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Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

John Clanton <jclanton@...>
 

Matt,

If you are interested in hearing about our positive experiences, please send me a note at clanton@... and we can discuss off line. 


John

On Aug 8, 2019, at 17:58, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

Thanks!
I’ll give a call...

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 8, 2019, at 2:19 PM, John Clanton <jclanton@...> wrote:

Matt,

 

I took delivery of my 55 in La Rochelle last year.  We took the same route as you are planning and received a very favorable quote from Pantaenius.  I have been very happy with Kerry Gonzales, a broker out of Florida, who represents different underwriters.  Her contact information is:

 

Kerry Gonzalez

AMG Insurance International

(772) 742-2401 Direct Dial

(317) 670-2112 Cell

 

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

Currently in Nice, France

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 12:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Sorry to jump in on this thread....

We are taking possession of our Amel 50 in Sept.

We are searching for insurance now.

USA flagged, but cruising the Iberian Peninsula and the Med.

Thanks in advance...

~~~⛵️~~~Matt


On Aug 8, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Mike,

 

I am assuming you are USA flagged?

 

I spent a lot of time on insurance after Pantaenius USA changed their Caribbean policy requirements to a point where it was just about impossible to comply.

 

If you are not planning on being anywhere near the Caribe during the season, try talking to Scott:

 

Scott Stusek | Vice President

 

PANTAENIUS America Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue |Harrison, NY 10528 | United States of America

Tel. 443-569-7995 | Fax. 443-569-7996 | Cell 914-217-7991 sstusek@pantaenius.com | www.pantaenius.us

 

 

Another option that may work for you is an awesome company called Novamar. It is an A-Rated insurance company with a really easy to understand policy. The contact is Chris. He is an independent agency who writes a lot of policies for Novamar.

 

Chris Boome Insurance Agency

LIC# 0A99058

751 Laurel Street #216

San Carlos, CA 94070

O: 650-517-3160  C: 650-464-0728

WWW.CHRISBOOME.COM

E-mail: chris@...

 

 

Both of the companies above will offer a stated value / declared value policies.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 10:42 AM
To:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Having been dropped by Travelers we are receiving quotes for coverage for East Coast US and Caribbean (not hurricane season). Age is apparently a factor in rates and Aletes is a 1998 hull. Received quote from IRSUS Inc./Aspen American Insurance Company for $4797 on hull value of $225,000 with 5% deductible. Does anyone have experience with this company?

Geico quote was $5808 with 4% deductible.

Thoughts?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Chesapeake Bay


Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

Matt Salatino
 

Thanks!
I’ll give a call...

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 8, 2019, at 2:19 PM, John Clanton <jclanton@...> wrote:

Matt,

 

I took delivery of my 55 in La Rochelle last year.  We took the same route as you are planning and received a very favorable quote from Pantaenius.  I have been very happy with Kerry Gonzales, a broker out of Florida, who represents different underwriters.  Her contact information is:

 

Kerry Gonzalez

AMG Insurance International

(772) 742-2401 Direct Dial

(317) 670-2112 Cell

 

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

Currently in Nice, France

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 12:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Sorry to jump in on this thread....

We are taking possession of our Amel 50 in Sept.

We are searching for insurance now.

USA flagged, but cruising the Iberian Peninsula and the Med.

Thanks in advance...

~~~⛵️~~~Matt


On Aug 8, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Mike,

 

I am assuming you are USA flagged?

 

I spent a lot of time on insurance after Pantaenius USA changed their Caribbean policy requirements to a point where it was just about impossible to comply.

 

If you are not planning on being anywhere near the Caribe during the season, try talking to Scott:

 

Scott Stusek | Vice President

 

PANTAENIUS America Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue |Harrison, NY 10528 | United States of America

Tel. 443-569-7995 | Fax. 443-569-7996 | Cell 914-217-7991 sstusek@pantaenius.com | www.pantaenius.us

 

 

Another option that may work for you is an awesome company called Novamar. It is an A-Rated insurance company with a really easy to understand policy. The contact is Chris. He is an independent agency who writes a lot of policies for Novamar.

 

Chris Boome Insurance Agency

LIC# 0A99058

751 Laurel Street #216

San Carlos, CA 94070

O: 650-517-3160  C: 650-464-0728

WWW.CHRISBOOME.COM

E-mail: chris@...

 

 

Both of the companies above will offer a stated value / declared value policies.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 10:42 AM
To:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Having been dropped by Travelers we are receiving quotes for coverage for East Coast US and Caribbean (not hurricane season). Age is apparently a factor in rates and Aletes is a 1998 hull. Received quote from IRSUS Inc./Aspen American Insurance Company for $4797 on hull value of $225,000 with 5% deductible. Does anyone have experience with this company?

Geico quote was $5808 with 4% deductible.

Thoughts?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Chesapeake Bay


Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

John Clanton <jclanton@...>
 

Matt,

 

I took delivery of my 55 in La Rochelle last year.  We took the same route as you are planning and received a very favorable quote from Pantaenius.  I have been very happy with Kerry Gonzales, a broker out of Florida, who represents different underwriters.  Her contact information is:

 

Kerry Gonzalez

AMG Insurance International

(772) 742-2401 Direct Dial

(317) 670-2112 Cell

 

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

Currently in Nice, France

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 12:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Sorry to jump in on this thread....

We are taking possession of our Amel 50 in Sept.

We are searching for insurance now.

USA flagged, but cruising the Iberian Peninsula and the Med.

Thanks in advance...

~~~⛵️~~~Matt


On Aug 8, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Mike,

 

I am assuming you are USA flagged?

 

I spent a lot of time on insurance after Pantaenius USA changed their Caribbean policy requirements to a point where it was just about impossible to comply.

 

If you are not planning on being anywhere near the Caribe during the season, try talking to Scott:

 

Scott Stusek | Vice President

 

PANTAENIUS America Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue |Harrison, NY 10528 | United States of America

Tel. 443-569-7995 | Fax. 443-569-7996 | Cell 914-217-7991 sstusek@pantaenius.com | www.pantaenius.us

 

 

Another option that may work for you is an awesome company called Novamar. It is an A-Rated insurance company with a really easy to understand policy. The contact is Chris. He is an independent agency who writes a lot of policies for Novamar.

 

Chris Boome Insurance Agency

LIC# 0A99058

751 Laurel Street #216

San Carlos, CA 94070

O: 650-517-3160  C: 650-464-0728

WWW.CHRISBOOME.COM

E-mail: chris@...

 

 

Both of the companies above will offer a stated value / declared value policies.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 10:42 AM
To:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Having been dropped by Travelers we are receiving quotes for coverage for East Coast US and Caribbean (not hurricane season). Age is apparently a factor in rates and Aletes is a 1998 hull. Received quote from IRSUS Inc./Aspen American Insurance Company for $4797 on hull value of $225,000 with 5% deductible. Does anyone have experience with this company?

Geico quote was $5808 with 4% deductible.

Thoughts?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Chesapeake Bay


Re: Genoa car springs

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks very much Gary...good thoughts 
Cheers 
Alan
Elyse SM 437


Re: Amel is going lithium

Scott SV Tengah
 

Paul,

I can't really predict for you, but I would guess as long as you spend most of your time around 50% and don't let it drop below 30% very often, the 15-20 year lifetime sounds very realistic.

Keep in mind that ONE over voltage or ONE under voltage condition can irreversibly damage the cell and likely the battery. That's why the BMS is there but all the charging sources need to be able to cut off charging once the BMS tells them to do so. And if any of the cell voltages drop below the safe level per the BMS, there should be an automatic disconnect of all the loads. Given the way Amels are wired, this last part has been a struggle for me.

You ideally should keep it at 40-50% while its wintered. Whatever you do, don't keep it at 100%. The Victron chargers don't have a direct way to specify target SOC, so I had to find a workaround.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Insurance carriers

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

I recently met a 2001 SM owner who had a near lightning strike that killed most of the electronics on board.  His broker is Hanham Insurance Agency.  Not sure of the brokers name but the mobile number is 843.276.1608; I think the underwriter is Yacht Insurers.  He has been pleased with the service he has received including the funding of the repairs which are ongoing currently.  hanhaminsurance.com

--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Insurance carriers

Matt Salatino
 

Sorry to jump in on this thread....
We are taking possession of our Amel 50 in Sept.
We are searching for insurance now.
USA flagged, but cruising the Iberian Peninsula and the Med.
Thanks in advance...

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 8, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Mike,

 

I am assuming you are USA flagged?

 

I spent a lot of time on insurance after Pantaenius USA changed their Caribbean policy requirements to a point where it was just about impossible to comply.

 

If you are not planning on being anywhere near the Caribe during the season, try talking to Scott:

 

Scott Stusek | Vice President

 

PANTAENIUS America Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue |Harrison, NY 10528 | United States of America

Tel. 443-569-7995 | Fax. 443-569-7996 | Cell 914-217-7991 sstusek@pantaenius.com | www.pantaenius.us

 

 

Another option that may work for you is an awesome company called Novamar. It is an A-Rated insurance company with a really easy to understand policy. The contact is Chris. He is an independent agency who writes a lot of policies for Novamar.

 

Chris Boome Insurance Agency

LIC# 0A99058

751 Laurel Street #216

San Carlos, CA 94070

O: 650-517-3160  C: 650-464-0728

WWW.CHRISBOOME.COM

E-mail: chris@...

 

 

Both of the companies above will offer a stated value / declared value policies.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 10:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Having been dropped by Travelers we are receiving quotes for coverage for East Coast US and Caribbean (not hurricane season). Age is apparently a factor in rates and Aletes is a 1998 hull. Received quote from IRSUS Inc./Aspen American Insurance Company for $4797 on hull value of $225,000 with 5% deductible. Does anyone have experience with this company?

Geico quote was $5808 with 4% deductible.

Thoughts?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Chesapeake Bay


Re: Insurance carriers

Mark Erdos
 

Mike,

 

I am assuming you are USA flagged?

 

I spent a lot of time on insurance after Pantaenius USA changed their Caribbean policy requirements to a point where it was just about impossible to comply.

 

If you are not planning on being anywhere near the Caribe during the season, try talking to Scott:

 

Scott Stusek | Vice President

 

PANTAENIUS America Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue |Harrison, NY 10528 | United States of America

Tel. 443-569-7995 | Fax. 443-569-7996 | Cell 914-217-7991 sstusek@pantaenius.com | www.pantaenius.us

 

 

Another option that may work for you is an awesome company called Novamar. It is an A-Rated insurance company with a really easy to understand policy. The contact is Chris. He is an independent agency who writes a lot of policies for Novamar.

 

Chris Boome Insurance Agency

LIC# 0A99058

751 Laurel Street #216

San Carlos, CA 94070

O: 650-517-3160  C: 650-464-0728

WWW.CHRISBOOME.COM

E-mail: chris@...

 

 

Both of the companies above will offer a stated value / declared value policies.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 10:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Having been dropped by Travelers we are receiving quotes for coverage for East Coast US and Caribbean (not hurricane season). Age is apparently a factor in rates and Aletes is a 1998 hull. Received quote from IRSUS Inc./Aspen American Insurance Company for $4797 on hull value of $225,000 with 5% deductible. Does anyone have experience with this company?

Geico quote was $5808 with 4% deductible.

Thoughts?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Chesapeake Bay


Insurance carriers

Mike Ondra
 

Having been dropped by Travelers we are receiving quotes for coverage for East Coast US and Caribbean (not hurricane season). Age is apparently a factor in rates and Aletes is a 1998 hull. Received quote from IRSUS Inc./Aspen American Insurance Company for $4797 on hull value of $225,000 with 5% deductible. Does anyone have experience with this company?

Geico quote was $5808 with 4% deductible.

Thoughts?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Chesapeake Bay


Re: Genoa car springs

Matt Salatino
 

Good I f, thanks!

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 8, 2019, at 10:04 AM, Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver@...> wrote:

Rico


Re: Did you catch 4 errors on the Delos series 205?

Matt Salatino
 

We are fans of Delos.
Have been watching them for a couple of years now.
The Amel was not really a relevant part of why we watched, though it is more interesting since we became Amelians....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 8, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

I, for.one, have learned a few things from their videos.  Yes, I've spotted a few things along the way that made me say "oh, I could've helped you with (or prevent) that!" but by in large thwy handle the boat right.  
I agree with Bill that Delos is a great marketing tool but .. they are in business as a video production company first and as an Amelian second.  The benefits and spinoff srom their work can't be denied though!  

I do look forward to their episodes :)

Gary W.
SM 299, Adagio
Cape May, NJ (underway). 


Re: Deleware Bay --> Cape May anchorages

Gary Wells
 

Wolfgang,

Good to be hanging out with another Amel last night in Cape May.  Quite a.little squall last evening!
The smaller boat next to us drug back and the young couple were fighting the whole time; they must've been near hypothermic by the time.it was all over.

At any rate, wishing you a good sail and we'll wave when you pass us (again)!!

Cheers,

Gary and Robin
SM 209, Adagio
underway @ Atlantic City


Re: Amel is going lithium

Paul Brown
 

Hi Scott 

I do like your thinking and see you have muchbmore understanding than I.

I generally run my 720ah lithium MV down to around 30% before I top them up with the generator and usually only to about 50 or 60 %, maybe every 2 weeks I will charge to 100% when I’m making water or washing machine or aircon or all, otherwise I’m relaxed at anchor and keep them around 50%, the 550w 24v solar contributes to 75% of my general 24v/220 inverter power consumption 

How many cycles do you think I’ll get and how many years of life seeing the boat is wintered 6 months a year?

The MV technician said he would think 15 to 20 years total life, as they are relatively new technology they don’t really have those statistics but at a guess.

Regards Paul-Fortuna II 55#17


On 8 Aug 2019, at 2:31 pm, Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:

Nick,

When I run the WM, the Dessalator gauge reads well over 100 liters per hour but it appears a bit optimistic. I assume you're checking the dipstick prior to running it for one hour and then checking again after 1 hour of runtime? I am aware of the effect of salinity and temperature but I'm loathe to try to put it higher into the red in order to try to squeeze out some more output. I'd rather just keep it in the recommended green and run it a bit longer.

In any event, with respect to the battery charging routine, it's really just a math problem. I average a bit over 200 AH a day from my solar panels. I run two fridges and a freezer. I cook with induction. I use the electric kettle to make coffee. I use my laptop. Those uses are more or less fixed. With that usage and decent sun, the battery bank doesn't drop below 35% for days. The recommended/acceptable practice is to run it down to 20% SOC, but I get nervous at 30%. So I have 450*.7 = 315AH of usable capacity. Add in 200AH of solar output and I have 515AH per day to work with. We don't use that much per day so it lasts a few days.

Lately I've been trying to keep between 40-80% state of charge, if possible. That's the least stressful for the batteries and extends their life. I won't run the genset early in the day if I think solar will push the bank above 80% that day and I don't run high draw appliances if I'm near 40% without running the genset. I'll charge to 100% if I know it won't be staying there long - eg I may run the genset to charge to 100% before a full night of air conditioning on battery. Keeping a lithium bank at 100%, especially in high ambient temps, is not good for them.

I treat my batteries very well due to the initial cost. Most would simply take it to 20% and fire up the genset to take it to 100% without any other adjustments.  Even with that "abuse", they'll get 2000 cycles out of them. It's certainly simpler and I may be overthinking it, but I don't mind a bit of extra thinking to make them last a few thousand extra cycles.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Genoa car springs

Gary Silver
 

Hi Alan:  

A couple of thoughts:

1.  I highly recommend modifying the track so that you can remove the car easily by simply removing one bolt at the aft end of the track.  See my picture below on this, my prior post, and/or as shown in the video link posted above. 
2.  Once the car is removed (so you don't have penetrating oil dousing your gelcoat etc) and you can remove the PVC runners,  patiently apply penetrating oil (PB Blaster, Kroil, Mouse Milk or similar) to the recess / counter-bore into which the shaft seats.  Do this for  a period of days or even weeks.  You also might try heating the entire car (with the plastic parts removed) in an oven.  I probably wouldn't exceed 200 degrees F.  Periodically grip the shaft with the padded jaws of  Vice-Grip pliers and rotate, even if you don't perceive any movement this will assist the penetrating oil.   Sooner or later, with patience, the shaft should loosen and be removable.  If those measures don't work and you have access to dry ice, do the oven treatment then apply dry ice to the shaft only (thereby shrinking it dimensionally). 
3.  If you haven't already sourced the springs and/or runners, they are available from Euro Marine Trading (the USA Antal Dealer)  USA Phone #  401 849-0060  ,  62 Halsey Street, Unit M, Newport, RI  02840  USA

1.  Runner Inserts are G30, 40A PVC Inserts 160 ml long (US $ 18.45 per set of two in 2017)
2.  Stainless Steel Stand-Up Bracket Spring   part number Y-X1041 (US $ 7.86 each in 2019) 

I wish you luck,

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona    Amel SM 2000  Hull # 335
On the hard in Puerto Del Rey Marina, Puerto Rico




Re: Did you catch 4 errors on the Delos series 205?

Gary Wells
 

I, for.one, have learned a few things from their videos.  Yes, I've spotted a few things along the way that made me say "oh, I could've helped you with (or prevent) that!" but by in large thwy handle the boat right.  
I agree with Bill that Delos is a great marketing tool but .. they are in business as a video production company first and as an Amelian second.  The benefits and spinoff srom their work can't be denied though!  

I do look forward to their episodes :)

Gary W.
SM 299, Adagio
Cape May, NJ (underway). 


Re: Amel is going lithium

Scott SV Tengah
 

Nick,

When I run the WM, the Dessalator gauge reads well over 100 liters per hour but it appears a bit optimistic. I assume you're checking the dipstick prior to running it for one hour and then checking again after 1 hour of runtime? I am aware of the effect of salinity and temperature but I'm loathe to try to put it higher into the red in order to try to squeeze out some more output. I'd rather just keep it in the recommended green and run it a bit longer.

In any event, with respect to the battery charging routine, it's really just a math problem. I average a bit over 200 AH a day from my solar panels. I run two fridges and a freezer. I cook with induction. I use the electric kettle to make coffee. I use my laptop. Those uses are more or less fixed. With that usage and decent sun, the battery bank doesn't drop below 35% for days. The recommended/acceptable practice is to run it down to 20% SOC, but I get nervous at 30%. So I have 450*.7 = 315AH of usable capacity. Add in 200AH of solar output and I have 515AH per day to work with. We don't use that much per day so it lasts a few days.

Lately I've been trying to keep between 40-80% state of charge, if possible. That's the least stressful for the batteries and extends their life. I won't run the genset early in the day if I think solar will push the bank above 80% that day and I don't run high draw appliances if I'm near 40% without running the genset. I'll charge to 100% if I know it won't be staying there long - eg I may run the genset to charge to 100% before a full night of air conditioning on battery. Keeping a lithium bank at 100%, especially in high ambient temps, is not good for them.

I treat my batteries very well due to the initial cost. Most would simply take it to 20% and fire up the genset to take it to 100% without any other adjustments.  Even with that "abuse", they'll get 2000 cycles out of them. It's certainly simpler and I may be overthinking it, but I don't mind a bit of extra thinking to make them last a few thousand extra cycles.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, watermaker?

Thomas Peacock
 

Pretty sure the Starbrite is good. Main ingredient should be propylene glycol. 
For engine and gen, we would close the engine room through-hull, then run engine while pouring pink stuff through the sea chest until you could see it coming out the exhaust. Same for gen. 
I would not want to guarantee, but the engine room does stay a little warmer as it is lower, and derives “heat” from the cold Scottish water. Some people augment this with a 100 watt incandescent bulb (if you can find one). 
As I recall, to totally antifreeze the engines, watermaker, and fresh water system, you might go through ten gallons. 
Not sure about the water maker tube, we never did it, watermaker was already asleep with metabi and glycerine. Our manual says to use 10 liters chlorine free water, 100 grams metabi, and 2 liters glycerine ( which provides the antifreeze property). I don’t know if the glycerine can pass through the membrane, it is a very small molecule, kind of like water by structure (OH-OH-OH). If so, that would also protect the tube. Pretty sure propylene glycol will not pass through. 

Tom Peacock
SM #240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay US


On Aug 8, 2019, at 6:49 AM, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Thanks Mark and Tom,
I’ve found the Starbrite Pink antifreeze online at Force4 chandlery in the UK. Good to -46C.
I think it’s probably the same product that you use, since it’s sold in US gallon containers.
How many gallons would you normally use? I presume you just use the same pink antifreeze for the engine and genset too?

Mark, may I assume that draining the tube is easy once I’ve removed the control panel from the bulkhead?
Any tricks there?

Also, do you use the manual flush lever/inlet to introduce the antifreeze, or do you run it through the seawater inlet?  I guess the latter is easier.

Many thanks once again
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154


Re: Update Timezero 4.0 for Furuno Navnet 3Duser

greg greg
 

Sheet happens :(


Re: AmelYachtOwners] ----Peter please take a look at the attached link--Storm tactics

Brian Riggs
 

Eric,

An excellent article. Thank you for sharing. The more I research and read, the more I'm inclined to reach for a JSD over a sea anchor.

Fair winds and following seas!

Brian Riggs
Future Amel Owner


Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, watermaker?

Dean Gillies
 

Thanks Mark and Tom,
I’ve found the Starbrite Pink antifreeze online at Force4 chandlery in the UK. Good to -46C.
I think it’s probably the same product that you use, since it’s sold in US gallon containers.
How many gallons would you normally use? I presume you just use the same pink antifreeze for the engine and genset too?

Mark, may I assume that draining the tube is easy once I’ve removed the control panel from the bulkhead?
Any tricks there?

Also, do you use the manual flush lever/inlet to introduce the antifreeze, or do you run it through the seawater inlet?  I guess the latter is easier.

Many thanks once again
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154