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Re: Spade Anchor

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hello Paul

 

Sorry to hear that you are not happy with Rocna. I have changed from Original Buegel, (which is now BB on second Roller), to Rocna 40kg and using it the second season now. 

Never dragged since then. I’m very happy with it and had several occasions recently with 180-degree shifts. I observed and dived the Anchor after a shift and discovered it may drag 0.5m or 1m (but not more) for resetting.

I had many troubles with the Buegel in the Agean Sea, especially when the bottom was partly covered by weed the holding was poor. 


Ruedi & Sabina Waldispuehl
"SY WASABI"
Amel 54. #55

MMSI: 269322000  
Call Sign: HBY3811

Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Datum: Freitag, 19. Juli 2019 um 22:16
An: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Spade Anchor

Hello Paul,

I am a bit surprised your Rocna is not working as you expect; ours was brilliant (on our previous boat) even with a 180 degree wind shift.  Does yours have the roll over bar?  

I had a CQR before on Eleuthera and this was pretty bad so having found a ULTRA dealer who gave me a big discount, I went for it.  If you do ULTRA, the 35Kg has worked perfectly for us. The 45KG should also fit.  Ensure you get the ULTRA swivel and chain claw.  Both are great kit esp the swivel which always brings the anchor aboard right side up.

GL

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Fiji

On 20 Jul 2019, at 05:32, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

We have lost confidence in our Rocna anchor, it served us well for over two years, but this season we have dragged several times, It happens when wind shift 180 degree, then we have slowly slipped backwards. After searching the market we have come to the conclusion that Spade is probably one of te best anchors, great holding power and very god 180 degree resetting.
Now my questions to you out there who have a spade anchor, What size do you have? what is the largest one can fit without major modifications on an SM? 
Would prefer the 45 kg S180 if it fits
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Horta The Azores

Re: Spade Anchor

Gary Silver
 

Paul:  I fitted an Aluminum Spade Anchor - Model # 1294552 - (?? weight I am guessing about 55 lbs) in 2008.  It has set the first time every time since and the only time it dragged was when I had hooked an underwater cable and it slid along it.  Sets in every type of seabed I have encountered in the last 11 years.  I now notice I have some pitting in the tip of the aluminum where the lead is but still seems structurally sound, have had no shank bending and other than the two pitts in the tip there is no other corrosion noticeable.  Fits perfectly on my boat. Highly recommended.

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona    Amel SM 2000 # 335
On the hard in Puerto Del Rey Marina, Puerto Rico

Re: Panama Crime on the Caribe Side

eric freedman
 

Mark,

I understand that in the last few weeks 2 sailboats have disappeared and no word has been heard from them.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 5:51 PM
To: AmelYachtOwners@groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Panama Crime on the Caribe Side

 

Heads up to owners in the Panama area on the Caribbean side. There has been a serious rash of armed robberies between Shelter Bay Marina and the San Blas Islands. Linton Bay is especially volatile at this time. Several boats anchored in various bays were boarded by armed thieves. Details of the robberies can be found on CSSN https://safetyandsecuritynet.org/. At this point no arrest have been made and the robberies are expected to continue.

 

Please be extra vigilant if your plans include sailing in these waters anytime soon.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

Panama Crime on the Caribe Side

Mark Erdos
 

Heads up to owners in the Panama area on the Caribbean side. There has been a serious rash of armed robberies between Shelter Bay Marina and the San Blas Islands. Linton Bay is especially volatile at this time. Several boats anchored in various bays were boarded by armed thieves. Details of the robberies can be found on CSSN https://safetyandsecuritynet.org/. At this point no arrest have been made and the robberies are expected to continue.

 

Please be extra vigilant if your plans include sailing in these waters anytime soon.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

locked Re: Broker/ Vessel Purchase Experience

 

Martin,

Although I feel sorry for you and your experience, the Amel Yacht Owners Group is a not place to post one side of what is at least a 4 or 5 sided situation (you, owner, broker, Amel, and VAT officials).

Buying the right Amel under the right terms can be daunting for anyone, even the most experienced.

If I can be of personal assistance, you have my email address and phone number, as you have contacted me multiple times.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:35 PM Martin Bentham <mbentham@...> wrote:
Hello to All,

I joined the group some months ago but this is my first post.  I don't have my Amel yet but already have need of your advice.

After searching for some months I recently decide to proceed with purchasing an Amel.  The vessel in question is EU VAT Paid and broker listed.  For me the VAT paid status is important as I intend to register the vessel under the UK Ship Registry Part 1 (among other reasons this enables me to retain the VAT Paid status).    My offer was made based on the seller providing the documentation which proves the yacht has EU VAT Paid Status, to accommodate the sale of the boat, allow operation in EU and International Waters, and accommodate registration in the UK.   I went ahead and signed the broker contract, paid my deposit.  Survey is completed, handling of any technical issues related to the survey was settled, with the last step before payment being the release of the documents.  UK HMR&C (UK Customs) are clear that to prove to them the vessel has VAT Paid status a copy of the original invoice is required, showing the price paid for the vessel and the amount of VAT paid, plus resale of the vessel without such a document would be "very difficult".   A copy of all Bills of Sale between the original sale and the current ownership are also required.  In the last days before payment was due, the broker informed me the original Amel invoice showing the VAT paid was not available (seller did not have a copy and broker informed me Amel refused to provide a copy - even though Amel attest to the VAT being paid originally without giving the amount - no use to UK customs).  In those last days the seller/broker also revealed the hitherto known to them but not revealed to me this was a three owner vessel rather than a single owner as previously discussed.  Prior owner documents presented were not acceptable to the UK MCA for registration.  In short without the necessary EU VAT paid and registration documentation the purchase cannot proceed.  Very disappointing, particularly as the way the brokers contract is written I paid several thousand Euros for the survey, haulout, and other items as part of the purchase process before I get to find out the documentation is significantly deficient.  Broker is still claiming vessel documentation is sufficient (I believe customs and MCA officers opinions are the ones that count)  and so far has refused to return the deposit, so for now I cannot move on.   What a mess.  Does any of this sound familiar to you?  Have you any relevant experience? Advice on how to proceed?  If you would prefer to contact me directly please email to mfbentham at gmail.

Thank you for reading my story and request.

Regards

Martin Bentham   

locked Broker/ Vessel Purchase Experience

Martin Bentham <mbentham@...>
 

Hello to All,

I joined the group some months ago but this is my first post.  I don't have my Amel yet but already have need of your advice.

After searching for some months I recently decide to proceed with purchasing an Amel.  The vessel in question is EU VAT Paid and broker listed.  For me the VAT paid status is important as I intend to register the vessel under the UK Ship Registry Part 1 (among other reasons this enables me to retain the VAT Paid status).    My offer was made based on the seller providing the documentation which proves the yacht has EU VAT Paid Status, to accommodate the sale of the boat, allow operation in EU and International Waters, and accommodate registration in the UK.   I went ahead and signed the broker contract, paid my deposit.  Survey is completed, handling of any technical issues related to the survey was settled, with the last step before payment being the release of the documents.  UK HMR&C (UK Customs) are clear that to prove to them the vessel has VAT Paid status a copy of the original invoice is required, showing the price paid for the vessel and the amount of VAT paid, plus resale of the vessel without such a document would be "very difficult".   A copy of all Bills of Sale between the original sale and the current ownership are also required.  In the last days before payment was due, the broker informed me the original Amel invoice showing the VAT paid was not available (seller did not have a copy and broker informed me Amel refused to provide a copy - even though Amel attest to the VAT being paid originally without giving the amount - no use to UK customs).  In those last days the seller/broker also revealed the hitherto known to them but not revealed to me this was a three owner vessel rather than a single owner as previously discussed.  Prior owner documents presented were not acceptable to the UK MCA for registration.  In short without the necessary EU VAT paid and registration documentation the purchase cannot proceed.  Very disappointing, particularly as the way the brokers contract is written I paid several thousand Euros for the survey, haulout, and other items as part of the purchase process before I get to find out the documentation is significantly deficient.  Broker is still claiming vessel documentation is sufficient (I believe customs and MCA officers opinions are the ones that count)  and so far has refused to return the deposit, so for now I cannot move on.   What a mess.  Does any of this sound familiar to you?  Have you any relevant experience? Advice on how to proceed?  If you would prefer to contact me directly please email to mfbentham at gmail.

Thank you for reading my story and request.

Regards

Martin Bentham   

Re: Spade Anchor

michael winand
 

I have a sarca excel no 7  very happy. 
They are exporting them from Australia now. 
Michael  Nebo small 251


On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 at 6:58 am, Alexandre Uster von Baar via Groups.Io
<uster@...> wrote:
Fit was good. I did not anchor much, but the previous owner was very happy with it.
I don’t know if a larger one would fit. May be they have a printable layout like some companies do.
The good thing about Spade is that there is (or was) a life time warranty. They replaced mine for free.
Alexandre
On Friday, July 19, 2019, 3:55:54 PM CDT, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:


Alexandre
How was the fit? do you think a bigger one would fit as well?
Paul

Re: Spade Anchor

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Fit was good. I did not anchor much, but the previous owner was very happy with it.
I don’t know if a larger one would fit. May be they have a printable layout like some companies do.
The good thing about Spade is that there is (or was) a life time warranty. They replaced mine for free.
Alexandre

On Friday, July 19, 2019, 3:55:54 PM CDT, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:


Alexandre
How was the fit? do you think a bigger one would fit as well?
Paul

Re: Spade Anchor

Paul Osterberg
 

Alexandre
How was the fit? do you think a bigger one would fit as well?
Paul

Re: Spade Anchor

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Paul,

I had the Spade 160 (77 lbs).

Sincerely, Alexandre
Formely SM2K #289 NIKIMAT


On Friday, July 19, 2019, 12:32:07 PM CDT, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:


We have lost confidence in our Rocna anchor, it served us well for over two years, but this season we have dragged several times, It happens when wind shift 180 degree, then we have slowly slipped backwards. After searching the market we have come to the conclusion that Spade is probably one of te best anchors, great holding power and very god 180 degree resetting.
Now my questions to you out there who have a spade anchor, What size do you have? what is the largest one can fit without major modifications on an SM? 
Would prefer the 45 kg S180 if it fits
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Horta The Azores

Re: Spade Anchor

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Paul,
After researching extensively I have decided to demote my WASI 30kg to the second anchor, sell my Delta 40Kg, the current 2nd anchor and buy a Spade 160 which is 37kg, as my primary anchor. It is ordered but am waiting on delivery.
I did consider going for the 180 Spade. Obviously bigger is better in terms of holding power but I also considered the windlass and the chain, the whole system and felt that the 160 is the correct anchor for an Amel 54.
I will report back on it’s performance. 

Nick
Anchored in the Ionian near Ithaca.
Amelia AML 54-019


On 19 Jul 2019, at 20:32, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

We have lost confidence in our Rocna anchor, it served us well for over two years, but this season we have dragged several times, It happens when wind shift 180 degree, then we have slowly slipped backwards. After searching the market we have come to the conclusion that Spade is probably one of te best anchors, great holding power and very god 180 degree resetting.
Now my questions to you out there who have a spade anchor, What size do you have? what is the largest one can fit without major modifications on an SM? 
Would prefer the 45 kg S180 if it fits
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Horta The Azores

Re: Spade Anchor

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Paul,

I am a bit surprised your Rocna is not working as you expect; ours was brilliant (on our previous boat) even with a 180 degree wind shift.  Does yours have the roll over bar?  

I had a CQR before on Eleuthera and this was pretty bad so having found a ULTRA dealer who gave me a big discount, I went for it.  If you do ULTRA, the 35Kg has worked perfectly for us. The 45KG should also fit.  Ensure you get the ULTRA swivel and chain claw.  Both are great kit esp the swivel which always brings the anchor aboard right side up.

GL

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Fiji

On 20 Jul 2019, at 05:32, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

We have lost confidence in our Rocna anchor, it served us well for over two years, but this season we have dragged several times, It happens when wind shift 180 degree, then we have slowly slipped backwards. After searching the market we have come to the conclusion that Spade is probably one of te best anchors, great holding power and very god 180 degree resetting.
Now my questions to you out there who have a spade anchor, What size do you have? what is the largest one can fit without major modifications on an SM? 
Would prefer the 45 kg S180 if it fits
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Horta The Azores

Re: Spade Anchor

Matt Salatino
 

Fatty Goodlander wrote an excellent book on anchoring.
He has a technique that is simple and foolproof.
I recommend his method, and his book.
I’m in no way related, just a happy reader.....
We had a Rocna, by the way, on our previous Moody. Worked fine, even in reversals.
I think technique has a big impact on anchoring success.
We’re equipping our new Amel with an Ultra..... The Rocna won’t fit in the bow sprit.....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Jul 19, 2019, at 3:03 PM, Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:

I switched to Rocna after the shaft on my Spade bent. The shank on the spade is hollow. It may well have caught in rock. I don’t know. But the Spade should fit easily in the bow roller.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96



Re: Spade Anchor

Ian Park
 

I switched to Rocna after the shaft on my Spade bent. The shank on the spade is hollow. It may well have caught in rock. I don’t know. But the Spade should fit easily in the bow roller.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: Spade Anchor

david bruce
 

We have Spade on our Santorin, so no help here on sizing for you, but i will say that we are planning on switching to 25 kg Rocna as i feel the Spade can be difficult to set in harder packed sand, ( have seen it skipping) and also doesn t seem to punch through weed as well as i d like.   John Haries of Affordable Adventure Cruising speaks highly of the Spade and has taken pains to point out the 180 deg wind shift issue w the Rocna.  I might now look at the Ultra as Davi suggests.  Ultimately i guess there is no perfect anchor and technique counts for a lot.  
Good luck, 
Dave Bruce
sv Liesse  SN006 


On Jul 19, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

We have lost confidence in our Rocna anchor, it served us well for over two years, but this season we have dragged several times, It happens when wind shift 180 degree, then we have slowly slipped backwards. After searching the market we have come to the conclusion that Spade is probably one of te best anchors, great holding power and very god 180 degree resetting.
Now my questions to you out there who have a spade anchor, What size do you have? what is the largest one can fit without major modifications on an SM? 
Would prefer the 45 kg S180 if it fits
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Horta The Azores

Re: Spade Anchor

Davi Rozgonyi
 

I'd look into an ultra. It's what we're upgrading to from the rocna. No roll bar, able to oversize, mud doesn't stick.... Sounds perfect except the price. 

Spade Anchor

Paul Osterberg
 

We have lost confidence in our Rocna anchor, it served us well for over two years, but this season we have dragged several times, It happens when wind shift 180 degree, then we have slowly slipped backwards. After searching the market we have come to the conclusion that Spade is probably one of te best anchors, great holding power and very god 180 degree resetting.
Now my questions to you out there who have a spade anchor, What size do you have? what is the largest one can fit without major modifications on an SM? 
Would prefer the 45 kg S180 if it fits
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Horta The Azores

Re: Forward and Captains Berth Panel Lining

Thomas Kleman
 

My wife just covered this area with Brisa ultra leather (distressed chamois is the color) in the same pleated pattern as is used in the master stateroom. We attached it with Velcro as is done in various other areas of a SM.

Thomas Kleman
SM2K 422

Re: Main sheet boom slider broken

Alan Leslie
 

We had an alloy weldment made up from alloy stock and had it welded to the boom (like the 54) so we never will have this issue again. I don't know why Amel decided to use these blocks and the flimsy mounting system when they had weldments on the Maramu previously and they went back to that on the 54.
There's a picture of what we did on here somewhere.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: Main sheet boom slider broken

eric freedman
 

Hi Paul,

I did the same thing on Kimberlite as the fixture on the mast was cracked. I bought a piece of flat aluminum stock

And installed it with I think 4 or 6 allen head cap screws.

Looking forward to meeting up with you.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 12:53 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Main sheet boom slider broken

 

Hello Eric,

My apologies if I was not clear. The blocks in the attached photo are the attachment points for the main sheet on the main boom. The block to the right in the photo was cracked, wiggled, and soon to fail. We had a new one fabricated in VA (see original post). 

The original block was screwed into the aluminum track (see photo of forward view of missen boom). This piece of aluminum is only about 1/8 inch thick. 

When i installed the new fabricated block and the one aft of it I slid the fabricated plates on top of the existing track and bolted them together with 1/4-20 Alan screws. Hence there is now 3/8 th’s inches of meat holding the block in place rather than the original 1/8 th inch. 

We hope to travel to your neck of the woods and Newport sometime mid August.  I will reach out to you when we have a better idea of our plans. 

All the best,

Paul Stascavage 

SM #466 s/v Rita Kathryn 
Currently Exploring City Island, NY

www.RitaKathryn.com