can access windlass bolts easily and remove and replace my hawse pipe without dealing with cutting fiberglass and 5200. And it drains without leaks past my double glassed 3/4 inch locker floor.


Re: Bow-thruster

Craig Briggs
 

As Yogi Berra said, "You can observe a lot by looking around."


Bow-thruster

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hello all,

Eureka!

The leak was not the Bow Thruster
after all. I got in there this morning whilst underway having wiped it all dry. There was 10 knots of breeze and we were sailing nicely at 6 knots.
The leak is from the hatch drain, where it enters the BT glass box. As we pitched there was a drip. So I siliconed it and dried it all again. When we get in tomorrow I will be able to confirm.
Nick
Amelia in passage to Ibiza
AML54-019


Re: CloudStreet is for sale

Joe Nance
 

Hello All,

This is an update to the status of the upgrades for CloudStreet.  New Yanmar 80 hp Turbo Diesel being installed now.  New Q Sails Genoa, Main & Mizzen sails fitted today, May 17th, 2019.  Photos at the web site:


She's looking awesome!

Joe 


On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 10:35 PM Joe Nance via Groups.Io <cloudstreet100=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,

CloudStreet is for sale.  She is a 2001 Amel Super Maramu 2000 in excellent condition with many upgrades.  I have put up a website with the particulars and also posted to the 'Amel for Sale' subgroup.  I can be reached at:  joe at cloudstreet dot net . 

It has been a true pleasure.

Here is the web address:

https://sailingcloudstreet.blogspot.com/


Re: Bowthruster Water Ingress

ngtnewington Newington
 

Thanks everyone for the info.

Nick


On 17 May 2019, at 23:36, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Nick,

I think what Olivier is telling you is that there are 2 "Outside" Neoprene foam seals (one on top of the other) that seal the tube opening when the BT is up. The one you see inside the watertight BT compartment is the "Inside" Neoprene foam seal...it seals the tube opening when the BT is down.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 4:04 PM ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Olivier, 
Thank you for that information. I see the neoprene seal from the inside and have some spares on board. I guess they glue in place. I suppose it is normal for a small amount of water to leak through, if the boat is slamming to windward. In any case next time I haul out I will glue in new seals.
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
Cruising, all be it quite rapidly towards Corfu 


On 17 May 2019, at 21:30, Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Nick,

there are two foam seals located around the BT drive tube, on top of the gear-box/props GRP casing, looking like the one you see inside, around the drive tube. When the BT is in the UP position, these seals are supposed to be compressed against the top of the hull box (where the BT is stored). If your seals are aged/damaged, they are not soft anymore and cannot play their part.
They also could be in good condition but the UP position of the BT is too low (because the stop switches -mechanic or magnetic- have moved). But as you mentioned you could put the safety pin in, I don't think the switches are wrong (stopping the lifting too early).

In order to replace the neopren foam seals, you need to have the vessel out of the water. You should wait until next scheduled haul-out for antifouling, as the amount of water is probably not much and is draining through a hose to the engine room bilge. A good check is to turn off the draining hose valve (under saloon floorboard) and see how much water you get in one hour, as the water will collect at the bottom of the front deck locker.

Have a nice sailing.

On Friday, May 17, 2019, 7:46:22 PM GMT+2, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Cortney,
Yes I put the pin in unless I am literally going round the corner.
I will be sailing tomorrow in quite light conditions. So assuming there is no spray I will open up the for-peak and take a look...
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
> On 17 May 2019, at 18:15, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nick do you have the pin in the secure the thruster?
> Courtney
> Trippin
> 54 #101
>> On May 17, 2019, at 9:31 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
>> I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.
>>
>> Nick
>> Amelia (AML54-019)
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Re: Bowthruster Water Ingress

 

Nick,

I think what Olivier is telling you is that there are 2 "Outside" Neoprene foam seals (one on top of the other) that seal the tube opening when the BT is up. The one you see inside the watertight BT compartment is the "Inside" Neoprene foam seal...it seals the tube opening when the BT is down.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 4:04 PM ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Olivier, 
Thank you for that information. I see the neoprene seal from the inside and have some spares on board. I guess they glue in place. I suppose it is normal for a small amount of water to leak through, if the boat is slamming to windward. In any case next time I haul out I will glue in new seals.
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
Cruising, all be it quite rapidly towards Corfu 


On 17 May 2019, at 21:30, Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Nick,

there are two foam seals located around the BT drive tube, on top of the gear-box/props GRP casing, looking like the one you see inside, around the drive tube. When the BT is in the UP position, these seals are supposed to be compressed against the top of the hull box (where the BT is stored). If your seals are aged/damaged, they are not soft anymore and cannot play their part.
They also could be in good condition but the UP position of the BT is too low (because the stop switches -mechanic or magnetic- have moved). But as you mentioned you could put the safety pin in, I don't think the switches are wrong (stopping the lifting too early).

In order to replace the neopren foam seals, you need to have the vessel out of the water. You should wait until next scheduled haul-out for antifouling, as the amount of water is probably not much and is draining through a hose to the engine room bilge. A good check is to turn off the draining hose valve (under saloon floorboard) and see how much water you get in one hour, as the water will collect at the bottom of the front deck locker.

Have a nice sailing.

On Friday, May 17, 2019, 7:46:22 PM GMT+2, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Cortney,
Yes I put the pin in unless I am literally going round the corner.
I will be sailing tomorrow in quite light conditions. So assuming there is no spray I will open up the for-peak and take a look...
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
> On 17 May 2019, at 18:15, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nick do you have the pin in the secure the thruster?
> Courtney
> Trippin
> 54 #101
>> On May 17, 2019, at 9:31 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
>> I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.
>>
>> Nick
>> Amelia (AML54-019)
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Re: Bowthruster Water Ingress

karkauai
 

Hi Nick.  I assume it’s the same on the 54 as on the SM.  
While you’re at it, change the lip seal where the shaft goes through the hull, change the oil in the shaft, and change the lip seal on the prop shaft.  I also change the nylon bolts the the prop hub.  There’s a good description of the maintenance procedure in the Files section of this site.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On May 17, 2019, at 5:04 PM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Hello Olivier, 
Thank you for that information. I see the neoprene seal from the inside and have some spares on board. I guess they glue in place. I suppose it is normal for a small amount of water to leak through, if the boat is slamming to windward. In any case next time I haul out I will glue in new seals.
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
Cruising, all be it quite rapidly towards Corfu 


On 17 May 2019, at 21:30, Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Nick,

there are two foam seals located around the BT drive tube, on top of the gear-box/props GRP casing, looking like the one you see inside, around the drive tube. When the BT is in the UP position, these seals are supposed to be compressed against the top of the hull box (where the BT is stored). If your seals are aged/damaged, they are not soft anymore and cannot play their part.
They also could be in good condition but the UP position of the BT is too low (because the stop switches -mechanic or magnetic- have moved). But as you mentioned you could put the safety pin in, I don't think the switches are wrong (stopping the lifting too early).

In order to replace the neopren foam seals, you need to have the vessel out of the water. You should wait until next scheduled haul-out for antifouling, as the amount of water is probably not much and is draining through a hose to the engine room bilge. A good check is to turn off the draining hose valve (under saloon floorboard) and see how much water you get in one hour, as the water will collect at the bottom of the front deck locker.

Have a nice sailing.

On Friday, May 17, 2019, 7:46:22 PM GMT+2, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Cortney,
Yes I put the pin in unless I am literally going round the corner.
I will be sailing tomorrow in quite light conditions. So assuming there is no spray I will open up the for-peak and take a look...
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
> On 17 May 2019, at 18:15, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nick do you have the pin in the secure the thruster?
> Courtney
> Trippin
> 54 #101
>> On May 17, 2019, at 9:31 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
>> I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.
>>
>> Nick
>> Amelia (AML54-019)
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>
>
>
>




Re: Bowthruster Water Ingress

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hello Olivier, 
Thank you for that information. I see the neoprene seal from the inside and have some spares on board. I guess they glue in place. I suppose it is normal for a small amount of water to leak through, if the boat is slamming to windward. In any case next time I haul out I will glue in new seals.
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
Cruising, all be it quite rapidly towards Corfu 


On 17 May 2019, at 21:30, Beaute Olivier via Groups.Io <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote:

Hello Nick,

there are two foam seals located around the BT drive tube, on top of the gear-box/props GRP casing, looking like the one you see inside, around the drive tube. When the BT is in the UP position, these seals are supposed to be compressed against the top of the hull box (where the BT is stored). If your seals are aged/damaged, they are not soft anymore and cannot play their part.
They also could be in good condition but the UP position of the BT is too low (because the stop switches -mechanic or magnetic- have moved). But as you mentioned you could put the safety pin in, I don't think the switches are wrong (stopping the lifting too early).

In order to replace the neopren foam seals, you need to have the vessel out of the water. You should wait until next scheduled haul-out for antifouling, as the amount of water is probably not much and is draining through a hose to the engine room bilge. A good check is to turn off the draining hose valve (under saloon floorboard) and see how much water you get in one hour, as the water will collect at the bottom of the front deck locker.

Have a nice sailing.

On Friday, May 17, 2019, 7:46:22 PM GMT+2, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Cortney,
Yes I put the pin in unless I am literally going round the corner.
I will be sailing tomorrow in quite light conditions. So assuming there is no spray I will open up the for-peak and take a look...
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
> On 17 May 2019, at 18:15, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nick do you have the pin in the secure the thruster?
> Courtney
> Trippin
> 54 #101
>> On May 17, 2019, at 9:31 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
>> I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.
>>
>> Nick
>> Amelia (AML54-019)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: Bowthruster Water Ingress

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Nick,

there are two foam seals located around the BT drive tube, on top of the gear-box/props GRP casing, looking like the one you see inside, around the drive tube. When the BT is in the UP position, these seals are supposed to be compressed against the top of the hull box (where the BT is stored). If your seals are aged/damaged, they are not soft anymore and cannot play their part.
They also could be in good condition but the UP position of the BT is too low (because the stop switches -mechanic or magnetic- have moved). But as you mentioned you could put the safety pin in, I don't think the switches are wrong (stopping the lifting too early).

In order to replace the neopren foam seals, you need to have the vessel out of the water. You should wait until next scheduled haul-out for antifouling, as the amount of water is probably not much and is draining through a hose to the engine room bilge. A good check is to turn off the draining hose valve (under saloon floorboard) and see how much water you get in one hour, as the water will collect at the bottom of the front deck locker.

Have a nice sailing.

On Friday, May 17, 2019, 7:46:22 PM GMT+2, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Hi Cortney,
Yes I put the pin in unless I am literally going round the corner.
I will be sailing tomorrow in quite light conditions. So assuming there is no spray I will open up the for-peak and take a look...
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
> On 17 May 2019, at 18:15, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nick do you have the pin in the secure the thruster?
> Courtney
> Trippin
> 54 #101
>> On May 17, 2019, at 9:31 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
>> I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.
>>
>> Nick
>> Amelia (AML54-019)
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: Bowthruster Water Ingress

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Cortney,
Yes I put the pin in unless I am literally going round the corner.
I will be sailing tomorrow in quite light conditions. So assuming there is no spray I will open up the for-peak and take a look...
Nick
Amelia AML54-019

On 17 May 2019, at 18:15, Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Nick do you have the pin in the secure the thruster?
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
On May 17, 2019, at 9:31 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.

Nick
Amelia (AML54-019)





Re: Bowthruster Water Ingress

Dimitris Krasopoulos
 

There is a pin to put in case you go windward in order to avoid the BT to lower

Στάλθηκε από το iPhone of Dimitris Krasopoulos

On May 17, 2019, at 16:31, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Whilst sailing I have noticed that a small amount of water leaks in from the bow-thruster. It harmlessly drains to the main bilge. Even going up wind in rough conditions it is probably only a litre or two an hour. Is this normal? I have not shut myself in there whilst hammering to windward to see!!!! But conclude that it can only be from the BT.
I have never used a retractable thruster before but imagine there are some seals. The Amel owners manual does not cover this nor the SidePower folder. Can anyone advise me so that when I next haul out I can replace them.

Nick
Amelia (AML54-019)


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