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Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Lior;

The pressure switch is a mechanical switch that uses springs. The springs sometimes get rusty and old and do not function reliably and consistently. These switches are relatively inexpensive and in my opinion, better to replace than try to fix, when they start to get unreliable. However, some cleaning and lubricating the springs and connections, may work temporarily.

As far as the on and off pressures, we have set ours at 1.4 bars on and 3.0 bars off. You can vary these numbers a bit based on personal preference in water pressure and how often the pump cycles.

Going off memory, I believe that we have set the pressure inside the accumulator at 1.4 bars. This combination gives us good pressure and a good length of time between cycles. You can measure the pressure in the accumulator with a simple auto tire pressure gauge.

Respectfully;


Mohammad &Aty
Amel 54 #099
B&B Kokomo

On Jul 16, 2019, at 2:03 PM, Chen Melamed via Groups.Io <cm@...> wrote:

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נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

‫ב-16 ביולי 2019, בשעה 14:57, ‏‏Lior Keydar via Groups.Io ‏<sharona246@...> כתב/ה:‬

Hello everybody

The A.M.F.A fresh water pump stop sometimes working. After I give a soft "kick" on the pressure switch, it start working again. It looks like that the switch sometime does not start after the pressure goes down and when it start, the pressure goes up slowly.
Does anyone has any advise? can you please write me what is the hi and low pressure that it should work? and how much I should pump the accumulator tank (and how to measure it) ? I think it could be a dust somewhere?

Thanks a lot 
Lior, SHARONA A54 #18


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

 

I have never seen a combined product. 

BTW, I like the galvanic isolators with a gauge. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 3:55 AM Eamonn Washington <eamonn.washington@...> wrote:
Hi

thanks for the input and Bill’s advice and diagrams.

Only 10A relays are available locally, so I have to wait 2 days for a 40A replacement relay to be sent.  I will put in a final note when it is working, including the brand of replacement relay and price.  I think this should be added to the spares list for the older Amels.

Regarding the addition of the breaker in the aft lazarette on the shore power, I was think of adding a 32A galvanic isolator there anyway.  Is there any combined product that could do both jobs that you suggest I could order?

Thanks
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicliy, Italy.


Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

 

You either need a new Square D pressure switch, and it adjusted correctly, or you need to adjust the current switch. If you have never adjusted the switch, you may find the 2 adjustments difficult as it is not intuitive.

Don't kick it as the rubber mounts will easily break.

Amel installed 2 different A.M.F.A/Reya fresh water pumps. The 66b and 88b. The 66b cutoff pressure is about 2.0 bar...turn ON at about 0.6 bar. The 88b settings are higher.

The accumulator air pressure should be measured with 0 bar water pressure in the freshwater system. Generally the air pressure should be 10-15% less than the cutoff water pressure.

There is a lot more in my 400 page Amel Book.


CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 6:57 AM Lior Keydar via Groups.Io <sharona246=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello everybody

The A.M.F.A fresh water pump stop sometimes working. After I give a soft "kick" on the pressure switch, it start working again. It looks like that the switch sometime does not start after the pressure goes down and when it start, the pressure goes up slowly.
Does anyone has any advise? can you please write me what is the hi and low pressure that it should work? and how much I should pump the accumulator tank (and how to measure it) ? I think it could be a dust somewhere?

Thanks a lot 
Lior, SHARONA A54 #18


Re: A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

Chen Melamed
 

ליאור???

נשלח מה-iPhone שלי

‫ב-16 ביולי 2019, בשעה 14:57, ‏‏Lior Keydar via Groups.Io ‏<sharona246@...> כתב/ה:‬

Hello everybody

The A.M.F.A fresh water pump stop sometimes working. After I give a soft "kick" on the pressure switch, it start working again. It looks like that the switch sometime does not start after the pressure goes down and when it start, the pressure goes up slowly.
Does anyone has any advise? can you please write me what is the hi and low pressure that it should work? and how much I should pump the accumulator tank (and how to measure it) ? I think it could be a dust somewhere?

Thanks a lot 
Lior, SHARONA A54 #18


A.M.F.A fresh water pump on A54

Lior Keydar <sharona246@...>
 

Hello everybody

The A.M.F.A fresh water pump stop sometimes working. After I give a soft "kick" on the pressure switch, it start working again. It looks like that the switch sometime does not start after the pressure goes down and when it start, the pressure goes up slowly.
Does anyone has any advise? can you please write me what is the hi and low pressure that it should work? and how much I should pump the accumulator tank (and how to measure it) ? I think it could be a dust somewhere?

Thanks a lot 
Lior, SHARONA A54 #18


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Eamonn Washington
 

Hi

thanks for the input and Bill’s advice and diagrams.

Only 10A relays are available locally, so I have to wait 2 days for a 40A replacement relay to be sent.  I will put in a final note when it is working, including the brand of replacement relay and price.  I think this should be added to the spares list for the older Amels.

Regarding the addition of the breaker in the aft lazarette on the shore power, I was think of adding a 32A galvanic isolator there anyway.  Is there any combined product that could do both jobs that you suggest I could order?

Thanks
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicliy, Italy.


Refueling from Deck

James Sterling
 

An auto siphon, also called a jigger will empty a 5 gallon container in less than a minute.  I would only dispense direct to tank with fuel I trust otherwise I'd pre-filter it through a Baha Filter.  It's a fast way to add on fuel while underway with no mess.


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

 

In early model SMs the Shore/Generator relay switch box was located in the Lazarette, in later models behind the generator.

Attached is a page from my Amel Book showing both locations.

It is important to note that there was no breaker protection at the point of entry on all SMs. These shore power wires are getting old and many are beyond life expectancy. When replacing the shore power wire on a SM, te owner might consider leaving the old wire in place from the generator/shore power relay control box that we are discussing to a point inside the port side of the Lazarette. At that point install a double pole 20 amp breaker on a newly installed box. From this newly installed box and breaker install a new shore power wire and plug.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 11:29 AM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Bill,

 

Mine is located behind the genset. I may have been relocated by the previous owner when the Charles Isolation Transformer was installed in the lazarette.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 10:47 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore power contactor burnt out

 

Mark,

 

The contactor relay is not in the engine room on early SMs. See the photo I attached earlier. It is inside the cockpit lazarette. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 9:25 AM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Eamonn,

 

I put the switch in the engine room in the same location as the contactor.  This was the easiest location since it did not require splicing or replacing the main power cable. The switch required a larger junction box. I never start the genset without checking the oil so popping down to the engine room to change the switch is not a big deal. However, there have been a few times when I wish I had located the switch next to the remote start in the galley. If I had to do it over, I’d probably put it here.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eamonn Washington
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 8:31 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore power contactor burnt out

 

Thanks for the explanation Mark.

I rarely connect to shore power (650W solar panels), but I’ll try to replace it with an equivalent automatic switch.  But out of interest, if you install a manual switch, did you place it in an easier to access location (like near the generator switch in the galley)?  I might do that if it fails again.

Thanks again
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicliy, Italy.


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

James Cromie
 

One thing that this contactor failure illustrates is that they do have a lifespan - whether it is a contactor used in standard domestic, marine, or other purposes.  Additionally, I have noted terminals can loosen over time - particularly with contactors where there can be repeated vibration / jarring.  This, in addition to possible corrosion, can cause terminals to loosen or have poor continuity, resulting in high resistance and ultimately melting components or causing fire.  

I know there are more experienced people on the forum than myself (electrical engineers, etc), but this illustrates the importance of checking electrical connections in the various circuits regularly (particularly those that carry high amperage), and ensuring that lugs are tightened and terminals are clean.    I know I’m preaching to the choir…  Perhaps I’m writing what I’m reminding myself of doing!

-James
Soteria SM 347


On Jul 15, 2019, at 9:05 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Eamonn,
 
I put the switch in the engine room in the same location as the contactor.  This was the easiest location since it did not require splicing or replacing the main power cable. The switch required a larger junction box. I never start the genset without checking the oil so popping down to the engine room to change the switch is not a big deal. However, there have been a few times when I wish I had located the switch next to the remote start in the galley. If I had to do it over, I’d probably put it here.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eamonn Washington
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 8:31 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore power contactor burnt out
 
Thanks for the explanation Mark.

I rarely connect to shore power (650W solar panels), but I’ll try to replace it with an equivalent automatic switch.  But out of interest, if you install a manual switch, did you place it in an easier to access location (like near the generator switch in the galley)?  I might do that if it fails again.

Thanks again
-- 
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicliy, Italy. 



Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Mark Erdos
 

Bill,

 

Mine is located behind the genset. I may have been relocated by the previous owner when the Charles Isolation Transformer was installed in the lazarette.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 10:47 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore power contactor burnt out

 

Mark,

 

The contactor relay is not in the engine room on early SMs. See the photo I attached earlier. It is inside the cockpit lazarette. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 9:25 AM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Eamonn,

 

I put the switch in the engine room in the same location as the contactor.  This was the easiest location since it did not require splicing or replacing the main power cable. The switch required a larger junction box. I never start the genset without checking the oil so popping down to the engine room to change the switch is not a big deal. However, there have been a few times when I wish I had located the switch next to the remote start in the galley. If I had to do it over, I’d probably put it here.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eamonn Washington
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 8:31 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore power contactor burnt out

 

Thanks for the explanation Mark.

I rarely connect to shore power (650W solar panels), but I’ll try to replace it with an equivalent automatic switch.  But out of interest, if you install a manual switch, did you place it in an easier to access location (like near the generator switch in the galley)?  I might do that if it fails again.

Thanks again
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicliy, Italy.


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

 

Mark,

The contactor relay is not in the engine room on early SMs. See the photo I attached earlier. It is inside the cockpit lazarette. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 9:25 AM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Eamonn,

 

I put the switch in the engine room in the same location as the contactor.  This was the easiest location since it did not require splicing or replacing the main power cable. The switch required a larger junction box. I never start the genset without checking the oil so popping down to the engine room to change the switch is not a big deal. However, there have been a few times when I wish I had located the switch next to the remote start in the galley. If I had to do it over, I’d probably put it here.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eamonn Washington
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 8:31 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore power contactor burnt out

 

Thanks for the explanation Mark.

I rarely connect to shore power (650W solar panels), but I’ll try to replace it with an equivalent automatic switch.  But out of interest, if you install a manual switch, did you place it in an easier to access location (like near the generator switch in the galley)?  I might do that if it fails again.

Thanks again
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicliy, Italy.


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Mark Erdos
 

Eamonn,

 

I put the switch in the engine room in the same location as the contactor.  This was the easiest location since it did not require splicing or replacing the main power cable. The switch required a larger junction box. I never start the genset without checking the oil so popping down to the engine room to change the switch is not a big deal. However, there have been a few times when I wish I had located the switch next to the remote start in the galley. If I had to do it over, I’d probably put it here.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eamonn Washington
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 8:31 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore power contactor burnt out

 

Thanks for the explanation Mark.

I rarely connect to shore power (650W solar panels), but I’ll try to replace it with an equivalent automatic switch.  But out of interest, if you install a manual switch, did you place it in an easier to access location (like near the generator switch in the galley)?  I might do that if it fails again.

Thanks again
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicliy, Italy.


Re: Super Maramu

 

I saw SM hull #1. It has the fan, as does all SMs I have seen. There is also a fiber filter for the fan located above the stove that needs cleaning and/or replacing at least once a year.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 8:12 AM amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:
All SM 53's have a galley extractor fan. Be sure to remove the fiberglass Amel arrow  insignia  on the port side and place some aluminum gridding like what is used at the bottom of a screen door as a kick panel over the hole where the extractor vents. Rats love the smell of this area and can gain access to the interior of the boat through this area. A medium sized rat can squeeze through any hole marginally larger than their heads. I am aware of this from personal experience.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Jul 14, 2019, at 7:28 PM, jimbo ken <jimbokennedy@...> wrote:

Seems a strange question to ask - but 

Do all SM's have a extraction fan over the cooktop - I seem to see some pictures with them - and others it is hard to tell.
Or was this an option that only some had?

Jimbo


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

 

Is this the box:
image.png
If so, Mark is correct...and more importantly, failure of this relay means that you should not operate the generator until the relay is replaced, or the relay is replaced with a traditional 220 volt shore power-generator power selector switch is installed. The image above is from my Amel Book.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 7:31 AM Eamonn Washington <eamonn.washington@...> wrote:
Thanks for the explanation Mark.

I rarely connect to shore power (650W solar panels), but I’ll try to replace it with an equivalent automatic switch.  But out of interest, if you install a manual switch, did you place it in an easier to access location (like near the generator switch in the galley)?  I might do that if it fails again.

Thanks again
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicliy, Italy.


Re: Super Maramu

amelforme
 

All SM 53's have a galley extractor fan. Be sure to remove the fiberglass Amel arrow  insignia  on the port side and place some aluminum gridding like what is used at the bottom of a screen door as a kick panel over the hole where the extractor vents. Rats love the smell of this area and can gain access to the interior of the boat through this area. A medium sized rat can squeeze through any hole marginally larger than their heads. I am aware of this from personal experience.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Jul 14, 2019, at 7:28 PM, jimbo ken <jimbokennedy@...> wrote:

Seems a strange question to ask - but 

Do all SM's have a extraction fan over the cooktop - I seem to see some pictures with them - and others it is hard to tell.
Or was this an option that only some had?

Jimbo


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Eamonn Washington
 

Thanks for the explanation Mark.

I rarely connect to shore power (650W solar panels), but I’ll try to replace it with an equivalent automatic switch.  But out of interest, if you install a manual switch, did you place it in an easier to access location (like near the generator switch in the galley)?  I might do that if it fails again.

Thanks again
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicliy, Italy.


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Mark Erdos
 

This LC1 D25008 is the switch that changes you automatically from shore/genset power. The wiring of this device can be somewhat confusing to the novice. If you are unsure, get an electrician.

 

The device needs to be replaced. It probably melted due to corrosion on the bare ends of the wires. This causes heat and then fire. You will need to trim back the wire cable to check for damaged wire.

 

I had two of these devices fail on Cream Puff and because of this I opted to replace it with a manual switch. Since we live on the boat full time we are either at anchor or on the hook. Changing over the manual switch is not a big deal. I installed one of these: https://www.bluesea.com/products/9019/AC_Rotary_Switch_-_OFF_%2B_2_Positions_240V_AC_65A

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eamonn Washington
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 7:01 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore power contactor burnt out

 

Hi

yesterday I connected to 220V shore power, sockets worked as usual. Then I switched on the 220V battery charger and aircon.  A few seconds later all 220V power stopped and there was a burning smell in the galley and the large port cockpit locker.  No breakers gone on shore or the boat.  No possibility to get shore power working again.  The inverter still works but did not try the generator (due to an abundance of caution).

Today I traced the shore power cable to the forward end of the large port cockpit locker, behind the insulation and removable end panel. There was a lot of ash, which was never there before (I clean every year).  I opened the grey box that the mains cable terminated in, and there was evidence of melted electrical insulation and a lot of soot. Inside there was a “device” with the labels “Telemecanique” and “LC1 D25008”.  I googled this and found it is a “contactor” (I never heard of this word before). 

My questions are: did this device fail due to age and simply needs to be replaced (along with damaged wires), or did it protect me from something badly wrong and there is another problem elsewhere (battery charger or aircon).

I am waiting for an electrician, but maybe someone else has some advice?

Thanks
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicily, Italy.


Shore power contactor burnt out

Eamonn Washington
 

Hi

yesterday I connected to 220V shore power, sockets worked as usual. Then I switched on the 220V battery charger and aircon.  A few seconds later all 220V power stopped and there was a burning smell in the galley and the large port cockpit locker.  No breakers gone on shore or the boat.  No possibility to get shore power working again.  The inverter still works but did not try the generator (due to an abundance of caution).

Today I traced the shore power cable to the forward end of the large port cockpit locker, behind the insulation and removable end panel. There was a lot of ash, which was never there before (I clean every year).  I opened the grey box that the mains cable terminated in, and there was evidence of melted electrical insulation and a lot of soot. Inside there was a “device” with the labels “Telemecanique” and “LC1 D25008”.  I googled this and found it is a “contactor” (I never heard of this word before). 

My questions are: did this device fail due to age and simply needs to be replaced (along with damaged wires), or did it protect me from something badly wrong and there is another problem elsewhere (battery charger or aircon).

I am waiting for an electrician, but maybe someone else has some advice?

Thanks
--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Trapani, Sicily, Italy.


Re: Super Maramu

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

SM Balu 222
I have one

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 15.07.2019 um 01:28 schrieb jimbo ken <jimbokennedy@...>:

Seems a strange question to ask - but

Do all SM's have a extraction fan over the cooktop - I seem to see some pictures with them - and others it is hard to tell.
Or was this an option that only some had?


Re: Super Maramu

Ian Townsend
 

SM153 has one.

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
US East Coast

On Jul 14, 2019, at 8:54 PM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

For what it's worth- sm2k 422 has one.