Date   
Re: TMD22 Emergency Shutoff

Rob Hughes
 

I am the one with the runaway motor. i tried the The lever on the side of the injector pump i held it over for a while but it did nothing.

Organized Photo Section of the Amel Yacht Owners Group #IMPORTANT

 

I just spent several hours browsing through the newly organized Photos. Wow, it was a pleasure. I am really impressed, and while browsing the albums, I learned a few new "Amel things." A huge amount of work went into reorganizing Photos! All of the work was performed by SM owners Gary Silver and Andrew Lamb. And, as a huge benefit, these photos are now searchable. Thank you both very much! ,

I think each Amel Yacht Owner Group member should browse the albums in Photos. 

Since any member is allowed to add albums and photos, let's all try to be as organized as Gary and Andrew made our Photos. We do have an ongoing photo issue. Any photo we embed or attach to an email automatically gets dumped into a single album named "Emailed Photos." I am not sure we will be able to clean this up because we can only download or delete photos in this album.

Gary and Andrew, please let us all know any suggestions you have for any/all of us.
--

Best,
 
Bill Rouse

Forward holding tank inlet clogged

Thomas Kleman
 

Actually, there was an outlet clog also but several chemical treatments cured that. However, the macerator pump easily lifts water to fill the hose beyond the joker valve, then encounters a clog. Ive tried snaking this and also flushing chemicals to put them in touch with the clog, but no luck. 

Not sure of the shape of this fitting at the top of holding tank so snaking it is kind of difficult. Since the clog is at the top of the tank, I would need a lot of chemicals to fill the holding tank from the deck access point to address the clog that way. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Tom Kleman
SM2K 422 
San Andres Colombia

Re: Rigid Propeller Santorin

Ian Park
 

Do you still have your shaft alternator. I always switch mine on when sailing. It keeps the batteries fully charged. When you turn the key on the 12v panel there is a very significant drop in the propellor speed.
I have not noticed any problem with wear on the shaft wearing out bearing either.
Before putting the engine back on I always put the gear lever into reverse to stop the prop shaft alternator charging. I don’t think this is a big problem, but it was what Amel recommended.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: Rigid Propeller Santorin

Gerhard Mueller
 

I have a sticker at the helmstand saying not to shift into forward gear while sailing with stopped engine.
The reverse gear is not mentioned.
To be sure you should tell us the engine type and gearbox type you have.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Rigid Propeller Santorin

Bernd Spanner
 

Hi! Please let me know if you stop your prop in reverse gear if shaft generator is not on use.
By stopping you would get rid of the noise and also reduce wear of the gearbox and shaft seals...
The extra drag is imho not an issue since I am not sailing races....
Thanks

Re: gross and net tonnage

sbmesasailor
 

Hi Craig,

Your statement that Gross and Net Tons have nothing to do with what your boat weighs is not quite acccurate.

Displacement is the volume of water displaced when the vessel is freely floating and such volume will equal the total weight of the boat and all items thereon at that time. It is a direct relation to overal weight.

The USCG formula was designed for cargo-carrying vessels.  That is why the formula is so far off for sailboats and sailboat owners have issues with the difference.

Dennis

Re: Greek Cruising Tax

Mark Erdos
 

The easiest way to avoid the airport hassle or immigration constraints is to purchase a fully refundable one-way return airline ticket within the visa dates. Once you are in your location, refund the ticket.

If you time the purchase correctly, you will not even have to pay for the ticket on your credit card since it can be refunded within the same billing cycle.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brent Cameron
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2019 5:38 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax

 

  • Hi James. My wife Jen and I are in a similar situation right now.  We flew out of Pearson but we were on Azores Airlines. We’re flying back out of Vienna on TAP so no cross linkages at all. Nobody in the EU seems to care how long we were there for as we were never asked how long we were staying and we crossed into and out of the EU and Schengen zone many, many times (Azores - flight, UK - flight, Austria - flight, Romania - flight, Austria - flight, Hungary - car, Slovenia - car, Italy - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Montenegro - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car so far :-).   The passports get stamped with an entry and exit date every time but no “visa” or restrictions. I’m guessing they’d give you grief only if you over stayed your welcome. The Europeans are far more organized than the US, Canada or UK in that they also do exit checks and demand that hotels and B&B’s report your presence on a nightly basis.   There are signs as you enter Croatia and Montenegro that say as much but frankly they aren’t very uptight about any of it. Gazillions of tourists here and it’s going to get far worse in July/August so I suspect they have far better things to do than hassle you. Air Canada shouldn’t care on the outbound leg and if Austria didn’t care about any of our one way Ryan Air tickets in and out (being Uber efficient Germanic types) I can’t imagine you’ll have any issues anywhere else. I saw the same thing flying into Lisbon and Barcelona on TAP last fall.. I had an outbound ticket on Ryan Air to Stansted but they never even asked about it.  Good luck!

 

Brent

On Jun 15, 2019, 11:09 AM +0200, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...>, wrote:

Mohammad and Aty,

 

   Thanks for taking the time to provide the email address for Chris.  I have added this to my Greece file and will be contacting Chris soon.

 

   I do have another question to anyone that can help.  We have round trip tickets  via Air France out of Canada to Italy. The arrival and departure dates are more than 4 months apart while the Schengen limit is 90 days.   We plan to spend sufficient time outside of the Schengen in Croatia, Montenegro  (or possibly Turkey) to avoid exceeding the 90 day limit.  I was told by another traveller who wanted to fly to into France with Air Canada that with an departure/return flight covering more than 90 days that he was forced to change his return ticket to a date that did not exceed the 90 day limit.  Has anyone else come up against this problem and if so what would be the best solution?  My tickets are non-refundable.

 

Best,

 

James

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

 

On Jun 15, 2019, at 3:45 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

Hi James;

 

Sorry for the late response. I was waiting to receive the e-mail address from Chris’s office. The e-mail address is corfu@...

 

Let me know if you need any further information

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 3:07 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax

 

Mohammad and Aty,

 

   Thanks for the contact information for Chris and also for the advice on the advance booking.  Half British and half Greek, that will be interesting.   I see that Gouvia is huge, 1235 slips and that advance booking can be done online.  If you should have a way to contact Chris via email that would be great to have.  If not then I will try  do so using the Gouvia marina email address provided on the website. Many thanks for the help, this will make our entry into Greece much more relaxed.  We will let Chris know that you referred him to us.

 

Best,

 

James and Joann

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

 

On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

James; the agents name is Chris with A1. He is half British and half Greek. Very nice and trustworthy guy. We’ve known him for 2 years now. His number +30 693 7165050. Let him know I referred you to him. He knows almost every one related to boating in Corfu. A great resource. 

 

There’s only one marina in Corfu, Gouvia. Can get very busy in the high season. I would highly recommend booking ahead. He can also make arrangement for you to anchor out and take your papers in by dinghy/

 

Respectfully; 

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo 

AMEL 54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 10:28 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty, 

 

  This all sounds good to me.  I especially like the point about gaining a good source of information.  Could you send me the name of the agent you used in Corfu?  Also, which marina he operates out of.  

 

  James

 

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

 

On Jun 2, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

Hi james, 

 

The cost of the agent varies, typically anywhere between 50 and 100 euros depending on the island. This can easily be done by yourself, but we’ve found that the process goes a lot smoother and the requirements a lot more lax when done by agents who typically either know the customs agents well or they are friends. 

 

The agent takes your paper work, goes and takes care of all required formalities and returns with the Greek cruising permit. There will be some other government fees that will be separate from the agent fees.

 

We do know a very nice agent in Corfu which will be the first island you will encounter sailing south from the Adriatic. We actually had him on board today for drinks while doing a sea trial with the Volvo dealer in Corfu, who again are friends.

 

In my experience you get a lot more than what you pay in agent costs. You find a Great source of information and a lot better service from others that happen to be the agents friend.

Respectfully; 

 

 

Mohammad And Aty

B&B Kokomo

54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:26 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty 

 

  Thanks for the advice and for the offer to help find an agent.    I am not sure of what the cost for this service my be but this option certainly sounds appealing for at least our first entry into Greece to insure that all of the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed.   Mostly likely we will arrive in Greece from the North so a suggestion for a Port of entry and of an agent there would be very helpful.  We will be sailing around the boot of Italy from Sardinia and we want to visit Croatia and Greece for sure.  The gulf of Kotor in Montenegro looks appealing as well.  My wife would really like to see Venice so if the conditions are good we will head up to the North end first and work our way down the West coast to Greece.  If the conditions are not favourable for the trip North up the Adriatic the general plan is to cross to the West coast to Croatia somewhere, any suggestions on a port of entry?  We will have a bit over 4 months  this season so we will need to plan to be outside the Schengen area for a bit over a month so I think Croatia and Montenegro are our two options in that regard.  Any general routing suggestions from those familiar with this area would be appreciated.

 

Best,

 

James

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

Arbatax,  Sardinia

 

On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:09 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

Hi james; 

 

There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.

 

This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.

 

Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.

 

Respectfully; 

 

 

Mohammad & Aty

B&B Kokomo

54 #099


On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad, 

 

   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?

 

Thanks,

 

James

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

Arbatax,  Sardinia

 

On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.

 

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully; 

 

 

Mohammad


On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
-- 
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece 

 

 

 

 

 


--
Brent Cameron

Future Super Maramu 2000 Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada

Re: Greek Cruising Tax

Brent Cameron
 

  • Hi James. My wife Jen and I are in a similar situation right now.  We flew out of Pearson but we were on Azores Airlines. We’re flying back out of Vienna on TAP so no cross linkages at all. Nobody in the EU seems to care how long we were there for as we were never asked how long we were staying and we crossed into and out of the EU and Schengen zone many, many times (Azores - flight, UK - flight, Austria - flight, Romania - flight, Austria - flight, Hungary - car, Slovenia - car, Italy - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Montenegro - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car, Bosnia - car, Croatia - car so far :-).   The passports get stamped with an entry and exit date every time but no “visa” or restrictions. I’m guessing they’d give you grief only if you over stayed your welcome. The Europeans are far more organized than the US, Canada or UK in that they also do exit checks and demand that hotels and B&B’s report your presence on a nightly basis.   There are signs as you enter Croatia and Montenegro that say as much but frankly they aren’t very uptight about any of it. Gazillions of tourists here and it’s going to get far worse in July/August so I suspect they have far better things to do than hassle you. Air Canada shouldn’t care on the outbound leg and if Austria didn’t care about any of our one way Ryan Air tickets in and out (being Uber efficient Germanic types) I can’t imagine you’ll have any issues anywhere else. I saw the same thing flying into Lisbon and Barcelona on TAP last fall.. I had an outbound ticket on Ryan Air to Stansted but they never even asked about it.  Good luck!

Brent

On Jun 15, 2019, 11:09 AM +0200, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...>, wrote:
Mohammad and Aty,

   Thanks for taking the time to provide the email address for Chris.  I have added this to my Greece file and will be contacting Chris soon.

   I do have another question to anyone that can help.  We have round trip tickets  via Air France out of Canada to Italy. The arrival and departure dates are more than 4 months apart while the Schengen limit is 90 days.   We plan to spend sufficient time outside of the Schengen in Croatia, Montenegro  (or possibly Turkey) to avoid exceeding the 90 day limit.  I was told by another traveller who wanted to fly to into France with Air Canada that with an departure/return flight covering more than 90 days that he was forced to change his return ticket to a date that did not exceed the 90 day limit.  Has anyone else come up against this problem and if so what would be the best solution?  My tickets are non-refundable.

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Jun 15, 2019, at 3:45 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi James;
 
Sorry for the late response. I was waiting to receive the e-mail address from Chris’s office. The e-mail address is corfu@...
 
Let me know if you need any further information
 
Respectfully;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 3:07 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax
 
Mohammad and Aty,
 
   Thanks for the contact information for Chris and also for the advice on the advance booking.  Half British and half Greek, that will be interesting.   I see that Gouvia is huge, 1235 slips and that advance booking can be done online.  If you should have a way to contact Chris via email that would be great to have.  If not then I will try  do so using the Gouvia marina email address provided on the website. Many thanks for the help, this will make our entry into Greece much more relaxed.  We will let Chris know that you referred him to us.
 
Best,
 
James and Joann
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
James; the agents name is Chris with A1. He is half British and half Greek. Very nice and trustworthy guy. We’ve known him for 2 years now. His number +30 693 7165050. Let him know I referred you to him. He knows almost every one related to boating in Corfu. A great resource. 
 
There’s only one marina in Corfu, Gouvia. Can get very busy in the high season. I would highly recommend booking ahead. He can also make arrangement for you to anchor out and take your papers in by dinghy/
 
Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo 
AMEL 54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 10:28 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty, 
 
  This all sounds good to me.  I especially like the point about gaining a good source of information.  Could you send me the name of the agent you used in Corfu?  Also, which marina he operates out of.  
 
  James
 
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi james, 
 
The cost of the agent varies, typically anywhere between 50 and 100 euros depending on the island. This can easily be done by yourself, but we’ve found that the process goes a lot smoother and the requirements a lot more lax when done by agents who typically either know the customs agents well or they are friends. 
 
The agent takes your paper work, goes and takes care of all required formalities and returns with the Greek cruising permit. There will be some other government fees that will be separate from the agent fees.
 
We do know a very nice agent in Corfu which will be the first island you will encounter sailing south from the Adriatic. We actually had him on board today for drinks while doing a sea trial with the Volvo dealer in Corfu, who again are friends.
 

In my experience you get a lot more than what you pay in agent costs. You find a Great source of information and a lot better service from others that happen to be the agents friend.

Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad And Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:26 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty 
 
  Thanks for the advice and for the offer to help find an agent.    I am not sure of what the cost for this service my be but this option certainly sounds appealing for at least our first entry into Greece to insure that all of the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed.   Mostly likely we will arrive in Greece from the North so a suggestion for a Port of entry and of an agent there would be very helpful.  We will be sailing around the boot of Italy from Sardinia and we want to visit Croatia and Greece for sure.  The gulf of Kotor in Montenegro looks appealing as well.  My wife would really like to see Venice so if the conditions are good we will head up to the North end first and work our way down the West coast to Greece.  If the conditions are not favourable for the trip North up the Adriatic the general plan is to cross to the West coast to Croatia somewhere, any suggestions on a port of entry?  We will have a bit over 4 months  this season so we will need to plan to be outside the Schengen area for a bit over a month so I think Croatia and Montenegro are our two options in that regard.  Any general routing suggestions from those familiar with this area would be appreciated.
 
Best,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia
 
On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:09 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi james; 
 
There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.
 
This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.
 
Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.
 
Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099


On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad, 
 
   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?
 
Thanks,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia
 
On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.
 

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad


On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
-- 
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece 
 
 
 
 



--
Brent Cameron

Future Super Maramu 2000 Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada

Re: Greek Cruising Tax

James Alton
 

Mohammad and Aty,

   Thanks for taking the time to provide the email address for Chris.  I have added this to my Greece file and will be contacting Chris soon.

   I do have another question to anyone that can help.  We have round trip tickets  via Air France out of Canada to Italy. The arrival and departure dates are more than 4 months apart while the Schengen limit is 90 days.   We plan to spend sufficient time outside of the Schengen in Croatia, Montenegro  (or possibly Turkey) to avoid exceeding the 90 day limit.  I was told by another traveller who wanted to fly to into France with Air Canada that with an departure/return flight covering more than 90 days that he was forced to change his return ticket to a date that did not exceed the 90 day limit.  Has anyone else come up against this problem and if so what would be the best solution?  My tickets are non-refundable.

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Jun 15, 2019, at 3:45 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi James;
 
Sorry for the late response. I was waiting to receive the e-mail address from Chris’s office. The e-mail address is corfu@...
 
Let me know if you need any further information
 
Respectfully;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 3:07 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax
 
Mohammad and Aty,
 
   Thanks for the contact information for Chris and also for the advice on the advance booking.  Half British and half Greek, that will be interesting.   I see that Gouvia is huge, 1235 slips and that advance booking can be done online.  If you should have a way to contact Chris via email that would be great to have.  If not then I will try  do so using the Gouvia marina email address provided on the website. Many thanks for the help, this will make our entry into Greece much more relaxed.  We will let Chris know that you referred him to us.
 
Best,
 
James and Joann
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
James; the agents name is Chris with A1. He is half British and half Greek. Very nice and trustworthy guy. We’ve known him for 2 years now. His number +30 693 7165050. Let him know I referred you to him. He knows almost every one related to boating in Corfu. A great resource. 
 
There’s only one marina in Corfu, Gouvia. Can get very busy in the high season. I would highly recommend booking ahead. He can also make arrangement for you to anchor out and take your papers in by dinghy/
 
Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo 
AMEL 54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 10:28 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty, 
 
  This all sounds good to me.  I especially like the point about gaining a good source of information.  Could you send me the name of the agent you used in Corfu?  Also, which marina he operates out of.  
 
  James
 
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Jun 2, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi james, 
 
The cost of the agent varies, typically anywhere between 50 and 100 euros depending on the island. This can easily be done by yourself, but we’ve found that the process goes a lot smoother and the requirements a lot more lax when done by agents who typically either know the customs agents well or they are friends. 
 
The agent takes your paper work, goes and takes care of all required formalities and returns with the Greek cruising permit. There will be some other government fees that will be separate from the agent fees.
 
We do know a very nice agent in Corfu which will be the first island you will encounter sailing south from the Adriatic. We actually had him on board today for drinks while doing a sea trial with the Volvo dealer in Corfu, who again are friends.
 

In my experience you get a lot more than what you pay in agent costs. You find a Great source of information and a lot better service from others that happen to be the agents friend.

Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad And Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:26 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty 
 
  Thanks for the advice and for the offer to help find an agent.    I am not sure of what the cost for this service my be but this option certainly sounds appealing for at least our first entry into Greece to insure that all of the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed.   Mostly likely we will arrive in Greece from the North so a suggestion for a Port of entry and of an agent there would be very helpful.  We will be sailing around the boot of Italy from Sardinia and we want to visit Croatia and Greece for sure.  The gulf of Kotor in Montenegro looks appealing as well.  My wife would really like to see Venice so if the conditions are good we will head up to the North end first and work our way down the West coast to Greece.  If the conditions are not favourable for the trip North up the Adriatic the general plan is to cross to the West coast to Croatia somewhere, any suggestions on a port of entry?  We will have a bit over 4 months  this season so we will need to plan to be outside the Schengen area for a bit over a month so I think Croatia and Montenegro are our two options in that regard.  Any general routing suggestions from those familiar with this area would be appreciated.
 
Best,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia
 
On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:09 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
Hi james; 
 
There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.
 
This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.
 
Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.
 
Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
54 #099


On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad, 
 
   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?
 
Thanks,
 
James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia
 
On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:
 
We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.
 

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully; 
 
 
Mohammad


On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
-- 
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece 
 
 
 
 


Re: Greek Cruising Tax

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi James;

 

Sorry for the late response. I was waiting to receive the e-mail address from Chris’s office. The e-mail address is corfu@...

 

Let me know if you need any further information

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 3:07 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Greek Cruising Tax

 

Mohammad and Aty,

 

   Thanks for the contact information for Chris and also for the advice on the advance booking.  Half British and half Greek, that will be interesting.   I see that Gouvia is huge, 1235 slips and that advance booking can be done online.  If you should have a way to contact Chris via email that would be great to have.  If not then I will try  do so using the Gouvia marina email address provided on the website. Many thanks for the help, this will make our entry into Greece much more relaxed.  We will let Chris know that you referred him to us.

 

Best,

 

James and Joann

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

 

On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

James; the agents name is Chris with A1. He is half British and half Greek. Very nice and trustworthy guy. We’ve known him for 2 years now. His number +30 693 7165050. Let him know I referred you to him. He knows almost every one related to boating in Corfu. A great resource.

 

There’s only one marina in Corfu, Gouvia. Can get very busy in the high season. I would highly recommend booking ahead. He can also make arrangement for you to anchor out and take your papers in by dinghy/

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo 

AMEL 54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 10:28 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty,

 

  This all sounds good to me.  I especially like the point about gaining a good source of information.  Could you send me the name of the agent you used in Corfu?  Also, which marina he operates out of.  

 

  James

 

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

 

On Jun 2, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

Hi james,

 

The cost of the agent varies, typically anywhere between 50 and 100 euros depending on the island. This can easily be done by yourself, but we’ve found that the process goes a lot smoother and the requirements a lot more lax when done by agents who typically either know the customs agents well or they are friends. 

 

The agent takes your paper work, goes and takes care of all required formalities and returns with the Greek cruising permit. There will be some other government fees that will be separate from the agent fees.

 

We do know a very nice agent in Corfu which will be the first island you will encounter sailing south from the Adriatic. We actually had him on board today for drinks while doing a sea trial with the Volvo dealer in Corfu, who again are friends.

 

In my experience you get a lot more than what you pay in agent costs. You find a Great source of information and a lot better service from others that happen to be the agents friend.

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad And Aty

B&B Kokomo

54 #099


On Jun 2, 2019, at 1:26 PM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad and Aty

 

  Thanks for the advice and for the offer to help find an agent.    I am not sure of what the cost for this service my be but this option certainly sounds appealing for at least our first entry into Greece to insure that all of the i’s are dotted and the t’s crossed.   Mostly likely we will arrive in Greece from the North so a suggestion for a Port of entry and of an agent there would be very helpful.  We will be sailing around the boot of Italy from Sardinia and we want to visit Croatia and Greece for sure.  The gulf of Kotor in Montenegro looks appealing as well.  My wife would really like to see Venice so if the conditions are good we will head up to the North end first and work our way down the West coast to Greece.  If the conditions are not favourable for the trip North up the Adriatic the general plan is to cross to the West coast to Croatia somewhere, any suggestions on a port of entry?  We will have a bit over 4 months  this season so we will need to plan to be outside the Schengen area for a bit over a month so I think Croatia and Montenegro are our two options in that regard.  Any general routing suggestions from those familiar with this area would be appreciated.

 

Best,

 

James

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

Arbatax,  Sardinia

 

On Jun 1, 2019, at 3:09 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

Hi james;

 

There are several agents in most ports of entry in Greece. Most agents have counterparts that they work with in neighboring countries. We always ask for referrals from the agent we check out with for the next port of entry for the country we plan to check in.

 

This system has always worked for us. I find that most good people like to do business with people who have similar philosophy in business.

 

Let me know where you intend to check in at and I can try to find you a referral.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad & Aty

B&B Kokomo

54 #099


On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:11 AM, James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:

Mohammad,

 

   Thanks for the excellent information in your reponses.  Was it very expensive to hire an agent to handle your paperwork?   Any suggestions for locating or hiring an agent?

 

Thanks,

 

James

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

Arbatax,  Sardinia

 

On May 31, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

We just had our agent in Corfu handle the tax payment for us since the website kept crashing and not everyone knows the exact process yet.

 

It was pretty painless. Our information is 8 Euros/meter per month. So for a 12 meter yacht, that comes out to 96 Euros.

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad


On May 31, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

You can either put your boat on the hard or deposit your boatspapers to the next Hellenic Coastguard to not  to pay this tax.
If you are a happy owner of an Amel Sharki (11.95 meter) you pay only 33,- Euro each month when cruising in Greece waters.
Be careful about the Hellenic Coastguard. Last weekend a motorboat owner was fined with 100,- Euro in Messinian Bay in front of Kalamata because his driving license was not in greece language.
The website for registration the boat tax (see link above) is very strange to handle.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

 

 

 

 

Re: supplemental downwind sailing configuration for Super Maramu

eric freedman
 

James,
We use an ATN sock to launch and douse the sail. Very quick and simple.
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

-----Original Message-----
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Cromie via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 2:09 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] supplemental downwind sailing configuration for Super Maramu

Thanks Gerald.
I certainly could fly the ballooner free, but I’m looking for a larger surface area sail that will give greater range of AWA, as well as having a back up sail to the ballooner I have in case that were to blow apart…
I will likely have the sail made such that the foot of the sail is elevated off of the deck in order to clear the pulpit.

Alternatively, I could use a sock and rig the clew outboard of the pulpit, but I suspect I will end up not using it as much in that case.
A furler would allow me to quickly reel in the sail if the weather changes, as well as take it in at night and deploy in the morning.

-James
On May 29, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Gerald Bassin <gerald.bassin@...> wrote:

Quite right James
The issue here, is to get clear of the genoa forestay,motor and top swivel.
Then you have the pulpit to worry about with your downhaul...

and for Paul's question: would I do it again...?
well in the Med I used that sail quite a lot... not so in the Caribbean eventhough on the lee side of some island with light winds we just keep moving...

So I'm not quite sure as we had lots of problems before we got a working system...


Just have to pay attention when getting close to the channels and furl the anaconda in due time...

Rgrds to all

G
....
So why not use the ballooner without forestay then?


On 29/05/2019 17:21, James Cromie via Groups.Io wrote:
Thanks for the info. on your rig Gerald. Do you believe that the
top-down furler could be attached to the anchor point just above the
anchor in the pulpit and avoid using a bow sprit? If you did this, I
imagine you might need to elevate the furler mechanism with a 2:1
adjustable downhaul so that it could be raised to allow adequate
clearance from the gearbox housing.
Thanks,
James
On May 29, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Gerald Bassin <gerald.bassin@...> wrote:
Hi Paul
Here a few pics.
The bow sprit is a standard Selden product.
The "horse shoe" front attachement was custom made in Antigua after the Selden bolts of the original attachement broke during the Atlantic crossing (of course withe the sail up! but I confirm, the pullpit is solid and averted more damage).The Selden design does not allow for a lot of side forces I think.
The tail end box was also custom made in France to get the proper angle. It's basically a stainlesssteel box.
We have a port and a starbord halyard in order to clear the genoa top swivel. Huge chaffing problems before we arrived at that solution.
It is still possible to open the stbd lazarette and if we disconnect the aft end of the bow sprit, the acces to the cleat is granted.
The whole thing slides back out quite easily ro reduce LOA!!
The code D is attached to an anti torsion forestay so when it's rolled you have a kind of Anaconda which you can store in a 5-6ft sail bag.
Unfortunately during our last 4 season in the Caribbean (Dec-May), the wind was often to strong or from the wrong direction to use it...
Here also a link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7nPSdkYP98
Feel free to ask more questions !
Rgrds
Gerald
On 29/05/2019 14:04, Paul Osterberg wrote:
Gerald looks great
Do you have any pictures on the bow sprit? Who made it? We also want a
detachable, else one has to pay for it each time hauling out.
When the code D is furled how much space does it take? is it easy to
find storage for it?
assume you diesel consumption reduced since you got it?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259
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our super Maramu bowsprit.

eric freedman
 

I had our bowsprit fabricated in St Marten years ago.  The pole is removable from the attachment fixture with one allen bolt. It was not expensive.

It takes up no room on deck and works well with out 1400 sq foot gennaker. Our gennaker is made out of heavier material. 1,5 oz and can be flown in 25+ knots true down wind.

The block is a spring loaded harken. Very simple and easy to install and manage.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Osterberg
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 11:16 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] supplemental downwind sailing configuration for Super Maramu

 

Thank you Gerard
I think by substituting the Selden aluminium tube with a SS one, strength in all direction will be improved.
How long does it protrude from the bow fittings? I discussed this with Selden and they recommend a water stay.
It involve  lot of money the whole thing, Furler, halyards, down haul, sheets, sail and bowsprit, I guess close to 10 000 Euoro, was it worth it? would you do it again?
Paul 

Re: gross and net tonnage

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Dennis and Paul et al,
Do note that Gross and Net Tons have nothing to do with what your boat weighs.  They are volume measures originally used for tax to be paid on the volume of cargo. It has nothing to do with what your boat weighs on the travel-lift and you don't need to "fudge" the USCG formula to get what you think the boat weighs - that's wrong.  Here is an excerpt from the USCG's publication:
"2. GROSS / NET TONNAGE VS. DISPLACEMENT TONNAGE This Guide addresses gross and net tonnage, which relate to vessel volume and appear on a documented vessel's Certificate of Documentation (COD). Gross and net tonnage is widely used as the basis for vessel regulation and assessment of taxes and fees. Gross and net tonnage is not to be confused with displacement or weight tonnage, often expressed in "pounds", "tons" or "long tons".
Click on this link to read the publication and be able to correctly calculate your boat's Gross and Net Tonnage (which again, is NOT displacement or weight tonnage).
https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/DCO%20Documents/Marine%20Safety%20Center/Tonnage/Tonnage%20Guide%201%20-%20Simplified%20Measurement.pdf?ver=2017-06-09-123757-680

Good luck with it - it is really quite easy once you get the idea of weight out of your mind - it is not weight.

Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris Gross 31T Net 28T and it weighs about 11 tons on the travel lift.

Re: gross and net tonnage

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

A while back our 54 was weighed by a travel-lift at about 23 metric tons.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of sbmesasailor via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 June 2019 18:43
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] gross and net tonnage

 

I was impacted by this issue in many marinas as well.  The problem as I recall is due to a formula that USCG uses to compute your Gross and Net.  The formula is based on the length, width, and depth.  You have to fudge the dimensions to get the weight figures to come out right.  As the length is most important to most non-weight considering marinas, you need to fudge the width and/or depth numbers.

 

Nobody ever checked my fudged numbers on the width and depth and I never had to overpay for a lighter boat again.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu 121

Circled the world 2011-2017


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: gross and net tonnage

sbmesasailor
 

I was impacted by this issue in many marinas as well.  The problem as I recall is due to a formula that USCG uses to compute your Gross and Net.  The formula is based on the length, width, and depth.  You have to fudge the dimensions to get the weight figures to come out right.  As the length is most important to most non-weight considering marinas, you need to fudge the width and/or depth numbers.

Nobody ever checked my fudged numbers on the width and depth and I never had to overpay for a lighter boat again.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu 121
Circled the world 2011-2017

Re: Bow thruster seals

David Cummane
 

Jose

Well done for offering to replicate the seals for others.  I would love 2 sets if possible.

I would suggest using transferwise, or its equivalent, for payments - easy for international transfers and very clear regarding the amount the beneficiary receives.  Paypal and other payment providers discount the fees from the payment so the sender doesn't see the exact amount the beneficiary receives.  If you lose 5% on all these seals it might annoy you!

Thanks

David
SM#101

Re: Passerelle rope - Opacmare

 

Tony,

Yes, I added Acquamare Marine to Yacht School Preferred Vendors and they have locations in the UK, USA and Australia.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 12:39 AM tony wells via Groups.Io <tony.wells=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all

Thanks for responses last month regarding my search for an Opacmare passerelle rope supplier.

There is a firm in the UK charging approx 30% less than some Med-based suppliers. They are also willing to keep one in stock for Amel owners and ship worldwide. 

Bill Rouse has added Acquamare Marine to his preferred vendors list. They provide a range of products and a discount for Amel Owners - check the link for precise details 

https://preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_11.html

Best wishes,

Tony & Lel Wells
A54 Balthazar #102, Greece

Passerelle rope - Opacmare

tony wells
 

Hi all

Thanks for responses last month regarding my search for an Opacmare passerelle rope supplier.

There is a firm in the UK charging approx 30% less than some Med-based suppliers. They are also willing to keep one in stock for Amel owners and ship worldwide. 

Bill Rouse has added Acquamare Marine to his preferred vendors list. They provide a range of products and a discount for Amel Owners - check the link for precise details 

https://preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_11.html

Best wishes,

Tony & Lel Wells
A54 Balthazar #102, Greece

Re: Bow thruster seals

eric freedman
 

Lo Siento Jose,

I thought it was Danny placing the order.

Please order 2 sets for me.

I can send you $$ via PayPal if you wish.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 12:19 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow thruster seals

 

Hi eric  its Jose who had the seals.

Regsrds

Dsnny

On 14 June 2019 at 15:37 eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Danny,

I would also like 2 sets of seals.

Sounds like a great idea and they can be changed while the boat is in the water.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jose Venegas via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 1:32 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow thruster seals

 

Danny,
I understand very well how the system SHOULD work and, if everything is new, the seals should work as designed.  Unfortunately, wear can change the system and, in my case nothing worked to stop the leak, including several adjustments of cable tension, and increasing compression by the pin.  As I said in my previous e-mails, I believe the problem occurs because the wear of the surfaces between the hull and the thruster that guide its motion result in a misalignment between the trunk and the seal, causing a lateral force on the lip seal which makes it incompetent allowing water intake.  The misalignment also results in the sealing surfaces between the donut seals and the hull are no longer parallel affecting its sealing action.   Following Amel instructions and wasting seals, money and time I realized that the problem could be corrected by designing a seal that would be made of a softer material and have lips that could maintain the seal in the presence of misalignment.   That solved the problem 3 years ago and I have had a dry bilge ever since.!!
In my design, I used two seals in series: a silicone wiper below and a silicone u-cup on top. This results in a slight protrusion of the seal above the horizontal fiberglass surface, as it can be seen in the pix I sent before.    I used silicone glue to secure the seals in place and was planning to add washers to secure them to the fiberglass, but after several months of procrastination, I realized that the glue was sufficient to keep the seals in place.  3 years later, using the thruster twice per week, almost every week during 6 months each summer, including a Marion to Bermuda race the seals are still working as new.  Since I add silicone grease to the trunk every year and, given the number of times (~50/year) that I use the thruster,   I am expecting that they will last a very long time.  So far I have serviced the thruster every year but have decided not to change any of the seals, including the donut seals, which looked in excellent condition.

I just received the quote from the seal manufacturer and it is as follows:

10 pcs. Silicone wiper $ 31.65ea.

10 pcs. Silicone u-cup  $ 32.50ea.


This it will be about $65 per set plus shipment and It will take  14-17 business days to ship from the order

so far I have received requests from:

Bob Ross, sv Nomad, Trinidad (1 set) 
Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece (?sets)
Chuck_Kim_Joy (? sets)

Steve Davis Aloha SM72  Ko Olina, Hawaii (? sets)
Mark, Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 (? sets)
Dan Taylor (2 sets)

Gerald Bassin Jetlag, SM113 (2 sets)

Since I want to place the order this week I will appreciate if each of you can e-mail me directly with your e-mail, the number of sets you want and the address two where it should be shipped.   
We still need to figure out the cost of shipping to each one of you and how you will transfer me the money, but given that is something we can figure out later.


Jose 
Ipanema SM2k 278, Boston