On 29 May 2019 at 22:47 "Craig Briggs via Groups.Io" <sangaris@...> wrote:

Paul, 
Surprising the nylocs loosened - maybe nylocs AND locktite with a little bubble gum ;-)
Btw, for leverage when tightening, I use a long screwdriver under the coupling and over one of the bolts on the opposite side of the one I'm tightening. Have also used a chain wrench. Left the transmission in gear just to stabilize it a bit, but took most of the force with the screwdriver.
Don't recall the exact bolt size, but you can google the torque - M8 Class 10.9 for example is 40 Nm. 
Cheers, Craig, SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor 

On 30 May 2019 at 07:22 Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Dave,

If you need to reduce the size of carbon brushes it is easily and accurately achieved with a file.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 30 May 2019 at 06:31 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Dave and Shelley,

There are at least 5-6 different Mainmast furling and outhaul motors tat have been used by Amel over the years. Additionally there are 12 volt (like yours) and 24 volt.

I suspect that even SAV at Amel cannot answer your question, except to say, "NO, the brushes are not the same."

I saw the slightly smaller brush used successfully by SM233 Iteration. Normally I would record the source of that brush as one to refer to my clients. I did not because I believe at some point that smaller width brush will cause a problem when it wears and the length becomes shorter. I may be wrong, and I am sure that only multiple experiences over time will prove me right or wrong.

One thing for sure is that you can always buy a larger electric motor brush and cut it to size. This is the safe solution. You may have to take the larger brush to a machine shop to have it cut.

Best,

Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St.

Galveston, Texas 77550

832-380-4970

My Calendar  

Yacht School

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 1:20 PM < davidcbruce57@...> wrote:

Thanks for this sourcing information Kelly and Ryan.  

 Would anyone (Bill?) know if the brushes on all furling motors on a given boat as well as those on different model boats such as SM and SN are the same?    

Thanks, 

Dave and Shelley Bruce

Liesse, SN006 

Gaeta, Italy 

On May 28, 2019, at 3:48 PM, Kelly Ran < naryllek@...> wrote:

Hi all,

We recently needed to change the brushes on our main furling motor (Leroy Somer MBT86M).

I found an 8mm x 10mm x 17mm brush which works for us, so far. Unsure of the material but it looks similar to electrographite.

It seems that other owners have issues sourcing this brush, so here is the info:

Eurton Electric  SPR-A007  

7.50USD, ships from California

We also found that Maude has some slightly different brushes (8mm x 9mm x 16mm) in stock right now for 24 Euros. We did not order these, as the Eurton brushes work.

Fair winds,

kelly + ryan

SM233 Iteration

Boston

 

 

On 30 May 2019 at 06:31 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Dave and Shelley,

There are at least 5-6 different Mainmast furling and outhaul motors tat have been used by Amel over the years. Additionally there are 12 volt (like yours) and 24 volt.

I suspect that even SAV at Amel cannot answer your question, except to say, "NO, the brushes are not the same."

I saw the slightly smaller brush used successfully by SM233 Iteration. Normally I would record the source of that brush as one to refer to my clients. I did not because I believe at some point that smaller width brush will cause a problem when it wears and the length becomes shorter. I may be wrong, and I am sure that only multiple experiences over time will prove me right or wrong.

One thing for sure is that you can always buy a larger electric motor brush and cut it to size. This is the safe solution. You may have to take the larger brush to a machine shop to have it cut.

Best,

Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St.

Galveston, Texas 77550

832-380-4970

My Calendar  

Yacht School

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 1:20 PM < davidcbruce57@...> wrote:

Thanks for this sourcing information Kelly and Ryan.  

 Would anyone (Bill?) know if the brushes on all furling motors on a given boat as well as those on different model boats such as SM and SN are the same?    

Thanks, 

Dave and Shelley Bruce

Liesse, SN006 

Gaeta, Italy 

On May 28, 2019, at 3:48 PM, Kelly Ran < naryllek@...> wrote:

Hi all,

We recently needed to change the brushes on our main furling motor (Leroy Somer MBT86M).

I found an 8mm x 10mm x 17mm brush which works for us, so far. Unsure of the material but it looks similar to electrographite.

It seems that other owners have issues sourcing this brush, so here is the info:

Eurton Electric  SPR-A007  

7.50USD, ships from California

We also found that Maude has some slightly different brushes (8mm x 9mm x 16mm) in stock right now for 24 Euros. We did not order these, as the Eurton brushes work.

Fair winds,

kelly + ryan

SM233 Iteration

Boston

 

 

On May 28, 2019, at 3:48 PM, Kelly Ran <naryllek@...> wrote:

Hi all,

We recently needed to change the brushes on our main furling motor (Leroy Somer MBT86M).

I found an 8mm x 10mm x 17mm brush which works for us, so far. Unsure of the material but it looks similar to electrographite.

It seems that other owners have issues sourcing this brush, so here is the info:

Eurton Electric SPR-A007  

7.50USD, ships from California

We also found that Maude has some slightly different brushes (8mm x 9mm x 16mm) in stock right now for 24 Euros. We did not order these, as the Eurton brushes work.

Fair winds,

kelly + ryan

SM233 Iteration

Boston

On May 29, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Gerald Bassin <gerald.bassin@spamfree.ch> wrote:

Quite right James
The issue here, is to get clear of the genoa forestay,motor and top swivel.
Then you have the pulpit to worry about with your downhaul...

and for Paul's question: would I do it again...?
well in the Med I used that sail quite a lot... not so in the Caribbean eventhough on the lee side of some island with light winds we just keep moving...

So I'm not quite sure as we had lots of problems before we got a working system...


Just have to pay attention when getting close to the channels and furl the anaconda in due time...

Rgrds to all

G
....
So why not use the ballooner without forestay then?


On 29/05/2019 17:21, James Cromie via Groups.Io wrote:

Thanks for the info. on your rig Gerald. Do you believe that the
top-down furler could be attached to the anchor point just above the
anchor in the pulpit and avoid using a bow sprit? If you did this, I
imagine you might need to elevate the furler mechanism with a 2:1
adjustable downhaul so that it could be raised to allow adequate
clearance from the gearbox housing.
Thanks,
James

On May 29, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Gerald Bassin <gerald.bassin@spamfree.ch> wrote:
Hi Paul
Here a few pics.
The bow sprit is a standard Selden product.
The "horse shoe" front attachement was custom made in Antigua after the Selden bolts of the original attachement broke during the Atlantic crossing (of course withe the sail up! but I confirm, the pullpit is solid and averted more damage).The Selden design does not allow for a lot of side forces I think.
The tail end box was also custom made in France to get the proper angle. It's basically a stainlesssteel box.
We have a port and a starbord halyard in order to clear the genoa top swivel. Huge chaffing problems before we arrived at that solution.
It is still possible to open the stbd lazarette and if we disconnect the aft end of the bow sprit, the acces to the cleat is granted.
The whole thing slides back out quite easily ro reduce LOA!!
The code D is attached to an anti torsion forestay so when it's rolled you have a kind of Anaconda which you can store in a 5-6ft sail bag.
Unfortunately during our last 4 season in the Caribbean (Dec-May), the wind was often to strong or from the wrong direction to use it...
Here also a link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7nPSdkYP98
Feel free to ask more questions !
Rgrds
Gerald
On 29/05/2019 14:04, Paul Osterberg wrote:

Gerald looks great
Do you have any pictures on the bow sprit? Who made it? We also want a
detachable, else one has to pay for it each time hauling out.
When the code D is furled how much space does it take? is it easy to
find storage for it?
assume you diesel consumption reduced since you got it?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259
Links:
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[1] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/message/45978
[2] https://groups.io/mt/31824213/1768002
[3] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/post
[4] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/editsub/1768002
[5] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged

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Thanks for the info. on your rig Gerald. Do you believe that the
top-down furler could be attached to the anchor point just above the
anchor in the pulpit and avoid using a bow sprit? If you did this, I
imagine you might need to elevate the furler mechanism with a 2:1
adjustable downhaul so that it could be raised to allow adequate
clearance from the gearbox housing.
Thanks,
James

On May 29, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Gerald Bassin <gerald.bassin@spamfree.ch> wrote:
Hi Paul
Here a few pics.
The bow sprit is a standard Selden product.
The "horse shoe" front attachement was custom made in Antigua after the Selden bolts of the original attachement broke during the Atlantic crossing (of course withe the sail up! but I confirm, the pullpit is solid and averted more damage).The Selden design does not allow for a lot of side forces I think.
The tail end box was also custom made in France to get the proper angle. It's basically a stainlesssteel box.
We have a port and a starbord halyard in order to clear the genoa top swivel. Huge chaffing problems before we arrived at that solution.
It is still possible to open the stbd lazarette and if we disconnect the aft end of the bow sprit, the acces to the cleat is granted.
The whole thing slides back out quite easily ro reduce LOA!!
The code D is attached to an anti torsion forestay so when it's rolled you have a kind of Anaconda which you can store in a 5-6ft sail bag.
Unfortunately during our last 4 season in the Caribbean (Dec-May), the wind was often to strong or from the wrong direction to use it...
Here also a link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7nPSdkYP98
Feel free to ask more questions !
Rgrds
Gerald
On 29/05/2019 14:04, Paul Osterberg wrote:

Gerald looks great
Do you have any pictures on the bow sprit? Who made it? We also want a
detachable, else one has to pay for it each time hauling out.
When the code D is furled how much space does it take? is it easy to
find storage for it?
assume you diesel consumption reduced since you got it?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259
Links:
------
[1] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/message/45978
[2] https://groups.io/mt/31824213/1768002
[3] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/post
[4] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/editsub/1768002
[5] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged

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On May 29, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Gerald Bassin <gerald.bassin@spamfree.ch> wrote:

Hi Paul

Here a few pics.
The bow sprit is a standard Selden product.

The "horse shoe" front attachement was custom made in Antigua after the Selden bolts of the original attachement broke during the Atlantic crossing (of course withe the sail up! but I confirm, the pullpit is solid and averted more damage).The Selden design does not allow for a lot of side forces I think.

The tail end box was also custom made in France to get the proper angle. It's basically a stainlesssteel box.

We have a port and a starbord halyard in order to clear the genoa top swivel. Huge chaffing problems before we arrived at that solution.

It is still possible to open the stbd lazarette and if we disconnect the aft end of the bow sprit, the acces to the cleat is granted.

The whole thing slides back out quite easily ro reduce LOA!!

The code D is attached to an anti torsion forestay so when it's rolled you have a kind of Anaconda which you can store in a 5-6ft sail bag.

Unfortunately during our last 4 season in the Caribbean (Dec-May), the wind was often to strong or from the wrong direction to use it...

Here also a link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7nPSdkYP98

Feel free to ask more questions !

Rgrds

Gerald



On 29/05/2019 14:04, Paul Osterberg wrote:

Gerald looks great
Do you have any pictures on the bow sprit? Who made it? We also want a
detachable, else one has to pay for it each time hauling out.
When the code D is furled how much space does it take? is it easy to
find storage for it?
assume you diesel consumption reduced since you got it?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259
Links:
------
[1] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/message/45978
[2] https://groups.io/mt/31824213/1768002
[3] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/post
[4] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/editsub/1768002
[5] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged

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On May 29, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Gerald Bassin <gerald.bassin@spamfree.ch> wrote:

Hi Paul

Here a few pics.
The bow sprit is a standard Selden product.

The "horse shoe" front attachement was custom made in Antigua after the Selden bolts of the original attachement broke during the Atlantic crossing (of course withe the sail up! but I confirm, the pullpit is solid and averted more damage).The Selden design does not allow for a lot of side forces I think.

The tail end box was also custom made in France to get the proper angle. It's basically a stainlesssteel box.

We have a port and a starbord halyard in order to clear the genoa top swivel. Huge chaffing problems before we arrived at that solution.

It is still possible to open the stbd lazarette and if we disconnect the aft end of the bow sprit, the acces to the cleat is granted.

The whole thing slides back out quite easily ro reduce LOA!!

The code D is attached to an anti torsion forestay so when it's rolled you have a kind of Anaconda which you can store in a 5-6ft sail bag.

Unfortunately during our last 4 season in the Caribbean (Dec-May), the wind was often to strong or from the wrong direction to use it...

Here also a link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7nPSdkYP98

Feel free to ask more questions !

Rgrds

Gerald



On 29/05/2019 14:04, Paul Osterberg wrote:

Gerald looks great
Do you have any pictures on the bow sprit? Who made it? We also want a
detachable, else one has to pay for it each time hauling out.
When the code D is furled how much space does it take? is it easy to
find storage for it?
assume you diesel consumption reduced since you got it?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259
Links:
------
[1] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/message/45978
[2] https://groups.io/mt/31824213/1768002
[3] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/post
[4] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/editsub/1768002
[5] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged

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Gerald looks great
Do you have any pictures on the bow sprit? Who made it? We also want a
detachable, else one has to pay for it each time hauling out.
When the code D is furled how much space does it take? is it easy to
find storage for it?
assume you diesel consumption reduced since you got it?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259
Links:
------
[1] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/message/45978
[2] https://groups.io/mt/31824213/1768002
[3] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/post
[4] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/editsub/1768002
[5] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged

I have thought of buying a Code Zero or general purpose genacker on a furler, Not to substitute the Baloner concept, which I think is superior down wind system for a smal crew, we run the twin head sail i.e. balooner for about a week on our Atlantic crossing east to west. We were lucky only a few squalls, but easy for one person to furl the twin head sail and unfurl when the squall is gone.  We think it is possible to run the twin head sail about +/-25 degree of dead down wind. But when light apparent wind from 90 to 145 degree I think a Code Zero on a furler would be an option, I would prefer to have it on a bow sprit to get it forward of the pulpit and a bit larger, but it will be a solution making big holes in my pocket. During This season, it is only on our voyage between Bahamas and Bermuda we missed such sail, but as we plan to go to the Pacific I think we might have more us of it there.

Paul on SY Kerpa AM#259 Bermuda

 

Hi Ken,

Was the mainsheet on the boom rigged correctly to start with? It is hard to
tell on the video but it looks as though it was the forward thingy under the
boom that broke. We were warned when we purchased Cream Puff that only the
middle under-the-boom-thingy was designed to take the loads required.


Nice video!


With best regards,

Mark

Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Panama
www.creampuff.us

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 3:11 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Genoa Fair Leads

Hello,

I had to do this, and filmed it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_XB5qfptqQ

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K #262


On 5/25/19, Capt. Steve Bode <whatsup@svintention.com> wrote:

Hey, Group.

What's the latest best answer on replacing the Genoa Fair Leads? My
springs
are broken, one wheel is chipped. Tried taking it apart, but can't figure
out how to get the pin out of the center once the eye bolts are removed.
Is
that center bar screwed in? At $750 a piece online, I'm not jazzed about
replacing the whole car.
Replacement car without extra hardware needed to adapt to Amel lead
system:
https://allpa-marine.com/antal-aluminum-stainless-steel-genua-maxi-car-40x8-with-sliding-inserts-172x60x166mm-lxwxh-weight-1-94kg-swl-safe-working-load-4800kg.html

Tags: Genoa Fair Lead, Genoa Track, Jib Car Lead, Jib fairlead, Genoa
Fairlead, Foresail Track


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