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Re: Spinniker or parasailor

Paul Brown
 

Hi Joerg 

Thanks for the information.

So you use your parasailor without the pole, do you find it easy to launch and retrieve without issues and what wind do from good from and up to? Obviously it performs better than wing on wing with a gennika and Genoa on the pole?

Are you happy with it?

Thank you again for the help 

Regards Paul 


On 4 Aug 2019, at 5:02 pm, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Paul, I have a Parasailor and I use it without a pole.  It's attached to the forestay with an ATN Tacker.  It's much more stable than a symmetrical or asymmetrical spinnaker and much more forgiving - it's very hard to collapse it and if it does collapse, it won't fill with a Big Bang but with a more gentle "woosh."  The "wing" really works.   I would be very careful using the heavy jib pole for a spinnaker or Parasailor - it's dangerous in my view and the manual for the 55 warns against using it for a spinnaker or Parasailor.   One problem is that to take the sail down with the snuffer you will need to swing the pole forward to the forestay - it will then be loose and start swinging around.  I hope that helps.  Joerg Esdorn, A55 #53, Kincsem<IMG_6062.jpg>

Re: Winter storage ashore

Joerg Esdorn
 

One more vote for Basimakopoulos.  My boat was on the hard there for the winter 2017/18.  The yard and their contractors do excellent work and prices are reasonable.  They will connect you with a very reasonable one way car rental from/to the Athens airport - about a 3 hour drive as I recall but scenic.  Joerg Esdorn, A55 #53, Kincsem, Almerimar, Spain
Re: Spinniker or parasailor

Joerg Esdorn
 

Paul, I have a Parasailor and I use it without a pole.  It's attached to the forestay with an ATN Tacker.  It's much more stable than a symmetrical or asymmetrical spinnaker and much more forgiving - it's very hard to collapse it and if it does collapse, it won't fill with a Big Bang but with a more gentle "woosh."  The "wing" really works.   I would be very careful using the heavy jib pole for a spinnaker or Parasailor - it's dangerous in my view and the manual for the 55 warns against using it for a spinnaker or Parasailor.   One problem is that to take the sail down with the snuffer you will need to swing the pole forward to the forestay - it will then be loose and start swinging around.  I hope that helps.  Joerg Esdorn, A55 #53, Kincsem
Re: Winter storage ashore

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Nick,

 We are ashore at Basimakopoulos Shipyard  in Kilada. There is no marina but an excellent, protected anchorage and good storage ashore. The village is a small fishing village where everyone is connected in some way to the Bas. family.  Good cradles, each served with water and electricity. Check their website. 

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington@...>
Sent: 04 August 2019 11:45
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Winter storage ashore
 
Hello fellow Amel owners. I have been enjoying the Ionian Greek cruising ground and am planning to end up the other side of the Peloponnese maybe in Aigina by the end of October. I know there are a couple of yards there and was wondering if anyone has a recommendation as to which one  to haul and store ashore for the winter.
Kind regards
Nick
Amelia AML 53-019 between Preveza and Paxos
Re: Rudder Post Conjecture

CW Bill Rouse
 

Kent,

Sometimes they have minimal staff during shutdown. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Aug 4, 2019 at 8:39 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Will do, Bill.  I guess I’ll have to wait until next month, eh?

Kent Robertson
Kristy
SM 243

On Aug 4, 2019, at 8:42 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

I would order it from Amel. It will be the right size (metric) and come pre-cut and ready to install. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 2:10 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi again,
im ready to order packing material for the first Tim and see that it comes in several sizes, from 1/8”-5/8” in 1/16” increments.  Which is appropriate for a SM rudder post?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

Re: Rudder Post Conjecture

karkauai
 

Will do, Bill.  I guess I’ll have to wait until next month, eh?

Kent Robertson
Kristy
SM 243

On Aug 4, 2019, at 8:42 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

I would order it from Amel. It will be the right size (metric) and come pre-cut and ready to install. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 2:10 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi again,
im ready to order packing material for the first Tim and see that it comes in several sizes, from 1/8”-5/8” in 1/16” increments.  Which is appropriate for a SM rudder post?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

karkauai
 

Thanks Danny, are they half-round ie 1” x 1/2”, or taller ie 1” x 1”?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Aug 4, 2019, at 5:30 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Kent and Bill. I checked on Ocean Pearl today and all the hatch seals unquestionably have the large hole in the center

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 04 August 2019 at 20:11 "karkauai via Groups.Io" <karkauai@...> wrote:

 
 
Here’s the site I was looking at.  These are truly half-round with base 1”, height 1/2”(not 1”).


I’ll contact them and Steve’s site to see if I can find 1” x 1” high D profile in neoprene.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:42, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote:

Steve, 

Note that Trim-LOC says it uses EPDM Rubber. 

EPDM is related to polyethylene...I assume that this will be similar to polyfoam. The specs state that "compression Rating Recommended 25% compression for the maximum performance." This is where I had a failure with the gasket I previously used. If you notice the weight of the engine room hatch, it will compress the D Gasket to more than 25%, especially if the center hole is large.

Maybe the one that Kent found with a 3/16" hole will be the best.


It will take about 90' to do everything.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 1:34 PM Stephen Davis < flyboyscd@...> wrote:
Hi Bill,

How does this product look using the BT Tape?  


Regards,
Steve
Aloha SM72


 


 
Re: Rudder Post Conjecture

CW Bill Rouse
 

I would order it from Amel. It will be the right size (metric) and come pre-cut and ready to install. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 2:10 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi again,
im ready to order packing material for the first Tim and see that it comes in several sizes, from 1/8”-5/8” in 1/16” increments.  Which is appropriate for a SM rudder post?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

Winter storage ashore

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hello fellow Amel owners. I have been enjoying the Ionian Greek cruising ground and am planning to end up the other side of the Peloponnese maybe in Aigina by the end of October. I know there are a couple of yards there and was wondering if anyone has a recommendation as to which one to haul and store ashore for the winter.
Kind regards
Nick
Amelia AML 53-019 between Preveza and Paxos
Re: washing machine and dryer for Amel 54

Lior Keydar <sharona246@...>
 

Thank you all for the great information.
I saw that BEKO WMS6100 is not produced any more but there a few machines on the market that could fit in. The different models changes very quickly on the market. 
Also on my boat the machine is held in place by two bolts attached through the back of the machine. The challenge will be for sure to fit the new machine in and to secure it like the first one.

Thanks again
Lior, SCHARONA A54 #18
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent and Bill. I checked on Ocean Pearl today and all the hatch seals unquestionably have the large hole in the center

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 04 August 2019 at 20:11 "karkauai via Groups.Io" <karkauai@...> wrote:

 
 
Here’s the site I was looking at.  These are truly half-round with base 1”, height 1/2”(not 1”).


I’ll contact them and Steve’s site to see if I can find 1” x 1” high D profile in neoprene.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:42, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote:

Steve, 

Note that Trim-LOC says it uses EPDM Rubber. 

EPDM is related to polyethylene...I assume that this will be similar to polyfoam. The specs state that "compression Rating Recommended 25% compression for the maximum performance." This is where I had a failure with the gasket I previously used. If you notice the weight of the engine room hatch, it will compress the D Gasket to more than 25%, especially if the center hole is large.

Maybe the one that Kent found with a 3/16" hole will be the best.


It will take about 90' to do everything.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 1:34 PM Stephen Davis < flyboyscd@...> wrote:
Hi Bill,

How does this product look using the BT Tape?  


Regards,
Steve
Aloha SM72


 


 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

karkauai
 

Here’s the site I was looking at.  These are truly half-round with base 1”, height 1/2”(not 1”).


I’ll contact them and Steve’s site to see if I can find 1” x 1” high D profile in neoprene.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:42, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Steve, 

Note that Trim-LOC says it uses EPDM Rubber. 

EPDM is related to polyethylene...I assume that this will be similar to polyfoam. The specs state that "compression Rating Recommended 25% compression for the maximum performance." This is where I had a failure with the gasket I previously used. If you notice the weight of the engine room hatch, it will compress the D Gasket to more than 25%, especially if the center hole is large.

Maybe the one that Kent found with a 3/16" hole will be the best.


It will take about 90' to do everything.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 1:34 PM Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote:
Hi Bill,

How does this product look using the BT Tape?  


Regards,
Steve
Aloha SM72
Re: Rudder Post Conjecture

karkauai
 

Hi again,
im ready to order packing material for the first Tim and see that it comes in several sizes, from 1/8”-5/8” in 1/16” increments.  Which is appropriate for a SM rudder post?
Thanks,
Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Re: B & G Hydra System For Sale

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Elaine,

 

Will you split this? I just need the sonic transducers. I’s also be interested to know which Onan parts you have.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Elaine Leishman via Groups.Io
Sent: 03 August 2019 05:41
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] B & G Hydra System For Sale

 

Selling B & G hydra system as removed from 1999 Super Maramu.  Working, except for a fault with the wind transducer.  Sonic speed sensors are brand new, never installed.  Will package and post worldwide.  Contact Elaine via the group.  We also have a lot of spare parts for the Volvo Penta engine and the Onan genset.
Elaine
SM 251 Nebo


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

Stephen Davis
 

Thank you for the info. 

Steve

On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:42, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Steve, 

Note that Trim-LOC says it uses EPDM Rubber. 

EPDM is related to polyethylene...I assume that this will be similar to polyfoam. The specs state that "compression Rating Recommended 25% compression for the maximum performance." This is where I had a failure with the gasket I previously used. If you notice the weight of the engine room hatch, it will compress the D Gasket to more than 25%, especially if the center hole is large.

Maybe the one that Kent found with a 3/16" hole will be the best.


It will take about 90' to do everything.

  



Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 1:34 PM Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote:
Hi Bill,

How does this product look using the BT Tape?  


Regards,
Steve
Aloha SM72

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 8:02 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Kent,

I believe the difference between what is available today in D profile gaskets and what was available to Amel when the SM was made is that gasket manufacturers have changed the density of the neoprene foam used to make the gasket, thereby lowering their material costs, which enables them to lower resale costs, which is the number one thing demanded by buyers. Get it?

That said and assuming I am correct, 1-inch half round gaskets in the configuration of D with a 3/16 hole down the center may be the best solution. Direct me to the source, and I will investigate further.

Does anyone know which of these profiles most closely resembles the originals? 
D Profile with a large hole in the center.

Are the originals truly 1” half-round with 1 inch height?
25mmX25mm (25mm = 0.984252")

What material are they?  Neoprene? Something else?
I think they are  neoprene foam  

What material was used to reinforce them at the corners?
Amel inserted a round piece of solid neoprene foam about 10cm long and about Ø12-15mm inside the D gasket at the corners.
  
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:51 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I posted this s few weeks ago with no definitive answers, trying again.  I want to replace my deck locker gaskets, and haven’t found a source for them other than Amel.  Bill R’s post earlier indicated they are hollow and reinforced at the corners with something in the hollow.  John was looking for a 1inch “half-round” gasket.  Richard built up new gaskets out of neoprene layers. John and Anne found leaking spots with a hose test with her in the locker, and said Amel drilled small holes in the seals at those points and injected silicone which stopped the leaks.

I have found 1-inch half round gaskets in three configurations: D with a large hollow, D with a 3/16 hole down the center, and Solid half round.

Does anyone know which of these profiles most closely resembles the originals?

Are the originals truly 1” half-round with 1inch height?

What material are they?  Neoprene? Something else?

What material was used to reinforce them at the corners?

John and Anne, is the Amel silicone injection repair holding up?

Thanks for any advice/thoughts/sources/etc

Kent
SM243
Kristy

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals

CW Bill Rouse
 

Steve, 

Note that Trim-LOC says it uses EPDM Rubber. 

EPDM is related to polyethylene...I assume that this will be similar to polyfoam. The specs state that "compression Rating Recommended 25% compression for the maximum performance." This is where I had a failure with the gasket I previously used. If you notice the weight of the engine room hatch, it will compress the D Gasket to more than 25%, especially if the center hole is large.

Maybe the one that Kent found with a 3/16" hole will be the best.


It will take about 90' to do everything.

  



Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 1:34 PM Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote:
Hi Bill,

How does this product look using the BT Tape?  


Regards,
Steve
Aloha SM72

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 8:02 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
Kent,

I believe the difference between what is available today in D profile gaskets and what was available to Amel when the SM was made is that gasket manufacturers have changed the density of the neoprene foam used to make the gasket, thereby lowering their material costs, which enables them to lower resale costs, which is the number one thing demanded by buyers. Get it?

That said and assuming I am correct, 1-inch half round gaskets in the configuration of D with a 3/16 hole down the center may be the best solution. Direct me to the source, and I will investigate further.

Does anyone know which of these profiles most closely resembles the originals? 
D Profile with a large hole in the center.

Are the originals truly 1” half-round with 1 inch height?
25mmX25mm (25mm = 0.984252")

What material are they?  Neoprene? Something else?
I think they are  neoprene foam  

What material was used to reinforce them at the corners?
Amel inserted a round piece of solid neoprene foam about 10cm long and about Ø12-15mm inside the D gasket at the corners.
  
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:51 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I posted this s few weeks ago with no definitive answers, trying again.  I want to replace my deck locker gaskets, and haven’t found a source for them other than Amel.  Bill R’s post earlier indicated they are hollow and reinforced at the corners with something in the hollow.  John was looking for a 1inch “half-round” gasket.  Richard built up new gaskets out of neoprene layers. John and Anne found leaking spots with a hose test with her in the locker, and said Amel drilled small holes in the seals at those points and injected silicone which stopped the leaks.

I have found 1-inch half round gaskets in three configurations: D with a large hollow, D with a 3/16 hole down the center, and Solid half round.

Does anyone know which of these profiles most closely resembles the originals?

Are the originals truly 1” half-round with 1inch height?

What material are they?  Neoprene? Something else?

What material was used to reinforce them at the corners?

John and Anne, is the Amel silicone injection repair holding up?

Thanks for any advice/thoughts/sources/etc

Kent
SM243
Kristy

Re: Spinniker or parasailor

Paul Brown
 

Thanks Porter, I appreciate your information and response, food for thought.

Regards Paul 


On 3 Aug 2019, at 8:30 pm, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

To do over...  (I have an asymmetrical spinnaker) I’d get a parasailor: put on one side and pole out the Genoa on the other for deep sailing in low wind. Put the Genoa to wind. We did that a fair amount crossing the pacific, but the parasailor I think would hold shape better. I think we have similar pole hardware forward. 

Porter
A54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Aug 2, 2019, at 11:39 PM, Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

hello all, I am inquiring for some advice on purchasing a symmetrical spinniker or parasail to sail directly down wind by using the Genoa pole.

does owners have experience with a suitable unit for this purpose and the pros and cons and performance gained?

all advice is very much appreciated 

kind regards Paul 55#17 

Fortuna II
Re: B & G Hydra System For Sale

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hello. Chuck Lacey here from Joy SM 388. I would be interested in the speed sensors. Please let me know how to proceed. 
Thank you 

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 9:40 PM Elaine Leishman via Groups.Io <leishman.elaine=yahoo.com.au@groups.io> wrote:
Selling B & G hydra system as removed from 1999 Super Maramu.  Working, except for a fault with the wind transducer.  Sonic speed sensors are brand new, never installed.  Will package and post worldwide.  Contact Elaine via the group.  We also have a lot of spare parts for the Volvo Penta engine and the Onan genset.
Elaine
SM 251 Nebo

Re: This should interest all members, especially Amel yacht owners

Teun BAAS
 

100% agree with below.

Bill was my pre-purchase consultant in 2017; inviting me to their house in GALVESTON TX. Without Bill (AND Judy’s) information, honest feedback on AMEL cruising (look at Judy’s detailed spreadsheet on their 10 year cruising costs) I would have never bought  AMELIT.

Then becoming a YACHT SCHOOL member as well as purchasing the lifetime 24/7/365 consulting, combined with Bill flying all the way to NEW CALEDONIA to be on board for close to 10 days has really helped me to understand the boat better and bring AMELIT (almost) completely back in OEM condition.

As Porter mentioned in an earlier Email last week - these boats are the ultimate & fantastic travel (sea) machines and (Judy +) Bill  as well as this forum have, for me, been indispensable.

Brgds Teun


On Aug 4, 2019, at 05:26, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

Bill Rouse and the Yacht School was our secret weapon to understanding our Amel 54 quickly and logically. I basically had zero experience fixing boats. Through Bill I came to understand not only the ethos of Amel, but how to deal with what seems like insurmountable problems (new furlers, new engine, etc...) in far away places, with a smile on your face. We, my family and myself shake our heads often thanking Bill, without telling him how much we’ve appreciated his help, candor, and amazing attitude as we’ve sailed for the past 2 years. Now we’re in FP with a few miles under our keel. I haven’t walked onto any other sailboat or catamaran I’d rather have. (Also read Fatty Goodlander’s storm proofing your boat, you won’t want anything but an Amel). Thank you Bill for all you’ve done for us and I’m sure they’ll be some echos from all the other folks on this forum: thank you for what you’ve done for Amel!  

Porter, Helen Grace and Lilly McRoberts
S/V Ibis. A54-152
Bora Bora


Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:

I forgot to add a shout out to Bill himself... I never had the scratch for the school, but the remote photography-based evaluation service was a god-send. I highly recommend it to any prospective buyers. 

Re: This should interest all members, especially Amel yacht owners

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Yep Porter. With you on that

Danny

On 04 August 2019 at 06:25 "Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io" <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

Bill Rouse and the Yacht School was our secret weapon to understanding our Amel 54 quickly and logically. I basically had zero experience fixing boats. Through Bill I came to understand not only the ethos of Amel, but how to deal with what seems like insurmountable problems (new furlers, new engine, etc...) in far away places, with a smile on your face. We, my family and myself shake our heads often thanking Bill, without telling him how much we’ve appreciated his help, candor, and amazing attitude as we’ve sailed for the past 2 years. Now we’re in FP with a few miles under our keel. I haven’t walked onto any other sailboat or catamaran I’d rather have. (Also read Fatty Goodlander’s storm proofing your boat, you won’t want anything but an Amel). Thank you Bill for all you’ve done for us and I’m sure they’ll be some echos from all the other folks on this forum: thank you for what you’ve done for Amel!  

Porter, Helen Grace and Lilly McRoberts
S/V Ibis. A54-152
Bora Bora


Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Davi Rozgonyi < davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:

I forgot to add a shout out to Bill himself... I never had the scratch for the school, but the remote photography-based evaluation service was a god-send. I highly recommend it to any prospective buyers.