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Re: Amel is going lithium
Scott SV Tengah
Arno,
The small cycles don't really bother lithium. Granted this is only one biased source but I've seen plenty of other non-biased sources stating the same. https://gwl-power.tumblr.com/post/130701906811/faq-lifepo4-cycle-life-based-on-dod-the-graph We typically try to go no lower than 70% DOD and that should get us thousands and thousands of cycles. That is over 10 years even as full time liveaboards. One solution, which requires some experimentation, is to set lower absorption voltages. It's not super easy as lithium doesn't drop in voltage much as you draw them down or even when you have high current draws, for that matter. So it's hard to pick a voltage to get your target state of charge level. But based on my observations, if you set around 27.2V absorption on my Victron lifepo4 batteries, that should get you around 50-60% state of charge, near ideal for long term storage and hence the ideal "full" level when you're on shore power. -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah www.svtengah.com
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Re: Amel is going lithium
Porter,
I have the Duo and generally make water using the batteries. Something about running the genset, putting all that soot in the water and then sucking it up to make water makes me nervous! I run the water maker as 220v now and then to keep things from corroding from non-use. How many Ah do you get a day from your wind generator on average? We get about 200-250AH a day from our solar panels and it's nearly enough. I'm at the point now where I worry that we're not using the genset enough and it'll develop problems from non-use. But as they say, energy is like money. You think you'll be happy with X but then you get to X and you think, but if I only I had Y more, I would have enough. :) -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah www.svtengah.com
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Re: Amel is going lithium
Hi Scott,
There is no doubt that Lithium is the future direction, so it’s great to see Amel moving that way. I would personally love to see a write up on your installation for the 54. It’s great to see those little (and not so little!) practical improvements that you mention. As someone who gets concerned when my (AGM) bank drops under 85%, I can only imagine a world where I could (in theory) get 4 or 5 times the power from a full charge. i wonder if Tuen Baas (Amelit) would also care to chime in here? I know that the previous owner of the 54 Amelit installed Lithium batteries, and I understand it did not work out, but I don’t know the exact reason. All great and interesting stuff! Dean SY Stella A54-154
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Re: Genoa car springs
Miles
I need to replace the springs in my genoa car and your method of getting the bar out is encouraging. Can you please let me know the size of the spring and were to get it? Thanks and fair winds, Miles Sm 216 Ladybug, Newport Harbor, RI
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Purchasing an Amel 55
Gerry, I like all Amel models including the 55 and the 50 and 60. Most all are significantly different. . You should contact me at bill@.... I offer Pre-Purchase consulting. I also offer one hour at no charge. Check out www.yachyscool.us Bill Rouse
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 12:52 PM Gerry Filgiano <filgiano@...> wrote:
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Re: Mango Sail sizes
Gerry Filgiano
Hi, Bill,
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I have joined the owners group forum as a prospective buyer of an Amel. I was chartering in Greece last month and was speaking with an owner of a 54. I am considering buying a 54 or a 55 and he mentioned that you have some reservations about the 55. Would you expand on that since I am leaning towards a55 and would hate to find out the hard way what the issues are. Speaking with Boris at the Annapolis boat show a couple of years ago gave me the impression that the 55 was far superior but then again, he’s in the business of selling new boats. Do you have any thoughts on the topic? Thanks very much, Gerry Filgiano
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Re: Mango Sail sizes
Gerry Filgiano
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I replied only to you since I understand that this would not be an acceptable discussion in the forum. Thanks Gerry Filgiano
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Re: Hoping to tour an Amel Santorin in USA
Check with Chris Stanley, Starkist, on the Rio Dulce, Guatemala. Several there. Don’t know what’s for sale....
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~~~⛵️~~~Matt
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Re: Genoa car springs
Patrick McAneny
Alan, I replaced my springs a year or so ago. My boat is a few years older than yours,and I had no problem getting the rod out , but I remember it came out differently than I imagined , but was obvious upon inspection.The block is anodized and I remember no corrosion . What I am having a problem with is getting the rod out of the hatches ,so to replace those big springs,they are corroded in place and will not budge .
Good Luck ,
Pat
SM # 123
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From: Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2019 8:40 pm Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Genoa car springs I need to replace the springs in one of my Antal genoa cars.
The springs and block are attached to the car by a stainless rod that runs from fwd to aft and is dead ended at the aft end. There is a split pin through a hole in the rod to prevent the rod from coming out. I can't turn the rod to get the split pin out...and even if I could I doubt that I could get the rod out. Has anyone done this before? Any advice on how to remove that rod ? Thanks Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: Hoping to tour an Amel Santorin in USA
Update - Craig and Katherine Briggs of SN Sangaris very graciously offered to give my wife and I a tour of their boat in South Florida this past weekend. I'd like to publicly thank them for being exceptionally generous with their time and knowledge. They are fantastic ambassadors for Amel. I had no sooner set foot on deck before Craig had me rigging up one of the articulating poles and rolling out the genoa so that he could show me the ballooner and halyard retrieval system. Throughout the morning and afternoon, it would seem that Craig left no system on Sangaris unexplained. The average broker with money on the line wouldn't even have given as thorough a tour of a boat!
Seeing the boat in the flesh confirmed our suspicions that this is a design would serve our purposes well. A Santorin is now at the top of our short list. We are very much hoping that a well-kept one will come up for sale on this side of the Atlantic in the coming 6-9 months, as right now they appear to all be in Europe. If any forum members know of one that may be coming on to the market in the US or Caribbean, we would welcome the heads up.
Thanks again to
Craig and Katherine. Cheers, Will Marks
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Re: Spinnaker or parasailor
Joerg Esdorn
Hi Stefania, the A55 doesn't have the "horns" but that should not mean that you cannot have a Parasailor on your boat. There are several SMs with "horns" and Parasailors so you should compare your setup to an SM. I suspect it's not a problem but it all depends how your spinnaker halyard is run at the top of the mast. Any spinnaker even a Code Zero should have the same issue as a Parasailor as regards the "horns". As to the number of winches, you will need only 2 winches if you attach the Para to your forestay with an ATN tacker although even in that case we use another winch to tighten the barber hauler. But that's not necessary for your boat - you could just use a block and tackle (Flaschenzug) or even a single line led to a cleat. If, on the other hand, you run the para sailor with 2 sheets and 2 guys, you will need 2 winches on each side of your boat.
As to manageability, the issue arises when you take the sail down because the wind has picked up too much. Then it depends a bit on how fit you are. I'm 64 but I'm very fit and have sailed for 50 years plus. So I'm comfortable on the bow of my boat. You will need on reasonably fit person to haul the bag into the boat (once the snuffer is down) and one person who can let the halyard down. On the other hand, for your boat the Parasailor may be quite a bit smaller than the 175 m2 for the A55! I hope this helps! Cheers Joerg Joerg Esdorn A55 #53 Kincsem
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Re: Genoa car springs
A trick an old mechanic taught me:
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Mix 50% acetone with 50% Automatic Transmission Fluid. (Keep mixture tightly capped as the acetone evaporates off, quickly, in a few days if not). Keep the corroded parts soaked in this mixture. May require several applications per day. Do this for 3 or 4 days. This mixture should penetrate the corrosion and loosen things up enough to remove. If, after this, it’s still frozen, clean up, and apply heat. This stuff has always worked for me. Good luck. ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Aug 5, 2019, at 2:22 AM, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:
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Mango Sail sizes
Need sail sizes for 1986 Mango with furling main. Best, CW Bill Rouse Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners www.YachtSchool.us 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: Did you catch 4 errors on the Delos series 205?
Delos learned Amel things the hard way, like many of us did in the past. If you learned the hard way, you know how costly that can be. Even though they broadcast more than a few errors, they certainly know how to dramatically use their videos to create income. There is a hidden benefit to what they do. They have increased Amel brand awareness to thousands. My new-to-Amel clients usually know Delos. I find myself frequently answering questions beginning with, Delos did it this way..." My answers always begin with, "Yes, let's learn the best way..." Best, CW Bill Rouse Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners www.YachtSchool.us 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 10:05 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote: Hi,
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Re: New York: Registration for motorized dinghy / foreign flagged sailboat
amelforme
Ross, good to see you join in. Amelian was coined by Jeff Krause, a fellow New Yorker from Lownghilend. He owns an Amel 54 SPIRIT which used to be called HOLLIS when I owned it.
Be nice to Alex. The last thing he needs is to end up in Rikers Island for not paying a matured New York citation…
Glad you are still with the group.
All The Best, Joel
JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C. THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE Office 954-462-5869 Cell 954-812-2485
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of rossny@...
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2019 8:47 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New York: Registration for motorized dinghy / foreign flagged sailboat
Alex, Just row your boat, leave the motor on the mothership and use your oars. They can give you a ticket with the motor but you probably will never see them patrolling again even if you stay awhile. If you're not staying long just take the ticket and save it as a souvenir from N.Y., they will not go after you in Switzerland. Where in NY are you? If I can help with local knowledge, I live in the Hudson valley near NYC so call me. You can call me a sailor but even if l still owned an Amel I wouldn't want to be called a Amelian, Ha...who the hall started that??? Best Regards, Ross in NY Cell = 845.8two5,7six57
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker seals
Kent, Yes. 1" or 25mm Best, CW Bill Rouse Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners www.YachtSchool.us 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: Rudder Post Conjecture
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On Aug 4, 2019, at 11:05 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
Hi Kent, It is worth it to get it from Amel, It is precut and fits perfectly. Order 2 sets and a spare packing nut. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
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Re: Amel is going lithium
Hi Scott,
Yes, I would be interested as well. I noticed in the very extensive description of the A60 that the now incorporate a fan inside the battery compartment. I wonder what led to this. I’m considering to build my own bank using the Chinese Wilson cells. Fun fact; the (very expensive) Mastervolt Lithium batteries also use these cells but hide them in a Mastervolt box. My biggest issue with the whole Lithium story is that Lithium batteries should ideally be disconnected from the charger once they are full. The concept of “float” does not apply to Lithium batteries. Now this becomes an issue if you are long term on shore power. I know not all Amels do this but for us this is reality. The way to solve this is to toggle the charger (using a breaker relay) and keep the loads on the battery side or disconnect the batteries and keep the loads on the charger side. Both have drawbacks. The first adds lots of small cycles to the batteries. Also you need to decide when to resume recharging (by programming the BMS, the Battery Management System) The second assumes your charger can handle all the 24 volt power needs when connected to shore-power. Also you need to reconnect the batteries very fast if shore-power is interrupted (planned or unplanned) to prevent several of the 24 volt systems to suffer from power interruption (fridges don’t like that for example). Most “drop in replacement” solutions are designed without a clear explanation how they handle this problem. When building your own battery pack you can buy many different BMS systems. Most of them are designed of off-grid living (on land) and do not address this issue as it not relevant for them. So I’m curious what you all did to be “Living on Lithium”. Regards, Arno Luijten, SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: New York: Registration for motorized dinghy / foreign flagged sailboat
rossny@mail.com
Alex, Just row your boat, leave the motor on the mothership and use your oars. They can give you a ticket with the motor but you probably will never see them patrolling again even if you stay awhile. If you're not staying long just take the ticket and save it as a souvenir from N.Y., they will not go after you in Switzerland. Where in NY are you? If I can help with local knowledge, I live in the Hudson valley near NYC so call me. You can call me a sailor but even if l still owned an Amel I wouldn't want to be called a Amelian, Ha...who the hall started that??? Best Regards, Ross in NY Cell = 845.8two5,7six57 Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Re: Spinnaker or parasailor
ste.dente
Hallo Joerg and all Amelians,
I have read with much interest your description of your way of using the parasailor on your 55. I have a Santorini with my man Dietmar; we are thinking about buying a parasailor since 2 years, but it seems there are some problems using it on a Santorin. The first problem seems to be the 2 “horns” at the top of the Genoa furler: do you have it on the 55? and did you have to remove it using the parasailor? The second problem are the winches: the Santorini just has 2 winches: are they enough or we have to mount some others winches or “blocks”? Third and last doubt is: is the parasailor really manageable by just two 60andmoreyears old people? Sorry for my bad English! I hope you can understand my questions. Thanks a lot for your time. Fair wind Stefania and Dietmar SY Euploia SN #93 Actually in Skinousa ( Cyclades, Greece)
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