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Re: Standing rigging on 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Roque;

The crack that we found was in the swagging and not in the wires. It was not considered a failure by either ACMO or our rigger. ACMO did acknowledge that at the time our rigging was swagged, they had an older machine that led to the crack and we were advised to simply keep an eye on it to make sure it does not get any bigger. The assumption was that the crack was there from day one.

However since we were going to upgrade the rest of the shrouds at the main, we decided to take care of this also so we don it have any questionable or potentially weak areas at the main.

We informed ACMO of the crack last month.


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jun 11, 2019, at 3:44 PM, Roque via Groups.Io <ediroque@...> wrote:

Mohammad & Aty

I had a few cracked wires at the main too (#117). I reported this fact to ACMO in november 2018. 
  Would you care to tell when you informed ACMO about this failure? Was it last year? 

Thank you for you input. 

Roque
Attika A54 - 117
Santos - Brazil  


Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 07:32, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> escreveu:
Hello Porter;

I hope you guys are doing well and the engine issues are now behind you.

We are replacing all 6 shrouds at the main because ACMO had a crack in one of the original long shrouds that we found in our rig inspection last year.

They did extend a 10% discount because of this so the total shipped to Corfu was 5000 euros.

Off course you only need to upgrade the mid and lower shrouds so your pricing will be less. I did receive a complete quote for all rigging that I will forward to you shortly.

I, like you, try to do everything I can myself, which is about 90%. It’s better to make a mistake and learn while help is available. However, the cruising season in the Med is short so I do elect to use known outside people if necessary so we get to enjoy the season.

The rigging is definitely one of them, at this point, for us. So I’m flying Ricky from Malta to Corfu for 2 days to take care of the shrouds and some lighting and wind cane issues.

Enjoy Tahiti. We chartered there in 2008 and had a great time.


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

> On Jun 10, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Dear Mohammad and Aty
>
> Would you be willing to let me or us know the cost from ACMO?
> This seems very tempting to do myself?  Then have a rigger double check.  A lot of work, yes but interesting and tempting!
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Porter
>
> S/V IBIS 54-152
> Tahiti.
>
> Excuse the errors.
> Sent from my IPhone
> Www.fouribis.com
>
>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 11:19 PM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks guys, it looks like if I order from ACMO then it is a straight swap. So that is what I will do.
>> I have thought hard about all this and at the end of the day I do not want to have that niggling feeling that my rigging is not up to it on a dark stormy night!
>> Nick
>>> On 7 Jun 2019, at 11:42, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Nick;
>>>
>>> We are currently going though the same process and we have just released the order to ACMO.
>>>
>>> If ordered from ACMO, you will receive the entire parts required for the upgrade. This includes a “stronger” pin, as ACMO puts it, the turn buckles and threaded eye. I just again reconfirmed this with ACMO. If you look at your connections at the chain plates, the parts have an ACMO stamp on them.
>>>
>>> Therefore according to ACMO, no other parts will be necessary, it is just a matter of removing the existing shrouds and installing new.
>>>
>>> I will provide an update if we find anything that contradicts this during the install.
>>>
>>> Respectfully;
>>>
>>>
>>> Mohammad & Aty
>>> B&B Kokomo
>>> Amel 54 #099
>>>
>>>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 7:27 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Further to the news that the Amel 54 should have 12mm aft lowers not 10mm and that the intermediates should be beefed up from 8mm to 10mm. I am now seriously working this out.
>>>> On the face of it I can order the replacement wire and fittings from ACMO in France and have it a week later. What worries me is that the pin sizes will increase (I guess)
>>>> This should be no problem at the bottom where there is a massive chainplate that I could drill out to accept the bigger pins but at the top at the spreader bases it will be tricky.
>>>> Has anyone been there and done this project?
>>>> What about sticking to 8mm and 10 mm but upgrading the wire quality to say Dyform? Dyform offers about 30% more strength than standard 1x19?
>>>> Any experts out there?
>>>> Nick
>>>> S/Y Amelia AML54-019
>>>> Anchored in Kefalonia enjoying easy living after 2000 mile voyage from Canary Islands.
>
>
>
>



Re: Standing rigging on 54

Roque
 

Mohammad & Aty

I had a few cracked wires at the main too (#117). I reported this fact to ACMO in november 2018. 
  Would you care to tell when you informed ACMO about this failure? Was it last year? 

Thank you for you input. 

Roque
Attika A54 - 117
Santos - Brazil  


Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 07:32, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> escreveu:

Hello Porter;

I hope you guys are doing well and the engine issues are now behind you.

We are replacing all 6 shrouds at the main because ACMO had a crack in one of the original long shrouds that we found in our rig inspection last year.

They did extend a 10% discount because of this so the total shipped to Corfu was 5000 euros.

Off course you only need to upgrade the mid and lower shrouds so your pricing will be less. I did receive a complete quote for all rigging that I will forward to you shortly.

I, like you, try to do everything I can myself, which is about 90%. It’s better to make a mistake and learn while help is available. However, the cruising season in the Med is short so I do elect to use known outside people if necessary so we get to enjoy the season.

The rigging is definitely one of them, at this point, for us. So I’m flying Ricky from Malta to Corfu for 2 days to take care of the shrouds and some lighting and wind cane issues.

Enjoy Tahiti. We chartered there in 2008 and had a great time.


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

> On Jun 10, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Dear Mohammad and Aty
>
> Would you be willing to let me or us know the cost from ACMO?
> This seems very tempting to do myself?  Then have a rigger double check.  A lot of work, yes but interesting and tempting!
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Porter
>
> S/V IBIS 54-152
> Tahiti.
>
> Excuse the errors.
> Sent from my IPhone
> Www.fouribis.com
>
>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 11:19 PM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks guys, it looks like if I order from ACMO then it is a straight swap. So that is what I will do.
>> I have thought hard about all this and at the end of the day I do not want to have that niggling feeling that my rigging is not up to it on a dark stormy night!
>> Nick
>>> On 7 Jun 2019, at 11:42, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Nick;
>>>
>>> We are currently going though the same process and we have just released the order to ACMO.
>>>
>>> If ordered from ACMO, you will receive the entire parts required for the upgrade. This includes a “stronger” pin, as ACMO puts it, the turn buckles and threaded eye. I just again reconfirmed this with ACMO. If you look at your connections at the chain plates, the parts have an ACMO stamp on them.
>>>
>>> Therefore according to ACMO, no other parts will be necessary, it is just a matter of removing the existing shrouds and installing new.
>>>
>>> I will provide an update if we find anything that contradicts this during the install.
>>>
>>> Respectfully;
>>>
>>>
>>> Mohammad & Aty
>>> B&B Kokomo
>>> Amel 54 #099
>>>
>>>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 7:27 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Further to the news that the Amel 54 should have 12mm aft lowers not 10mm and that the intermediates should be beefed up from 8mm to 10mm. I am now seriously working this out.
>>>> On the face of it I can order the replacement wire and fittings from ACMO in France and have it a week later. What worries me is that the pin sizes will increase (I guess)
>>>> This should be no problem at the bottom where there is a massive chainplate that I could drill out to accept the bigger pins but at the top at the spreader bases it will be tricky.
>>>> Has anyone been there and done this project?
>>>> What about sticking to 8mm and 10 mm but upgrading the wire quality to say Dyform? Dyform offers about 30% more strength than standard 1x19?
>>>> Any experts out there?
>>>> Nick
>>>> S/Y Amelia AML54-019
>>>> Anchored in Kefalonia enjoying easy living after 2000 mile voyage from Canary Islands.
>
>
>
>



Re: Standing rigging on 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Porter;

I hope you guys are doing well and the engine issues are now behind you.

We are replacing all 6 shrouds at the main because ACMO had a crack in one of the original long shrouds that we found in our rig inspection last year.

They did extend a 10% discount because of this so the total shipped to Corfu was 5000 euros.

Off course you only need to upgrade the mid and lower shrouds so your pricing will be less. I did receive a complete quote for all rigging that I will forward to you shortly.

I, like you, try to do everything I can myself, which is about 90%. It’s better to make a mistake and learn while help is available. However, the cruising season in the Med is short so I do elect to use known outside people if necessary so we get to enjoy the season.

The rigging is definitely one of them, at this point, for us. So I’m flying Ricky from Malta to Corfu for 2 days to take care of the shrouds and some lighting and wind cane issues.

Enjoy Tahiti. We chartered there in 2008 and had a great time.


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jun 10, 2019, at 10:08 PM, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Dear Mohammad and Aty

Would you be willing to let me or us know the cost from ACMO?
This seems very tempting to do myself? Then have a rigger double check. A lot of work, yes but interesting and tempting!

Many thanks.

Porter

S/V IBIS 54-152
Tahiti.

Excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com

On Jun 6, 2019, at 11:19 PM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Thanks guys, it looks like if I order from ACMO then it is a straight swap. So that is what I will do.
I have thought hard about all this and at the end of the day I do not want to have that niggling feeling that my rigging is not up to it on a dark stormy night!
Nick
On 7 Jun 2019, at 11:42, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hello Nick;

We are currently going though the same process and we have just released the order to ACMO.

If ordered from ACMO, you will receive the entire parts required for the upgrade. This includes a “stronger” pin, as ACMO puts it, the turn buckles and threaded eye. I just again reconfirmed this with ACMO. If you look at your connections at the chain plates, the parts have an ACMO stamp on them.

Therefore according to ACMO, no other parts will be necessary, it is just a matter of removing the existing shrouds and installing new.

I will provide an update if we find anything that contradicts this during the install.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jun 7, 2019, at 7:27 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Further to the news that the Amel 54 should have 12mm aft lowers not 10mm and that the intermediates should be beefed up from 8mm to 10mm. I am now seriously working this out.
On the face of it I can order the replacement wire and fittings from ACMO in France and have it a week later. What worries me is that the pin sizes will increase (I guess)
This should be no problem at the bottom where there is a massive chainplate that I could drill out to accept the bigger pins but at the top at the spreader bases it will be tricky.
Has anyone been there and done this project?
What about sticking to 8mm and 10 mm but upgrading the wire quality to say Dyform? Dyform offers about 30% more strength than standard 1x19?
Any experts out there?
Nick
S/Y Amelia AML54-019
Anchored in Kefalonia enjoying easy living after 2000 mile voyage from Canary Islands.


Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

David Cummane
 

The diesel dipstick works very accurately when it matters - with low fuel. A few months ago it read around 3 litres left in the tank and no problems.

David
SM#101

Solar tax incentive -- ending soon

Kelly Ran
 

For fellow Americans --

If you didn't already know: you can claim a substantial tax credit for solar on your Amel. You can get 30% of the solar installation cost back as a tax credit. The incentive will decrease for solar installed in 2020 and 2021, and then it'll cease to exist (for residential) in 2022. I'm pretty sure the incentive applies retroactively too, but I'm not completely sure.

We successfully got 30% of our costs back for our 2018 solar panel installation. 

and tons more info online.

(Obviously consult with a tax professional, etc etc.)

Cheers,
Kelly + Ryan
SM233 Iteration
Boston

Re: BamarMEJ1.02 furling motor

ngtnewington Newington
 

I am only interested in the motors
Nick

On 11 Jun 2019, at 01:54, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

Hi Nick,

I have a working set of original furlers for sale, they are located in St Martin. There is an earlier post of me on the forum with some pictures

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121

Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

John Clark
 

Bill, there is a lever next to the point where the throttle cable connects to the engine.  Lift/ twist the lever and it cuts off the fuel supply just like the shut off solenoid would if there was power.

I painted mine bright pink(only highvis color available in Marin) so other crew could find it fast.

On Sun, Jun 9, 2019, 10:14 PM Jean Boucharlat <jean.boucharlat@...> wrote:

Yes, stopping the air input does work, but…it can be seriously hazardous to the palm of your hand if you do it by hand as the depression is quite strong. On the other hand (pun intended), if you use rags, they will be sucked into the engine. So some caution is necessary with this method.

 

Jean Boucharlat

Formerly SM 232

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of jlm@...
Sent: dimanche 9 juin 2019 20:47
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

 

Wery easy to do you stop the fresh air input .....:-)

JLMERTZ

CottonBay


 

Le 09/06/2019 à 20:23, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :

What is the best way to shut off a TMD22 when there is no power available to use the normal shut off method?

--

 

Best,

 

Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com

Re: Standing rigging on 54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thete used to be loads of lobster at minerva untill it became a cruisers favoured stop and they raped the resource. 

Danny

On 11 June 2019 at 11:00 Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:


Voyage to NZ from Tonga is not difficult. Weather window is key. The cost of rerig will be far cheaper in NZ!

We did the passage in 12 days with 6 days in North Minerva… we were supposed to catch loads of lobsters there… “they’ll jump aboard your dinghy” not so. :-)

I’ll pass your regards to Nimbus.

Cheers,


JPG

On 7 Jun 2019, at 16:26, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Further to the news that the Amel 54 should have 12mm aft lowers not 10mm and that the intermediates should be beefed up from 8mm to 10mm. I am now seriously working this out.
On the face of it I can order the replacement wire and fittings from ACMO in France and have it a week later. What worries me is that the pin sizes will increase (I guess)
This should be no problem at the bottom where there is a massive chainplate that I could drill out to accept the bigger pins but at the top at the spreader bases it will be tricky.
Has anyone been there and done this project?
What about sticking to 8mm and 10 mm but upgrading the wire quality to say Dyform? Dyform offers about 30% more strength than standard 1x19?
Any experts out there?
Nick
S/Y Amelia AML54-019
Anchored in Kefalonia enjoying easy living after 2000 mile voyage from Canary Islands.


Re: Standing rigging on 54

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Voyage to NZ from Tonga is not difficult. Weather window is key. The cost of rerig will be far cheaper in NZ!

We did the passage in 12 days with 6 days in North Minerva… we were supposed to catch loads of lobsters there… “they’ll jump aboard your dinghy” not so. :-)

I’ll pass your regards to Nimbus.

Cheers,


JPG

On 7 Jun 2019, at 16:26, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Further to the news that the Amel 54 should have 12mm aft lowers not 10mm and that the intermediates should be beefed up from 8mm to 10mm. I am now seriously working this out.
On the face of it I can order the replacement wire and fittings from ACMO in France and have it a week later. What worries me is that the pin sizes will increase (I guess)
This should be no problem at the bottom where there is a massive chainplate that I could drill out to accept the bigger pins but at the top at the spreader bases it will be tricky.
Has anyone been there and done this project?
What about sticking to 8mm and 10 mm but upgrading the wire quality to say Dyform? Dyform offers about 30% more strength than standard 1x19?
Any experts out there?
Nick
S/Y Amelia AML54-019
Anchored in Kefalonia enjoying easy living after 2000 mile voyage from Canary Islands.


Re: BamarMEJ1.02 furling motor

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Nick,

I have a working set of original furlers for sale, they are located in St Martin. There is an earlier post of me on the forum with some pictures

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121

Re: Standing rigging on 54

Porter McRoberts
 

JPG!
Many thanks for the advice and thoughts. 
Very appreciated. We’re in fine shape to make it to New Zealand I think. Just looking ahead to the anticipated desire to get it done. So no pressure to do it here in Tahiti thank goodness. NZ seems like the place. But we’re considering also the potential hurricane pit in Fiji as a off season storage location. NZ is as enticing as the voyage there is off putting/crapshoot. As they say nothing points to weather like a 767. 

Nimbus is captained by a man of iron! His crew of iron stomachs!  Please say hello to them. Your comments are quite welcome. 

Thanks again JPG

Porter 
Ibis A54-152
Tahiti


Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Jun 10, 2019, at 11:15 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hello Porter,

OPINION FOLLOWS:

There is a severe shortage of riggers in Tahiti; only 2 at last visit.  If you need a good one, I can offer Benoit Parnaudeau (+68987333956). (He captained a Vendee Globe solo racer and was the rigger for a famous Fr woman racer…name forgotten) The other rigger is even more expensive but also good!!!

I’d try to do it myself in Tahiti as their prices are INSANE.

IF you can wait, get it done in NZ; Opua, in the Bay of Islands is a great place and has all the services in situ, including the best chandler I’ve seen anywhere in the world (Cater Marine).  (The conditions should be fairly benign from Tahiti to Tonga then NZ)

Greetings from Matt/Molly/Lily/Henry/Avery in Nimbus docked near us in Savusavu, Fiji

Good luck

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM 007, Fiji.



On 11 Jun 2019, at 07:07, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

Dear Mohammad and Aty

Would you be willing to let me or us know the cost from ACMO?
This seems very tempting to do myself?  Then have a rigger double check.  A lot of work, yes but interesting and tempting!

Many thanks. 

Porter

S/V IBIS 54-152
Tahiti. 

Excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone 
Www.fouribis.com

On Jun 6, 2019, at 11:19 PM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Thanks guys, it looks like if I order from ACMO then it is a straight swap. So that is what I will do.
I have thought hard about all this and at the end of the day I do not want to have that niggling feeling that my rigging is not up to it on a dark stormy night!
Nick
On 7 Jun 2019, at 11:42, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hello Nick;

We are currently going though the same process and we have just released the order to ACMO. 

If ordered from ACMO, you will receive the entire parts required for the upgrade. This includes a “stronger” pin, as ACMO puts it, the turn buckles and threaded eye. I just again reconfirmed this with ACMO. If you look at your connections at the chain plates, the parts have an ACMO stamp on them.

Therefore according to ACMO, no other parts will be necessary, it is just a matter of removing the existing shrouds and installing new.

I will provide an update if we find anything that contradicts this during the install.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jun 7, 2019, at 7:27 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Further to the news that the Amel 54 should have 12mm aft lowers not 10mm and that the intermediates should be beefed up from 8mm to 10mm. I am now seriously working this out.
On the face of it I can order the replacement wire and fittings from ACMO in France and have it a week later. What worries me is that the pin sizes will increase (I guess)
This should be no problem at the bottom where there is a massive chainplate that I could drill out to accept the bigger pins but at the top at the spreader bases it will be tricky.
Has anyone been there and done this project?
What about sticking to 8mm and 10 mm but upgrading the wire quality to say Dyform? Dyform offers about 30% more strength than standard 1x19?
Any experts out there?
Nick
S/Y Amelia AML54-019
Anchored in Kefalonia enjoying easy living after 2000 mile voyage from Canary Islands.













Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

rossirossix4
 

Agree!  I think I would just stay away and let the motor disintegrate!  

Re: BamarMEJ1.02 furling motor

Teun BAAS
 

Nick,

 

I have both BAMAR generation 2 furlers for sale but they are in NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA.

If interested email me: teun at amelit dot net  teun@...

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

PORT VILA  VANUATU

June 11, 2019 08:30:21

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 01:44
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] BamarMEJ1.02 furling motor

 

 

Earlier  on in my passage from Madeira I had a problem with the Genoa furler. It turned out to be the motor. I switched it for the staysail one which is like new, so I could carry on my voyage.

Now I need to decide how to proceed. The defective motor is shorting on its windings and I can see a strand that is actually broken.

The question is:

To send to rewind shop for repair

Or to buy new?

Or to buy one from another Amel owner who has upgraded to newer better furlers and who has the old ones?

Nick S/Y Amelia

AML54-019 approaching Preveza

 

 

Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

HI guys,
Yes, mine's the same - seems the stick is a bit off.  Only tempted the fates once and ran down to about 20 liters and got away with it.
DId you get a nibble from Nessy in the canal - super place.
Cheers, Craig

Re: Standing rigging on 54

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Porter,

OPINION FOLLOWS:

There is a severe shortage of riggers in Tahiti; only 2 at last visit.  If you need a good one, I can offer Benoit Parnaudeau (+68987333956). (He captained a Vendee Globe solo racer and was the rigger for a famous Fr woman racer…name forgotten) The other rigger is even more expensive but also good!!!

I’d try to do it myself in Tahiti as their prices are INSANE.

IF you can wait, get it done in NZ; Opua, in the Bay of Islands is a great place and has all the services in situ, including the best chandler I’ve seen anywhere in the world (Cater Marine).  (The conditions should be fairly benign from Tahiti to Tonga then NZ)

Greetings from Matt/Molly/Lily/Henry/Avery in Nimbus docked near us in Savusavu, Fiji

Good luck

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM 007, Fiji.



On 11 Jun 2019, at 07:07, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

Dear Mohammad and Aty

Would you be willing to let me or us know the cost from ACMO?
This seems very tempting to do myself?  Then have a rigger double check.  A lot of work, yes but interesting and tempting!

Many thanks. 

Porter

S/V IBIS 54-152
Tahiti. 

Excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone 
Www.fouribis.com

On Jun 6, 2019, at 11:19 PM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:

Thanks guys, it looks like if I order from ACMO then it is a straight swap. So that is what I will do.
I have thought hard about all this and at the end of the day I do not want to have that niggling feeling that my rigging is not up to it on a dark stormy night!
Nick
On 7 Jun 2019, at 11:42, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hello Nick;

We are currently going though the same process and we have just released the order to ACMO. 

If ordered from ACMO, you will receive the entire parts required for the upgrade. This includes a “stronger” pin, as ACMO puts it, the turn buckles and threaded eye. I just again reconfirmed this with ACMO. If you look at your connections at the chain plates, the parts have an ACMO stamp on them.

Therefore according to ACMO, no other parts will be necessary, it is just a matter of removing the existing shrouds and installing new.

I will provide an update if we find anything that contradicts this during the install.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Jun 7, 2019, at 7:27 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...> wrote:


Further to the news that the Amel 54 should have 12mm aft lowers not 10mm and that the intermediates should be beefed up from 8mm to 10mm. I am now seriously working this out.
On the face of it I can order the replacement wire and fittings from ACMO in France and have it a week later. What worries me is that the pin sizes will increase (I guess)
This should be no problem at the bottom where there is a massive chainplate that I could drill out to accept the bigger pins but at the top at the spreader bases it will be tricky.
Has anyone been there and done this project?
What about sticking to 8mm and 10 mm but upgrading the wire quality to say Dyform? Dyform offers about 30% more strength than standard 1x19?
Any experts out there?
Nick
S/Y Amelia AML54-019
Anchored in Kefalonia enjoying easy living after 2000 mile voyage from Canary Islands.













Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

I do not know about the Santorin specifically but on my SM, #007 an early hull, my fuel tanks do not hold 600 liters as per the 2000’s but only 565.

As an aside, the “stick" is accurately graduated and I can estimate the refill to +- 5 liters on each fill up.

The Volvo is a bit less thirsty than Yanmar… this may be the reason for less fuel quantity in the early SM’s.

Good luck but if you want a definitive answer, Olivier would be a good source….

Blue side down.



Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Fiji.



On 11 Jun 2019, at 08:44, Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:

Ric
Exactly! So once I’ve used 350 litres do I have 10 litres left or 50? It’s the original stick too. So I was just asking other Santorin owners whether they register a 400 reading when the tank is full?

Ian

Ocean Hobo
On 10 Jun 2019, at 21:07, Ric <ric@...> wrote:

Isn't the point to see how empty the tank is? Dipstick works great & a new one can be made.
Still kickin it
Ric
Bali Hai SN24
Annapolis
-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ian
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:09 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

Craig
My Santorin does not have that line fitted. I will check on the lever on the pump. It sounds like a good idea to fit one and put a dash of red paint on it too.

On another topic - do you still have the fuel dipstick? I can only fill my fuel tank up to the 360 litre mark. I can see the diesel in the neck of the filler pipe so I know it must be full. I just wonder if Henri designed it to have a 40 litre reserve.....

Best wishes. Just out of the Caledonian canal en route to the Baltic. Lots of ran here.

Ian and Linda

Ocean Hobo SN96










Re: Bow thruster seals

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thank you Bill. It seems to me there is a lot of misunderstanding about how the system works. Like many things if we don't follow the right process we get difficulties that are seen as design faults.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 11 June 2019 at 08:10 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Danny,

I believe that yours is adjusted and operated perfectly.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 2:54 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS < simms@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I find it hard to understand why vessels built the same have such different experiences. Some never leak and some cant stop leaking.

However there may be a clue from many previous posts discussing how to get the right amount of lift by the electric retraction system. This seems to show an expectation that this motor will lift the thruster to its full retracted position allowing the insertion of the retaining pin. The retaining pin has a threaded adjustment so it can be made to suit where the motor has lifted the thruster to. However, the foam seals, to work, need pressure applied beyond that which the motor can achieve. (those who try may explain the number of burnt out motors). I have mine adjusted so the motor lift stops with the seals in contact. However at this point I have a "half hole" situation for the pin. I achieve the insertion of the pin by a strong sideways pull on the lifting cable and the tapered end of the pin assists this as I push it in. This results in good pressure on those foam seals. I have at times left a marina and motored down harbour with the thruster lifted but the pin not in and had significant leaking which immediately stops when I do the final lift and insert the pin. This confirms my experience that good pressure on the foam seals is needed for them to work. The lip seal is important too but without the foam seals working properly there is a huge hydraulic water pressure upwards as the boat pounds into a seaway that overcomes the lip seal.

That's my take on this.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 11 June 2019 at 03:29 Stephen Davis < flyboyscd@...> wrote:

 
Hi Jose,

I’d also be interested in some of these seals, as water intrusion in spite of good bow thruster maintenance has been an on going problem for us. On our 31 day passage from Panama to Hawaii we had fairly bad leakage, and I built a mountain of modeling clay I had on hand around the shaft to stop it. That will completely stop the inflow for about 10 days until the clay gets saturated, and you have to pull it off and put some more on. I’d recommend everyone keep some on board for emergency repairs on long passages, as it beats the heck out of bailing water several times a day. The best solution might be your new seals, and I’d love to give them a try. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Ko Olina, Hawaii

On Jun 10, 2019, at 9:59 AM, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote:

Jose,

I too am interested in the source and part number.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:35 AM ianjenkins1946 < ianjudyjenkins@...> < ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:
Hi Jose,

In your original email you write of  having bought two seals and " installing them". Presumably you only installed one, replacing the 60-80-12 that Amel fitted ?

 Incidentally, to save you the  hassle of buying  a number of seals and then sending  them on, I'm happy to buy direct, in which case could you let me have the part number ?
 Equally, I'm happy to add to your own order if that helps to speed up supply.

 Thanks,

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece
 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...>
Sent: 10 June 2019 07:46
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path
 
Hi Jose,

 This solution sounds really useful. We are definitely interested. Please contact me on    penazen@... so we can arrange payment and post.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece
 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Jose Venegas via Groups.Io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io>
Sent: 10 June 2019 02:12
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path
 
Dear friends:

After I bought Ipanema 10  years ago we had two years of struggle trying to prevent the leak of water through the bow thruster.  About 8 years ago we had a long discussion on this forum about the bow truster seals which I had changed several times following all the recommendations given by Amel, including adding a third bottom donut seal to increase the pressure.  It was all at no avail.  So, before our transatlantic on 2012 I came up with a brute force solution adding an extra removable sealing system that was wrapped around the shaft and had to be secured after the bow thruster was fully retracted.  This worked very well during the trans Atlantic passage (not a single drop of water) and gave me the security of knowing that in addition of the sealing effect, the shaft was being held by one redundant mechanism. 
As we came back to Boston, we kept using the method but it became very inconvenient to mount and dismount the contraption every weekend when we left and came back to Constitution Marina.
My interpretation of the problem was that due to uneven wearing of the surfaces that guide the bow thruster up and down motion, it resulted in a misalignment between the shaft and the sealing surfaces.  This misalignment  caused a small deviation  of the shaft from the centerline which pushed the lip seal sideways and, because the Amel recommended seals are made of a hard material, it opened a point of water entry. 
I proceeded to test my hypothesis and ordered two special seals made of silicone from a soft seal manufacturer (SSP Inc).  It took several months to get them due to the small number of units I ordered (just 2) but, after I installed them three years ago, I had no more leaks and my bilge has been dry ever since.  The cost for the two seals was $72.50 and, more importantly I have not had to change them or the donut seals since I installed them. I have checked them and the donut seals and they are all still in good shape.

As I am preparing Ipanema for our long term cruise, I am ordering a few spares to carry with me and I will be happy to order some extra ones for any body that wants to try them.

I missed taking pix before installation but here are pictures of them installed, before and after adding the top donut.

Cheers,

Jose Gabriel Venegas
Ipanema SM2K 278
Boston

<UNADJUSTEDNONRAW_thumb_17976.jpeg><UNADJUSTEDNONRAW_thumb_17977.jpeg> 



 

 


 


 

 

 

Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

Ian Park
 

Ric
Exactly! So once I’ve used 350 litres do I have 10 litres left or 50? It’s the original stick too. So I was just asking other Santorin owners whether they register a 400 reading when the tank is full?

Ian

Ocean Hobo

On 10 Jun 2019, at 21:07, Ric <ric@...> wrote:

Isn't the point to see how empty the tank is? Dipstick works great & a new one can be made.
Still kickin it
Ric
Bali Hai SN24
Annapolis
-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ian
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:09 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

Craig
My Santorin does not have that line fitted. I will check on the lever on the pump. It sounds like a good idea to fit one and put a dash of red paint on it too.

On another topic - do you still have the fuel dipstick? I can only fill my fuel tank up to the 360 litre mark. I can see the diesel in the neck of the filler pipe so I know it must be full. I just wonder if Henri designed it to have a 40 litre reserve.....

Best wishes. Just out of the Caledonian canal en route to the Baltic. Lots of ran here.

Ian and Linda

Ocean Hobo SN96





Re: Bow thruster seals

 

Danny,

I believe that yours is adjusted and operated perfectly.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 2:54 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I find it hard to understand why vessels built the same have such different experiences. Some never leak and some cant stop leaking.

However there may be a clue from many previous posts discussing how to get the right amount of lift by the electric retraction system. This seems to show an expectation that this motor will lift the thruster to its full retracted position allowing the insertion of the retaining pin. The retaining pin has a threaded adjustment so it can be made to suit where the motor has lifted the thruster to. However, the foam seals, to work, need pressure applied beyond that which the motor can achieve. (those who try may explain the number of burnt out motors). I have mine adjusted so the motor lift stops with the seals in contact. However at this point I have a "half hole" situation for the pin. I achieve the insertion of the pin by a strong sideways pull on the lifting cable and the tapered end of the pin assists this as I push it in. This results in good pressure on those foam seals. I have at times left a marina and motored down harbour with the thruster lifted but the pin not in and had significant leaking which immediately stops when I do the final lift and insert the pin. This confirms my experience that good pressure on the foam seals is needed for them to work. The lip seal is important too but without the foam seals working properly there is a huge hydraulic water pressure upwards as the boat pounds into a seaway that overcomes the lip seal.

That's my take on this.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 11 June 2019 at 03:29 Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote:

 
Hi Jose,

I’d also be interested in some of these seals, as water intrusion in spite of good bow thruster maintenance has been an on going problem for us. On our 31 day passage from Panama to Hawaii we had fairly bad leakage, and I built a mountain of modeling clay I had on hand around the shaft to stop it. That will completely stop the inflow for about 10 days until the clay gets saturated, and you have to pull it off and put some more on. I’d recommend everyone keep some on board for emergency repairs on long passages, as it beats the heck out of bailing water several times a day. The best solution might be your new seals, and I’d love to give them a try. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Ko Olina, Hawaii

On Jun 10, 2019, at 9:59 AM, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote:

Jose,

I too am interested in the source and part number.

Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:35 AM ianjenkins1946 < ianjudyjenkins@...> < ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote:
Hi Jose,

In your original email you write of  having bought two seals and " installing them". Presumably you only installed one, replacing the 60-80-12 that Amel fitted ?

 Incidentally, to save you the  hassle of buying  a number of seals and then sending  them on, I'm happy to buy direct, in which case could you let me have the part number ?
 Equally, I'm happy to add to your own order if that helps to speed up supply.

 Thanks,

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece
 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@...> <ianjudyjenkins@...>
Sent: 10 June 2019 07:46
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path
 
Hi Jose,

 This solution sounds really useful. We are definitely interested. Please contact me on    penazen@... so we can arrange payment and post.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece
 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Jose Venegas via Groups.Io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io>
Sent: 10 June 2019 02:12
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stuffing box drainage path
 
Dear friends:

After I bought Ipanema 10  years ago we had two years of struggle trying to prevent the leak of water through the bow thruster.  About 8 years ago we had a long discussion on this forum about the bow truster seals which I had changed several times following all the recommendations given by Amel, including adding a third bottom donut seal to increase the pressure.  It was all at no avail.  So, before our transatlantic on 2012 I came up with a brute force solution adding an extra removable sealing system that was wrapped around the shaft and had to be secured after the bow thruster was fully retracted.  This worked very well during the trans Atlantic passage (not a single drop of water) and gave me the security of knowing that in addition of the sealing effect, the shaft was being held by one redundant mechanism. 
As we came back to Boston, we kept using the method but it became very inconvenient to mount and dismount the contraption every weekend when we left and came back to Constitution Marina.
My interpretation of the problem was that due to uneven wearing of the surfaces that guide the bow thruster up and down motion, it resulted in a misalignment between the shaft and the sealing surfaces.  This misalignment  caused a small deviation  of the shaft from the centerline which pushed the lip seal sideways and, because the Amel recommended seals are made of a hard material, it opened a point of water entry. 
I proceeded to test my hypothesis and ordered two special seals made of silicone from a soft seal manufacturer (SSP Inc).  It took several months to get them due to the small number of units I ordered (just 2) but, after I installed them three years ago, I had no more leaks and my bilge has been dry ever since.  The cost for the two seals was $72.50 and, more importantly I have not had to change them or the donut seals since I installed them. I have checked them and the donut seals and they are all still in good shape.

As I am preparing Ipanema for our long term cruise, I am ordering a few spares to carry with me and I will be happy to order some extra ones for any body that wants to try them.

I missed taking pix before installation but here are pictures of them installed, before and after adding the top donut.

Cheers,

Jose Gabriel Venegas
Ipanema SM2K 278
Boston

<UNADJUSTEDNONRAW_thumb_17976.jpeg><UNADJUSTEDNONRAW_thumb_17977.jpeg> 



 

 


 


 

Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

Ric <ric@...>
 

Isn't the point to see how empty the tank is? Dipstick works great & a new one can be made.
Still kickin it
Ric
Bali Hai SN24
Annapolis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ian
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:09 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

Craig
My Santorin does not have that line fitted. I will check on the lever on the pump. It sounds like a good idea to fit one and put a dash of red paint on it too.

On another topic - do you still have the fuel dipstick? I can only fill my fuel tank up to the 360 litre mark. I can see the diesel in the neck of the filler pipe so I know it must be full. I just wonder if Henri designed it to have a 40 litre reserve.....

Best wishes. Just out of the Caledonian canal en route to the Baltic. Lots of ran here.

Ian and Linda

Ocean Hobo SN96