On 04 August 2019 at 20:11 "karkauai via Groups.Io" <karkauai@...> wrote:

 

 

Here’s the site I was looking at.  These are truly half-round with base 1”, height 1/2”(not 1”).

http://www.acmerubber.com/round.htm

I’ll contact them and Steve’s site to see if I can find 1” x 1” high D profile in neoprene.

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy

karkauai@...

USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:42, CW Bill Rouse < brouse@...> wrote:

Steve, 

Note that Trim-LOC says it uses EPDM Rubber. 

EPDM is related to polyethylene...I assume that this will be similar to polyfoam. The specs state that "compression Rating Recommended 25% compression for the maximum performance." This is where I had a failure with the gasket I previously used. If you notice the weight of the engine room hatch, it will compress the D Gasket to more than 25%, especially if the center hole is large.

Maybe the one that Kent found with a 3/16" hole will be the best.

It will take about 90' to do everything.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Yacht School (formerly Amel School) - Supporting Amel Owners

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

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On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 1:34 PM Stephen Davis < flyboyscd@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

How does this product look using the BT Tape?  

https://www.trimlok.com/rubber-extrusion/epdm-seal/d-profile/1678-series

Regards,

Steve

Aloha SM72

Steve, 

Note that Trim-LOC says it uses EPDM Rubber. 

EPDM is related to polyethylene...I assume that this will be similar to polyfoam. The specs state that "compression Rating Recommended 25% compression for the maximum performance." This is where I had a failure with the gasket I previously used. If you notice the weight of the engine room hatch, it will compress the D Gasket to more than 25%, especially if the center hole is large.

Maybe the one that Kent found with a 3/16" hole will be the best.

It will take about 90' to do everything.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Yacht School (formerly Amel School) - Supporting Amel Owners

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

My Calendar 

Yacht School

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 1:34 PM Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

How does this product look using the BT Tape?  

https://www.trimlok.com/rubber-extrusion/epdm-seal/d-profile/1678-series

Regards,

Steve

Aloha SM72

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Elaine Leishman via Groups.Io
Sent: 03 August 2019 05:41
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] B & G Hydra System For Sale

Selling B & G hydra system as removed from 1999 Super Maramu.  Working, except for a fault with the wind transducer.  Sonic speed sensors are brand new, never installed.  Will package and post worldwide.  Contact Elaine via the group.  We also have a lot of spare parts for the Volvo Penta engine and the Onan genset.
Elaine
SM 251 Nebo

Steve, 

Note that Trim-LOC says it uses EPDM Rubber. 

EPDM is related to polyethylene...I assume that this will be similar to polyfoam. The specs state that "compression Rating Recommended 25% compression for the maximum performance." This is where I had a failure with the gasket I previously used. If you notice the weight of the engine room hatch, it will compress the D Gasket to more than 25%, especially if the center hole is large.

Maybe the one that Kent found with a 3/16" hole will be the best.

It will take about 90' to do everything.

  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Yacht School (formerly Amel School) - Supporting Amel Owners

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

My Calendar 

Yacht School

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 1:34 PM Stephen Davis <flyboyscd@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

How does this product look using the BT Tape?  

https://www.trimlok.com/rubber-extrusion/epdm-seal/d-profile/1678-series

Regards,

Steve

Aloha SM72

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 8:02 AM CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Kent,

I believe the difference between what is available today in D profile gaskets and what was available to Amel when the SM was made is that gasket manufacturers have changed the density of the neoprene foam used to make the gasket, thereby lowering their material costs, which enables them to lower resale costs, which is the number one thing demanded by buyers. Get it?

That said and assuming I am correct, 1-inch half round gaskets in the configuration of D with a 3/16 hole down the center may be the best solution. Direct me to the source, and I will investigate further.

Does anyone know which of these profiles most closely resembles the originals? 

D Profile with a large hole in the center.

Are the originals truly 1” half-round with 1 inch height?

25mmX25mm (25mm = 0.984252")

What material are they?  Neoprene? Something else?

I think they are  neoprene foam  

What material was used to reinforce them at the corners?

Amel inserted a round piece of solid neoprene foam about 10cm long and about Ø12-15mm inside the D gasket at the corners.

  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Yacht School (formerly Amel School) - Supporting Amel Owners

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

My Calendar 

Yacht School

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:51 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I posted this s few weeks ago with no definitive answers, trying again.  I want to replace my deck locker gaskets, and haven’t found a source for them other than Amel.  Bill R’s post earlier indicated they are hollow and reinforced at the corners with something in the hollow.  John was looking for a 1inch “half-round” gasket.  Richard built up new gaskets out of neoprene layers. John and Anne found leaking spots with a hose test with her in the locker, and said Amel drilled small holes in the seals at those points and injected silicone which stopped the leaks.

I have found 1-inch half round gaskets in three configurations: D with a large hollow, D with a 3/16 hole down the center, and Solid half round.

Does anyone know which of these profiles most closely resembles the originals?

Are the originals truly 1” half-round with 1inch height?

What material are they?  Neoprene? Something else?

What material was used to reinforce them at the corners?

John and Anne, is the Amel silicone injection repair holding up?

Thanks for any advice/thoughts/sources/etc

Kent
SM243
Kristy

To do over...  (I have an asymmetrical spinnaker) I’d get a parasailor: put on one side and pole out the Genoa on the other for deep sailing in low wind. Put the Genoa to wind. We did that a fair amount crossing the pacific, but the parasailor I think would hold shape better. I think we have similar pole hardware forward. 

Porter

A54-152

Excuse the errors.  

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On Aug 2, 2019, at 11:39 PM, Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

hello all, I am inquiring for some advice on purchasing a symmetrical spinniker or parasail to sail directly down wind by using the Genoa pole.

does owners have experience with a suitable unit for this purpose and the pros and cons and performance gained?

all advice is very much appreciated 

kind regards Paul 55#17 

Fortuna II

Bill Rouse and the Yacht School was our secret weapon to understanding our Amel 54 quickly and logically. I basically had zero experience fixing boats. Through Bill I came to understand not only the ethos of Amel, but how to deal with what seems like insurmountable problems (new furlers, new engine, etc...) in far away places, with a smile on your face. We, my family and myself shake our heads often thanking Bill, without telling him how much we’ve appreciated his help, candor, and amazing attitude as we’ve sailed for the past 2 years. Now we’re in FP with a few miles under our keel. I haven’t walked onto any other sailboat or catamaran I’d rather have. (Also read Fatty Goodlander’s storm proofing your boat, you won’t want anything but an Amel). Thank you Bill for all you’ve done for us and I’m sure they’ll be some echos from all the other folks on this forum: thank you for what you’ve done for Amel!  

Porter, Helen Grace and Lilly McRoberts

S/V Ibis. A54-152

Bora Bora

Excuse the errors.  

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On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:

I forgot to add a shout out to Bill himself... I never had the scratch for the school, but the remote photography-based evaluation service was a god-send. I highly recommend it to any prospective buyers. 

On 04 August 2019 at 06:25 "Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io" <portermcroberts@...> wrote:

Bill Rouse and the Yacht School was our secret weapon to understanding our Amel 54 quickly and logically. I basically had zero experience fixing boats. Through Bill I came to understand not only the ethos of Amel, but how to deal with what seems like insurmountable problems (new furlers, new engine, etc...) in far away places, with a smile on your face. We, my family and myself shake our heads often thanking Bill, without telling him how much we’ve appreciated his help, candor, and amazing attitude as we’ve sailed for the past 2 years. Now we’re in FP with a few miles under our keel. I haven’t walked onto any other sailboat or catamaran I’d rather have. (Also read Fatty Goodlander’s storm proofing your boat, you won’t want anything but an Amel). Thank you Bill for all you’ve done for us and I’m sure they’ll be some echos from all the other folks on this forum: thank you for what you’ve done for Amel!  

Porter, Helen Grace and Lilly McRoberts

S/V Ibis. A54-152

Bora Bora

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 

Www.fouribis.com

On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:09 PM, Davi Rozgonyi < davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:

I forgot to add a shout out to Bill himself... I never had the scratch for the school, but the remote photography-based evaluation service was a god-send. I highly recommend it to any prospective buyers. 

On 04 August 2019 at 06:02 CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Kent,

I believe the difference between what is available today in D profile gaskets and what was available to Amel when the SM was made is that gasket manufacturers have changed the density of the neoprene foam used to make the gasket, thereby lowering their material costs, which enables them to lower resale costs, which is the number one thing demanded by buyers. Get it?

That said and assuming I am correct,  1-inch half round gaskets in the configuration of D with a 3/16 hole down the center may be the best solution. Direct me to the source, and I will investigate further.

Does anyone know which of these profiles most closely resembles the originals? 

D Profile with a large hole in the center.

Are the originals truly 1” half-round with 1 inch height?

25mmX25mm (25mm = 0.984252")

What material are they?  Neoprene? Something else?

I think they are  neoprene foam  

What material was used to reinforce them at the corners?

Amel inserted a round piece of solid  neoprene foam  about 10cm long and about Ø12-15mm inside the D gasket at the corners.

  

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Yacht School (formerly Amel School) - Supporting Amel Owners

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

My Calendar 

Yacht School

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:51 AM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai= yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I posted this s few weeks ago with no definitive answers, trying again.  I want to replace my deck locker gaskets, and haven’t found a source for them other than Amel.  Bill R’s post earlier indicated they are hollow and reinforced at the corners with something in the hollow.  John was looking for a 1inch “half-round” gasket.  Richard built up new gaskets out of neoprene layers. John and Anne found leaking spots with a hose test with her in the locker, and said Amel drilled small holes in the seals at those points and injected silicone which stopped the leaks.

I have found 1-inch half round gaskets in three configurations: D with a large hollow, D with a 3/16 hole down the center, and Solid half round.

Does anyone know which of these profiles most closely resembles the originals?

Are the originals truly 1” half-round with 1inch height?

What material are they?  Neoprene? Something else?

What material was used to reinforce them at the corners?

John and Anne, is the Amel silicone injection repair holding up?

Thanks for any advice/thoughts/sources/etc

Kent
SM243
Kristy

 

 

hello all, I am inquiring for some advice on purchasing a symmetrical spinniker or parasail to sail directly down wind by using the Genoa pole.

does owners have experience with a suitable unit for this purpose and the pros and cons and performance gained?

all advice is very much appreciated 

kind regards Paul 55#17 

Fortuna II