Paul,

You are welcome. Some things are very difficult to sort out. Also, it is difficult to diagnose via email, but I am usually luckier than wrong.😀😀

To take this a step further. There are more than a few Amel owners who have lost SOW mostly because of faulty B&G Sonic Speed Sensors. A significant number of those do nothing because they say they have SOG on GPS. Without SOW, TWA and TWS are not accurate. Because I am not a smart sailor, I wanted and used TWA and TWS all of the time. TWA and TWS can be calculated using SOG, but you have to use a black box from A&T Electronics to convert the SOG data to SOW data before it is read by the B&G processor.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Yacht School (formerly Amel School) - Supporting Amel Owners

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

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On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 11:21 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Thank you very much Bill, I just found the issue, you lead me to the SOW being the reference for wind and the SOG was not referenced or switched on in the H3000 set up so now it’s activated alls working. I must have switched it off along the way or there’s a gremlin lurking 

Thanks to all for the community support its a great help

Kind regards Paul 55#17

On 27 Jul 2019, at 4:37 pm, Paul Brown via Groups.Io <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Thank you Bill for the help, I have recently replaced the paddle wheel and as mentioned under motor the other day the issues seemed to rectify for the rest of that journey, with accurate wind and speed through the water, so I am now suspecting an intermittent issue as a possibility also.

I will be visiting Palma Mallorca early in the week so hopefully get a good B&G technician aboard 


Kind regards Paul 

On 27 Jul 2019, at 2:54 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

TWS and TWA are mathematically calculated by the H3000 processor and the calculation requires accurate  SOW input. 

You mentioned that you have no SOW. My guess is either your Sonic Speed or Paddlewheel transducers are not working properly, or a defective H3000 processor.  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:37 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Hello all,

im inquiring if someone can assist, my B&G H3000 has an issue with regards to displaying the TWS as the AWS and the AWA as the AWS so both are the same, with no displaying of the TWS. Also the boat speed is not displaying despite the paddle wheel being operable.

if I run the engine the displaying of the TWS and AWS and boat speed functions as normal but then when the engine is off and we are sailing the issue continues.

any assistance would be appreciated 

thank you Paul Brown 55#17

Thank you Bill for the help, I have recently replaced the paddle wheel and as mentioned under motor the other day the issues seemed to rectify for the rest of that journey, with accurate wind and speed through the water, so I am now suspecting an intermittent issue as a possibility also.

I will be visiting Palma Mallorca early in the week so hopefully get a good B&G technician aboard 


Kind regards Paul 

On 27 Jul 2019, at 2:54 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

TWS and TWA are mathematically calculated by the H3000 processor and the calculation requires accurate  SOW input. 

You mentioned that you have no SOW. My guess is either your Sonic Speed or Paddlewheel transducers are not working properly, or a defective H3000 processor.  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:37 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Hello all,

im inquiring if someone can assist, my B&G H3000 has an issue with regards to displaying the TWS as the AWS and the AWA as the AWS so both are the same, with no displaying of the TWS. Also the boat speed is not displaying despite the paddle wheel being operable.

if I run the engine the displaying of the TWS and AWS and boat speed functions as normal but then when the engine is off and we are sailing the issue continues.

any assistance would be appreciated 

thank you Paul Brown 55#17

TWS and TWA are mathematically calculated by the H3000 processor and the calculation requires accurate  SOW input. 

You mentioned that you have no SOW. My guess is either your Sonic Speed or Paddlewheel transducers are not working properly, or a defective H3000 processor.  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:37 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Hello all,

im inquiring if someone can assist, my B&G H3000 has an issue with regards to displaying the TWS as the AWS and the AWA as the AWS so both are the same, with no displaying of the TWS. Also the boat speed is not displaying despite the paddle wheel being operable.

if I run the engine the displaying of the TWS and AWS and boat speed functions as normal but then when the engine is off and we are sailing the issue continues.

any assistance would be appreciated 

thank you Paul Brown 55#17

There are indeed some awesome quotes here. Thanks so much for sharing. I have a new favorite now: “Waves are not measured in feet or inches, they are measured in increments of fear.” – Buzzy Trent

I have to laugh at the “Twenty years from now…” being attributed to Mark Twain. I see this all the time on peoples blogs and FaceBook etc. It is a motto so many cruisers use as the credo for their lifestyle. But, Mark Twain never actually said or wrote this. It has to be the most incorrectly attributed quote of all time.

The first time this quote ever appeared in print was pretty recently in 1990. It is in a book by the bestselling author H. Jackson Brown, Jr. He published the work containing the quotation, but he did not take credit for it. The book “P.S. I Love You” contained a collection of wise aphorisms from Brown’s mother, Sarah Frances Brown. Each page contained one thought, and this quote was printed on page 13. Each remark was prefaced with “P.S.” and ended with “I love you, Mom”. I guess attributing it to Mark Twain is more impactful than the actual person deserving of the credit, Sarah Frances Brown.

I got that quote from here.

There are some great sayings here.

Fair Winds

Eric

https://themusterstation.com/ocean-quotes/

Does this mean we are stuck between alive and dead – {smile} Isn’t this call being a zombie?

There are three sorts of people; those who are alive, those who are dead, and those who are at sea.”
– Old Capstan Chantey attributed to Anacharsis, 6th Century BC

Hi Paul

If you’re unable to solve the problem via the forum then Sarah at A&T (formerly Tinley Electronics) in Lymington, UK maybe able to help. Bill Rouse introduced me to them. They’ve built a business servicing B&G but also now provide their own processors and other kit which fully integrates with B&G but has the advantage of being fully serviceable. I plan to replace all my Nav electronics this winter and will explore A&T as the ‘hub’. My H3000 keeps ‘freezing’ - unnerving! 

Sarah is highly knowledgeable and helpful - Tel +44 1590 610071 or sarah@...

I’ve attached their product info. 

Best of luck. 

Tony Wells

A54 #102 Balthazar 

Anchored at Keri, Zakynthos Greece

On 27 Jul 2019, at 11:37, Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Hello all,

im inquiring if someone can assist, my B&G H3000 has an issue with regards to displaying the TWS as the AWS and the AWA as the AWS so both are the same, with no displaying of the TWS. Also the boat speed is not displaying despite the paddle wheel being operable.

if I run the engine the displaying of the TWS and AWS and boat speed functions as normal but then when the engine is off and we are sailing the issue continues.

any assistance would be appreciated 

thank you Paul Brown 55#17

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There is not sufficient current when your engine doesn't run perhaps?
When your engine is running and everything is OK as expected the B&G H3000 seems to have no problems.
So a low electricity current might be the reason for that.
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Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Hello all,

im inquiring if someone can assist, my B&G H3000 has an issue with regards to displaying the TWS as the AWS and the AWA as the AWS so both are the same, with no displaying of the TWS. Also the boat speed is not displaying despite the paddle wheel being operable.

if I run the engine the displaying of the TWS and AWS and boat speed functions as normal but then when the engine is off and we are sailing the issue continues.

any assistance would be appreciated 

thank you Paul Brown 55#17

Does this mean we are stuck between alive and dead – {smile} Isn’t this call being a zombie?

There are three sorts of people; those who are alive, those who are dead, and those who are at sea.”
– Old Capstan Chantey attributed to Anacharsis, 6th Century BC

Hi Barry:

I used a timer nearly identical to this:   https://www.amazon.com/ustyle-Digital-Programmable-Precision-Anti-Interference/dp/B07TC9Z45J/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=24+volt+fish+feeder+timer&qid=1564180095&s=gateway&sr=8-7 

I believe mine is just a slightly older version.   I wired it's output to a second "ganged" 24 volt relay just to make sure I didn't overload or shorten the life of the contacts of the relay in this timer.  The coil of the second relay is wired such that when the timer calls for flushing (i.e. the timer closes its "NO" (normally open) contact, it energizes the more robust relay coil.  The second relays contacts are wired into the fresh water pressurization CB (circuit breaker)  wiring.  When I leave the boat, I switch the timer from the "run" (i.e. always on) position to the timer position then move the valve in the engine room to the flush position.  Thus when flush is called for the timer, energizes the second "ganged" relay, turns on the fresh water pump that runs for the programmed length of time (in my case 2 minutes every other day).  My system goes thru about 200 liters of H20 in 6 months on the hard using this schedule.  Others may vary based on the pump etc.  I just put a bucket where the flush water comes out on the port side of the boat, ran the program and measured the through-put of the water.  The only down side is that when on the boat and the timer is set to the run position, the ganged really is continuously energized (using a small amount of electricity) and you have to leave the main battery switches on to provide 24 Vdc power to the timer/relay circuity.  Mine has been running perfectly for about 11-12 years now.

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona    Amel SM 2000 #335
On the hard in Puerto Del Rey - Puerto Rico

Kent and All,

The reason I asked about what the JSD is made of is because if you have the standard rope one as I do,  the blocks you would need to use are humongous . I think my bridle legs are at least 1 inch in diameter or possibly larger.

Below is a quote from Ace sailmakers with respect to the attachment points. I was going to say do not attach the bridles to the winches and the reason is stated in the quote.

With an arch I would suggest you reinforce the stern cleats or change them out for steel ones. The bridle will be inside the backstays when you deploy the drogue. You should also make a hollowed out wood block that will cover the stern chock as the drogue wants to keep going into the chock when it is recovered. This will rip the cones. Mine also has  a through bolt to keep it on the chock.

I forgot to mention to CHECK the cones and see if the larger ends have a hem on them. If not  the cones will eventually fray . I had to change mine out after the hurricane. The newer ones have hems. See above my old drogue photos after the hurricane. My drogue looked pretty sad after 36 hours of 100 knot winds . It started keeping us at 2 ½ knots and when we hauled it in we were doing just short of 4 knots.

It is amazing to watch the drogue work. See photos.

I was also asked about chafe gear. I have a bunch of heavy suede turnbuckle covers from a few boats ago.

I find these very handy for chafe gear all over the boat. They have Velcro inside, however my Velcro is long since gone and I use a few cable ties to keep them in place.  They are made by Edson , they come in 3 sizes and have lasted me over 22 years.

https://edsonmarine.com/leather-turnbuckle-covers-medium/

I have been thinking about moving my SSB antenna so I can deploy the drogue outside the backstays.

One last note , If you see a gigantic breaking wave coming at you, the boat will be going under water. It was amazing to see just the masts sticking out of the water and then Kimberlite just popped back up. One time I had to hold my breath for a few seconds as the water was very deep. We did not have a drop of water down below-Thank you Captain Henry. The cockpit drains in about 30 40 seconds.

We kept a person on watch in case a ship was going to run us down and we had to cut the drogue away.

We also had the cockpit enclosure up the entire time. After a while a few zippers started to go , we just sewed the enclosure closed.

Now I have a few web loops sewn into each side of the enclosure at the zippers and we can easily tie it together.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

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Attachments on the Hull 
The hull attachments for the drogue should be as far outboard and as far aft as possible.
I have no information on the ultimate strength of a typical sheet winch installation, and it would be difficult to evaluate each structure. Unfortunately, a winch is not an ideal structure, since the load is applied above the deck line and tends to overturn the winch and pull it out. The optimum attachment for the drogue is clearly a strap similar to a chainplate, bolted to the hull at the corners of the transom and extending aft with a shackle.

For a load of 14,000 lbs, a strap ¼ x 2.25 x 18 inches attached with six 3/8 bolts would provide a conservative design.

A large steel cleat would be acceptable if the deck is thick solid fiberglass and a steel plate is provided underne

Just now looking at that, Eric.  I was thinking/hoping that I could run the bridle thru blocks to the jib winches, but haven’t gotten far enough to know if that will work.