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Masse - and Masse + lights

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Dear Amel Group Friends

 

I’m asking you guys if someone had the same or similar experience and what is your advice for my question:

 

I have a Negative Leak light on the 24V Pump-Motor of the Dessalator Duo. There is a Bonding wire (yellow/green) that runs from the Bonding strap in the grey-water sink to the Dessalator. But this wire is disconnected on the Dessalator unit. When I’m connecting the 24v pump directly to the bonding system the negative leak remains. Light is still on. 

 

The light does only switching OFF when I’m switching the pump on, or if I’m disconnecting the negative wire. 

BTW:  I cannot see any corrosion on the Dessalator unit. The DC motor itself has no contact to saltwater, - it's only the pressure pump in contact with saltwater (but no 24V connection).

 

- Does it mean I need a new 24V DC Motor? 

- Are there any longterm experiences what can happen if a negative (or positive) light is not fixed? 

- What is the affect and result of a longterm neg. vs pos. leak?

 

It’s very easy to get miliAmps of current on a 24V motor with brushes and wires, etc. Are we AMELies to paranoid with these lights?

 

Best regards

Ruedi

P.S. I still not fully understand how these lights working. To my understanding it is indication a leak from Masse - and Masse + against the AMEL bonding system. Maybe I’m wrong?


Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2019 um 14:21
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Masse - and Masse + lights

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In the circumstance you describe, the light indicates that there is a connection (resistance) between either the positive or negative and the case of the macerator pump. That "connection" is usually saltwater leaking past the seal on the pump. It is an "early warning system" that your seal is leaking and your pump will fail. A switch such as you suggest will certainly be a "see no evil" solution.🙈😀 You could accomplish the same by disconnection the yellow/green wire from the case, but, don't you really want to know when you have a seal leak.
 
Best,

Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St.
Galveston, Texas 77550
832-380-4970



On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:25 PM <derickgates@...> wrote:
[Edited Message Follows]

I have been diligently checking the Masse- and + lights in the companionway. Over the past 5 years when one of the lights go on (usually the Masse - ) I go and disconnect the power lines to the forward or aft head and sure enough, the leak of current to ground stops and I replace that Jabsco pump. Recently the Masse light did not go out until I had unplugged both the heads at the same time, indicating to me that both the head pumps were leaking to ground.

It occurs to me that instead of replacing the pump, I could just install a toggle switch to the offending brown or blue wire, so that I can turn the circuit on when anyone uses the head, and turn it off in the interim.  Then I could continue to use the offending pump until it dies a natural death.

Am I fooling myself or would installing that switch stop the current leakage to the Amel bonding system?

Derick Gates
SM2K #400 Brava


Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Allen,
I had my rigging changed with mast up in Grenada by “Turbulence” rigging.  It took a couple of days, and was done in pairs, so say both port and starboard cap shrouds were taken off, then new made up and fitted, tensioned snug. Etc until the whole job was done. Then finally tuned and fully tensioned.
In terms of inspecting the mast, I believe it is easier whilst up  apart from seeing the underside of the bottom where it is stepped.

Nick
Amelia near Corfu
AML 54-019


On 2 Jul 2019, at 05:21, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Alan,

I had Kimberlite re-rigged by the Amel riggers in Martinique last year. It was beautiful to watch.

It took two men 2 days to do with the mast in place.

They took down the port and starboard wires in pairs , made up the rigging with Acmo components and put them back in place. While they were changing the rigging another person was polishing the chainplates.

 

After watching this done I cannot understand why the  rigger you spoke to wants to take down the mast. While the headstay was down they also rebuilt the genoa furler.

 

I would suggest you speak to another rigger, They can inspect the top of the mast in place..

If I am not mistaken Amel suggests every 15 years, My rigging was 16 years old. I had them cut open a few swages and no rust in them and no problems after 80,000 miles.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 2:50 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway.
I have ordered rigging from Acmo and the riggers are quite happy to let me change it out once it is on the ground which saves a few dollars.
My questions are, does the rig need to be pulled every 7 years?
While the mast is down what other maintenance items are advisable to do? I will be servicing motors, gearboxes, checking foils, swivels, running a couple of new wires and spot painting corrosion.
What other important jobs am I missing?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Annapolis, MD

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

eric freedman
 

Hi Alan,

I had Kimberlite re-rigged by the Amel riggers in Martinique last year. It was beautiful to watch.

It took two men 2 days to do with the mast in place.

They took down the port and starboard wires in pairs , made up the rigging with Acmo components and put them back in place. While they were changing the rigging another person was polishing the chainplates.

 

After watching this done I cannot understand why the  rigger you spoke to wants to take down the mast. While the headstay was down they also rebuilt the genoa furler.

 

I would suggest you speak to another rigger, They can inspect the top of the mast in place..

If I am not mistaken Amel suggests every 15 years, My rigging was 16 years old. I had them cut open a few swages and no rust in them and no problems after 80,000 miles.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2019 2:50 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway.
I have ordered rigging from Acmo and the riggers are quite happy to let me change it out once it is on the ground which saves a few dollars.
My questions are, does the rig need to be pulled every 7 years?
While the mast is down what other maintenance items are advisable to do? I will be servicing motors, gearboxes, checking foils, swivels, running a couple of new wires and spot painting corrosion.
What other important jobs am I missing?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Annapolis, MD

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Alan,

I strongly believe that "easier" is the key word. I think you should consider other riggers. I also believe that this re-rig with unstepping masts will be more costly than necessary. Any rigger worth his salt can inspect every square inch of a mast by climbing the mast.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970 (If I do not have your number in My Contacts, you will go to VoiceMail. Text me in advance with your number and I'll white list it.)



On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:31 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
He said to be able to have a good look over everything and easier to do rigging with the mast pulled.
M Yacht Rigging in Annapolis and yes I know you only recommend a couple of other riggers
Alan Grayson
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Sent: Monday, 1 July 2019 10:22:57 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig
 
Did these riggers say why every seven years? And which riggers?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 1:49 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway.
I have ordered rigging from Acmo and the riggers are quite happy to let me change it out once it is on the ground which saves a few dollars.
My questions are, does the rig need to be pulled every 7 years?
While the mast is down what other maintenance items are advisable to do? I will be servicing motors, gearboxes, checking foils, swivels, running a couple of new wires and spot painting corrosion.
What other important jobs am I missing?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Annapolis, MD

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Alan Grayson
 

He said to be able to have a good look over everything and easier to do rigging with the mast pulled.
M Yacht Rigging in Annapolis and yes I know you only recommend a couple of other riggers
Alan Grayson
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Sent: Monday, 1 July 2019 10:22:57 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig
 
Did these riggers say why every seven years? And which riggers?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 1:49 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway.
I have ordered rigging from Acmo and the riggers are quite happy to let me change it out once it is on the ground which saves a few dollars.
My questions are, does the rig need to be pulled every 7 years?
While the mast is down what other maintenance items are advisable to do? I will be servicing motors, gearboxes, checking foils, swivels, running a couple of new wires and spot painting corrosion.
What other important jobs am I missing?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Annapolis, MD

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Did these riggers say why every seven years? And which riggers?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 1:49 PM Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:
Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway.
I have ordered rigging from Acmo and the riggers are quite happy to let me change it out once it is on the ground which saves a few dollars.
My questions are, does the rig need to be pulled every 7 years?
While the mast is down what other maintenance items are advisable to do? I will be servicing motors, gearboxes, checking foils, swivels, running a couple of new wires and spot painting corrosion.
What other important jobs am I missing?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Annapolis, MD

Pulling the mast to rerig

Alan Grayson
 

Hello, I'm about to rerig our Super Maramu and the riggers are saying that they would prefer to pull the masts and that it should be done every 7 years or so anyway.
I have ordered rigging from Acmo and the riggers are quite happy to let me change it out once it is on the ground which saves a few dollars.
My questions are, does the rig need to be pulled every 7 years?
While the mast is down what other maintenance items are advisable to do? I will be servicing motors, gearboxes, checking foils, swivels, running a couple of new wires and spot painting corrosion.
What other important jobs am I missing?
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai SM 406
Annapolis, MD

Re: Carib Marine rigging email address

Dave Robards
 

His name is Gaetan Rivet. email is gaetan@.... I am here for the same purpose. Just talked to him this morning.

Re: Code D sail

 

Code D is a type of cut of a sail. The words "Code D" could be registered in France by anyone. Frenc registration has no impact on anyone outside of the EU.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970 (If I do not have your number in My Contacts, you will go to VoiceMail. Text me in advance with your number and I'll white list it.)



On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 11:09 AM Gerald Bassin <gerald.bassin@...> wrote:
Hi James

I use a code D.
Code D is a registered name by Delta voiles....
So what the turkish sail maker is manufacturing is... something else
maybe?

Check :
http://deltavoiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Voiles-de-Portant-cruising-CODE-D.pdf
  in french or
in english
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7nPSdkYP98

Brgrds

Gerald Bassin
Jetlag
SM#113




On 28/06/2019 16:08, James Cromie via Groups.Io wrote:
> To any Amel SM owner with a code D sail:
>
> I am planning to get a code D sail to complement my downwind sailing
> kit.
>
> I am wondering what sail size, dimensions, and material (and cloth
> weight) other use for this sail or similar.
> Q sails in Turkey is offering a 130 sqm Code D made with PN 150 which
> has a weight of 1.75 sm-oz.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> James
> Soteria. 347
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/message/46512
> [2] https://groups.io/mt/32242130/1768002
> [3] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/post
> [4] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/editsub/1768002
> [5]
> https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged



Re: Carib Marine rigging email address

Roque
 

Duane

Try gaetan@...  ( gaetan at caraibe-greement.fr )

Best

Roque
Attika A54 117
Santos- Brazil


Carib Marine rigging email address

Duane Siegfri
 

I'm having trouble contacting Gaetaen (sp?) at Caribbean Marine on Martinique. Does anyone have an email address for him?  I'm trying to arrange for rigging for Wanderer in the next few months. 
Thanks, 
Duane
Wanderer, SM477

Replacing rubber parts in Vetus Type 6 Flexible coupling 35mm shaft

James Alton
 

Hello,
   Looking for advice on the disassembly and replacement of the rubber parts on what appears to be an original Vetus Type 6 Flexible coupling on the 35mm shaft of my1987  Marmu.  (No C drive)  If I will  need any specialty tools such as the collar wrench for the job please let me know.  

Thanks,

James Alton
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

Re: Do you know S/V FAYAL owner?

Roque
 

Dear Mark

Thank you, I am touched. Judging by the kind words you took the time to write, I am sure you would do the same in similar circumstances.   

Roque

Attika A54 # 117

Santos- Brazil 

Em sex, 28 de jun de 2019 às 13:11, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> escreveu:

Roque,

I do not know the owner of S/V Fayal, but I want to say "Thank you!" to you for offering your help and assistance to a complete stranger and fellow Amel owner.  It is another example of what makes our ownership community so unique and so fantastic!  Thank you!


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: Code D sail

Gerald Bassin
 

Hi James
I’ m not on the boat until december and do not have the exact data of the sail. Mine was made by the shop in Port Camargue  S France in 2015. 
Mr Ferrari might have those data...
It ‘s ca 130 sqm. 
Do you plan to have a bow sprit installed and where will the hallyard be (above or below the genoa hallyard)?
I had quite a strugle to make everything wirk without chaffing issues

Brgrds
Gerald


On 29 Jun 2019, at 20:54, James Cromie via Groups.Io <jamescromie@...> wrote:

Thank you Gerald.  Yes, I am aware of the Delta Voiles sail.  For lack of a better name, some seem to refer to it as a Code D, since it is somewhere between a Code zero and an asymmetric spinnaker.  Sort of like Kleenex perhaps.  Is there is another term I should use to refer to this type of sail?

Do you happen to know the dimensions of your sail and cloth weight?

Kindly, 
James



On Jun 29, 2019 12:08, Gerald Bassin <gerald.bassin@...> wrote:

Hi James

I use a code D.
Code D is a registered name by Delta voiles....
So what the turkish sail maker is manufacturing is... something else
maybe?

Check :
http://deltavoiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Voiles-de-Portant-cruising-CODE-D.pdf
  in french or
in english
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7nPSdkYP98

Brgrds

Gerald Bassin
Jetlag
SM#113




On 28/06/2019 16:08, James Cromie via Groups.Io wrote:
> To any Amel SM owner with a code D sail:
>
> I am planning to get a code D sail to complement my downwind sailing
> kit.
>
> I am wondering what sail size, dimensions, and material (and cloth
> weight) other use for this sail or similar.
> Q sails in Turkey is offering a 130 sqm Code D made with PN 150 which
> has a weight of 1.75 sm-oz.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> James
> Soteria. 347
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/message/46512
> [2] https://groups.io/mt/32242130/1768002
> [3] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/post
> [4] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/editsub/1768002
> [5]
> https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged




Re: Code D sail

James Cromie
 

Thank you Gerald.  Yes, I am aware of the Delta Voiles sail.  For lack of a better name, some seem to refer to it as a Code D, since it is somewhere between a Code zero and an asymmetric spinnaker.  Sort of like Kleenex perhaps.  Is there is another term I should use to refer to this type of sail?

Do you happen to know the dimensions of your sail and cloth weight?

Kindly, 
James



On Jun 29, 2019 12:08, Gerald Bassin <gerald.bassin@...> wrote:

Hi James

I use a code D.
Code D is a registered name by Delta voiles....
So what the turkish sail maker is manufacturing is... something else
maybe?

Check :
http://deltavoiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Voiles-de-Portant-cruising-CODE-D.pdf
  in french or
in english
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7nPSdkYP98

Brgrds

Gerald Bassin
Jetlag
SM#113




On 28/06/2019 16:08, James Cromie via Groups.Io wrote:
> To any Amel SM owner with a code D sail:
>
> I am planning to get a code D sail to complement my downwind sailing
> kit.
>
> I am wondering what sail size, dimensions, and material (and cloth
> weight) other use for this sail or similar.
> Q sails in Turkey is offering a 130 sqm Code D made with PN 150 which
> has a weight of 1.75 sm-oz.
>
> Many thanks!
>
> James
> Soteria. 347
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/message/46512
> [2] https://groups.io/mt/32242130/1768002
> [3] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/post
> [4] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/editsub/1768002
> [5]
> https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged




Re: Code D sail

Gerald Bassin
 

Hi James

I use a code D.
Code D is a registered name by Delta voiles....
So what the turkish sail maker is manufacturing is... something else maybe?

Check : http://deltavoiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Voiles-de-Portant-cruising-CODE-D.pdf in french or
in english
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7nPSdkYP98

Brgrds

Gerald Bassin
Jetlag
SM#113

On 28/06/2019 16:08, James Cromie via Groups.Io wrote:
To any Amel SM owner with a code D sail:
I am planning to get a code D sail to complement my downwind sailing
kit.
I am wondering what sail size, dimensions, and material (and cloth
weight) other use for this sail or similar.
Q sails in Turkey is offering a 130 sqm Code D made with PN 150 which
has a weight of 1.75 sm-oz.
Many thanks!
James
Soteria. 347
Links:
------
[1] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/message/46512
[2] https://groups.io/mt/32242130/1768002
[3] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/post
[4] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/editsub/1768002
[5] https://AmelYachtOwners.groups.io/g/main/leave/defanged

Re: Creampuff congratulations !!!

Mark Erdos
 

Thanks Eric!

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 12:48 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Creampuff congratulations !!!

 

I JUST READ YOUR POST ABOUT YOUR TRANSIT IN THE OCC FACEBOOK PAGE.

Great story.

Congratulations again.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Creampuff congratulations !!!

eric freedman
 

I JUST READ YOUR POST ABOUT YOUR TRANSIT IN THE OCC FACEBOOK PAGE.

Great story.

Congratulations again.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Engine room blower- what I learned

Thomas Kleman
 

My 2 yr old mastervolt 100 amp charger failed; it's replacement (100 amp victron) did an ambient temp partial shutdown. My observation was that the 220 volt blower activated by the genset was very weak. I decided to replace it.

The blower that is failing is a Climma Compact EH blower. Tried new capacitor; still little air. At first wasn't sure why Amel chose this route and not a strong 220 volt industrial extractor fan. Now I know; 10 hrs of research yielded no suitable replacement in this area. Marine extractor blowers are all 12 or 24 volts. Nothing found that's 220.

I considered a 12 or 24 volt replacement like the other blowers in the engine room. My 100 amp victron charger has starter battery connections I could use. I almost never run the genset without the big charger on. Problem- starter battery port on victron puts out 4 amps; blower needs 5.3. Considered connection 12 amp blower to genset alternator circuit but feared same problem. Considered 24 volt blower to a separate switch in galley; maybe I'd forget to turn it on and I like stupid-proof solutions. I grudgingly came to the conclusion that Amel did it this way because it was the most elegant solution.

Called coastal climate control in Maryland. They had a slightly used blower with capacitor and steel mounting (exact match) for $130. Decided to go in that direction as my attempt to innovate yielded no better options.

If this saves one owner some time it's worth it.

Thomas Kleman
SM2K 422

Re: Do you know S/V FAYAL owner?

Mark McGovern
 

Roque,

I do not know the owner of S/V Fayal, but I want to say "Thank you!" to you for offering your help and assistance to a complete stranger and fellow Amel owner.  It is another example of what makes our ownership community so unique and so fantastic!  Thank you!


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA