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Re: Stuffing box drainage path

karkauai
 

Thanks Danny.  I’ve tried that and if I twist into a pretzel and stand on my head I can get most of it on the starboard side, but not even close on the port side.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jun 8, 2019, at 3:50 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Kent,

I have a paddle wheel speed transducer that I swap for a blank when I leave the boat on the mooring to avoid it getting clogged up with marine growth. The swap always results in a few litres of water. I have a large sponge I use to mop it up and transfer it to the shower drain. A long arm on that sponge might reach behind the stringer, or if the arm is too short, extend it by tying  the sponge to a stick.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 09 June 2019 at 05:14 "karkauai via Groups.Io" <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,
If it’s leaking when we set out, I fix it.  If it starts leaking while on passage, (and it has done this twice in 10 years), I’ve just kept an eye on it until I get to port.  Both times it wasn’t a lot of water, but enough that I pumped it into the shower when it got to be a few liters..  that was still enough to get some outboard of the stringers when close-hauled.  Once in port I do the seal changes.

If anyone has ideas about how to remove the water that gets outboard of the stringers, I’m all ears.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243


On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:00 AM, karkauai via Groups.Io < karkauai@...> wrote:

Thanks Mark.  I guess they drilled through the shower pan into the space below?  I have an alarm but have to pump by hand or with a 24v hand-held Pump.  So far the worst it’s been was 3-4 liters that collect in a couple of places that I can get to.  Some water collects outboard of the stringers if we’re heeled over, and there’s no way to get it out. I’d like to collect it in the forward cabin just aft of the bow thruster and pipe it directly into the drainage system that drains the forward AC condensate.
Has anyone tried that?
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:52 PM, Mark Erdos < mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

I think Cream Puff was retrofitted. We have a pump in the area that collects water from the leaking bow-thruster area connected to a sensor and alarm. When the sensor kicks in the alarm sounds and the pump automatically pumps the water into the forward head shower pan that obviously makes its way to the bilge. The alarm can be silenced for those trips when the bow thruster seriously need new seals.

 

I particularly like this set up because no modification was made to the watertight bulkhead.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 7:09 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path

 

Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy

USA cell: 828-234-6819


On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA


 



 


 
Re: Stuffing box drainage path

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent,

I have a paddle wheel speed transducer that I swap for a blank when I leave the boat on the mooring to avoid it getting clogged up with marine growth. The swap always results in a few litres of water. I have a large sponge I use to mop it up and transfer it to the shower drain. A long arm on that sponge might reach behind the stringer, or if the arm is too short, extend it by tying  the sponge to a stick.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 09 June 2019 at 05:14 "karkauai via Groups.Io" <karkauai@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,
If it’s leaking when we set out, I fix it.  If it starts leaking while on passage, (and it has done this twice in 10 years), I’ve just kept an eye on it until I get to port.  Both times it wasn’t a lot of water, but enough that I pumped it into the shower when it got to be a few liters..  that was still enough to get some outboard of the stringers when close-hauled.  Once in port I do the seal changes.

If anyone has ideas about how to remove the water that gets outboard of the stringers, I’m all ears.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243


On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:00 AM, karkauai via Groups.Io < karkauai@...> wrote:

Thanks Mark.  I guess they drilled through the shower pan into the space below?  I have an alarm but have to pump by hand or with a 24v hand-held Pump.  So far the worst it’s been was 3-4 liters that collect in a couple of places that I can get to.  Some water collects outboard of the stringers if we’re heeled over, and there’s no way to get it out. I’d like to collect it in the forward cabin just aft of the bow thruster and pipe it directly into the drainage system that drains the forward AC condensate.
Has anyone tried that?
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:52 PM, Mark Erdos < mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

I think Cream Puff was retrofitted. We have a pump in the area that collects water from the leaking bow-thruster area connected to a sensor and alarm. When the sensor kicks in the alarm sounds and the pump automatically pumps the water into the forward head shower pan that obviously makes its way to the bilge. The alarm can be silenced for those trips when the bow thruster seriously need new seals.

 

I particularly like this set up because no modification was made to the watertight bulkhead.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 7:09 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path

 

Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy

USA cell: 828-234-6819


On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA


 



 


 
Re: Stuffing box drainage path

karkauai
 

Hi Danny,
If it’s leaking when we set out, I fix it.  If it starts leaking while on passage, (and it has done this twice in 10 years), I’ve just kept an eye on it until I get to port.  Both times it wasn’t a lot of water, but enough that I pumped it into the shower when it got to be a few liters..  that was still enough to get some outboard of the stringers when close-hauled.  Once in port I do the seal changes.

If anyone has ideas about how to remove the water that gets outboard of the stringers, I’m all ears.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243


On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:00 AM, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...> wrote:

Thanks Mark.  I guess they drilled through the shower pan into the space below?  I have an alarm but have to pump by hand or with a 24v hand-held Pump.  So far the worst it’s been was 3-4 liters that collect in a couple of places that I can get to.  Some water collects outboard of the stringers if we’re heeled over, and there’s no way to get it out. I’d like to collect it in the forward cabin just aft of the bow thruster and pipe it directly into the drainage system that drains the forward AC condensate.
Has anyone tried that?
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:52 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

I think Cream Puff was retrofitted. We have a pump in the area that collects water from the leaking bow-thruster area connected to a sensor and alarm. When the sensor kicks in the alarm sounds and the pump automatically pumps the water into the forward head shower pan that obviously makes its way to the bilge. The alarm can be silenced for those trips when the bow thruster seriously need new seals.

 

I particularly like this set up because no modification was made to the watertight bulkhead.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 7:09 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path

 

Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy

USA cell: 828-234-6819


On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA
Re: Stuffing box drainage path

karkauai
 

Sounds good, Bill.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jun 7, 2019, at 10:06 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Kent,

Let's add this to our agenda when we meet on your boat in July.

An identical retrofit would be difficult, but I've got an idea and a plan, which doesn't include pumps or bulkhead modifications. We can possibly do the modifications while I am there, then share it with everyone. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 6:09 PM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:
My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA
Re: Stuffing box drainage path

karkauai
 

Thanks Mark.  I guess they drilled through the shower pan into the space below?  I have an alarm but have to pump by hand or with a 24v hand-held Pump.  So far the worst it’s been was 3-4 liters that collect in a couple of places that I can get to.  Some water collects outboard of the stringers if we’re heeled over, and there’s no way to get it out. I’d like to collect it in the forward cabin just aft of the bow thruster and pipe it directly into the drainage system that drains the forward AC condensate.
Has anyone tried that?
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:52 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

I think Cream Puff was retrofitted. We have a pump in the area that collects water from the leaking bow-thruster area connected to a sensor and alarm. When the sensor kicks in the alarm sounds and the pump automatically pumps the water into the forward head shower pan that obviously makes its way to the bilge. The alarm can be silenced for those trips when the bow thruster seriously need new seals.

 

I particularly like this set up because no modification was made to the watertight bulkhead.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 7:09 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path

 

Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy

USA cell: 828-234-6819


On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA
Re: Stuffing box drainage path

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

 Craig & Kathrine,

Can't say if you've guessed right--my lips are as sealed as our stuffing box......

Ian

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...>
Sent: 08 June 2019 10:26
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path
 
Judy & Ian -
Let me guess: It's the same answer I give when people ask if I've been sailing all my life ......, "Not Yet!"
Cheers, Craig & Katherine, SN68 Sangaris

Re: Stuffing box drainage path

Craig Briggs
 

Judy & Ian -
Let me guess: It's the same answer I give when people ask if I've been sailing all my life ......, "Not Yet!"
Cheers, Craig & Katherine, SN68 Sangaris
Re: Stuffing box drainage path

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

 Guys AND Gals,    ( Gotta get that right as the admiral on Pen Azen is female),

I share Danny's surprise, but maybe we are just lucky.  We have had water through the bow thruster but only when we have waited too long between changing the foam seals. We've just been through a big bash to windward when we had to motor sail into heavy seas---not a drop came in.  To be fair, we rarely use our bow thruster, as once we are afloat we prefer to live at anchor.

 As to the rudder stuffing box, I will have to leave you to guess if a drop has ever  come through in 19 years and nearly 65,000 miles, because my admiral is really superstitious and if I spelt out the answer she would hit me over the head with the anchor for tempting fate.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...>
Sent: 08 June 2019 07:20
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path
 

Hi guys

 I am staggered at the equanimity with which you accept water ingress. At the first sign of seepage around either the bow thruster or the rudder shaft I fix it. If there is a biannual replacement of the thruster foam seals  an at sea change of the upper seal does it and likewise the stuffing box is a easy at sea fix. Regular maintenance of both reduces the chance of needing to do it at sea.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 08 June 2019 at 12:52 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

I think Cream Puff was retrofitted. We have a pump in the area that collects water from the leaking bow-thruster area connected to a sensor and alarm. When the sensor kicks in the alarm sounds and the pump automatically pumps the water into the forward head shower pan that obviously makes its way to the bilge. The alarm can be silenced for those trips when the bow thruster seriously need new seals.

 

I particularly like this set up because no modification was made to the watertight bulkhead.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 7:09 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path

 

Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy

USA cell: 828-234-6819


On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA


 



 


 
Re: Stuffing box drainage path

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi guys

 I am staggered at the equanimity with which you accept water ingress. At the first sign of seepage around either the bow thruster or the rudder shaft I fix it. If there is a biannual replacement of the thruster foam seals  an at sea change of the upper seal does it and likewise the stuffing box is a easy at sea fix. Regular maintenance of both reduces the chance of needing to do it at sea.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 08 June 2019 at 12:52 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Kent,

 

I think Cream Puff was retrofitted. We have a pump in the area that collects water from the leaking bow-thruster area connected to a sensor and alarm. When the sensor kicks in the alarm sounds and the pump automatically pumps the water into the forward head shower pan that obviously makes its way to the bilge. The alarm can be silenced for those trips when the bow thruster seriously need new seals.

 

I particularly like this set up because no modification was made to the watertight bulkhead.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 7:09 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path

 

Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy

USA cell: 828-234-6819


On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA


 



 


 
Re: Stuffing box drainage path

CW Bill Rouse
 

Kent,

Let's add this to our agenda when we meet on your boat in July.

An identical retrofit would be difficult, but I've got an idea and a plan, which doesn't include pumps or bulkhead modifications. We can possibly do the modifications while I am there, then share it with everyone. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 6:09 PM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:
My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA
Re: Stuffing box drainage path

Mark Erdos
 

Kent,

 

I think Cream Puff was retrofitted. We have a pump in the area that collects water from the leaking bow-thruster area connected to a sensor and alarm. When the sensor kicks in the alarm sounds and the pump automatically pumps the water into the forward head shower pan that obviously makes its way to the bilge. The alarm can be silenced for those trips when the bow thruster seriously need new seals.

 

I particularly like this set up because no modification was made to the watertight bulkhead.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 7:09 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path

 

Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy

USA cell: 828-234-6819


On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA
Re: Stuffing box drainage path

John Clark
 

This is a mod that I want to do for Annie, SM 37.  I think a water indicator alarm would be a prudent addition to the water capture mod.


On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 8:11 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Gary 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:
My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA
Re: Stuffing box drainage path

karkauai
 

Can that change be retrofitted to a 1999 SM?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:11 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Gary 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:
My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA
Re: Dishwasher

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hi,
We got Dometic DW2435 on our Amel 54

Regards Oliver from Vela Nautica
Faro Algarve Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


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Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Dishwasher
From: "Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io"
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
CC:


[Edited Message Follows]

I did not get the dishwasher option but am reconsidering.   It is the Bosch SKR 5102.  Anyone have experience with this dishwasher?  I assume it’s the same on the 54?  I understand you cannot run it over the inverter - shore power or genset only.  Many thanks!!  

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53
Kincsem

Re: Watermaker

rossirossix4
 

Hi Michael,
Valved manifolds are a great idea.  We have a ball valve between the Dessalator feed  and the manifold (don't know if all SMs do) and that is useful for 2 reasons--1) when you flush the Dessalator water will push back out that hose.  The ball valve can be shut and this prevents salt water from sitting in that hose or entering it when the manifold is supplying salt water for other things such as toilets. 2) IF you have a leak in the 3 way fresh water flush valve for the Dessalator AND your ball valve to the strainer is closed, that leak will eventually push water into the lift muffler and will rise up through the exhaust loop and can flood your generator (its loop is lower than the Yanmar/Volvo).  This has happened to at least 2 Amel owners that I know.  Having the supply from the manifold to the Dessalator closed is additional insurance that this will not happen.

A couple of months ago we were in the Amel Center in Le Marin and saw these manifolds---which they were fabricating for an Amel 54....Albon told me they could supply for an SM as well.  Didier also talked about installing a valved manifold.  https://photos.app.goo.gl/pjai3vDYRTAg3kbT9

Bob, KAIMI
Re: Standing rigging on 54

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hi guys,
So u change only the reenfoced ones or all?
How much is the stays from ACMO?

OLIVER from Vela Nautica in Portugal

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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Standing rigging on 54
From: Roque
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:


Hi Nick

I just got my new rigging from ACMO and it is a straight swap. 

That means the pin for the new 12mm wire, that replaces the current 10mm, is thinner than the others 12 mm wires pins. I  don’t know if they made them stronger. 

You will also notice that since the new toggle  is bigger, some “filling” may be needed. See  pics.  

Rgds 

Roque
Attika A54 117
Paraty- Rio de Janeiro. 


Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 06:19, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> escreveu:
Thanks guys, it looks like if I order from ACMO then it is a straight swap. So that is what I will do.
I have thought hard about all this and at the end of the day I do not want to have that niggling feeling that my rigging is not up to it on a dark stormy night!
Nick
> On 7 Jun 2019, at 11:42, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Nick;
>
> We are currently going though the same process and we have just released the order to ACMO.
>
> If ordered from ACMO, you will receive the entire parts required for the upgrade. This includes a “stronger” pin, as ACMO puts it, the turn buckles and threaded eye. I just again reconfirmed this with ACMO. If you look at your connections at the chain plates, the parts have an ACMO stamp on them.
>
> Therefore according to ACMO, no other parts will be necessary, it is just a matter of removing the existing shrouds and installing new.
>
> I will provide an update if we find anything that contradicts this during the install.
>
> Respectfully;
>
>
> Mohammad & Aty
> B&B Kokomo
> Amel 54 #099
>
>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 7:27 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Further to the news that the Amel 54 should have 12mm aft lowers not 10mm and that the intermediates should be beefed up from 8mm to 10mm. I am now seriously working this out.
>> On the face of it I can order the replacement wire and fittings from ACMO in France and have it a week later. What worries me is that the pin sizes will increase (I guess)
>> This should be no problem at the bottom where there is a massive chainplate that I could drill out to accept the bigger pins but at the top at the spreader bases it will be tricky.
>> Has anyone been there and done this project?
>> What about sticking to 8mm and 10 mm but upgrading the wire quality to say Dyform? Dyform offers about 30% more strength than standard 1x19?
>> Any experts out there?
>> Nick
>> S/Y Amelia AML54-019
>> Anchored in Kefalonia enjoying easy living after 2000 mile voyage from Canary Islands.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




Re: Standing rigging on 54

Roque
 

Hi Nick

I just got my new rigging from ACMO and it is a straight swap. 

That means the pin for the new 12mm wire, that replaces the current 10mm, is thinner than the others 12 mm wires pins. I  don’t know if they made them stronger. 

You will also notice that since the new toggle  is bigger, some “filling” may be needed. See  pics.  

Rgds 

Roque
Attika A54 117
Paraty- Rio de Janeiro. 


Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 06:19, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> escreveu:

Thanks guys, it looks like if I order from ACMO then it is a straight swap. So that is what I will do.
I have thought hard about all this and at the end of the day I do not want to have that niggling feeling that my rigging is not up to it on a dark stormy night!
Nick
> On 7 Jun 2019, at 11:42, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Nick;
>
> We are currently going though the same process and we have just released the order to ACMO.
>
> If ordered from ACMO, you will receive the entire parts required for the upgrade. This includes a “stronger” pin, as ACMO puts it, the turn buckles and threaded eye. I just again reconfirmed this with ACMO. If you look at your connections at the chain plates, the parts have an ACMO stamp on them.
>
> Therefore according to ACMO, no other parts will be necessary, it is just a matter of removing the existing shrouds and installing new.
>
> I will provide an update if we find anything that contradicts this during the install.
>
> Respectfully;
>
>
> Mohammad & Aty
> B&B Kokomo
> Amel 54 #099
>
>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 7:27 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Further to the news that the Amel 54 should have 12mm aft lowers not 10mm and that the intermediates should be beefed up from 8mm to 10mm. I am now seriously working this out.
>> On the face of it I can order the replacement wire and fittings from ACMO in France and have it a week later. What worries me is that the pin sizes will increase (I guess)
>> This should be no problem at the bottom where there is a massive chainplate that I could drill out to accept the bigger pins but at the top at the spreader bases it will be tricky.
>> Has anyone been there and done this project?
>> What about sticking to 8mm and 10 mm but upgrading the wire quality to say Dyform? Dyform offers about 30% more strength than standard 1x19?
>> Any experts out there?
>> Nick
>> S/Y Amelia AML54-019
>> Anchored in Kefalonia enjoying easy living after 2000 mile voyage from Canary Islands.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




Re: Stuffing box drainage path

CW Bill Rouse
 

Gary 

Late model SM Bow Thrusters do capture any sea water seepage and drain that to the gray water bilge. This change was done sometime in 2003.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 6:40 PM Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:
My bow thruster will not leak to an exit to the bilge.  It will be stopped at the forward head where it must be dealt with manually.  If you have a situation where seawater has a direct path to the the engine room bilge (other than the anchor locker), I would say that it's not original (or I didn't read your statement correctly). ..  

Having a water alarm next to the rudder quadrant is a great idea.  I just have to hoist the bed once a month while we're parked, once a day while we are underway.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Maryland, USA
Re: Batteries: copper bars will not work - be sure that you have jumpers to wire the pairs in series

Scott SV Tengah
 

I see the point in using jumper wires but for those with or contemplating lithium:

I would suggest using copper bars. When I changed to lithium, the electrician installed jumper wires between the 12v lithium battery pairs. They were of the same size as the wires that lead back to the bus bars. For some reason, the wires got extremely hot when running high loads. Note that with my setup, I have 200amps of charging capacity and a 5kw inverter, so to stress test it, I did in fact draw nearly 5000 watts out of the batteries for half an hour. The jumper wires got uncomfortably hot.

Changing to copper bars fixed that problem. Make sure you secure the batteries well, though. The one thing I really don't like, is that any movement in the batteries will put force on the terminal posts.

Scott
Amel 54 Tengah #69
Re: Standing rigging on 54

ngtnewington Newington
 

Not sure exactly where we will be. I am happy to do the job myself thanks.
Nick
Amelia 54-019

On 7 Jun 2019, at 13:14, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@transpacific.us> wrote:

Looks like we have a few 54s in the Ionian.

FYI, we are flying Nicky from Malta to Corfu to replace our shrouds on or around June 24. If you feel the timing will work, I can talk to Nicky to schedule other replacements as well.

Respectfully;


Mohammad Shirloo
323-633-2222 Cell
310-454-3148 Fax

On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:19 PM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thanks guys, it looks like if I order from ACMO then it is a straight swap. So that is what I will do.
I have thought hard about all this and at the end of the day I do not want to have that niggling feeling that my rigging is not up to it on a dark stormy night!
Nick
On 7 Jun 2019, at 11:42, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@transpacific.us> wrote:

Hello Nick;

We are currently going though the same process and we have just released the order to ACMO.

If ordered from ACMO, you will receive the entire parts required for the upgrade. This includes a “stronger” pin, as ACMO puts it, the turn buckles and threaded eye. I just again reconfirmed this with ACMO. If you look at your connections at the chain plates, the parts have an ACMO stamp on them.

Therefore according to ACMO, no other parts will be necessary, it is just a matter of removing the existing shrouds and installing new.

I will provide an update if we find anything that contradicts this during the install.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jun 7, 2019, at 7:27 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Further to the news that the Amel 54 should have 12mm aft lowers not 10mm and that the intermediates should be beefed up from 8mm to 10mm. I am now seriously working this out.
On the face of it I can order the replacement wire and fittings from ACMO in France and have it a week later. What worries me is that the pin sizes will increase (I guess)
This should be no problem at the bottom where there is a massive chainplate that I could drill out to accept the bigger pins but at the top at the spreader bases it will be tricky.
Has anyone been there and done this project?
What about sticking to 8mm and 10 mm but upgrading the wire quality to say Dyform? Dyform offers about 30% more strength than standard 1x19?
Any experts out there?
Nick
S/Y Amelia AML54-019
Anchored in Kefalonia enjoying easy living after 2000 mile voyage from Canary Islands.
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