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Re: Storm tactics

Jacob Champness
 

Oh, I see that you addressed that further down. 

Has anyone here added the additional chainplates?  The Maramu has what looks to be a very sturdy and unused pair of chainplates, which I understand is used to hoist each hull into a test tank before launching. (Not sure if the Super Maramu has that as well)   I was thinking that would be a good attachment point, but it leaves the question of how to run the legs of the bridle back to the transom and overboard without chafing.  I'd appreciate any thoughts...

Thanks!
Jacob
Lark, Maramu #42
Mistake Island, Maine

Re: Deleware Bay --> Cape May anchorages

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Hi Wolfgang,
There's a wonderful "secret" anchorage on that route. It's the Cohansey River part way down Delaware Bay and you can anchor around any bend as you go up the river. This is an old commercial freighter port and has lots of depth going in and all the way up the river. Keep entry light "1C" close to port going in and then stay far left for 6 to 7 Meters (20-25 feet) of water. If you go up a few bends there's a fun restaurant at Hancock Marine where you can tie off at their dock. Approach depth is 3-4 meters.  In calm winds there are mosquitoes the farther up the river you go.
At Cape May you can easily carry your draft into the inlet and anchor either to the left towards the Coast Guard Station or to the right before the bridge or past it. Watch for 180° tide change.
Check Active Captain for more info on these anchorages.
Cheers, Craig - SN68 Sangaris - Tropic Isle Harbor FL

Re: Storm tactics

Jacob Champness
 

Hey Eric-- 
Did you add chain plates to attach the drogue?  If not, where and how do you attach it?  Have you ever had to use it?
Thanks,
Jacob
Lark, Maramu #42
Mistake Island, Maine

Re: Amel is going lithium

Scott SV Tengah
 

Mark,

If you look at Dessalator specs you'll see that it does operate much more efficiently at 24v vs 220v.

https://www.dessalator.fr/en/products/price-list/

For my Duo100, operating at 220v uses nearly 60% more wattage than operating at 24v. Moreover, inverters aren't 100% efficient so I try to go 24v whenever possible.

BTW does your 160l/h actually produce 160l/h? The gauge on mine will show 100+ but measuring via the floating dipstick shows the tank is only getting 80l
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Cabin sole revarnishing

smiles bernard
 

Hello there

Our cabin sole needs some tlc. Family sailing with young boys onboard means it’s seen some action and I need to revarnish it.

In high traffic areas we are down through varnish to bare wood in patches.

I’d greatly appreciate any advice on how best to restore the floor.

Do you think I need to remove all the existing varnish 1st? If so I assume cabinet scrappers would be the best option - if very slow :(

Then I was thinking of a few coats of epoxy ?? and then a matt varnish. Perhaps a water based one so it’s not so toxic during the application

It’d be great to get any tips from folk who have done this before


Many thanks in advance

Miles
Maramu 162
Plymouth Uk

Re: Amel is going lithium

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

In the information you provided on August 6 you mentioned that your water maker outputs approximately 80 LPH consuming 600 W.  We have the Dessalator 160 which is 220 V only.  When operating it is speced at 16 A or 3520 W.  Dividing in half to correct down to 80 LPH assuming a straight line function we would use 1760 W or approximately 3 times the power consumption for the same output as your Dessalator. 

 

Could you please verify your power consumption and water output?  I would like to try to determine if I have something wrong with my Dessalator or the Duo operates extremely efficiently on 24 V.  Thanks.
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54

Re: Amel is going lithium

Scott SV Tengah
 
Edited

Nick,

I can and have run the hot water heater on battery. It's only 700w so similar to the water maker, but of course 220v so inverter inefficiencies come into play.

To clarify, I can do all of those things I mentioned earlier. I can run the water maker on battery alone, I can run AC all night on battery, I can heat water. That is a testament to lithium's ability to handle high current loads with no issue. But those are extraordinary uses - my 960w solar array cannot output enough power if I engage in those high current loads every day. That said, the charging efficiency and current "intake" capacity of lithium makes the panels far more efficient than they would be with lead/agm/gel.

I do cook with induction, dishwasher, microwave daily on battery, though.

Hope this helps.
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Storm tactics

Peter Forbes
 

Thank s Brian - good luck choosing!

Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In La Rochelle

On 7 Aug 2019, at 17:37, Brian Riggs <7briggs@...> wrote:

Peter,

I've been doing more research on this...again. I used to own a 27' off-shore center console power cat with a ParaTech sea Anchor. That's very different from say an Amel Santorin. I'm currently leaning towards a JDS if budget and space require me to choose. Otherwise, I'd have both and be prepared for both. However, I expect my first inclination would be to reach for the JDS.

This link provides a good, although sometimes heated, discussion. I think there is a good deal of value that can be learned for this.
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f90/jordan-series-drogue-vs-paratech-sea-anchor-42662.html

Cheers!
Brian Riggs
Future Amel Owner

Re: Storm tactics

Brian Riggs
 

Peter,

I've been doing more research on this...again. I used to own a 27' off-shore center console power cat with a ParaTech sea Anchor. That's very different from say an Amel Santorin. I'm currently leaning towards a JDS if budget and space require me to choose. Otherwise, I'd have both and be prepared for both. However, I expect my first inclination would be to reach for the JDS.

This link provides a good, although sometimes heated, discussion. I think there is a good deal of value that can be learned for this.
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f90/jordan-series-drogue-vs-paratech-sea-anchor-42662.html

Cheers!
Brian Riggs
Future Amel Owner

Re: Antal Block and Dyneema loops

Matt Salatino
 

Utch’s, not Utah, darned spellcheck!

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 7, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

We’ve been into Cape May, twice.
Once, in the anchorage, and once fueling at Utah’s Marina.
It is shallow, but manageable.
Radio the marina for directions in deep water. When fueling, we diverted course, in, fueled, and out, in under two hours....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 7, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:

Wolfgang,We just made that passage , I don't think there is enough water to get into the Cape May harbor and the Bay inlet is restricted by a fixed bridge. In settled weather you can anchor just about anywhere along the coast in less than 20 ft. of water. BTW if heading north you can round the Cape very close to shore ,just need to pick your way around a couple of shoals and  that saves a few miles going all the way out and around the shoal area. I don't think there is many or any inlets on the Jersey coast to go into given our draft.
Good Luck ,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2019 10:35 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Antal Block and Dyneema loops

Good morning ,
I received the dyneema loops by Amel and ask now the group for any advice or recommendations for the way to Change the loops at the Antal Block. First try after getting out the screw was without effect to get out the roll.Will I loose the balls of the bearings 
Thank you very much Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 on Delaware River to Cape May ( any recommendations for Marina or anchorage?)

Re: Antal Block and Dyneema loops

Matt Salatino
 

We’ve been into Cape May, twice.
Once, in the anchorage, and once fueling at Utah’s Marina.
It is shallow, but manageable.
Radio the marina for directions in deep water. When fueling, we diverted course, in, fueled, and out, in under two hours....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 7, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:

Wolfgang,We just made that passage , I don't think there is enough water to get into the Cape May harbor and the Bay inlet is restricted by a fixed bridge. In settled weather you can anchor just about anywhere along the coast in less than 20 ft. of water. BTW if heading north you can round the Cape very close to shore ,just need to pick your way around a couple of shoals and  that saves a few miles going all the way out and around the shoal area. I don't think there is many or any inlets on the Jersey coast to go into given our draft.
Good Luck ,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2019 10:35 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Antal Block and Dyneema loops

Good morning ,
I received the dyneema loops by Amel and ask now the group for any advice or recommendations for the way to Change the loops at the Antal Block. First try after getting out the screw was without effect to get out the roll.Will I loose the balls of the bearings 
Thank you very much Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 on Delaware River to Cape May ( any recommendations for Marina or anchorage?)

Re: Antal Block and Dyneema loops

Patrick McAneny
 

Wolfgang,We just made that passage , I don't think there is enough water to get into the Cape May harbor and the Bay inlet is restricted by a fixed bridge. In settled weather you can anchor just about anywhere along the coast in less than 20 ft. of water. BTW if heading north you can round the Cape very close to shore ,just need to pick your way around a couple of shoals and  that saves a few miles going all the way out and around the shoal area. I don't think there is many or any inlets on the Jersey coast to go into given our draft.
Good Luck ,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Aug 7, 2019 10:35 am
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Antal Block and Dyneema loops

Good morning ,
I received the dyneema loops by Amel and ask now the group for any advice or recommendations for the way to Change the loops at the Antal Block. First try after getting out the screw was without effect to get out the roll.Will I loose the balls of the bearings 
Thank you very much Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 on Delaware River to Cape May ( any recommendations for Marina or anchorage?)

Re: Antal Block and Dyneema loops

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Wolfgang;

We replaced the loops by removing the screw you mentioned and took the roller out. You will not lose any ball bearings. It did take some work to get the roller out due to salt and dust. Stay at it and it will come out.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Aug 7, 2019, at 4:35 PM, Wolfgang Weber via Groups.Io <webercardio@...> wrote:

Good morning ,
I received the dyneema loops by Amel and ask now the group for any advice or recommendations for the way to Change the loops at the Antal Block. First try after getting out the screw was without effect to get out the roll.Will I loose the balls of the bearings 
Thank you very much Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 on Delaware River to Cape May ( any recommendations for Marina or anchorage?)

Antal Block and Dyneema loops

Wolfgang Weber
 

Good morning ,
I received the dyneema loops by Amel and ask now the group for any advice or recommendations for the way to Change the loops at the Antal Block. First try after getting out the screw was without effect to get out the roll.Will I loose the balls of the bearings 
Thank you very much Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162 on Delaware River to Cape May ( any recommendations for Marina or anchorage?)

Re: Did you catch 4 errors on the Delos series 205?

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Could you specify the four errors you identified on the Delos video for anyone that is still just marginally Amel challenged?  Thanks.
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54

Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, watermaker?

Mark McGovern
 

Dean,

I've winterized my SM for the last two years.  For the watermaker I did as Mark from Balcen (Dessalator USA distributor) suggested and used marine/rv anti-freeze and it seems to have worked fine as my watermaker output and quality in terms of TDS/EC has been just about the same.  Be sure to drain the flowmeter tube!  

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, watermaker?

Thomas Peacock
 

Mark from Dessalator in the US recommends the pink anti-freeze (propylene glycol) alone as an alternative to metabisulfite. So, in cold weather you have both bases covered. 
If you did use metabisulfite, you could add glycerol, but I’m not sure about the ratio. 

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay US


On Aug 7, 2019, at 5:37 AM, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Hi folks,
We will be wintering ashore this year at Ardrossan, Scotland where there is a possibility of subzero temperatures and I intend to take measures to combat possible damage due to freezing. I’ve never wintered in such conditions, so it’s a new process for me. I’m comfortable with the obvious stuff like empty water tanks, drain lines, anti-freeze in engine/gen raw water coolant lines etc.

One area that is puzzling me a little is the watermaker system. I’m thinking about some kind of non-toxic antifreeze solution?  

What do others with such potentially sub-zero wintering conditions do with their watermakers?

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella A54-154
Islay

Re: Storm tactics

Peter Forbes
 

Hi Brian,

I bought and carried a sea anchor parachute (to be launched from the cockpit but streams just off dead ahead) full kit unused thankfully.

After I had bought it I became certain that I had got it wrong and I should have bought a Jordan Drogue which lots of Americans have.  I think a Jordan drogue (lots of small parachutes) is easier to launch and to recover at the end. I did a lot of research.

Just my small input.

Best wishes in your decision.

Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In LA Rochelle

On 7 Aug 2019, at 08:16, Brian Riggs <7briggs@...> wrote:

Hello all,

What are your thoughts on using a para-anchor or storm rated sea anchor type setup?

Brian Riggs
Future Amel Owner

Re: Storm tactics

Brian Riggs
 

Hello all,

What are your thoughts on using a para-anchor or storm rated sea anchor type setup?

Brian Riggs
Future Amel Owner

Re: Amel is going lithium

ngtnewington Newington
 

Hi Scott,
I am full of admiration for your bold step into Lithium. I was tempted two and a bit years ago when I bought Amelia but I decided I wanted to go with Firefly AGM carbon foam but then I simply could not get them fast enough for my cruising itinerary so I went Lifeline AGM and 530w solar as well as  two Rutland 1200 wind generators. 
I am happy with my set up but you have taken that next step...well done.
I am curious, the one thing that I can not get without generator or main engine is HOT WATER....
Do you use the inverter to power the immersion hot water??? Does that add up with your general battery management regime?
I really get the washing machine and general day to day stuff and an  amazed you can run one aircon unit and still not be running the generator for long.
Nick
Amelia (AML 54-019)
Preveza, Greece


On 7 Aug 2019, at 10:05, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Scott;

 

Very impressive numbers. I am familiar the Lithium battery technology and all the benefits you mention, since we have been using it in giant scale radio control airplane models (Up to 60% scale) for years.

 

The one major issue with lithium that has prevented us from making the change to Lithium on Kokomo, has been safety. There have been many cases of these batteries burning down models as well as houses, when the fire happened to occur in the house.

 

In most cases the issue has been misuse or equipment failure, that has led to overcharge/discharge but some that seem to have been without any external input and not during usage  As far as I have observed, , once the fire starts, it cannot be extinguished with standard firefighting equipment. It basically seems to need to burn itself out.

 

Do you know which lithium technology Mastervolt uses? (Lithium Polymer, ION, LIFE, or ?) Did you ever happen to address the safety and evaluate the hazards with this technology? What was your conclusion and how do you view the hazards associated with these batteries?

 

I would also be interested in seeing a picture of your solar setup, if you have one. Thanks for posting all the useful information and data.

 

 

 

Respectfully;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 5:25 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel is going lithium

 

Very interesting re serial vs parallel. I do find a big drop in production with shading, much better days if the wind keeps the solar pointed towards the sun. I’ll have to run a bit more wire to the mppt. I’ll try that in NZ and see what we get. Thanks for the suggestion!!

 

Appreciated 

 

Porter A54-152

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Aug 6, 2019, at 2:18 PM, Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:

Porter, 

I guess you mean far from the panels to the mppt? 

Maybe you can experiment with parallel to see if you get higher output. I believe parallel is better than serial when you have shading on some panels and not others. 

I have the 3 pairs of wires from the panels to a switch in the aft lazarette.  Then one pair from the lazarette to the mppt which is behind the main switches in the passage berth. Of course the batteries are near there. 

Seems to be no problem with the distance as I'm getting up to 6500wh per day as you can see on the data I posted earlier. 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com