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Re: Hot water pressure and hot water accumulator tank

 

Thomas, the purpose of the hot water accumulator tank is to take care of the increased pressure in the hot water system caused by heating the water. Heating water increases the pressure in a closed system and increased pressure can harm components. The accumulator does not increase the storage of hot water.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 11:13 AM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:
Bill- thanks as always for the great info. So this tank is just an 8 liter reservoir for my basic 40 ? Does it only allow ingress under some kind of pressure ?  If not it merely expands my basic 40 into a basic 48, I suppose the additional 20 pct capacity prevents my pressure relief valve from tripping ?


Re: Hot water pressure and hot water accumulator tank

Thomas Kleman
 

Bill- thanks as always for the great info. So this tank is just an 8 liter reservoir for my basic 40 ? Does it only allow ingress under some kind of pressure ?  If not it merely expands my basic 40 into a basic 48, I suppose the additional 20 pct capacity prevents my pressure relief valve from tripping ?


Re: Spar painting in the Eastern Med

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Greg;

We hauled out at Manoel
island in Malta last year. Although I do not have first hand experience, I was told by a reliable source that they had very good painting contractors in Malta.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099

On Jul 14, 2019, at 9:33 AM, Gregory Shea via Groups.Io <gmshea=hotmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all,
I have a problem with the paint blistering on my spars and wanted to get them repainted. I am in Greece and wondered if anyone had any experience with a project like this, in the Eastern Med. I'm guessing Emek in Turkey is a possibility, with their Amel track record. Cleopatra in Preveza declined. Any suggestions?


Greg Shea
Sharki 133
Cap des Iles



Re: Hot water pressure and hot water accumulator tank

 

Thomas,

On your SM the hot water pressure accumulator tank was originally located between the water heater and the port side of the engine room.

Unfortunately, I have seen some owners remove this tank when it starts leaking. I assume they feel that there is no harm, but actually, they are over-pressurizing the hot water side of their freshwater system. This can cause many issues. If you no longer have the Amel-installed accumulator tank for the hot water system, you should install a 4-8 liter accumulator tank. It is normally connected to the hot water system via a hose from the freshwater manifold which is mounted on the aft bulkhead of the engine room. See photo below and note red circle on the hose.
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Also see an image of a page from my Amel Book, attached.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 9:20 AM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:
Bill- I definitely have no accumulator tank in the circuit. I just thought all these years that the basic 40 had a relief valve set too low (7 bar ?). These relief valves tend to last me 1-2 years (I buy them in bulk). Can you send me a pic of the correct setup ? I've never seen one.

Thomas Kleman
SM2K 422 L'ORIENT
Panama


Re: Hot water pressure

Craig Briggs
 

Tom has identified his problem - no expansion tank, but I think this topic started with Mawgan's problem of no hot water flowing after he installed a new tank.
Mawgan, how did that work out?


Re: Spar painting in the Eastern Med

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Greg,
Check out Agmar Marine's Partheni Boatyard next to the airport on the north end of Leros. Very skilled workers and, although I didn't have painting done, I did see their work and it was exceptional. It was several years ago I was there, but have heard from others that's it's still good.
Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris


Re: Hot water pressure

Thomas Kleman
 

Bill- I definitely have no accumulator tank in the circuit. I just thought all these years that the basic 40 had a relief valve set too low (7 bar ?). These relief valves tend to last me 1-2 years (I buy them in bulk). Can you send me a pic of the correct setup ? I've never seen one.

Thomas Kleman
SM2K 422 L'ORIENT
Panama


Re: Liftplan and measures Amel 54 for shipping document

 

SevenStar is perfect for this. I am sending you a private message.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 8:23 AM CARINA HAMMARLUND <syultimo@...> wrote:
Hi Bill,
yes it is Seven Star. I saw that you used them at one occasion a couple of years back.
--
Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


Re: Liftplan and measures Amel 54 for shipping document

CARINA HAMMARLUND
 

Hi Bill,
yes it is Seven Star. I saw that you used them at one occasion a couple of years back.
--
Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


Re: Spar painting in the Eastern Med

Paul Brown
 

I would not recommend Emek from my experience and sighting some of their other customers completed work.

Regards, Paul... Sent from my iPhone

On 14 Jul 2019, at 17:33, Gregory Shea <gmshea@...> wrote:

Hi all,
I have a problem with the paint blistering on my spars and wanted to get them repainted. I am in Greece and wondered if anyone had any experience with a project like this, in the Eastern Med. I'm guessing Emek in Turkey is a possibility, with their Amel track record. Cleopatra in Preveza declined. Any suggestions?


Greg Shea
Sharki 133
Cap des Iles



Spar painting in the Eastern Med

Gregory Shea
 

Hi all,
I have a problem with the paint blistering on my spars and wanted to get them repainted. I am in Greece and wondered if anyone had any experience with a project like this, in the Eastern Med. I'm guessing Emek in Turkey is a possibility, with their Amel track record. Cleopatra in Preveza declined. Any suggestions?


Greg Shea
Sharki 133
Cap des Iles


Re: Liftplan and measures Amel 54 for shipping document

 

Is the shipping company SevenStar?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 7:17 PM CARINA HAMMARLUND <syultimo@...> wrote:
Hi,
We´re planning to ship our Amel 54 from Phuket to Europe next year.
The shipping company need some documentation and all measures of the boat.
Is there anyone  else within this forum that have done this and maybe have this plan/drawing in place?
I have tried to find it in our Amel owners manual and in the Amel users guide but unfortunately I can not find it anywhere...

Cheers,
--
Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


Liftplan and measures Amel 54 for shipping document

CARINA HAMMARLUND
 

Hi,
We´re planning to ship our Amel 54 from Phuket to Europe next year.
The shipping company need some documentation and all measures of the boat.
Is there anyone  else within this forum that have done this and maybe have this plan/drawing in place?
I have tried to find it in our Amel owners manual and in the Amel users guide but unfortunately I can not find it anywhere...

Cheers,
--
Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


Re: Hot water pressure

michael winand
 

On a brand new water heater they have a plastic plug in the connections. This may have been pushed into the connection. This can happen in transit. 

On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 at 2:42 am, CW Bill Rouse
<brouse@...> wrote:
Thomas,

You should have an accumulator tank installed in the hot water circuit near the water heater. This will accommodate the increase pressure when the main engine reaches an operating temperature of 80C. The rubber bladder inside the accumulator tank may be defective. When the accumulator tank bladder leaks, the accumulator tank can no longer function. You should check for this.  If the accumulator tank  has been removed, you should replace it.

If you have an accumulator tank  and the bladder is OK, the next time the relief valve opens, measure the temperature of the engine at the coolant water pump or the oil filter. It should be 80C after the engine has been running for 1 hour in normal weather conditions. If it is higher than 8%, you may have an issue with your engine.

I hope that this helps you and others with this issue.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 8:45 AM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:
On my basic 40 the pressure relief valve is constantly tripping (especially when water is heated by running engine). Also the sealing o-ring can deform and block part of the flow. I'd check those things too.


Re: Hot water pressure

 

Thomas,

You should have an accumulator tank installed in the hot water circuit near the water heater. This will accommodate the increase pressure when the main engine reaches an operating temperature of 80C. The rubber bladder inside the accumulator tank may be defective. When the accumulator tank bladder leaks, the accumulator tank can no longer function. You should check for this.  If the accumulator tank  has been removed, you should replace it.

If you have an accumulator tank  and the bladder is OK, the next time the relief valve opens, measure the temperature of the engine at the coolant water pump or the oil filter. It should be 80C after the engine has been running for 1 hour in normal weather conditions. If it is higher than 8%, you may have an issue with your engine.

I hope that this helps you and others with this issue.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 8:45 AM Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:
On my basic 40 the pressure relief valve is constantly tripping (especially when water is heated by running engine). Also the sealing o-ring can deform and block part of the flow. I'd check those things too.


Re: Hot water pressure

Thomas Kleman
 

On my basic 40 the pressure relief valve is constantly tripping (especially when water is heated by running engine). Also the sealing o-ring can deform and block part of the flow. I'd check those things too.


Re: Hot water pressure

 

You didn't say, but the obvious would be that you mixed up the connections between the engine and the the water system. This is easy to do, especially because the orientation of these connection change between different model heaters. If, you have the above issue, you likely have some engine coolant inside the hot water lines and will need to completely flush it out. 

Additionally, I have seen the copper Amel-made connection elbows become completely clogged. This is easy to see and clean. 

I hope this helps you. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 12:39 AM Mawgan grace via Groups.Io <gashman=ymail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all,

I’ve just replaced my hot water heater and I’ve got no hot water pressure! Cold water is great with the pump cutting in and out but the hot water is a dribble. I’ve checked no air locks etc.. any ideas?

regards

Mawgan

SV Adela #310 SM


Re: Hoping to tour an Amel Santorin in USA

david bruce
 

Thank you for the recommendation Jean Pierre.  

Best,  Dave

sv Liesse  SN 006


On Jul 12, 2019, at 1:47 PM, Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...> wrote:

Hello Will,

I have an SM fully refurbished by some inept Euro places.  However, I found one place where the work, engineering and ethics is fantastic.

It is yacht concept Mallorca.  Peter Kuklok is Geman and trained to a Degree in marine engineering.  He is now a friend and recommend you contact him or at least look at his website. Many other Amel owners have gone to him and everyone is satisfied.

Good luck

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, Suva, Fiji

On 12 Jul 2019, at 16:59, davidcbruce57@... wrote:

Hi Will,  

We have a Santorin sloop, purchased in southern France, early model, SN006, but w an incredible investment by the former owner in the 3 yrs prior to our purchase, equal to cost of boat actually.  Having only coastal cruised so far we are really happy with the openness and simplicity of the sloop, but I can appreciate the comments regarding the balance of the rig, and I am adding a staysail stay to increase sail handling options, which would not be necessary with the ketch rig. (although several listed do have this modification i note). 

Regarding the aft berth, at 5’11” I do sleep a bit kitty cornered since I tend to have my arms under the pillow, which makes it a bit tight, if not for this it would be fine.  

Regarding purchasing in the Med, I would caution you of the logistical and financial implications of equipping the boat for your plans for long distance passage making, as very few boats in the Med are equipped as such.  We are faced with this, and the challenges include the exchange rate, the VAT, the language barriers, as well as varying levels of work ethic, shall we say,

  We are part time cruising at present and having work done in absentia is frought with potential hazards and expenses.  I am deciding where to have the bigger ticket items such as arch and solar array, install of SSB, auxiliary form of self steering, water maker done.  At present we are considering Turkey, but given the challenges we’ve had with even relatively minor type issues i am approaching all this with some trepidation.  

We do love the boat, it’s manageable, stable, comfortable, and safe. I do agree with Ian, that it’s a bit simpler than the SM, less expensive to buy and own, but a washing machine and stand up walk through to the aft cabin do have a certain appeal……. 

Good luck, I think you are making a great choice and if you have any questions feel free to contact me directly. 

Best regards,  Dave Bruce,  sv Liesse,  SN006




On Jul 11, 2019, at 2:40 PM, Scott Brown <sbrown@...> wrote:

Hi Will,

I’ve spent a couple of nights sleeping in the aft cabin of a Maramu, I’m 6 feet tall and found it quite comfortable. I’m assuming the Santorin dimensions are comparable but hopefully someone can verify this?

I’ve also heard of a few owners who have customised the aft cabin layout to incorporate a larger bed, so I’m sure there are ways to squeeze in taller owners :o)

Have you considered a Maramu? There are more on the market and they will often be lower in price than Santorin’s.

Aesthetically I prefer the sugar scoop rear of the Santorin but beyond this I think they are quite similar - anyone care to chime in with any other major differences between the two models?

Not sure if you have looked around a Super Maramu? If your budget can stretch, the additional space will be most welcome if you plan to have guests on board on a regular basis. If you plan to sail solo or as a couple, then the Santorin, Maramu or even the Sharki would be perfect. 

Good luck with your search.

Best wishes,

Scott



On 11 Jul 2019, at 17:29, Will Marks <William.L.Marks@...> wrote:

Hey Ian,
Thanks for the heads up about the aft berth. At 6'1" it may be a little tight, but I can't imagine ruling out the boat over that unless it totally egregious and I have to sleep in the fetal position. A very generous forum member has already emailed me with an offer to let us visit their boat in Florida, so will hopefully get a chance to find out for myself very soon.

The only Santorin that I have ever stepped aboard, circa 2009 in Carriacou, was owned by a rather tall German couple. I believe the boat was named Cayenne. Unless I am totally mis-remembering the gentleman's stature, it would suggest that they found a way to make it work. 

A much appreciated tip, either way.

-Will





Hot water pressure

Mawgan grace
 

Hi all,

I’ve just replaced my hot water heater and I’ve got no hot water pressure! Cold water is great with the pump cutting in and out but the hot water is a dribble. I’ve checked no air locks etc.. any ideas?

regards

Mawgan

SV Adela #310 SM


Re: Hoping to tour an Amel Santorin in USA

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Will,

I have an SM fully refurbished by some inept Euro places.  However, I found one place where the work, engineering and ethics is fantastic.

It is yacht concept Mallorca.  Peter Kuklok is Geman and trained to a Degree in marine engineering.  He is now a friend and recommend you contact him or at least look at his website. Many other Amel owners have gone to him and everyone is satisfied.

Good luck

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, Suva, Fiji

On 12 Jul 2019, at 16:59, davidcbruce57@... wrote:

Hi Will,  

We have a Santorin sloop, purchased in southern France, early model, SN006, but w an incredible investment by the former owner in the 3 yrs prior to our purchase, equal to cost of boat actually.  Having only coastal cruised so far we are really happy with the openness and simplicity of the sloop, but I can appreciate the comments regarding the balance of the rig, and I am adding a staysail stay to increase sail handling options, which would not be necessary with the ketch rig. (although several listed do have this modification i note). 

Regarding the aft berth, at 5’11” I do sleep a bit kitty cornered since I tend to have my arms under the pillow, which makes it a bit tight, if not for this it would be fine.  

Regarding purchasing in the Med, I would caution you of the logistical and financial implications of equipping the boat for your plans for long distance passage making, as very few boats in the Med are equipped as such.  We are faced with this, and the challenges include the exchange rate, the VAT, the language barriers, as well as varying levels of work ethic, shall we say,

  We are part time cruising at present and having work done in absentia is frought with potential hazards and expenses.  I am deciding where to have the bigger ticket items such as arch and solar array, install of SSB, auxiliary form of self steering, water maker done.  At present we are considering Turkey, but given the challenges we’ve had with even relatively minor type issues i am approaching all this with some trepidation.  

We do love the boat, it’s manageable, stable, comfortable, and safe. I do agree with Ian, that it’s a bit simpler than the SM, less expensive to buy and own, but a washing machine and stand up walk through to the aft cabin do have a certain appeal……. 

Good luck, I think you are making a great choice and if you have any questions feel free to contact me directly. 

Best regards,  Dave Bruce,  sv Liesse,  SN006




On Jul 11, 2019, at 2:40 PM, Scott Brown <sbrown@...> wrote:

Hi Will,

I’ve spent a couple of nights sleeping in the aft cabin of a Maramu, I’m 6 feet tall and found it quite comfortable. I’m assuming the Santorin dimensions are comparable but hopefully someone can verify this?

I’ve also heard of a few owners who have customised the aft cabin layout to incorporate a larger bed, so I’m sure there are ways to squeeze in taller owners :o)

Have you considered a Maramu? There are more on the market and they will often be lower in price than Santorin’s.

Aesthetically I prefer the sugar scoop rear of the Santorin but beyond this I think they are quite similar - anyone care to chime in with any other major differences between the two models?

Not sure if you have looked around a Super Maramu? If your budget can stretch, the additional space will be most welcome if you plan to have guests on board on a regular basis. If you plan to sail solo or as a couple, then the Santorin, Maramu or even the Sharki would be perfect. 

Good luck with your search.

Best wishes,

Scott



On 11 Jul 2019, at 17:29, Will Marks <William.L.Marks@...> wrote:

Hey Ian,
Thanks for the heads up about the aft berth. At 6'1" it may be a little tight, but I can't imagine ruling out the boat over that unless it totally egregious and I have to sleep in the fetal position. A very generous forum member has already emailed me with an offer to let us visit their boat in Florida, so will hopefully get a chance to find out for myself very soon.

The only Santorin that I have ever stepped aboard, circa 2009 in Carriacou, was owned by a rather tall German couple. I believe the boat was named Cayenne. Unless I am totally mis-remembering the gentleman's stature, it would suggest that they found a way to make it work. 

A much appreciated tip, either way.

-Will