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Re: Toilet Pumps to bilge???

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

Would a product like Salt-Away dissolve the salt build-up, or would vinegar be sufficient?

Thanks,
Duane


Re: Fixed Port Lights - Maramu

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

I get the 'four ports' now
vocaburay richer 
did replace plexi on previous boat & used Sika 295UV, on primer Sika 209
choice of sealant is important, but procedure to remove existing without damage to structure or bolt holes, & positionning new one is of utmost importance !
On old boat I did edit Lewmar technical guide & Goiot recommendations & read carefully before tackling the job.
Did go hzardly well (with usual hicups with bolts holes & alignments) until completion, & waterproof test.
wishing you success & clear view of sky & sea 

christian - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Canet en Roussillon




Le jeudi 27 juin 2019 à 03:45:21 UTC−4, Andy via Groups.Io <allezaubon@...> a écrit :


Hi Christian ,

Thanks for your feedback.

Apologies for the unintended ambiguity.

We are changing the four fixed a acrylic /Perspex windows, two port and starboard in the saloon and two in the aft cabin.

We see the saloon =E2=80=9C windows=E2=80=9D are 8mm thick and the aft cabin=
only 6mm.

We believe they may be original !!

We believe Sikaflex has been used as the sealant.
We intend to reseal using Dow 795 .

Apologies about not attaching the thumbnail. I had some
issues posting it  ;-)

Trust above is helpful by way of clarification.

Fair winds

Andy Croney
SV Paladin
Maramu #75



Stuck top furling

ngtnewington Newington
 

Fixed:
What happened: the lashing between head is sail and top drum failed. The top drum sprang into the black plastic stop at the top of foil and jammed solid.
Could not winch it down.
After sleeping on it. I figured to drop the aluminium foil to bottom of the Bamar, a good 50cm drop. This gave me room to see what was going on. Then on inspection I could see that the Amel arms that thread onto nuts were the culprit. Backed out the arms and prised the nuts free. Then the drum was easy and smooth to drop.

Lessons:
1. Use dyneema for top lashing on all the sails.
2. Maybe fly Genoa very slightly lower down the foil. Leaving say six inches to the black end cap when tensioned.
3. Sleep on it and think....
Amelia AML 54-019
Corfu


Re: Toilet Pumps to bilge???

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you Marc
Should the antisifone be on the suction side or pressure side, or does it not matter? 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 


Re: Fixed Port Lights - Maramu

Andy Croney
 

Hi Christian ,

Thanks for your feedback.

Apologies for the unintended ambiguity.

We are changing the four fixed a acrylic /Perspex windows, two port and starboard in the saloon and two in the aft cabin.

We see the saloon =E2=80=9C windows=E2=80=9D are 8mm thick and the aft cabin=
only 6mm.

We believe they may be original !!

We believe Sikaflex has been used as the sealant.
We intend to reseal using Dow 795 .

Apologies about not attaching the thumbnail. I had some
issues posting it ;-)

Trust above is helpful by way of clarification.

Fair winds

Andy Croney
SV Paladin
Maramu #75


Re: Toilet Pumps to bilge???

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi duane. Me too

Danny

Sm 299

Ocean pearl

On 27 June 2019 at 04:44 "Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io" <carlylelk@...> wrote:

On Wanderer, when we run one of the toilet pumps, enough of the seawater goes to the bilge to activate the bilge pump (of course the bilge had to be partially full for this to happen, or the seawater pump was run for a longer time).

The seawater lines to the toilets have a vent loop in the engine room that has a tube going into the bilge.  As far as I can see there isn't a mechanical vent there.  So the conclusion I come to is that the seawater lines are clogged.  I haven't heard about this on the forum here so I'm wondering: is this common?

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Toilet Pumps to bilge???

karkauai
 

On SM243 the fill pumps for the heads draw water from separate thru-hulls in the “hallways” just inboard of the heads, near the center of the boat.  There are no vent loops for either head.

Kent & Iris
Kristy SM243

On Jun 26, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Paul,

Not having an anti-siphon valve on the anchor wash pump shouldn't be an issue because the hose goes well above the water line so that even when heeled over saltwater should not be able to flow through the hose. And even if it did, it would just be pumped overboard out the front of the boat!

However, there definitely should be anti-siphon valves in each of the toilet water feed lines.  The Amel manual even states that they are there in the section on Toilets. My understanding is that this is because the hoses that run to the toilets are either right at or right below the waterline and they are certainly BELOW the waterline when you are on a starboard tack.  Given that, seawater from the intake could flow into the toilets if there is not at least a loop of line that goes ABOVE the waterline preventing water from flowing from the manifold into the toilet.  Amel uses a full anti-siphon valve and not just a high loop.  See this article for a primer on anti-siphon valves:  https://www.boatus.com/magazine/2018/april/anti-siphon-valves.asp

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Anchors

karkauai
 

Only advice I can give about anchoring technique is in soft mud (lots on the Chesapeake).  Let your anchor settle into the mud for a while, then back down on it slowly to give it time to find it’s way into more packed mud deeper down.

I didn’t find the Delta to hold reliably in any conditions when the wind or current changed the direction of pull.  A couple of potential disasters when we dragged and didn’t reset.
After 7 years, my Rocna 40kg nearly always sets the first time and has only dragged twice when fouled on debris.  I just bought an 85lb Mantus to carry as a spare primary as it comes apart and lays flat in the bottom of the bow locker.  I carry two Fortress anchors to use as second anchor in very rare conditions.

I gave the Delta away.

Kent & Iris
Kristy SM243

On Jun 26, 2019, at 3:37 PM, Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

I bought my 55 April 2018 and anchored the majority of the time last season in various bottom conditions using the delta anchor over the wasi as I found the wasi to drag easily in mid and weed and difficult to set well. The delta which is also much lighter the wasi would set very well and usually on the first attempt. I find the wasi to only set well in sand,,, am I doing something wrong I wonder? I’m considering a Rocna or Ultimate as the primary and keep the delta as the secondary, it’s easy to launch from a dingy also.


Slatted floor in sail locker

Arno Luijten
 

Hi All,

We tend to store the fenders inside the forward locker as the rear locker is used for other stuff and it has no draining capability. To improve draining in the forward locker I have created an elevated floor so water can drain more easy. I had to make it into two parts so you can remove it. The whole thing is screwed and glued together. Under the lower slats there are small plastic feet/discs to prevent the wood from sitting in water. I'm still thinking about painting the thing, although the wood is hard-wood.

Maybe some other Amel user finds this information useful.

Cheers,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Toilet Pumps to bilge???

Mark McGovern
 

Paul,

Not having an anti-siphon valve on the anchor wash pump shouldn't be an issue because the hose goes well above the water line so that even when heeled over saltwater should not be able to flow through the hose. And even if it did, it would just be pumped overboard out the front of the boat!

However, there definitely should be anti-siphon valves in each of the toilet water feed lines.  The Amel manual even states that they are there in the section on Toilets. My understanding is that this is because the hoses that run to the toilets are either right at or right below the waterline and they are certainly BELOW the waterline when you are on a starboard tack.  Given that, seawater from the intake could flow into the toilets if there is not at least a loop of line that goes ABOVE the waterline preventing water from flowing from the manifold into the toilet.  Amel uses a full anti-siphon valve and not just a high loop.  See this article for a primer on anti-siphon valves:  https://www.boatus.com/magazine/2018/april/anti-siphon-valves.asp

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Engine room hatch foam insulation panel

Thomas Kleman
 

Hoping for a good idea here. About once every two years my foam insulation panel starts separating from the hatch. I then go to an autoparts store in whatever country I'm in and buy a can of stray glue and am good for another two years. As it happened again this afternoon I thought I would check to see if a more permanent solution is known to the group.

Thomas Kleman
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422
San Andres, Colombia


Re: Anchors

Paul Brown
 

I bought my 55 April 2018 and anchored the majority of the time last season in various bottom conditions using the delta anchor over the wasi as I found the wasi to drag easily in mid and weed and difficult to set well. The delta which is also much lighter the wasi would set very well and usually on the first attempt. I find the wasi to only set well in sand,,, am I doing something wrong I wonder? I’m considering a Rocna or Ultimate as the primary and keep the delta as the secondary, it’s easy to launch from a dingy also.


Re: Toilet Pumps to bilge???

 

The anchor wash pump does not need an anti-siphon vent. 

The anti-siphon vent was installed on the toilet "supply pump" lines in SMs that used "shared saltwater" via the saltwater manifold. The anti-siphon ensured that no water from the toilet would siphon back to the shared saltwater system. I suspect your SM toilet gets its saltwater from something other than the saltwater manifold.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:27 PM Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:
I have no vent on my sea water pump for the toilets. Nor for the anchor wash pump either. Should that be a problem?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Horta Azores 


Re: Anchors

Dean Gillies
 

Now there’s an interesting thing. I also had trouble with the Wasi and changed for a 40kg Rocna. I left the Delta on the port roller. Maybe I should replace the Delta with the Wasi if it fits beside the Rocna 40. Hmmm!!
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154


Re: Toilet Pumps to bilge???

Paul Osterberg
 

I have no vent on my sea water pump for the toilets. Nor for the anchor wash pump either. Should that be a problem?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Horta Azores 


Re: Secondary Anchor Suggestion for SM?

karkauai
 

I always use seizing wire so the shackle bolt can’t back out.  Ugh, expensive lesson!

After losing my ROCNA and 300 ft of chain in a serious blow against the tidal current (steep short seas and violent motion), with a 9/16” line securing it to the big cleat, I am now securing it with a strap clamp and backup line.  Before heading out again I’m making a dedicated cable with a pelican-style lamp to snug it up tight.

Kent
Kristy SM243

On Jun 26, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io <carlylelk@...> wrote:

I recently lost the 44# Brittany that was on the port bow roller.  It came up missing after a particularly rough night along the coast of the Dominican Republic.

Any suggestions on what to replace it with that will fit with the 30kg St. Steel Bugel?  I'm keeping an eye out for a used 44# Brittany.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

PS:  How did the Brittany get lost?  I had recently unscrewed the bolt (it was looking a bit rusty) to be sure it wasn't rusted solid with the nut and coated it with some corrosion resistant grease.  Then reinstalled it and tightened it.  Apparently there was enough vibration to back the bolt out.  Like I said, it was a rough night.  This is one case where it would have been better not to worry about the corrosion...  I'm pretty sure this was a replacement bolt that wasn't a very high grade of stainless.


Re: Toilet Pumps to bilge???

 

The seawater toilet pump anti-siphon lines can get blocked with salt. It will be very obvious with a buildup of salt at the top. And, of course these anti-siphon lines either drain (if not blocked) into the gray water, or overflow (if blocked into the gray water.

If the gray water level is close to triggering the pump-out of gray water, the amount of saltwater passing into the gray water tank from the anti-siphon system can be enough to trigger the pump switch.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 11:44 AM Duane Siegfri via Groups.Io <carlylelk=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Wanderer, when we run one of the toilet pumps, enough of the seawater goes to the bilge to activate the bilge pump (of course the bilge had to be partially full for this to happen, or the seawater pump was run for a longer time).

The seawater lines to the toilets have a vent loop in the engine room that has a tube going into the bilge.  As far as I can see there isn't a mechanical vent there.  So the conclusion I come to is that the seawater lines are clogged.  I haven't heard about this on the forum here so I'm wondering: is this common?

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Jammed top roller Genoa

ngtnewington Newington
 

I am hoping to shed some light on my current problem. I did a short sail today in 10 kn of true wind. The Genoa halyard needed some tension so I cranked the halyard but actually the lashing had perished. After a few seconds, maybe 30 I saw that the sail was coming down. So I quickly tacked with headsail backed and dropped it on deck. I then anchored off Corfu town and found a friendly Frenchman to winch me up the mast. Alas the top furling drum is completely jammed. It went up easily when I cranked it, probably right up maybe off the foil I do not know. Now I am stuck. I tried winching it down. I tried winching it up. Solid.
I really do not want to drop the for-stay unless I have to. Any ideas?
Nick
Amelia AML54-019
anchored off Corfu town


Secondary Anchor Suggestion for SM?

Duane Siegfri
 

I recently lost the 44# Brittany that was on the port bow roller.  It came up missing after a particularly rough night along the coast of the Dominican Republic.

Any suggestions on what to replace it with that will fit with the 30kg St. Steel Bugel?  I'm keeping an eye out for a used 44# Brittany.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

PS:  How did the Brittany get lost?  I had recently unscrewed the bolt (it was looking a bit rusty) to be sure it wasn't rusted solid with the nut and coated it with some corrosion resistant grease.  Then reinstalled it and tightened it.  Apparently there was enough vibration to back the bolt out.  Like I said, it was a rough night.  This is one case where it would have been better not to worry about the corrosion...  I'm pretty sure this was a replacement bolt that wasn't a very high grade of stainless.


Re: Anchors

Barry Connor
 

No Bill,
Sorry, I bent my 33kg Wasi, see “How to straighten a bent boat anchor” on YouTube”, the Wasi bent when I lifted it after it dragged in weed during a 35 - 40 knot blow at night and then snagged in rocks which woke me up. I now have a 40kg Rocna and it really digs in. The 40kg Rocna is the largest I think you can fit on a 54. I was told that the stainless steel was not as strong as the galvanized.
I have the Wasi as a secondary on the Port roller.

Best

Barry and Penny
“Lady Penelope II”
AMEL 54. #17
Preveza Greece


On Jun 26, 2019, at 18:58, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Wasi, Wasi, Wasi.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:09 PM Courtney Gorman via Groups.Io <Itsfun1=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Nick I think you should stick with the Wasi I believe you get a more consistent stick
Cheers
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
Dominica 🇩🇲
> On Jun 25, 2019, at 9:10 AM, ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> I have three anchors on Amelia;
> 1. The original 33kg WASI Bugel supplied by Amel, currently my main anchor.
> 2. A 40kg Delta set up on the port windlass; so my second anchor.
> 3. A large aluminium Fortress that disassembles located in the Lazarette locker as my third.
>
> The question is; should I use the Delta 40kg as my primary rather than the WASI? They would sit better on the bow if the WASI was to port and the Delta to starboard.
> Put another way. So between a 33kg WASI and a 40Kg Delta which will hold better?
> Nick
> Anchored off Corfu town
> Amelia 54-019
>
>
>