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Re: Running Backstays

Theo s/v Paloma
 

Hi John,

I just went through the handover week on my Amel 50. Regarding the running backstays, they told me to use them when running with the staysail. The goal is to avoid mast pumping. So, anytime you see the mast pumping, or bending toward the bow around the middle, use the running backstays.

I have not used the boat yet, so I do not have practical experience.
I hope this info helps.

Theo.
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18
Still in La Rochelle, getting ready for the Med.


Re: Running Backstays

John
 

I have owned an Amel 54 for only a few months.   As most 54s, the boat is rigged with genoa and staysail, and yes I have the reinforced mast with a little prebend, and followed the advice on having heavier lower stays than the original. And I have the dyneema lines ready to be used as running backstays ... but no tackle (yet) at the back end of the running backstays.

(My previous boat had a genoa and self-tacking staysail, but had lower forward stays and adjustable hydraulic tension on the aft stays to adjust the mainsail shape, and no running backstays.)

So, I looked through the Amel owner manual and user guide. I found no pictures or advice on using the running backstays.  So I would appreciate a little advice on 3 items

1) Do you have any pictures of your running backstays in action, showing how you rigged the tackle and maybe the size of the tackle..

2) When running downwind, do use them if you have staysail and Genoa (or gennaker) set and are running hard? 

3) When going upwind do you use them only when using staysail in a heavy blow ??

Any help would be appreciated ... especially a picture or two.

John,
Justina (Austin TX)  A54 #34, in France


Re: Volvo D3-110 belt changes

Alexander Ramseyer
 

Hoi Ruedi,
Could you please let me know what 24V alternator is installed on Wasabi?
Thanks, Alex


Stanchion measurements / scuba tank holder dimensions

James Cromie
 

Hello fellow Amel owners - 
I would like to make a wooden SCUBA tank holder the twill mount against the stanchions on the aft deck of our boat.  I am not currently on my boat, and would like to ask if anyone can measure the tubing diameter of the stanchions and the distance  between centers for the stanchions near aft part of the boat for a Super Maramu 2000.  
I'd also love to know about anyone else's design that is currently in use, and any photos you're able to share!

Thank you!

James
Soteria
SM2K 347
Le Marin, Martinique


Re: Bow locker floors/hawse pipe replacement project recap

ngtnewington Newington
 

How about using pvc pipe and glassing it in place and wrapping it in glass.?
Nick
Amelia AML 54-019 anchored in Menorca. Mistral about to kick in so waiting to ride it’s coat tails to Sardinia maybe Monday


On 24 May 2019, at 15:05, Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver@...> wrote:

Thomas:

I think I just realized why Amel didn't use SS pipe for the hawse pipe.  I just priced a 31 inch long pice of 316L SS tubing (OD 3 inch with 0.25 inch wall thickness).  $10 US per inch or $310 for the piece.  Yikes!!  a bit of 1/4 into 316L plate brought the total to $375.00.  The same in galvanized pipe would probably be $10.   

Of course using stainless would alleviate the grief we are all suffering in replacing this bit of kit.  Simultaneously it would prevent us from gaining an intimate knowledge of our boats systems / weak points. 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335
Puerto Rico


Re: Bow locker floors/hawse pipe replacement project recap

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Fibreglass or PVC schedule 80 is adequate. I installed PVC O.D. 2  7/8". I can provide more details for installation if you want.

Vladimir

S/V Life is Good
SM # 345

On Fri, May 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver=mac.com@groups.io wrote:
Thomas:

I think I just realized why Amel didn't use SS pipe for the hawse pipe.  I just priced a 31 inch long pice of 316L SS tubing (OD 3 inch with 0.25 inch wall thickness).  $10 US per inch or $310 for the piece.  Yikes!!  a bit of 1/4 into 316L plate brought the total to $375.00.  The same in galvanized pipe would probably be $10.   

Of course using stainless would alleviate the grief we are all suffering in replacing this bit of kit.  Simultaneously it would prevent us from gaining an intimate knowledge of our boats systems / weak points. 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335
Puerto Rico


Re: Bow locker floors/hawse pipe replacement project recap

Gary Silver
 

Thomas:

I think I just realized why Amel didn't use SS pipe for the hawse pipe.  I just priced a 31 inch long pice of 316L SS tubing (OD 3 inch with 0.25 inch wall thickness).  $10 US per inch or $310 for the piece.  Yikes!!  a bit of 1/4 into 316L plate brought the total to $375.00.  The same in galvanized pipe would probably be $10.   

Of course using stainless would alleviate the grief we are all suffering in replacing this bit of kit.  Simultaneously it would prevent us from gaining an intimate knowledge of our boats systems / weak points. 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335
Puerto Rico


Re: SSB circuit breaker

Gary Silver
 

My SSB is a 12 VDC unit.  The boat is a 24 volt system.  The SSB circuit breaker is for the 12 VDC power supply that is mounted on a removable board on the aft wall of the cabinet below the nav station (i.e. the partition between the hanging locker and the nav station cabinetry).  The fault causing your breaker to trip can be of three sources:
1.  A faulty circuit breaker
2.  A fault in the power supply if your boat has the same as mine
3.  A fault in the SSB or the wiring between any of these.

Good luck in your trouble shooting. 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 # 335
Puerto Del Rey Marina, Fajardo, Puerto Rico


Re: SM Chain Counter Update

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hello, if this helps anybody.
On Amel54 with autoanchper chain counter I replaced first with original sensor, which was dead after 1year.
Then I used a Meanwell reedswitch embeded in hot glue and shrinktube as replacement, works fine now. 

On Thu, May 23, 2019, 21:50 Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:
Success with getting the chain counter to work, not working since we bought the boat 9 years ago. The problem was a bad sensor by the windlass. Even though the replacement was not identical it did work. Please note this applies only to the LaRochelle installed counter with he orange sensor and digital display with the Amel logo. 

Tom Peacock
SM Aletes #240 Aletes
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay


New Curtains

Elaine Leishman
 

Hi, I  am wanting to update the curtains on our Super Maramu 2000.  Looking for ideas from anyone else that has replaced theirs.  I like the look of the curtains on the Amell 55 which appear to have a solid tube at the bottom of the curtain.  Can someone post a couple of closeup photos showing how they are attached.  Thanks,
Elaine Nebo SM251


Re: [EXTERNAL] - [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL 55

Joerg Esdorn
 

Hi, I have owned my boat for three years now and would be happy to talk with you.  Please send me an email and I’ll share my contact details.  

Joerg Esdorn
Amel 55 Kincsem 
#53




Re: SM Chain Counter Update

Thomas Peacock
 

It is sensor IB 5072, made by IFM.  I bought it in the US from Radwell; however, IFM is a German company; if you are in the EU you might be able to buy directly from IFM or a European distributor. 

Tom Peacock
Aletes SM #240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay

On May 23, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Derick Gates <derickgates@...> wrote:

Thomas,

Where did you source the new sensor from?

Derick
SM2K #400
Brava


Re: SSB circuit breaker

 

Derrick,

An indication of a short. If there were no power, it will stay depressed.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 4:38 PM Derick Gates <derickgates@...> wrote:
Does the SSB circuit have a fuse, in addition to the circuit breaker?  My circuit breaker green button will no longer stay depressed, as if there was no power in the circuit. 


Re: SM Chain Counter Update

Derick Gates
 

Thomas,

Where did you source the new sensor from?

Derick
SM2K #400
Brava


SSB circuit breaker

Derick Gates
 

Does the SSB circuit have a fuse, in addition to the circuit breaker?  My circuit breaker green button will no longer stay depressed, as if there was no power in the circuit. 


SM Chain Counter Update

Thomas Peacock
 

Success with getting the chain counter to work, not working since we bought the boat 9 years ago. The problem was a bad sensor by the windlass. Even though the replacement was not identical it did work. Please note this applies only to the LaRochelle installed counter with he orange sensor and digital display with the Amel logo. 

Tom Peacock
SM Aletes #240 Aletes
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay


Re: [EXTERNAL] - [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL 55

John Clanton <jclanton@...>
 

Lindy,

 

I am happy to share our experience.  Please send a note with your email to clanton@... and I can share our experiences directly.

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

 

Cartagena, Spain at the moment

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lindy & John Corrie
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2019 2:55 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [AmelYachtOwners] AMEL 55

 

we are considering purchasing an Amel 55 in Europe and would be very interested in feedback from owners. Our plan is to live onboard for extended periods & sail the boat back to Australia.
good & bad info is most welcome
thanks in advance 
Lindy


Re: The two "sticks" on the genoa top swivel

 

Mike,

I apologize that I missed this message, but just saw it when Paul replied below. In the future, if you need to reach me directly use brouse"at"gmail.com.

NO, do not use a metal shackle.

Place a bowline with a small loop at the swivel end of the halyard. Make the bowline so that the "tail" is inside rather than outside the knot. This will keep the tail from interfering with anything. Now, with the bowline loop about 3-4" from the bottom of the swivel secure with a bowline to the loop a piece of 1/4" (8mm) kevlar, passing the kevlar through the loop and the hole in the swivel 3 times before securing the end of the kevlar. I usually use a stack of hitches to secure the kevlar with the last hitch going through the middle of the line loops rather than around all of them, When the halyard is tight this last pass through the middle gets pinched really tight.


--

 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: New sails

 

I have recommended 3 types of sails from QSails and all of my recommendations utilize sailcloth from the German Company,  Dimension-Polyant. Dimension-Polyant is known as the best in the world. I do not recommend Laminate sailcloth because most Amels do not have boom vangs to adjust the height of the boom when furling, and, as you know, the furling mainsail on a SM will furl in almost any condition as long as the owner has NOT added battens. For many reasons, I never recommend battens, especially on a SM.

I believe it is important to know the advantages and disadvantages of different types of sailcloth and sail construction. You also need to consider the furling capabilities of your Amel. 
This is what I recommend for a SN, SM, or 54: (NOTE: The 55 has an adjustable boom vang and can carry a wider variety, but I recommend Hydranet for a 55)

BEST - HydraNet TriRadial Cut is a TriRadial Cut HydraNet from the German company Dimension-Polyant. I consider Dimension-Polyant the best sailcloth manufacturer in the world, and HydraNet is the best sailcloth.
BETTER - TriRadial Cut Pro Radial Dimension/Polyant Dacron is for those owners wanting a very high-quality Dacron Polyester fiber sailcloth from the German company Dimension-Polyant. I recommend that it is cut and assembled in a TriRadial configuration. This is a slightly higher quality sail with the same TriRadial construction that your Super Maramu had when new.
GOOD - CrossCut AP Dacron is for budget-minded Super Maramu owners who would like a dacron polyester cross-cut sail similar to what Doyle Sails provides. If you plan to own your SM for longer than 5 years, I do NOT recommend this.

Regardless of the choice above, I also recommend:
  1. Laser cutting on HydraNet sails (the laser burns and seals the edges of the cloth enabling single line stitching).
  2. Foam Luff on Genoa
  3. Spectra webbing reinforcement for furling at Head, Tack, & Clew.
     
  4. Sewn Leather Reinforcement of the Clew Ring of welded stainless steel
  5. Kevlar Leech and Foot lines
  6. Premium Tenara® thread
  7. Sunbrella Ultra UV panels
I hope this helps you make a better decision of your sail purchases.

As a note, QSails has performed very well with a total of 29 of my clients. A few clients have experienced delivery issues, which in the end, QSails has assumed responsibility for, even though the responsibility clearly was that of the Air Freight Carrier. I admire Emrah Oge for stepping into these freight situations. I think that many other suppliers would leave that up to you.
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 10:13 AM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
Bill
We have "Cruising Laminate" which is Dacron with if I understand it correctly has woven in threads of Dyneema to improve strength and stretch. I had that on my previous boat and was very pleased with it, but of course even extensive holiday sailing is nothing close to live aboard cruising, where wear and tear is so much higher. From my experience now I would hesitate to use "cruising Laminate" again.
North sails claim that their 3D sails has superior durability, they might be right but we talking numbers of 23 000 € for a full set of sails. Incidence offer Hydranet sails for just over 11 000 € both ex VAT. so North sails must last much longer to justify the extra cost, assume shape last better on such high tech sail.
Sail is one of the most important part to be pleased with, one use them very frequently, they provide both comfort and safety if they are in proper shape and condition. i.e. quality is VERY important. I have sailed a few charter type boats with almost new charter sail, sails that were not even good when new and the fun of sailing is suddenly much less.
Further crossing oceans and difficult areas where weather quickly deteriorate sail must be forgiving i.e easy to furl at a sudden squall with wind reaching 40 45 knots one have not very much time to adjust the boom for for wrinkle free furling, and I do not know what to adjust to get wrinkle free furling on a head sail. you may claim sails should be furled before the squall hits you, and you might be right, but there are numerous occasions when weather are bad and further deteriorate and quick further reffing is necessary, Big waves strong current and wind and the going can be very tough I do not want any extra hassle to reffed down. And that is one of the many beauties with our Amel, it is a very safe and easy boat to handle, but it require good quality sails that furls well.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: New sails

Paul Osterberg
 

Bill
We have "Cruising Laminate" which is Dacron with if I understand it correctly has woven in threads of Dyneema to improve strength and stretch. I had that on my previous boat and was very pleased with it, but of course even extensive holiday sailing is nothing close to live aboard cruising, where wear and tear is so much higher. From my experience now I would hesitate to use "cruising Laminate" again.
North sails claim that their 3D sails has superior durability, they might be right but we talking numbers of 23 000 € for a full set of sails. Incidence offer Hydranet sails for just over 11 000 € both ex VAT. so North sails must last much longer to justify the extra cost, assume shape last better on such high tech sail.
Sail is one of the most important part to be pleased with, one use them very frequently, they provide both comfort and safety if they are in proper shape and condition. i.e. quality is VERY important. I have sailed a few charter type boats with almost new charter sail, sails that were not even good when new and the fun of sailing is suddenly much less.
Further crossing oceans and difficult areas where weather quickly deteriorate sail must be forgiving i.e easy to furl at a sudden squall with wind reaching 40 45 knots one have not very much time to adjust the boom for for wrinkle free furling, and I do not know what to adjust to get wrinkle free furling on a head sail. you may claim sails should be furled before the squall hits you, and you might be right, but there are numerous occasions when weather are bad and further deteriorate and quick further reffing is necessary, Big waves strong current and wind and the going can be very tough I do not want any extra hassle to reffed down. And that is one of the many beauties with our Amel, it is a very safe and easy boat to handle, but it require good quality sails that furls well.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259