Date   
Re: Watermaker

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Ian and Judy,

 

The tap is available in most hardware stores for under $5

 

watermaker tap 2.jpg

 

watermaker tap 1.jpg

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 12:21 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Watermaker

 

Hi all,

 

 We have the 60 lph Dessalator which has nearly 3,200 hours on it in 19 years. Really pleased with its performance.

 However, one weakness is the chrome tap on the control board, because its cock depends on a rubber washer which perishes too easily and I haven't found a way to replace the washer so have had to buy new taps from Dessalator. I think we are now on our fourth.

 

 We use the tap regularly  to test the quality of the water with a handheld gadget.

 

What has now happened is that the pipe to the tap has become blocked, so that even with a new tap fitted no water comes out when the tap is opened.

 

When you switch off the w/m , if you leave the tap open you will hear a sucking noise as air is sucked into the tap.  I think what must have happened is that when the last washer perished a piece of the washer broke off and was sucked into the pipe and now blocks is.

 

I have tried blowing and sucking but to no avail. The next step would be to insert a wire very gently to see if I can dislodge the obstruction, but I am reluctant to do this is there is a safer way.

 

Has anyone else had this problem ? Any solutions ?

 

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Lavrion, Greece

supplemental downwind sailing configuration for Super Maramu

James Cromie
 

Hello Super Maramu owners - 
I would like to take a poll of the group regarding preferred downwind sailing configurations:  those who use asymmetrical spinnakers versus the twin headsails, versus some other option such as a Parasailor.  
How does the performance of the these compare for light and moderate wind? 
A parasail is probably out of my price range, but what are the opinions of those who use it? 

Does anyone use a spinnaker on a top-down furler rather than with a sock?   

For an asymmetric spinnaker, I see the standard size is 115m^2.  Is this the size used by others on the forum? 

I would like to have a back up for the twin headsails in case of a sail or system failure.  
The most economical option is to have a spare ballooner.  However, a top-down furling spinnaker seems like an attractive and convenient option for short-hand deployment and dousing (particularly when sailing for many days at a time).

Many thanks,
James

Watermaker

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi all,

 We have the 60 lph Dessalator which has nearly 3,200 hours on it in 19 years. Really pleased with its performance.
 However, one weakness is the chrome tap on the control board, because its cock depends on a rubber washer which perishes too easily and I haven't found a way to replace the washer so have had to buy new taps from Dessalator. I think we are now on our fourth.

 We use the tap regularly  to test the quality of the water with a handheld gadget.

What has now happened is that the pipe to the tap has become blocked, so that even with a new tap fitted no water comes out when the tap is opened.

When you switch off the w/m , if you leave the tap open you will hear a sucking noise as air is sucked into the tap.  I think what must have happened is that when the last washer perished a piece of the washer broke off and was sucked into the pipe and now blocks is.

I have tried blowing and sucking but to no avail. The next step would be to insert a wire very gently to see if I can dislodge the obstruction, but I am reluctant to do this is there is a safer way.

Has anyone else had this problem ? Any solutions ?

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Lavrion, Greece

locked Re: AMEL 55

ngtnewington Newington
 

I take issue with the comment about wide sterns in following seas. Actually a wide stern is what you want on a run or broad. It is called “powerful quarters”. The pinched in stern of IOR vintage might look pretty and offer a nice  clean run in light airs but will not help steering or give sail carrying ability off the wind. It might be a bit sticky in light air due to something called the “prismatic coefficient” but that is all a bit technical.
Nick on Amelia closing in with the south tip of Sardinia, to lick our wounds after a lumpy sail from Menorca. Initially 35kn true on the quarter ending with 12 kn dead astern with a sloppy beam swell left over. Thank goodness for her hind quarters...
AML54-019


On 27 May 2019, at 16:40, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Not true.  I’m just tall enough to bang into the mizzen   sheet - usually with speed.  Still looking to buy your ingenious gas valve ....

Re: Vetus Flexi coupling

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Paul, I'd add to Danny's advice and suggest you also use Nyloc nuts and/or red Locktite.
Craig

locked Re: AMEL 55

 

Bob,

"...rusted on SM owners..."???

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Mon, May 27, 2019, 11:07 PM Bob Grey via Groups.Io <renaissanceiii=yahoo.com.au@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Lindy and John, I have owned my 55 for more than 4 years and 15000NM, I regularly sail Bass Strait, have crossed the Tasman and made the winter run to Far North Queensland, 3 times, I have not been disappointed once in those years. You will not be disappointed in the 55, there are 3 now in Australia, all should be at Hamilton Is regatta in 3 months.

Don’t listen to rusted on SM owners, all Amels are fantastic boats and have different sea characteristics, I personally like being able to sail to windward which is harder in the earlier boats and higher speeds at all points of the compass. 

The cabins are lighter and bigger and I have never thought there wasn’t enough storage.

Bob Grey
Renaissance III 
AMEL 55 #25




On Thursday, May 23, 2019, 10:55, Lindy & John Corrie <lindy.corrie@...> wrote:

we are considering purchasing an Amel 55 in Europe and would be very interested in feedback from owners. Our plan is to live onboard for extended periods & sail the boat back to Australia.
good & bad info is most welcome
thanks in advance 
Lindy

Re: Am I the only one so stupid?

ngtnewington Newington
 

Been there done that.
Nick
Amelia approaching south tip of  Sardinia. 
AML55-019


On 27 May 2019, at 00:16, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

We are also members of this club. We now set a timer when filling the water tank to remind us to check the progress. It is amazing how many times the timer goes off and we both suddenly sit up because we forgot the water is running.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arno Luijten
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 5:34 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Am I the only one so stupid?

 

All,

Our 54 has a major design flaw. Or it’s not protected against stupidity, take your pick.
Anyway I managed for the third time now to overflow the fresh water tank while refilling. The problem is that the water does not simply overflows through the filler cap. Instead it gushes out of the level meter pipe next to the companionway right into the main saloon bilge that has no drain. Oops.
Anyone else has the same problem?

Arno
SV Luna,
A54-121 

Re: Important - Amel 54 and any Electrical Emergency #IMPORTANT

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Arno,
You are quite correct. The schematics are inconsistent, and as you say the “General Overview” and “24V Circuit” don’t agree in a few areas, however they do both show the 24V alternator on the panel side of the isolator switches, which was Bill’s particular area of concern.

The obvious errors I can see are:

1. The 220V charging is shown as connected directly to the batteries on the Circuit page, but is shown on the other side of the isolator switches on the Overview page. Which is correct?

2. The main engine and generator starters are both shown on the 24v circuit in the Circuit page, I’m sure these operate from the 12v batteries as shown on the Overview page.

There are likely to be some other errors too. I have learned over the years to be wary of boat documentation and Amel documentation seems no different. 

Attached are the two pages for reference.

Cheers
Dean

Re: Water tank overfill, companionway ladder, galley sink drain hose

karkauai
 

Thank you James and Bill.  I’ll let you know how it goes.

 If it’s necessary to remove companionway ladder, does anyone know how to do that?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On May 27, 2019, at 2:23 PM, James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie@...> wrote:

Kent - 
I don’t know about your first qusetion…

Re. rotted companion way door support:  Mine was also rotten, and I didn’t know where it was until I took the companion way sliding door out of its track entirely.  I then fished out the rotten wood from the bottom of the companionway box with long graspers.  If you have a friend who does laparoscopic surgery, you can get a disposable pair of long laparoscopic graspers.  I find such an instrument incredibly useful on a regular basis for fishing parts out of deep crevices.  In this case, no need to take apart the steps.   I’m sure you could find some cheap graspers on ebay. 
I flushed out the box to ensure that there was no residual debris to prevent it from draining to the gray water sump.  

I fashioned a new support board out of marine plywood, which must be installed with the door installed back in the tracks (but clamped in an elevated position). 

Re. kinked reinforced hose:  I agree that the hose will be permanently kinked, and best to simply replace it if it is old in any case.    I ended up replacing the hoses under my galley sink - mostly because I noticed an odor emanating from that vicinity.  I’m glad I took it all apart, because it had probably not been cleaned out since it was installed 17 years ago.  Eliminating the foul black buildup in the galley plumbing resolved the smell issue. 

While I was at it, it was a perfect opportunity to install a removable faucet head at the galley sink.  Much easier to wash big pots now.

-James
Soteria
SM2K 347


On May 27, 2019, at 1:49 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

My experience is that once that reinforced hose is bent, it is bent.

I am watching here for some other reply.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 11:21 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I like the idea of an alarm on the float gauge!

I noticed that the last time I collected desalinated water in the bilge, I had stopped making water when it was reading 900 L on the gauge.  No water showed up until we were heeled over in a 6 ft sea.

When I clean the tanks again, I will watch the level as the gauge gets closer to full.  If it is inaccurate, how would you recalibrate it?  Can it be accessed without tearing the cabinetry and/or tank apart?

Also, the support for the companionway door has rotted and fallen down below the ladder.  Has anyone disassembled or removed the ladder?  Any advice?

Finally, there is quite a kink in the drain hose from the galley sink.  It hasn’t caused a problem, but I want to get it repositioned without the kink..  any advice here?  Is that the original hose?


Thanks,

Kent & Iris
S/V Kristy
karkauai@...
USA cell: 828-234-6819




Re: Jib Stay Guide inside Furler

Steven Bode - SV Intention 1994-SM#117
 

Thanks, Bill! 
I got a little confused about your terminology. I usually think of the "furler swivel" as the piece that connects to the head of the sail and is hauled up by the halyard. That said, your description roughly matches another respondent's comment that it goes in the top of the "furler gearbox". So, I'm assuming that these do not go into the "furler", the flat, round piece that is basically a large pulley that a line goes in for manual furling. These go into the top of the "furler gearbox". I'll soon see and post some pictures. 
-Bode

--
Steve Bode, Sailing Vessel Intention
Amel Super Maramu #117 (1994) 
Currently Drydocked at ANT Yat Servis
Bodrum Marina Bodrum, Turkey
+1 415-710-6659 voice/text/whatsapp
 

locked Re: AMEL 55

Davi Rozgonyi
 

From the few on here who I've met in real life, y'all know I'm not a confrontational person, nor would I slag off another boat, certainly not another Amel! We're all family here... I just stated my observations to someone who seemed to not have had the opportunity to compare the different models for living on board full time. If you spend 6 months on and six months off, maybe that is not the same situation as someone moving their entire home onto the boat. If you plan to have a home cruising ground vs traveling slowly away, that might be a different situation. If more hatches/windows and wider sterns make for a more seaworthy boat, maybe we have a difference of opinion. If you can stretch out on the port side bench, then banging your head on a mizzen is not really a worry anyway, but many times we sit on the same side because of weather, sun, or the view, so I'd sure miss it (also the fixed table would be problematic as my partners turn the cockpit into a dance floor from time to time). If you can indeed stuff a parasailor into the single bow locker while also accessing other items within it, then I stand corrected, but I will stand so between my twin, if smaller bow lockers, able to reach all my other goodies without pulling the darn thing out :) 

Oh, for the OP, I forgot to add that I was also surprised that the 55 has only 4 cleats per side, the SM has 7 (5 cleats proper, 2 attachment points thru toerails which are in a great spot for holding the dinghy alongside) plus that 1 monster cleat on the center at the bow on SMs that don't seem to come on a 55 because of the twin windlasses. Also missing are the handy-dandy welded Ds under each stanchion (they're great for attaching blocks for various things like lines from a dinghy davit to a winch), as well as a side mounted boarding ladder which, if you do much diving, you'll know is quite a bit safer getting in and out unless you're sailing in a mill pond. Little features missing that surprised me. 

Again, not saying the 55s aren't absolutely gorgeous boats worth every penny if that's the boat you're looking for or have, and I'm sure in a race it would spank me until my mom was crying. But I do not believe Amel went in the direction of full time liveaboard circumnavigating type of sailors with their newer models, full stop. Which was what I interpreted the OP as wanting.

Re: Vetus Flexi coupling

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul. Answer to your forst question. Appropriate tightness for the bolt size. that is "as much as it will take" If they are loose you should check the condition of the rubber bushes unless you have done so recently. This will require moving the motor back. Fortunately an easy, fish hook free, operation thanks to the Amel girders that the motor sits on. I have seen some owners make a big deal out of this. It is not.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 28 May 2019 at 05:23 Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

Hello!
I found several lose nuts on my Vetus flexi couplig,
How hard shall they be torqued? I do not need Nm, but like Firm, Hard or super hard?. is it OK to put the engine in gear to have something firm to torque against else difficult to prevent the coupling from rotating 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259

locked Re: AMEL 55

Bob Grey
 

Hi Lindy and John, I have owned my 55 for more than 4 years and 15000NM, I regularly sail Bass Strait, have crossed the Tasman and made the winter run to Far North Queensland, 3 times, I have not been disappointed once in those years. You will not be disappointed in the 55, there are 3 now in Australia, all should be at Hamilton Is regatta in 3 months.

Don’t listen to rusted on SM owners, all Amels are fantastic boats and have different sea characteristics, I personally like being able to sail to windward which is harder in the earlier boats and higher speeds at all points of the compass. 

The cabins are lighter and bigger and I have never thought there wasn’t enough storage.

Bob Grey
Renaissance III 
AMEL 55 #25




On Thursday, May 23, 2019, 10:55, Lindy & John Corrie <lindy.corrie@...> wrote:

we are considering purchasing an Amel 55 in Europe and would be very interested in feedback from owners. Our plan is to live onboard for extended periods & sail the boat back to Australia.
good & bad info is most welcome
thanks in advance 
Lindy

Re: Cracks on Keel - Amel Super Maramu (1997)

Jarek Zemlo
 

Bill,

Hull number is 200 (name "Parsifal"). Boat is on the dry in Port Napoleon, Saint Louis near Marseille. 
Best regards
--
Jarek Zemlo

Re: Water tank overfill, companionway ladder, galley sink drain hose

James Cromie
 

Kent - 
I don’t know about your first qusetion…

Re. rotted companion way door support:  Mine was also rotten, and I didn’t know where it was until I took the companion way sliding door out of its track entirely.  I then fished out the rotten wood from the bottom of the companionway box with long graspers.  If you have a friend who does laparoscopic surgery, you can get a disposable pair of long laparoscopic graspers.  I find such an instrument incredibly useful on a regular basis for fishing parts out of deep crevices.  In this case, no need to take apart the steps.   I’m sure you could find some cheap graspers on ebay. 
I flushed out the box to ensure that there was no residual debris to prevent it from draining to the gray water sump.  

I fashioned a new support board out of marine plywood, which must be installed with the door installed back in the tracks (but clamped in an elevated position). 

Re. kinked reinforced hose:  I agree that the hose will be permanently kinked, and best to simply replace it if it is old in any case.    I ended up replacing the hoses under my galley sink - mostly because I noticed an odor emanating from that vicinity.  I’m glad I took it all apart, because it had probably not been cleaned out since it was installed 17 years ago.  Eliminating the foul black buildup in the galley plumbing resolved the smell issue. 

While I was at it, it was a perfect opportunity to install a removable faucet head at the galley sink.  Much easier to wash big pots now.

-James
Soteria
SM2K 347


On May 27, 2019, at 1:49 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

My experience is that once that reinforced hose is bent, it is bent.

I am watching here for some other reply.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 11:21 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I like the idea of an alarm on the float gauge!

I noticed that the last time I collected desalinated water in the bilge, I had stopped making water when it was reading 900 L on the gauge.  No water showed up until we were heeled over in a 6 ft sea.

When I clean the tanks again, I will watch the level as the gauge gets closer to full.  If it is inaccurate, how would you recalibrate it?  Can it be accessed without tearing the cabinetry and/or tank apart?

Also, the support for the companionway door has rotted and fallen down below the ladder.  Has anyone disassembled or removed the ladder?  Any advice?

Finally, there is quite a kink in the drain hose from the galley sink.  It hasn’t caused a problem, but I want to get it repositioned without the kink..  any advice here?  Is that the original hose?


Thanks,

Kent & Iris
S/V Kristy
karkauai@...
USA cell: 828-234-6819




Re: Water tank overfill, companionway ladder, galley sink drain hose

 

My experience is that once that reinforced hose is bent, it is bent.

I am watching here for some other reply.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 11:21 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I like the idea of an alarm on the float gauge!

I noticed that the last time I collected desalinated water in the bilge, I had stopped making water when it was reading 900 L on the gauge.  No water showed up until we were heeled over in a 6 ft sea.

When I clean the tanks again, I will watch the level as the gauge gets closer to full.  If it is inaccurate, how would you recalibrate it?  Can it be accessed without tearing the cabinetry and/or tank apart?

Also, the support for the companionway door has rotted and fallen down below the ladder.  Has anyone disassembled or removed the ladder?  Any advice?

Finally, there is quite a kink in the drain hose from the galley sink.  It hasn’t caused a problem, but I want to get it repositioned without the kink..  any advice here?  Is that the original hose?


Thanks,

Kent & Iris
S/V Kristy
karkauai@...
USA cell: 828-234-6819



Vetus Flexi coupling

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!
I found several lose nuts on my Vetus flexi couplig,
How hard shall they be torqued? I do not need Nm, but like Firm, Hard or super hard?. is it OK to put the engine in gear to have something firm to torque against else difficult to prevent the coupling from rotating 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259

Re: Volvo D3-110 belt changes

Theo s/v Paloma
 

Thank you Bill.

I can't wait to spend time on our 50 in the Med.
The 60 looks very nice and big! I will probably see it next week at the factory.

Theo
s/v Paloma, Amel 50 #18

Water tank overfill, companionway ladder, galley sink drain hose

karkauai
 

I like the idea of an alarm on the float gauge!

I noticed that the last time I collected desalinated water in the bilge, I had stopped making water when it was reading 900 L on the gauge. No water showed up until we were heeled over in a 6 ft sea.

When I clean the tanks again, I will watch the level as the gauge gets closer to full. If it is inaccurate, how would you recalibrate it? Can it be accessed without tearing the cabinetry and/or tank apart?

Also, the support for the companionway door has rotted and fallen down below the ladder. Has anyone disassembled or removed the ladder? Any advice?

Finally, there is quite a kink in the drain hose from the galley sink. It hasn’t caused a problem, but I want to get it repositioned without the kink.. any advice here? Is that the original hose?


Thanks,

Kent & Iris
S/V Kristy
karkauai@...
USA cell: 828-234-6819

Re: Volvo D3-110 belt changes

 

Theo, 

The way it was previously (might have changed): Volvo ships the engine to Volvo France where Amel-specific modifications are made. Then Volvo France ships it to Amel.

Have fun with your 50. I can't wait to test a 60!

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 10:24 AM s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:
Bill,

My engine is D3-110I-H. The picture I posted is of my engine while it was still on the crate. I am guessing that is the way it came from the Volvo factory.

Theo
s/v Paloma, Amel 50 #18