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Re: Antal Block and Dyneema loops

Patrick McAneny
 

Wolfgang,We just made that passage , I don't think there is enough water to get into the Cape May harbor and the Bay inlet is restricted by a fixed bridge. In settled weather you can anchor just about anywhere along the coast in less than 20 ft. of water. BTW if heading north you can round the Cape very close to shore ,just need to pick your way around a couple of shoals and  that saves a few miles going all the way out and around the shoal area. I don't think there is many or any inlets on the Jersey coast to go into given our draft.
Good Luck ,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2019 10:35 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Antal Block and Dyneema loops

Good morning ,
I received the dyneema loops by Amel and ask now the group for any advice or recommendations for the way to Change the loops at the Antal Block. First try after getting out the screw was without effect to get out the roll.Will I loose the balls of the bearings 
Thank you very much Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 on Delaware River to Cape May ( any recommendations for Marina or anchorage?)

Re: Antal Block and Dyneema loops

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Wolfgang;

We replaced the loops by removing the screw you mentioned and took the roller out. You will not lose any ball bearings. It did take some work to get the roller out due to salt and dust. Stay at it and it will come out.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Aug 7, 2019, at 4:35 PM, Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...> wrote:

Good morning ,
I received the dyneema loops by Amel and ask now the group for any advice or recommendations for the way to Change the loops at the Antal Block. First try after getting out the screw was without effect to get out the roll.Will I loose the balls of the bearings 
Thank you very much Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 on Delaware River to Cape May ( any recommendations for Marina or anchorage?)

Antal Block and Dyneema loops

Wolfgang Weber
 

Good morning ,
I received the dyneema loops by Amel and ask now the group for any advice or recommendations for the way to Change the loops at the Antal Block. First try after getting out the screw was without effect to get out the roll.Will I loose the balls of the bearings 
Thank you very much Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 on Delaware River to Cape May ( any recommendations for Marina or anchorage?)

Re: Did you catch 4 errors on the Delos series 205?

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Could you specify the four errors you identified on the Delos video for anyone that is still just marginally Amel challenged?  Thanks.
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54

Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, watermaker?

Mark McGovern
 

Dean,

I've winterized my SM for the last two years.  For the watermaker I did as Mark from Balcen (Dessalator USA distributor) suggested and used marine/rv anti-freeze and it seems to have worked fine as my watermaker output and quality in terms of TDS/EC has been just about the same.  Be sure to drain the flowmeter tube!  

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, watermaker?

Thomas Peacock
 

Mark from Dessalator in the US recommends the pink anti-freeze (propylene glycol) alone as an alternative to metabisulfite. So, in cold weather you have both bases covered. 
If you did use metabisulfite, you could add glycerol, but I’m not sure about the ratio. 

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay US


On Aug 7, 2019, at 5:37 AM, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi folks,
We will be wintering ashore this year at Ardrossan, Scotland where there is a possibility of subzero temperatures and I intend to take measures to combat possible damage due to freezing. I’ve never wintered in such conditions, so it’s a new process for me. I’m comfortable with the obvious stuff like empty water tanks, drain lines, anti-freeze in engine/gen raw water coolant lines etc.

One area that is puzzling me a little is the watermaker system. I’m thinking about some kind of non-toxic antifreeze solution?  

What do others with such potentially sub-zero wintering conditions do with their watermakers?

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella A54-154
Islay

Re: Storm tactics

Peter Forbes
 

Hi Brian,

I bought and carried a sea anchor parachute (to be launched from the cockpit but streams just off dead ahead) full kit unused thankfully.

After I had bought it I became certain that I had got it wrong and I should have bought a Jordan Drogue which lots of Americans have.  I think a Jordan drogue (lots of small parachutes) is easier to launch and to recover at the end. I did a lot of research.

Just my small input.

Best wishes in your decision.

Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In LA Rochelle

On 7 Aug 2019, at 08:16, Brian Riggs <7briggs@...> wrote:

Hello all,

What are your thoughts on using a para-anchor or storm rated sea anchor type setup?

Brian Riggs
Future Amel Owner

Re: Storm tactics

Brian Riggs
 

Hello all,

What are your thoughts on using a para-anchor or storm rated sea anchor type setup?

Brian Riggs
Future Amel Owner

Re: Amel is going lithium

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Scott,
I am full of admiration for your bold step into Lithium. I was tempted two and a bit years ago when I bought Amelia but I decided I wanted to go with Firefly AGM carbon foam but then I simply could not get them fast enough for my cruising itinerary so I went Lifeline AGM and 530w solar as well as  two Rutland 1200 wind generators. 
I am happy with my set up but you have taken that next step...well done.
I am curious, the one thing that I can not get without generator or main engine is HOT WATER....
Do you use the inverter to power the immersion hot water??? Does that add up with your general battery management regime?
I really get the washing machine and general day to day stuff and an  amazed you can run one aircon unit and still not be running the generator for long.
Nick
Amelia (AML 54-019)
Preveza, Greece


On 7 Aug 2019, at 10:05, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Scott;

 

Very impressive numbers. I am familiar the Lithium battery technology and all the benefits you mention, since we have been using it in giant scale radio control airplane models (Up to 60% scale) for years.

 

The one major issue with lithium that has prevented us from making the change to Lithium on Kokomo, has been safety. There have been many cases of these batteries burning down models as well as houses, when the fire happened to occur in the house.

 

In most cases the issue has been misuse or equipment failure, that has led to overcharge/discharge but some that seem to have been without any external input and not during usage  As far as I have observed, , once the fire starts, it cannot be extinguished with standard firefighting equipment. It basically seems to need to burn itself out.

 

Do you know which lithium technology Mastervolt uses? (Lithium Polymer, ION, LIFE, or ?) Did you ever happen to address the safety and evaluate the hazards with this technology? What was your conclusion and how do you view the hazards associated with these batteries?

 

I would also be interested in seeing a picture of your solar setup, if you have one. Thanks for posting all the useful information and data.

 

 

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 5:25 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel is going lithium

 

Very interesting re serial vs parallel. I do find a big drop in production with shading, much better days if the wind keeps the solar pointed towards the sun. I’ll have to run a bit more wire to the mppt. I’ll try that in NZ and see what we get. Thanks for the suggestion!!

 

Appreciated 

 

Porter A54-152

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Aug 6, 2019, at 2:18 PM, Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:

Porter, 

I guess you mean far from the panels to the mppt? 

Maybe you can experiment with parallel to see if you get higher output. I believe parallel is better than serial when you have shading on some panels and not others. 

I have the 3 pairs of wires from the panels to a switch in the aft lazarette.  Then one pair from the lazarette to the mppt which is behind the main switches in the passage berth. Of course the batteries are near there. 

Seems to be no problem with the distance as I'm getting up to 6500wh per day as you can see on the data I posted earlier. 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, watermaker?

Dean Gillies
 

Hi folks,
We will be wintering ashore this year at Ardrossan, Scotland where there is a possibility of subzero temperatures and I intend to take measures to combat possible damage due to freezing. I’ve never wintered in such conditions, so it’s a new process for me. I’m comfortable with the obvious stuff like empty water tanks, drain lines, anti-freeze in engine/gen raw water coolant lines etc.

One area that is puzzling me a little is the watermaker system. I’m thinking about some kind of non-toxic antifreeze solution?  

What do others with such potentially sub-zero wintering conditions do with their watermakers?

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella A54-154
Islay

Re: Amel is going lithium

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Scott;

 

We do use LIPO, LI-ION and LiFEpo4 in our hobby and am familiar with the safety vs. energy storage, weight, # of cycles differences. I agree that that LiFepo4 would be the safest choice out of the group and most likely provide the highest number of cycles. It is probably the heaviest of the group, which would not be an issue on a displacement cruising yacht.

 

I look forward to your findings and opinion. We just replaced our AGM batteries last year and will most likely try to go Lithium for our next bank switch over which hopefully will not be for another 3 years plus. I would assume that would be plenty of time for the industry to work out any bugs in the system and technology, as applies to cruising yachts.

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott SV Tengah via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 1:59 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel is going lithium

 

Mohammad,

Both Victron, which I have and Mastervolt use lifepo4 chemistry, a much safer (but less energy dense) technology than the lithium ion that is more common. I don't know much about RC planes, but I assume for weight, they'd go with the lithium ion, which is far more prone to catching fire and when they do have thermal runaway, burn much hotter and are likely to ignite adjacent cells.

I'll write about my thoughts on safety in a later post. I'm sure you know about the relative safety of lifepo4, but here's a FAA fire hazard analysis done on the various battery types as they are often used in real airplanes. I read this last year before I was contemplating adding lithium to my boat.

Lifepo4 is shown to be safer than the other lithium chemistries. 

https://www.fire.tc.faa.gov/pdf/TC-16-17.pdf

While safer, it's not without risk. Then again, neither is lead acid as I personally know the owner of an Amel who experienced an unexplained lead acid battery bank explosion. Luckily no one was sleeping on the passage berth at the time.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Amel is going lithium

Scott SV Tengah
 

Mohammad,

Both Victron, which I have and Mastervolt use lifepo4 chemistry, a much safer (but less energy dense) technology than the lithium ion that is more common. I don't know much about RC planes, but I assume for weight, they'd go with the lithium ion, which is far more prone to catching fire and when they do have thermal runaway, burn much hotter and are likely to ignite adjacent cells.

I'll write about my thoughts on safety in a later post. I'm sure you know about the relative safety of lifepo4, but here's a FAA fire hazard analysis done on the various battery types as they are often used in real airplanes. I read this last year before I was contemplating adding lithium to my boat.

Lifepo4 is shown to be safer than the other lithium chemistries. 

https://www.fire.tc.faa.gov/pdf/TC-16-17.pdf

While safer, it's not without risk. Then again, neither is lead acid as I personally know the owner of an Amel who experienced an unexplained lead acid battery bank explosion. Luckily no one was sleeping on the passage berth at the time.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Genoa car springs

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Ken
My initial issue is to get the cotter pin out, the rod won't turn 
...I'm going to have to destroy the pin and then try again 
Cheers 
Alan 
ELYSE SM437

Re: Amel is going lithium

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Scott;

 

Very impressive numbers. I am familiar the Lithium battery technology and all the benefits you mention, since we have been using it in giant scale radio control airplane models (Up to 60% scale) for years.

 

The one major issue with lithium that has prevented us from making the change to Lithium on Kokomo, has been safety. There have been many cases of these batteries burning down models as well as houses, when the fire happened to occur in the house.

 

In most cases the issue has been misuse or equipment failure, that has led to overcharge/discharge but some that seem to have been without any external input and not during usage  As far as I have observed, , once the fire starts, it cannot be extinguished with standard firefighting equipment. It basically seems to need to burn itself out.

 

Do you know which lithium technology Mastervolt uses? (Lithium Polymer, ION, LIFE, or ?) Did you ever happen to address the safety and evaluate the hazards with this technology? What was your conclusion and how do you view the hazards associated with these batteries?

 

I would also be interested in seeing a picture of your solar setup, if you have one. Thanks for posting all the useful information and data.

 

 

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 5:25 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel is going lithium

 

Very interesting re serial vs parallel. I do find a big drop in production with shading, much better days if the wind keeps the solar pointed towards the sun. I’ll have to run a bit more wire to the mppt. I’ll try that in NZ and see what we get. Thanks for the suggestion!!

 

Appreciated 

 

Porter A54-152

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Aug 6, 2019, at 2:18 PM, Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:

Porter, 

I guess you mean far from the panels to the mppt? 

Maybe you can experiment with parallel to see if you get higher output. I believe parallel is better than serial when you have shading on some panels and not others. 

I have the 3 pairs of wires from the panels to a switch in the aft lazarette.  Then one pair from the lazarette to the mppt which is behind the main switches in the passage berth. Of course the batteries are near there. 

Seems to be no problem with the distance as I'm getting up to 6500wh per day as you can see on the data I posted earlier. 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Dessslator HP hoses

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Eric,
Thank u very much for your help.
This time it was faster for us to order from Dessalator France.
1 day delivery time only.
We have been a bit in a hurry to get it working because we got visitors.
I think it might be better to get pure SS fittings. The originals are mix brass and SS and i ran in some electrolysis problems. Not sure if its the material mix or something else?

Thanks Oliver
Vela Nautica
A54#39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessslator HP hoses
From: eric freedman
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
CC:


The JIC is a designation of the connection. It does not necessarily have to be reusable. Most are not. I will bet that a hydraulic shop can make you the hoses with stainless steel fittings permanently pressed on.

Did you bring a hose to a bigger hydraulic shop?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 3:53 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessslator HP hoses

 

Eric, thanks,
It turned out to become a problem here in Faro, Portugal. JIC looks like its not so available in europe?

Oliver from Vela Nautica
A54#39
Faro, Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessslator HP hoses
From: eric freedman
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
CC:


Oliver, you can get the JIC fittings at any good hydraulic shop.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 11:37 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessslator HP hoses

 

Hi All,
I ran into same problem and the hose from high pressure pump came off before i could change my hoses.
Does anybody know how these terminals are caled? What kind of connector is that?
Since I learned here that the end fittings are reusable i will order the hoses in France.
Dessalator did not give a hint that I can reuse the fittings.

Oliver A54#39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Dessslator HP hoses
From: "Aldo Roldan via Groups.Io"
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:

Alan.  Would you please provide the Dessalator US rep information? I was not aware they had one.  Thank you . Aldo

 

A55- Araucaria 


On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

Hi All, im about to order new HP hoses from the dessalator rep in the US. The end fittings are reusable and so you only need to buy the hose unless like me one of your ends are damaged.
There are 2 options for this.
1: buy the hose from France and any ends that you need. Hose $40 fittings $93.00 each, shipping $70
2: buy new hose and ends from the US. the hose is different and the fittings are slightly different with the same threaded ends. They are not interchangeable. Cost of 2 new hoses $472.00
I'm buying the hose and 1 end fitting from France.
If anyone else wants to buy either hoses or fittings from France and add to my order please let me know by Thurs 25th by noon eastern time. The order will be shipping to me in Annapolis and i'll forward from here if you pay shipping to your destination.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SV Ora Pai
Annapolis, MD

Re: Genoa car springs

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

I did this in one of my videos called "Booms and Running Rigging!
Changes and what they cost" Not sure if you have the same car or not,
but this is how I did mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_XB5qfptqQ

This is pretty much a step by step.... Some say that you should not
cut the track, but I disagree. If done correctly, it will make it
easy the next time you have to remove the car.

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K#262
Currently in Indonesia

On 8/5/19, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:
I need to replace the springs in one of my Antal genoa cars.
The springs and block are attached to the car by a stainless rod that runs
from fwd to aft and is dead ended at the aft end.
There is a split pin through a hole in the rod to prevent the rod from
coming out.
I can't turn the rod to get the split pin out...and even if I could I doubt
that I could get the rod out.
Has anyone done this before?
Any advice on how to remove that rod ?
Thanks
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

eric freedman
 

Hi,

Thanks for the info.

I don’t know what is available in Italy , however Amazon has a few.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eamonn Washington
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 4:54 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Shore power contactor burnt out

 

Hi

The aft lazarette shore power breaker is mounted in a plastic purpose made housing with just the breaker switches protruding.  The manual transfer switch is housed in the original housing of the original contactor, after a little cutting.

No, I was not able to source a galvanic isolator here but it is on my to-do list.  What size galvanic isolator is required?  With 20A breakers I suppose it makes no sense to go for a higher rated galvanic isolator for the earth connection.

--
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Cagliari, Sardinia, Italy.

Re: Amel is going lithium

Porter McRoberts
 

Very interesting re serial vs parallel. I do find a big drop in production with shading, much better days if the wind keeps the solar pointed towards the sun. I’ll have to run a bit more wire to the mppt. I’ll try that in NZ and see what we get. Thanks for the suggestion!!

Appreciated 

Porter A54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Aug 6, 2019, at 2:18 PM, Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:

Porter, 

I guess you mean far from the panels to the mppt? 

Maybe you can experiment with parallel to see if you get higher output. I believe parallel is better than serial when you have shading on some panels and not others. 

I have the 3 pairs of wires from the panels to a switch in the aft lazarette.  Then one pair from the lazarette to the mppt which is behind the main switches in the passage berth. Of course the batteries are near there. 

Seems to be no problem with the distance as I'm getting up to 6500wh per day as you can see on the data I posted earlier. 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Amel is going lithium

Scott SV Tengah
 

Porter, 

I guess you mean far from the panels to the mppt? 

Maybe you can experiment with parallel to see if you get higher output. I believe parallel is better than serial when you have shading on some panels and not others. 

I have the 3 pairs of wires from the panels to a switch in the aft lazarette.  Then one pair from the lazarette to the mppt which is behind the main switches in the passage berth. Of course the batteries are near there. 

Seems to be no problem with the distance as I'm getting up to 6500wh per day as you can see on the data I posted earlier. 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Amel is going lithium

Stephen Davis
 

Sorry....Wrong recipient!

On Aug 6, 2019, at 11:02 AM, Stephen Davis via Groups.Io <flyboyscd@...> wrote:

Very cool...Hope I’m able to still do that when I’m 82. This is my cool ne airplane. 

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On Aug 6, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Hey Scott, thank you and I was figuring a 5000w inverter upgrade (Maybe a 7500w when available)to run all from 24v when possible, I too have a Bauer junior. I guess then genset is still a great reliable generation item and needed for those jobs, but’s it is great to live off batteries most of the time and look forward to the day when it’s easy.

Nice sharing with you and thanks for the advice 

Regards Paul Fortuna II A55#17


On 6 Aug 2019, at 8:36 pm, Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:

Paul,

At the risk of costing you some money on upgrades, I will say that being able to run all the 220v appliances without the genset is one of the biggest advantages of having lithium. Especially the washing machine as it takes such a long time and has such variable draw but a low average draw, so you're unnecessarily adding runtime to the genset unless you batch it with a lot of other uses.

We have the Victron Quattro 24v/5000va/120amp. At 5000watts, more or less, the only 220v appliance that won't run is the Bauer Junior II scuba compressor. And that's only due to the startup current required. I can probably start the scuba compressor with the genset and continue with the inverter. With your mostly Mastervolt setup, I'd suggest sticking to Mastervolt so the batteries can talk to the inverter. But I'm sure Mastervolt has a similar product.

The danger of having that much inverter capacity is that people sometimes think it's really like being at home. The admiral has been known to run the electric boiler, induction stovetop and microwave at the same time on battery/inverter. With respect to the batteries, it's only around half the recommended continuous draw, but it still makes me cringe!

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com