Date   
Re: B&G issues

 

Paul,

You are welcome. Some things are very difficult to sort out. Also, it is difficult to diagnose via email, but I am usually luckier than wrong.😀😀

To take this a step further. There are more than a few Amel owners who have lost SOW mostly because of faulty B&G Sonic Speed Sensors. A significant number of those do nothing because they say they have SOG on GPS. Without SOW, TWA and TWS are not accurate. Because I am not a smart sailor, I wanted and used TWA and TWS all of the time. TWA and TWS can be calculated using SOG, but you have to use a black box from A&T Electronics to convert the SOG data to SOW data before it is read by the B&G processor.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 11:21 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Thank you very much Bill, I just found the issue, you lead me to the SOW being the reference for wind and the SOG was not referenced or switched on in the H3000 set up so now it’s activated alls working. I must have switched it off along the way or there’s a gremlin lurking 

Thanks to all for the community support its a great help

Kind regards Paul 55#17


On 27 Jul 2019, at 4:37 pm, Paul Brown via Groups.Io <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Thank you Bill for the help, I have recently replaced the paddle wheel and as mentioned under motor the other day the issues seemed to rectify for the rest of that journey, with accurate wind and speed through the water, so I am now suspecting an intermittent issue as a possibility also.

I will be visiting Palma Mallorca early in the week so hopefully get a good B&G technician aboard 


Kind regards Paul 



On 27 Jul 2019, at 2:54 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

TWS and TWA are mathematically calculated by the H3000 processor and the calculation requires accurate  SOW input. 

You mentioned that you have no SOW. My guess is either your Sonic Speed or Paddlewheel transducers are not working properly, or a defective H3000 processor.  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:37 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Hello all,

im inquiring if someone can assist, my B&G H3000 has an issue with regards to displaying the TWS as the AWS and the AWA as the AWS so both are the same, with no displaying of the TWS. Also the boat speed is not displaying despite the paddle wheel being operable.

if I run the engine the displaying of the TWS and AWS and boat speed functions as normal but then when the engine is off and we are sailing the issue continues.

any assistance would be appreciated 

thank you Paul Brown 55#17

Re: B&G issues

Paul Brown
 

Thank you very much Bill, I just found the issue, you lead me to the SOW being the reference for wind and the SOG was not referenced or switched on in the H3000 set up so now it’s activated alls working. I must have switched it off along the way or there’s a gremlin lurking 

Thanks to all for the community support its a great help

Kind regards Paul 55#17


On 27 Jul 2019, at 4:37 pm, Paul Brown via Groups.Io <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Thank you Bill for the help, I have recently replaced the paddle wheel and as mentioned under motor the other day the issues seemed to rectify for the rest of that journey, with accurate wind and speed through the water, so I am now suspecting an intermittent issue as a possibility also.

I will be visiting Palma Mallorca early in the week so hopefully get a good B&G technician aboard 


Kind regards Paul 



On 27 Jul 2019, at 2:54 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

TWS and TWA are mathematically calculated by the H3000 processor and the calculation requires accurate  SOW input. 

You mentioned that you have no SOW. My guess is either your Sonic Speed or Paddlewheel transducers are not working properly, or a defective H3000 processor.  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:37 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Hello all,

im inquiring if someone can assist, my B&G H3000 has an issue with regards to displaying the TWS as the AWS and the AWA as the AWS so both are the same, with no displaying of the TWS. Also the boat speed is not displaying despite the paddle wheel being operable.

if I run the engine the displaying of the TWS and AWS and boat speed functions as normal but then when the engine is off and we are sailing the issue continues.

any assistance would be appreciated 

thank you Paul Brown 55#17

Re: B&G issues

Paul Brown
 

Thank you Bill for the help, I have recently replaced the paddle wheel and as mentioned under motor the other day the issues seemed to rectify for the rest of that journey, with accurate wind and speed through the water, so I am now suspecting an intermittent issue as a possibility also.

I will be visiting Palma Mallorca early in the week so hopefully get a good B&G technician aboard 


Kind regards Paul 



On 27 Jul 2019, at 2:54 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

TWS and TWA are mathematically calculated by the H3000 processor and the calculation requires accurate  SOW input. 

You mentioned that you have no SOW. My guess is either your Sonic Speed or Paddlewheel transducers are not working properly, or a defective H3000 processor.  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:37 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Hello all,

im inquiring if someone can assist, my B&G H3000 has an issue with regards to displaying the TWS as the AWS and the AWA as the AWS so both are the same, with no displaying of the TWS. Also the boat speed is not displaying despite the paddle wheel being operable.

if I run the engine the displaying of the TWS and AWS and boat speed functions as normal but then when the engine is off and we are sailing the issue continues.

any assistance would be appreciated 

thank you Paul Brown 55#17

Re: interesting quote

Mike Ondra
 

And some of my favorites:

“A boat gets 1 foot shorter per person per day.”

and

“The gods do not deduct from our allotted time those hours spent in sailing.” Ascribed to a Phoenician proverb.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Chesapeake Bay

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 10:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] interesting quote

 

There are indeed some awesome quotes here. Thanks so much for sharing. I have a new favorite now: “Waves are not measured in feet or inches, they are measured in increments of fear.” – Buzzy Trent

I have to laugh at the “Twenty years from now…” being attributed to Mark Twain. I see this all the time on peoples blogs and FaceBook etc. It is a motto so many cruisers use as the credo for their lifestyle. But, Mark Twain never actually said or wrote this. It has to be the most incorrectly attributed quote of all time.

 

The first time this quote ever appeared in print was pretty recently in 1990. It is in a book by the bestselling author H. Jackson Brown, Jr. He published the work containing the quotation, but he did not take credit for it. The book “P.S. I Love You” contained a collection of wise aphorisms from Brown’s mother, Sarah Frances Brown. Each page contained one thought, and this quote was printed on page 13. Each remark was prefaced with “P.S.” and ended with “I love you, Mom”. I guess attributing it to Mark Twain is more impactful than the actual person deserving of the credit, Sarah Frances Brown.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 10:10 PM
To:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] interesting quote

 

I got that quote from here.

There are some great sayings here.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

https://themusterstation.com/ocean-quotes/

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 8:53 PM
To:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] interesting quote

 

Does this mean we are stuck between alive and dead – {smile} Isn’t this call being a zombie?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 9:23 PM
To:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] interesting quote

 

There are three sorts of people; those who are alive, those who are dead, and those who are at sea.”
– Old Capstan Chantey attributed to Anacharsis, 6th Century BC

 

Re: B&G issues

 

TWS and TWA are mathematically calculated by the H3000 processor and the calculation requires accurate  SOW input. 

You mentioned that you have no SOW. My guess is either your Sonic Speed or Paddlewheel transducers are not working properly, or a defective H3000 processor.  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 3:37 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Hello all,

im inquiring if someone can assist, my B&G H3000 has an issue with regards to displaying the TWS as the AWS and the AWA as the AWS so both are the same, with no displaying of the TWS. Also the boat speed is not displaying despite the paddle wheel being operable.

if I run the engine the displaying of the TWS and AWS and boat speed functions as normal but then when the engine is off and we are sailing the issue continues.

any assistance would be appreciated 

thank you Paul Brown 55#17

Re: B&G issues

Paul Brown
 

Thank you Tony, I will certainly contact Sarah on Monday, I’ve found the H3000 to be working ok except for this recent issue which I’m hoping it’s a simple fix like a low power or setup problem.

Thanks again and much appreciated

Paul 55#17


On 27 Jul 2019, at 1:12 pm, tony wells via Groups.Io <tony.wells@...> wrote:

Hi Paul

If you’re unable to solve the problem via the forum then Sarah at A&T (formerly Tinley Electronics) in Lymington, UK maybe able to help. Bill Rouse introduced me to them. They’ve built a business servicing B&G but also now provide their own processors and other kit which fully integrates with B&G but has the advantage of being fully serviceable. I plan to replace all my Nav electronics this winter and will explore A&T as the ‘hub’. My H3000 keeps ‘freezing’ - unnerving! 

Sarah is highly knowledgeable and helpful - Tel +44 1590 610071 or sarah@...

I’ve attached their product info. 

Best of luck. 

Tony Wells
A54 #102 Balthazar 
Anchored at Keri, Zakynthos Greece



On 27 Jul 2019, at 11:37, Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Hello all,

im inquiring if someone can assist, my B&G H3000 has an issue with regards to displaying the TWS as the AWS and the AWA as the AWS so both are the same, with no displaying of the TWS. Also the boat speed is not displaying despite the paddle wheel being operable.

if I run the engine the displaying of the TWS and AWS and boat speed functions as normal but then when the engine is off and we are sailing the issue continues.

any assistance would be appreciated 

thank you Paul Brown 55#17
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Re: B&G issues

Paul Brown
 

Thank you Gerhard,

Today the issue was still apparent underway using the motor, which is indicting it may not be a low power issue, although the other day I was underway using the motor for several hours and issue rectified its self so perhaps a power issue.

Thanks again 

Regards Paul 55#17


On 27 Jul 2019, at 1:08 pm, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> wrote:

There is not sufficient current when your engine doesn't run perhaps?
When your engine is running and everything is OK as expected the B&G H3000 seems to have no problems.
So a low electricity current might be the reason for that.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: B&G issues

tony wells
 

Hi Paul

If you’re unable to solve the problem via the forum then Sarah at A&T (formerly Tinley Electronics) in Lymington, UK maybe able to help. Bill Rouse introduced me to them. They’ve built a business servicing B&G but also now provide their own processors and other kit which fully integrates with B&G but has the advantage of being fully serviceable. I plan to replace all my Nav electronics this winter and will explore A&T as the ‘hub’. My H3000 keeps ‘freezing’ - unnerving! 

Sarah is highly knowledgeable and helpful - Tel +44 1590 610071 or sarah@...

I’ve attached their product info. 

Best of luck. 

Tony Wells
A54 #102 Balthazar 
Anchored at Keri, Zakynthos Greece



On 27 Jul 2019, at 11:37, Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Hello all,

im inquiring if someone can assist, my B&G H3000 has an issue with regards to displaying the TWS as the AWS and the AWA as the AWS so both are the same, with no displaying of the TWS. Also the boat speed is not displaying despite the paddle wheel being operable.

if I run the engine the displaying of the TWS and AWS and boat speed functions as normal but then when the engine is off and we are sailing the issue continues.

any assistance would be appreciated 

thank you Paul Brown 55#17

Re: B&G issues

Gerhard Mueller
 

There is not sufficient current when your engine doesn't run perhaps?
When your engine is running and everything is OK as expected the B&G H3000 seems to have no problems.
So a low electricity current might be the reason for that.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: 1986 Amel Maramu 46 Mainsail Furling Motors

Aras Grinius
 

I had my motors re-worked here in the USA. They everything apart rewound the windings replaced brushes and load tested.

Aras Grinius
Sv fiasco #163 Sharki


--
Aras Grinius
SV FIASCO
Sharki #163

B&G issues

Paul Brown
 

Hello all,

im inquiring if someone can assist, my B&G H3000 has an issue with regards to displaying the TWS as the AWS and the AWA as the AWS so both are the same, with no displaying of the TWS. Also the boat speed is not displaying despite the paddle wheel being operable.

if I run the engine the displaying of the TWS and AWS and boat speed functions as normal but then when the engine is off and we are sailing the issue continues.

any assistance would be appreciated 

thank you Paul Brown 55#17

Re: Monastir Marina

Gerhard Mueller
 

If someone hasn't read I wrote this in another thread:

There are 2 boatyards with travel-lifts in Monastir.
The one in the marina has a smaller travel-lift with maximum 20 tons.
2 miles in the south of the marina in the Port de Peche (fishers harbour) is a greater lift which might be better for your boat size.
Address of the boat yard in the marina:
Chantier Navale Marina Cap Monastir
Owner: Mohamed Mrad
Chef de Service: Amor
marineservicemir@...
Phone: 00 216 73 580 266‬ or 00 216 73 467 451‬ or 00 216 97 775 422‬ or 00 216 97 775 422‬
Address of the boat yard Monastir Port de Peche:
Owner: Moncef
Phone: 00 216 22 653 457‬
Chef: Amet
Phone: 00 216 99 239 413‬
Sailmaker Monastir:
Hedi Chafroud
hedichafroud@...
Phone: 00 216 52 394 757‬ or 00 216 22 694 757‬
Specialist for Inox:
Anouar Hizem
anouar.hizem@...
Phone: 00 216 98 830 995‬ or 00 216 73 449 183‬
Chantier Naval SOHICOMET, Port de Peche
Inox workshop outside Port de Peche:
Walid Frih
Phone: 00 216 98 977 709‬
Diver Monastir:
Makram Bouzgarrou
Phone: 00216 20 255 674‬

If you need more addresses please ask:
Bernard Casanova
Boat name: "ENCORE" in the marina Monastir
casaber45@...
Phone: 00 216 22 509 172‬ or ‭00 216 24 201 363‬
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: interesting quote

Mark Erdos
 

There are indeed some awesome quotes here. Thanks so much for sharing. I have a new favorite now: “Waves are not measured in feet or inches, they are measured in increments of fear.” – Buzzy Trent

I have to laugh at the “Twenty years from now…” being attributed to Mark Twain. I see this all the time on peoples blogs and FaceBook etc. It is a motto so many cruisers use as the credo for their lifestyle. But, Mark Twain never actually said or wrote this. It has to be the most incorrectly attributed quote of all time.

 

The first time this quote ever appeared in print was pretty recently in 1990. It is in a book by the bestselling author H. Jackson Brown, Jr. He published the work containing the quotation, but he did not take credit for it. The book “P.S. I Love You” contained a collection of wise aphorisms from Brown’s mother, Sarah Frances Brown. Each page contained one thought, and this quote was printed on page 13. Each remark was prefaced with “P.S.” and ended with “I love you, Mom”. I guess attributing it to Mark Twain is more impactful than the actual person deserving of the credit, Sarah Frances Brown.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 10:10 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] interesting quote

 

I got that quote from here.

There are some great sayings here.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

https://themusterstation.com/ocean-quotes/

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 8:53 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] interesting quote

 

Does this mean we are stuck between alive and dead – {smile} Isn’t this call being a zombie?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 9:23 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] interesting quote

 

There are three sorts of people; those who are alive, those who are dead, and those who are at sea.”
– Old Capstan Chantey attributed to Anacharsis, 6th Century BC

 

Re: interesting quote

eric freedman
 

I got that quote from here.

There are some great sayings here.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

https://themusterstation.com/ocean-quotes/

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Erdos
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 8:53 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] interesting quote

 

Does this mean we are stuck between alive and dead – {smile} Isn’t this call being a zombie?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 9:23 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] interesting quote

 

There are three sorts of people; those who are alive, those who are dead, and those who are at sea.”
– Old Capstan Chantey attributed to Anacharsis, 6th Century BC

 

Re: interesting quote

Mark Erdos
 

Does this mean we are stuck between alive and dead – {smile} Isn’t this call being a zombie?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of eric freedman
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 9:23 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] interesting quote

 

There are three sorts of people; those who are alive, those who are dead, and those who are at sea.”
– Old Capstan Chantey attributed to Anacharsis, 6th Century BC

 

interesting quote

eric freedman
 

There are three sorts of people; those who are alive, those who are dead, and those who are at sea.”
– Old Capstan Chantey attributed to Anacharsis, 6th Century BC

 

Re: Water maker Questions

seagasm
 

Your a Champion Gary, Thank you for your reply.

Kind Regards
Barry Ferguson

Tradewinds III SM171

On 27/07/19 08:48, Gary Silver via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Barry:

I used a timer nearly identical to this:   https://www.amazon.com/ustyle-Digital-Programmable-Precision-Anti-Interference/dp/B07TC9Z45J/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=24+volt+fish+feeder+timer&qid=1564180095&s=gateway&sr=8-7 

I believe mine is just a slightly older version.   I wired it's output to a second "ganged" 24 volt relay just to make sure I didn't overload or shorten the life of the contacts of the relay in this timer.  The coil of the second relay is wired such that when the timer calls for flushing (i.e. the timer closes its "NO" (normally open) contact, it energizes the more robust relay coil.  The second relays contacts are wired into the fresh water pressurization CB (circuit breaker)  wiring.  When I leave the boat, I switch the timer from the "run" (i.e. always on) position to the timer position then move the valve in the engine room to the flush position.  Thus when flush is called for the timer, energizes the second "ganged" relay, turns on the fresh water pump that runs for the programmed length of time (in my case 2 minutes every other day).  My system goes thru about 200 liters of H20 in 6 months on the hard using this schedule.  Others may vary based on the pump etc.  I just put a bucket where the flush water comes out on the port side of the boat, ran the program and measured the through-put of the water.  The only down side is that when on the boat and the timer is set to the run position, the ganged really is continuously energized (using a small amount of electricity) and you have to leave the main battery switches on to provide 24 Vdc power to the timer/relay circuity.  Mine has been running perfectly for about 11-12 years now.

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona    Amel SM 2000 #335
On the hard in Puerto Del Rey - Puerto Rico


Re: The Jordan Series Drogue

eric freedman
 

I forgot to mention—this applies for Super Maramu’s,

On other boats or ones with arches, I would go stern to a long dock, possibly a T of a dock,  attach the bridles and pull the drogue out on the dock until you have the bridles all the way out. That will answer a lot of questions as to the mounting of attachment points.

 

I don’t think throwing the drogue in the water would be as helpful,

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: Kimberlite [mailto:kimberlite@...]
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 8:19 PM
To: 'main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io'
Subject: The Jordan Series Drogue

 

Kent and All,

The reason I asked about what the JSD is made of is because if you have the standard rope one as I do,  the blocks you would need to use are humongous . I think my bridle legs are at least 1 inch in diameter or possibly larger.

Below is a quote from Ace sailmakers with respect to the attachment points. I was going to say do not attach the bridles to the winches and the reason is stated in the quote.

 

With an arch I would suggest you reinforce the stern cleats or change them out for steel ones. The bridle will be inside the backstays when you deploy the drogue. You should also make a hollowed out wood block that will cover the stern chock as the drogue wants to keep going into the chock when it is recovered. This will rip the cones. Mine also has  a through bolt to keep it on the chock.

 

 

I forgot to mention to CHECK the cones and see if the larger ends have a hem on them. If not  the cones will eventually fray . I had to change mine out after the hurricane. The newer ones have hems. See above my old drogue photos after the hurricane. My drogue looked pretty sad after 36 hours of 100 knot winds . It started keeping us at 2 ½ knots and when we hauled it in we were doing just short of 4 knots.

It is amazing to watch the drogue work. See photos.

 

I was also asked about chafe gear. I have a bunch of heavy suede turnbuckle covers from a few boats ago.

I find these very handy for chafe gear all over the boat. They have Velcro inside, however my Velcro is long since gone and I use a few cable ties to keep them in place.  They are made by Edson , they come in 3 sizes and have lasted me over 22 years.

https://edsonmarine.com/leather-turnbuckle-covers-medium/

 

 

I have been thinking about moving my SSB antenna so I can deploy the drogue outside the backstays.

 

One last note , If you see a gigantic breaking wave coming at you, the boat will be going under water. It was amazing to see just the masts sticking out of the water and then Kimberlite just popped back up. One time I had to hold my breath for a few seconds as the water was very deep. We did not have a drop of water down below-Thank you Captain Henry. The cockpit drains in about 30 40 seconds.

 

We kept a person on watch in case a ship was going to run us down and we had to cut the drogue away.

We also had the cockpit enclosure up the entire time. After a while a few zippers started to go , we just sewed the enclosure closed.

Now I have a few web loops sewn into each side of the enclosure at the zippers and we can easily tie it together.

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

]

 

 

Attachments on the Hull 
The hull attachments for the drogue should be as far outboard and as far aft as possible.
I have no information on the ultimate strength of a typical sheet winch installation, and it would be difficult to evaluate each structure. Unfortunately, a winch is not an ideal structure, since the load is applied above the deck line and tends to overturn the winch and pull it out. The optimum attachment for the drogue is clearly a strap similar to a chainplate, bolted to the hull at the corners of the transom and extending aft with a shackle.

For a load of 14,000 lbs, a strap ¼ x 2.25 x 18 inches attached with six 3/8 bolts would provide a conservative design.

A large steel cleat would be acceptable if the deck is thick solid fiberglass and a steel plate is provided underne

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 11:39 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Storm tactics

 

Just now looking at that, Eric.  I was thinking/hoping that I could run the bridle thru blocks to the jib winches, but haven’t gotten far enough to know if that will work.

I have an arch that may complicate things even more.

Kent

S/V Kristy

SM 243


On Jul 25, 2019, at 12:17 AM, davidcbruce57@... wrote:

Hi All,  

 

Very interesting thread.  Eric, the Ocean Navigator article did not specify, but for some reason I assumed you used the stock stern cleats to affix the JSD during your hurricane encounter, if so how did that work?, if not did you install chainplates as attachment points.   Short of thru bolted chainplates, could one reinforce the existing cleats to allow for their use with the JSD.

 

Tangentially, I am curious, as a relative novice Amel owner how best to 'de pressurize' the sails when in a seaway and building winds in order to reef without stressing the furling motors.  Is releasing sheets generally sufficient or is it necessary to head to wind, which would seem to make a boat vulnerable or at least quite uncomfortable to beam seas.    

 

Thanks,  

 

Dave Bruce 

sv Liesse

SN006, Gaeta, Italy

 

 

On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:18 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,
Did you add the drogue attachment points that Jordan recommended ?
If not how are you going to attach it to your boat?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376


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Hi Danny,
I carry a Jordan Drogue for a huge sea and 60+kts.  Hope I never have to use it.  If on a lee shore, I guess would have to try tacking under engine and ATN GaleSail.  We’re going to deploy the drogue and gale sail this fall and make sure we know how to use them and what they’ll do.

Does anybody know of a really good storm tactics hands-on class?

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Jul 24, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Kent,
I agree with you. Done the same myself, both the reduction in sail as a windy thunderstorm approaches and the heaving to, although not for 48 hours. However 8 to 12 ft seas is one thing, oceanic monsters is another altogether and would need evaluation as to tactic. The ability to furl and unfurl sail rapidly is one of the many beauties of the Amel
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 24 July 2019 at 14:59 "karkauai via Groups.Io" <karkauai@...> wrote:


Hi Mike,

We got caught in a slow moving front last spring with 35-40kts with gusts over 45 from the N (where we wanted to go).  We didn’t want to run S with the storm and lose a lot of ground, and tacking into 8-12 ft seas didn’t seem like much fun (and probably wouldn’t have gotten us very far N).  We hove to for almost 48 hours with a small handkerchief of jib and about 1/2 of the mizzen, drifting directly downwind.  The slick we created to windward calmed any breakers (only one small breaker slapped the boat in all that time), the motion was benign, and we lost only 50 miles in two days.

In thunderstorms with high winds, I reduce sail as the storm approaches, and if there is room, I keep the wind on the aft quarter until it abates.  It often changes direction continuously as the storm passes, it can take an hour or more until the prevailing winds return.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:28 PM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

During our recent passage from Boston to the Chesapeake Bay we experienced two severe thunderstorms. In one winds reached 40 kn sustained with gusts to 55 kn for about 10 minutes at the severest. Fortunately the storms were relatively short duration and the seas were confused  not having had a chance to organize and build significantly. Our tactic was to motor into the wind with bare poles. At 40+ knots even at full throttle we could barely maintain rudder control as we made way at around 2+/- knots: The wind would push the bow 20 to 30° off course before recovery under autopilot. We did not try hand steering as the auto pilot was doing an OK job in general. It’s seems that in any greater amount of wind or with a more significantly organized sea this tactic would have put us broadside to the wind and waves and then who knows what?
Drouges and see anchors make a lot of sense for longer duration storms.  Thoughts on storm tactics for short duration events such as this? 
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM 240
Rock Hall, MD















 

The Jordan Series Drogue

eric freedman
 

Kent and All,

The reason I asked about what the JSD is made of is because if you have the standard rope one as I do,  the blocks you would need to use are humongous . I think my bridle legs are at least 1 inch in diameter or possibly larger.

Below is a quote from Ace sailmakers with respect to the attachment points. I was going to say do not attach the bridles to the winches and the reason is stated in the quote.

 

With an arch I would suggest you reinforce the stern cleats or change them out for steel ones. The bridle will be inside the backstays when you deploy the drogue. You should also make a hollowed out wood block that will cover the stern chock as the drogue wants to keep going into the chock when it is recovered. This will rip the cones. Mine also has  a through bolt to keep it on the chock.

 

 

I forgot to mention to CHECK the cones and see if the larger ends have a hem on them. If not  the cones will eventually fray . I had to change mine out after the hurricane. The newer ones have hems. See above my old drogue photos after the hurricane. My drogue looked pretty sad after 36 hours of 100 knot winds . It started keeping us at 2 ½ knots and when we hauled it in we were doing just short of 4 knots.

It is amazing to watch the drogue work. See photos.

 

I was also asked about chafe gear. I have a bunch of heavy suede turnbuckle covers from a few boats ago.

I find these very handy for chafe gear all over the boat. They have Velcro inside, however my Velcro is long since gone and I use a few cable ties to keep them in place.  They are made by Edson , they come in 3 sizes and have lasted me over 22 years.

https://edsonmarine.com/leather-turnbuckle-covers-medium/

 

 

I have been thinking about moving my SSB antenna so I can deploy the drogue outside the backstays.

 

One last note , If you see a gigantic breaking wave coming at you, the boat will be going under water. It was amazing to see just the masts sticking out of the water and then Kimberlite just popped back up. One time I had to hold my breath for a few seconds as the water was very deep. We did not have a drop of water down below-Thank you Captain Henry. The cockpit drains in about 30 40 seconds.

 

We kept a person on watch in case a ship was going to run us down and we had to cut the drogue away.

We also had the cockpit enclosure up the entire time. After a while a few zippers started to go , we just sewed the enclosure closed.

Now I have a few web loops sewn into each side of the enclosure at the zippers and we can easily tie it together.

 

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

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Attachments on the Hull 
The hull attachments for the drogue should be as far outboard and as far aft as possible.
I have no information on the ultimate strength of a typical sheet winch installation, and it would be difficult to evaluate each structure. Unfortunately, a winch is not an ideal structure, since the load is applied above the deck line and tends to overturn the winch and pull it out. The optimum attachment for the drogue is clearly a strap similar to a chainplate, bolted to the hull at the corners of the transom and extending aft with a shackle.

For a load of 14,000 lbs, a strap ¼ x 2.25 x 18 inches attached with six 3/8 bolts would provide a conservative design.

A large steel cleat would be acceptable if the deck is thick solid fiberglass and a steel plate is provided underne

 

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Just now looking at that, Eric.  I was thinking/hoping that I could run the bridle thru blocks to the jib winches, but haven’t gotten far enough to know if that will work.

I have an arch that may complicate things even more.

Kent

S/V Kristy

SM 243


On Jul 25, 2019, at 12:17 AM, davidcbruce57@... wrote:

Hi All,  

 

Very interesting thread.  Eric, the Ocean Navigator article did not specify, but for some reason I assumed you used the stock stern cleats to affix the JSD during your hurricane encounter, if so how did that work?, if not did you install chainplates as attachment points.   Short of thru bolted chainplates, could one reinforce the existing cleats to allow for their use with the JSD.

 

Tangentially, I am curious, as a relative novice Amel owner how best to 'de pressurize' the sails when in a seaway and building winds in order to reef without stressing the furling motors.  Is releasing sheets generally sufficient or is it necessary to head to wind, which would seem to make a boat vulnerable or at least quite uncomfortable to beam seas.    

 

Thanks,  

 

Dave Bruce 

sv Liesse

SN006, Gaeta, Italy

 

 

On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:18 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,
Did you add the drogue attachment points that Jordan recommended ?
If not how are you going to attach it to your boat?
Fair Winds
Eric
Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376


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Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 8:56 PM
To: 
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Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Storm tactics

Hi Danny,
I carry a Jordan Drogue for a huge sea and 60+kts.  Hope I never have to use it.  If on a lee shore, I guess would have to try tacking under engine and ATN GaleSail.  We’re going to deploy the drogue and gale sail this fall and make sure we know how to use them and what they’ll do.

Does anybody know of a really good storm tactics hands-on class?

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Jul 24, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Kent,
I agree with you. Done the same myself, both the reduction in sail as a windy thunderstorm approaches and the heaving to, although not for 48 hours. However 8 to 12 ft seas is one thing, oceanic monsters is another altogether and would need evaluation as to tactic. The ability to furl and unfurl sail rapidly is one of the many beauties of the Amel
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

On 24 July 2019 at 14:59 "karkauai via Groups.Io" <karkauai@...> wrote:


Hi Mike,

We got caught in a slow moving front last spring with 35-40kts with gusts over 45 from the N (where we wanted to go).  We didn’t want to run S with the storm and lose a lot of ground, and tacking into 8-12 ft seas didn’t seem like much fun (and probably wouldn’t have gotten us very far N).  We hove to for almost 48 hours with a small handkerchief of jib and about 1/2 of the mizzen, drifting directly downwind.  The slick we created to windward calmed any breakers (only one small breaker slapped the boat in all that time), the motion was benign, and we lost only 50 miles in two days.

In thunderstorms with high winds, I reduce sail as the storm approaches, and if there is room, I keep the wind on the aft quarter until it abates.  It often changes direction continuously as the storm passes, it can take an hour or more until the prevailing winds return.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy


On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:28 PM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

During our recent passage from Boston to the Chesapeake Bay we experienced two severe thunderstorms. In one winds reached 40 kn sustained with gusts to 55 kn for about 10 minutes at the severest. Fortunately the storms were relatively short duration and the seas were confused  not having had a chance to organize and build significantly. Our tactic was to motor into the wind with bare poles. At 40+ knots even at full throttle we could barely maintain rudder control as we made way at around 2+/- knots: The wind would push the bow 20 to 30° off course before recovery under autopilot. We did not try hand steering as the auto pilot was doing an OK job in general. It’s seems that in any greater amount of wind or with a more significantly organized sea this tactic would have put us broadside to the wind and waves and then who knows what?
Drouges and see anchors make a lot of sense for longer duration storms.  Thoughts on storm tactics for short duration events such as this? 
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM 240
Rock Hall, MD

















 

Re: Dessslator HP hoses

John Clark
 

If you reuse fittings make sure the hose tech knows how to do it. I had hoses made in the US with the reusable fittings.  The hoses lasted about five hours before leaking internally bubbles under the sheathing and dribbling water.  Luckily I caught it before they blew.  Bought new hoses in Martinique.


On Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 11:47 AM Aldo Roldan via Groups.Io <aroldan1796=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Alan.  Would you please provide the Dessalator US rep information? I was not aware they had one.  Thank you . Aldo

A55- Araucaria 

On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

Hi All, im about to order new HP hoses from the dessalator rep in the US. The end fittings are reusable and so you only need to buy the hose unless like me one of your ends are damaged.
There are 2 options for this.
1: buy the hose from France and any ends that you need. Hose $40 fittings $93.00 each, shipping $70
2: buy new hose and ends from the US. the hose is different and the fittings are slightly different with the same threaded ends. They are not interchangeable. Cost of 2 new hoses $472.00
I'm buying the hose and 1 end fitting from France.
If anyone else wants to buy either hoses or fittings from France and add to my order please let me know by Thurs 25th by noon eastern time. The order will be shipping to me in Annapolis and i'll forward from here if you pay shipping to your destination.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai
Annapolis, MD