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Re: Winter storage ashore

Vicente Pereda
 

Hi, First my apologies because this late answer. 

I am the owner of SV AILAMA SM107, that is In Greece and my plan is to leave her in Aigina in one of those dry marinas that you mentioned. Is the first time I stay there but has been strongly recommended from several friends, and I booked it for AILAMA.

This is a copy of some part of the email that the owner of the marina sent me:

I thank you for the fast response and information.
We have availability at the moment to book a place for  AILAMA 
The prices you asked for are the followings:

Lifting and launching.                     950
Storage per month.                         325
Power wash.                                      180

I know maybe you have some information about us and a recommendation but I feel better if I share with you some things :

First  of all have in mind  that the most of our costumers booked a place early this year ,please if you are interested  to store your boat with us contact as soon as possible ,Thank you very much for understanding .

**

One more thing (and important) is when you have a little time do your own web search about the boatyards near us or others .Maybe some yards look cheaper at first but when the time comes for launching the total bill it's not like in the beginning ... They take out the yachts cheaper and then try to overcharge the customers with unexpected and hidden expenses ,Unfortunately some people with their policy and behavior damaged our market ...

“Cheap is twice expensive in the end sometimes “


There are some web sites you can see and read about our yard .


http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?209317-Asprakis-Boatyard-Nisos-Aigina

Kanonisboatyard.gr


https://kanonisboatyard.business.site/


http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?360314-Boatyards-on-Poros-and-Aigina


http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?214434-Boatyards-near-Athens


http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f2/aegina-boat-yard-review-202079.html


My personal number is +306973052104 ,

But you can also contact  us via viber ,whatsapp ,iMessage or  FaceTime  and email us  like now,usually I answer in a few minutes (maybe seconds )”

Best regards I hope this information is useful for you.

Vicente Pereda

AILAMA SM107


El 4 ago 2019, a las 18:28, Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode@...> escribió:

What about Kalamata?
I'm here now for about a year.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, watermaker?

Mark McGovern
 

Dean,

I used Starbrite pink antifreeze the last two winters here in the Chesapeake and it has worked well.  I used it for all systems including: air conditioning, heads, anchor wash, watermaker, freshwater system, engine and generator. All told it took ~16 gallons.  It would be less if you have a second person who can tell you when the pink stuff start coming out of the system you are fillning with antifreeze.  I also made sure to drain and bypass my hot water heater before doing the fresh water system.  One of the winters we had a serious cold snap where the temperature did not go above freezing for close to 3 weeks.  The antifreeze turned into a "slush" in the heads and I was concerned about the watermaker membrane.  However, it appears to be no worse for wear as the output and quality in terms of TDS and EC readings are about the same as they were two years ago.

I would highly recommend that no matter how you winterize the watermaker that you drain the product water line/flowmeter.  While you can do it at the back of the watermaker panel, I found that the easiest way is to undo one of the many connections in the product water line right where it exits the membranes. See the section circled in RED in the picture below:



Just loosen one of those connections and drop the tube low and a small amount of water will come out. It takes all of ~2 minutes and could save you a ton of hassle.  I drained it the first year I winterized when I was being super careful and meticulous but I was in a rush last year and I forgot to drain it.  Sure enough, the water froze and the glass tube of the flowmeter shattered:





I was quoted ~US$400 for a replacement flowmeter from the US distributor for Dessalator.  Ouch.  Figuring that this was an "off the shelf" part I got the manufacturer name and part number off the part and contacted them directly.  CT Platon in France is the manufacturer and my flowmeter had "A10HS – CA251001" engraved on it.  Thankfully, CT Platon is still in business and they still make the part.  They quoted me ~132 Euros plus shipping for a replacement meter.  When I send the Platon representative the pictures above to confirm that I was ordering the correct part number, he told me that the fittings looked fine and that they could just sell me a replacement glass tube and o-ring kit for ~77 Euros.  So all in all, not nearly as costly a mistake as it could have been but one that I will NOT be making again.  So learn from my mistake and drain the tube/flowmeter!

Below is some information for the flowmeter that is on my Amel SM Hull #440 with a Dessalator D160 watermaker:

Glass tube flowmeter type NG
Flow range : 10-100 L/min Air ( please advise if different)
Ref : GTF3AHS-E
100mm ceramic engraved scale
¼’’ BSPP brass rear connections
Brass fine control valve
Brass float / Viton O rings

I have also attached some of the documents that the very helpful and friendly rep from CT Platon sent me.
 
--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, watermaker?

Thomas Peacock
 

Hi Dean, 
I would not want to count on the glycerine passing through the membranes. On further reading, it is nearly identical in size and structure to propylene glycol. However, if you do keep the engine room a little warm, that should protect the membranes as well. As Mark commented earlier, be sure to drain the part of the watermaker system that is not in the engine room. 
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay


On Aug 9, 2019, at 6:10 AM, SY STELLA <stella@...> wrote:

Ok great, thanks Tom.

We'll be wintering ashore, so we don't even benefit from the "warmth" of that Scottish water!
I think I will try to find some kind of "safe" low-level heat producer for the engine room. 

Whilst my Dessalater Duo 100 manual is silent on the subject of anti freeze etc,  it does very clearly state that the membranes themselves should not be taken below 0C.
I guess if I drain the tube, and production pipe from the membranes that will also drain any residual fresh water in the membranes.

I like your solution of using Steriliser + Glycerin, if this passes through the membranes as you suspect, then it would give protection to the tube.

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella A54-154
Loch Stornoway (Sheltering from a gale!)
  


Re: Cabin sole revarnishing

smiles bernard
 

Thanks Matt 👍
Ok so it looks like a heat gun is the best bet for removal. The boats on a mooring so perhaps best to wait a while till I’ve got shore power for the job. I’ll probably take a floor hatch home and try on that small section 1st before tackling the floor I can’t remove in situ. 
I’ll see what works best. Heat gun vs cabinet scraper and report back. I assume if someone used polyurethane before then the heat gum might not work but hopefully it’s just varnish. 

Thanks for the tip the polyurethane option btw. I’ll hunt for basketball court floor systems 

All the best


On 8 Aug 2019, at 03:11, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

If you are refinishing down below, where there isn’t constant exposure to direct sunlight, polyurethane is a much better choice for cabin soles. It is much harder, more abrasion resistant. In any case, to get a good finish, the old stuff needs to come off.  A tough job, but made easier with a heat gun and metal scraper. Then a fine (220 grit) sand to flatten and smooth. Use a sanding block, or your fingers will cause an uneven finish. Clean with alcohol, then apply the finish.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 7, 2019, at 3:14 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

Hello there

Our cabin sole needs some tlc. Family sailing with young boys onboard means it’s seen some action and I need to revarnish it.

In high traffic areas we are down through varnish to bare wood in patches.

I’d greatly appreciate any advice on how best to restore the floor.

Do you think I need to remove all the existing varnish 1st? If so I assume cabinet scrappers would be the best option - if very slow :(

Then I was thinking of a few coats of epoxy ?? and then a matt varnish. Perhaps a water based one so it’s not so toxic during the application

It’d be great to get any tips from folk who have done this before


Many thanks in advance

Miles
Maramu 162
Plymouth Uk




Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, watermaker?

Dean Gillies
 

Ok great, thanks Tom.

We'll be wintering ashore, so we don't even benefit from the "warmth" of that Scottish water!
I think I will try to find some kind of "safe" low-level heat producer for the engine room. 

Whilst my Dessalater Duo 100 manual is silent on the subject of anti freeze etc,  it does very clearly state that the membranes themselves should not be taken below 0C.
I guess if I drain the tube, and production pipe from the membranes that will also drain any residual fresh water in the membranes.

I like your solution of using Steriliser + Glycerin, if this passes through the membranes as you suspect, then it would give protection to the tube.

Many thanks
Dean
SY Stella A54-154
Loch Stornoway (Sheltering from a gale!)
  


Battery nightmare

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Thought I would share a recent battery nightmare that we had.

We had a 30 hour passage from Canet-en-Roussillon to Mallorca earlier this week, this involved quite a few hours of motoring. We arrived and dropped anchor mid morning . That evening we had a discharge of the batteries to around 82% the genset was started as usual and the batteries brought up to 100% before bedtime.
The next morning the batteries were at 92% charge and I started the genset again over breakfast and went for a swim. After 30 mins I noticed that the charge was still 92% yet the Victron Color Control indicated that the charger was in bulk phase. I went to check the batteries only to find that the outside of the battery compartment was extremely hot. I immediately shutdown the genset and disconnected the batteries and opened all the ventilators and then opened the battery compartment. On inspection the battery boxes (Victron AGM x13) we’re melting, bulging and distorted. Some time ago I invested in a laser spot thermometer and used this to check the surface temperature of the batteries all except a few were greater than 50 degrees centigrade the rest being in the high 40s. I then proceeded to disconnect the interconnecting wire between each of the 6 pairs of house batteries, to effectively isolate all the batteries from each other. Fortunately we we able to keep the fridge and freezer running off the 450watt solar panels. After a few hours the temperatures had dropped to mid 40s. We were then in the predicament that we were at anchor with no way of starting the motor or lifting the anchor. It was clear that all the batteries were lost but we needed to try to salvage a few temporarily to allow us to get into port.  So I then decided to test each of the batteries using a load tester and marked each of the completely destroyed batteries with a red cross and marked the load amp result on the rest. This left 5 functional batteries- the motor (311 amps) , and 4 others - around 150 amps each. So I hooked these back up into the system and turned the battery switches on again. Interestingly our Victron panel reported a 100% charge with absorption phase. Over the next few hours the temperatures continued to drop, we managed to start the engine, lift the anchor and went into port. In port we disconnected all batteries except the best 2 house batteries as we were advised that it would not be safe to run the Victron Quattro without batteries attached (like a 24 volt supply as someone suggested) and we needed to keep fridges etc going. With the boat well ventilated the batteries continuing to cool and on the boat connected to shore power we then just had to source some replacement batteries . The following day kitted with locally sourced goggles etc, and the batteries down to sub 30 temperatures, I had to use a large screwdriver and hammer to gently separate the batteries and remove them one by one as they were stuck together. There was around 1cm of battery acid in the battery compartment after all the batteries had been removed. The Victron Quattro supplier suggested that one of the 3 year old Victron battery cells probably failed and caused this. We have decided to go back to sealed lead acid batteries this time around. I am interested in the lithium discussions as these batteries have such a high degree of self monitoring, because of their potential dangers, which more traditional batteries don’t have. Yet all batteries have there dangers. I was very glad to have the spot thermometer and battery tester at hand.

Andrew Lamb
SV Ronpische
SM 472
Currently puerto de Soller


Re: Amel is going lithium

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Scott

Really interesting thread, thank you. We are following with interest.

After we met you at the Caribbean Amel Rally 2019 we took a late decision to do the Pacific this year, and end our circumnavigation in Nov 2019 instead of 2010. After this, we will probably sell Island Pearl II, but if we do not sell and decide to go around again instead, then adding Lithium batteries will certainly be the last of many upgrade steps to Island Pearl II. Based on this I would also be most interested in getting a copy of your upcoming Lithium report.

On Island Pearl II we have 1040w of solar, run through three separate solar controllers, plus two Rutland 1200 wind gens, and we now seldom use the genset. We have the same 100 Duo watermaker as you, plus do all cooking on our induction stove which is so much nicer than gas cooking. Gas is only for oven baking which we seldom do. To improve washing efficiency we recently upgraded the Amel supplied "Thompson" washing machine to a new "Bosch" as that comes with better cleaning and efficiency, and particularly has a dedicated special "cold water" washing cycle for doing our washing from batteries only.

As we near the end of our circumnavigation, we are now pretty close to running the boat "off the grid", but I have always thought that the final piece to the puzzle would be Lithium batteries, so look forward to reading your article and learning from your experiences.

By the way, in addition, I remain a total convert to the need for at least two good wind generators on any boat in order to reach a total off the grid experience. Litium could become the trup card that proves me wrong on this but I doubt it. These units are so now so quiet, that (other than visually) they go almost unnoticed. When one considers 50% of time is in darkness, and at least another 5% each per early morning and late afternoon low sun angle, leaves only 40% max (and that is on a sunny day!) with good solar production. Yes solar output completely outstrips that of wind power ten times over, but we would never again be without at least two latest models, high-efficiency good quality wind gen units aswell, which, for example, on night crossings on a beam reach, I often watch putting out 6amp each constantly, and then at anchor on cloudy/windy days (27 - 33kts) push out over 10amps each (x24v of course).

Watching with interest

Colin Streeter
SV Island Pearl II, sm #332
Niue, Pacific




On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:34 AM Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:
Paul,

I can't really predict for you, but I would guess as long as you spend most of your time around 50% and don't let it drop below 30% very often, the 15-20 year lifetime sounds very realistic.

Keep in mind that ONE over voltage or ONE under voltage condition can irreversibly damage the cell and likely the battery. That's why the BMS is there but all the charging sources need to be able to cut off charging once the BMS tells them to do so. And if any of the cell voltages drop below the safe level per the BMS, there should be an automatic disconnect of all the loads. Given the way Amels are wired, this last part has been a struggle for me.

You ideally should keep it at 40-50% while its wintered. Whatever you do, don't keep it at 100%. The Victron chargers don't have a direct way to specify target SOC, so I had to find a workaround.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

John Clanton <jclanton@...>
 

Matt,

If you are interested in hearing about our positive experiences, please send me a note at clanton@... and we can discuss off line. 


John

On Aug 8, 2019, at 17:58, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

Thanks!
I’ll give a call...

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 8, 2019, at 2:19 PM, John Clanton <jclanton@...> wrote:

Matt,

 

I took delivery of my 55 in La Rochelle last year.  We took the same route as you are planning and received a very favorable quote from Pantaenius.  I have been very happy with Kerry Gonzales, a broker out of Florida, who represents different underwriters.  Her contact information is:

 

Kerry Gonzalez

AMG Insurance International

(772) 742-2401 Direct Dial

(317) 670-2112 Cell

 

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

Currently in Nice, France

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 12:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Sorry to jump in on this thread....

We are taking possession of our Amel 50 in Sept.

We are searching for insurance now.

USA flagged, but cruising the Iberian Peninsula and the Med.

Thanks in advance...

~~~⛵️~~~Matt


On Aug 8, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Mike,

 

I am assuming you are USA flagged?

 

I spent a lot of time on insurance after Pantaenius USA changed their Caribbean policy requirements to a point where it was just about impossible to comply.

 

If you are not planning on being anywhere near the Caribe during the season, try talking to Scott:

 

Scott Stusek | Vice President

 

PANTAENIUS America Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue |Harrison, NY 10528 | United States of America

Tel. 443-569-7995 | Fax. 443-569-7996 | Cell 914-217-7991 sstusek@pantaenius.com | www.pantaenius.us

 

 

Another option that may work for you is an awesome company called Novamar. It is an A-Rated insurance company with a really easy to understand policy. The contact is Chris. He is an independent agency who writes a lot of policies for Novamar.

 

Chris Boome Insurance Agency

LIC# 0A99058

751 Laurel Street #216

San Carlos, CA 94070

O: 650-517-3160  C: 650-464-0728

WWW.CHRISBOOME.COM

E-mail: chris@...

 

 

Both of the companies above will offer a stated value / declared value policies.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 10:42 AM
To:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Having been dropped by Travelers we are receiving quotes for coverage for East Coast US and Caribbean (not hurricane season). Age is apparently a factor in rates and Aletes is a 1998 hull. Received quote from IRSUS Inc./Aspen American Insurance Company for $4797 on hull value of $225,000 with 5% deductible. Does anyone have experience with this company?

Geico quote was $5808 with 4% deductible.

Thoughts?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Chesapeake Bay


Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

Matt Salatino
 

Thanks!
I’ll give a call...

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 8, 2019, at 2:19 PM, John Clanton <jclanton@...> wrote:

Matt,

 

I took delivery of my 55 in La Rochelle last year.  We took the same route as you are planning and received a very favorable quote from Pantaenius.  I have been very happy with Kerry Gonzales, a broker out of Florida, who represents different underwriters.  Her contact information is:

 

Kerry Gonzalez

AMG Insurance International

(772) 742-2401 Direct Dial

(317) 670-2112 Cell

 

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

Currently in Nice, France

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 12:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Sorry to jump in on this thread....

We are taking possession of our Amel 50 in Sept.

We are searching for insurance now.

USA flagged, but cruising the Iberian Peninsula and the Med.

Thanks in advance...

~~~⛵️~~~Matt


On Aug 8, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Mike,

 

I am assuming you are USA flagged?

 

I spent a lot of time on insurance after Pantaenius USA changed their Caribbean policy requirements to a point where it was just about impossible to comply.

 

If you are not planning on being anywhere near the Caribe during the season, try talking to Scott:

 

Scott Stusek | Vice President

 

PANTAENIUS America Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue |Harrison, NY 10528 | United States of America

Tel. 443-569-7995 | Fax. 443-569-7996 | Cell 914-217-7991 sstusek@pantaenius.com | www.pantaenius.us

 

 

Another option that may work for you is an awesome company called Novamar. It is an A-Rated insurance company with a really easy to understand policy. The contact is Chris. He is an independent agency who writes a lot of policies for Novamar.

 

Chris Boome Insurance Agency

LIC# 0A99058

751 Laurel Street #216

San Carlos, CA 94070

O: 650-517-3160  C: 650-464-0728

WWW.CHRISBOOME.COM

E-mail: chris@...

 

 

Both of the companies above will offer a stated value / declared value policies.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 10:42 AM
To:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Having been dropped by Travelers we are receiving quotes for coverage for East Coast US and Caribbean (not hurricane season). Age is apparently a factor in rates and Aletes is a 1998 hull. Received quote from IRSUS Inc./Aspen American Insurance Company for $4797 on hull value of $225,000 with 5% deductible. Does anyone have experience with this company?

Geico quote was $5808 with 4% deductible.

Thoughts?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Chesapeake Bay


Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

John Clanton <jclanton@...>
 

Matt,

 

I took delivery of my 55 in La Rochelle last year.  We took the same route as you are planning and received a very favorable quote from Pantaenius.  I have been very happy with Kerry Gonzales, a broker out of Florida, who represents different underwriters.  Her contact information is:

 

Kerry Gonzalez

AMG Insurance International

(772) 742-2401 Direct Dial

(317) 670-2112 Cell

 

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

Currently in Nice, France

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 12:39 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Sorry to jump in on this thread....

We are taking possession of our Amel 50 in Sept.

We are searching for insurance now.

USA flagged, but cruising the Iberian Peninsula and the Med.

Thanks in advance...

~~~⛵️~~~Matt


On Aug 8, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Mike,

 

I am assuming you are USA flagged?

 

I spent a lot of time on insurance after Pantaenius USA changed their Caribbean policy requirements to a point where it was just about impossible to comply.

 

If you are not planning on being anywhere near the Caribe during the season, try talking to Scott:

 

Scott Stusek | Vice President

 

PANTAENIUS America Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue |Harrison, NY 10528 | United States of America

Tel. 443-569-7995 | Fax. 443-569-7996 | Cell 914-217-7991 sstusek@pantaenius.com | www.pantaenius.us

 

 

Another option that may work for you is an awesome company called Novamar. It is an A-Rated insurance company with a really easy to understand policy. The contact is Chris. He is an independent agency who writes a lot of policies for Novamar.

 

Chris Boome Insurance Agency

LIC# 0A99058

751 Laurel Street #216

San Carlos, CA 94070

O: 650-517-3160  C: 650-464-0728

WWW.CHRISBOOME.COM

E-mail: chris@...

 

 

Both of the companies above will offer a stated value / declared value policies.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 10:42 AM
To:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Having been dropped by Travelers we are receiving quotes for coverage for East Coast US and Caribbean (not hurricane season). Age is apparently a factor in rates and Aletes is a 1998 hull. Received quote from IRSUS Inc./Aspen American Insurance Company for $4797 on hull value of $225,000 with 5% deductible. Does anyone have experience with this company?

Geico quote was $5808 with 4% deductible.

Thoughts?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Chesapeake Bay


Re: Genoa car springs

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks very much Gary...good thoughts 
Cheers 
Alan
Elyse SM 437


Re: Amel is going lithium

Scott SV Tengah
 

Paul,

I can't really predict for you, but I would guess as long as you spend most of your time around 50% and don't let it drop below 30% very often, the 15-20 year lifetime sounds very realistic.

Keep in mind that ONE over voltage or ONE under voltage condition can irreversibly damage the cell and likely the battery. That's why the BMS is there but all the charging sources need to be able to cut off charging once the BMS tells them to do so. And if any of the cell voltages drop below the safe level per the BMS, there should be an automatic disconnect of all the loads. Given the way Amels are wired, this last part has been a struggle for me.

You ideally should keep it at 40-50% while its wintered. Whatever you do, don't keep it at 100%. The Victron chargers don't have a direct way to specify target SOC, so I had to find a workaround.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Insurance carriers

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

I recently met a 2001 SM owner who had a near lightning strike that killed most of the electronics on board.  His broker is Hanham Insurance Agency.  Not sure of the brokers name but the mobile number is 843.276.1608; I think the underwriter is Yacht Insurers.  He has been pleased with the service he has received including the funding of the repairs which are ongoing currently.  hanhaminsurance.com

--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Insurance carriers

Matt Salatino
 

Sorry to jump in on this thread....
We are taking possession of our Amel 50 in Sept.
We are searching for insurance now.
USA flagged, but cruising the Iberian Peninsula and the Med.
Thanks in advance...

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 8, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Mike,

 

I am assuming you are USA flagged?

 

I spent a lot of time on insurance after Pantaenius USA changed their Caribbean policy requirements to a point where it was just about impossible to comply.

 

If you are not planning on being anywhere near the Caribe during the season, try talking to Scott:

 

Scott Stusek | Vice President

 

PANTAENIUS America Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue |Harrison, NY 10528 | United States of America

Tel. 443-569-7995 | Fax. 443-569-7996 | Cell 914-217-7991 sstusek@pantaenius.com | www.pantaenius.us

 

 

Another option that may work for you is an awesome company called Novamar. It is an A-Rated insurance company with a really easy to understand policy. The contact is Chris. He is an independent agency who writes a lot of policies for Novamar.

 

Chris Boome Insurance Agency

LIC# 0A99058

751 Laurel Street #216

San Carlos, CA 94070

O: 650-517-3160  C: 650-464-0728

WWW.CHRISBOOME.COM

E-mail: chris@...

 

 

Both of the companies above will offer a stated value / declared value policies.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 10:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Having been dropped by Travelers we are receiving quotes for coverage for East Coast US and Caribbean (not hurricane season). Age is apparently a factor in rates and Aletes is a 1998 hull. Received quote from IRSUS Inc./Aspen American Insurance Company for $4797 on hull value of $225,000 with 5% deductible. Does anyone have experience with this company?

Geico quote was $5808 with 4% deductible.

Thoughts?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Chesapeake Bay


Re: Insurance carriers

Mark Erdos
 

Mike,

 

I am assuming you are USA flagged?

 

I spent a lot of time on insurance after Pantaenius USA changed their Caribbean policy requirements to a point where it was just about impossible to comply.

 

If you are not planning on being anywhere near the Caribe during the season, try talking to Scott:

 

Scott Stusek | Vice President

 

PANTAENIUS America Ltd.

500 Mamaroneck Avenue |Harrison, NY 10528 | United States of America

Tel. 443-569-7995 | Fax. 443-569-7996 | Cell 914-217-7991 sstusek@pantaenius.com | www.pantaenius.us

 

 

Another option that may work for you is an awesome company called Novamar. It is an A-Rated insurance company with a really easy to understand policy. The contact is Chris. He is an independent agency who writes a lot of policies for Novamar.

 

Chris Boome Insurance Agency

LIC# 0A99058

751 Laurel Street #216

San Carlos, CA 94070

O: 650-517-3160  C: 650-464-0728

WWW.CHRISBOOME.COM

E-mail: chris@...

 

 

Both of the companies above will offer a stated value / declared value policies.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 10:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance carriers

 

Having been dropped by Travelers we are receiving quotes for coverage for East Coast US and Caribbean (not hurricane season). Age is apparently a factor in rates and Aletes is a 1998 hull. Received quote from IRSUS Inc./Aspen American Insurance Company for $4797 on hull value of $225,000 with 5% deductible. Does anyone have experience with this company?

Geico quote was $5808 with 4% deductible.

Thoughts?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Chesapeake Bay


Insurance carriers

Mike Ondra
 

Having been dropped by Travelers we are receiving quotes for coverage for East Coast US and Caribbean (not hurricane season). Age is apparently a factor in rates and Aletes is a 1998 hull. Received quote from IRSUS Inc./Aspen American Insurance Company for $4797 on hull value of $225,000 with 5% deductible. Does anyone have experience with this company?

Geico quote was $5808 with 4% deductible.

Thoughts?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Chesapeake Bay


Re: Genoa car springs

Matt Salatino
 

Good I f, thanks!

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 8, 2019, at 10:04 AM, Gary Silver via Groups.Io <garysilver@...> wrote:

Rico


Re: Did you catch 4 errors on the Delos series 205?

Matt Salatino
 

We are fans of Delos.
Have been watching them for a couple of years now.
The Amel was not really a relevant part of why we watched, though it is more interesting since we became Amelians....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 8, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

I, for.one, have learned a few things from their videos.  Yes, I've spotted a few things along the way that made me say "oh, I could've helped you with (or prevent) that!" but by in large thwy handle the boat right.  
I agree with Bill that Delos is a great marketing tool but .. they are in business as a video production company first and as an Amelian second.  The benefits and spinoff srom their work can't be denied though!  

I do look forward to their episodes :)

Gary W.
SM 299, Adagio
Cape May, NJ (underway). 


Re: Deleware Bay --> Cape May anchorages

Gary Wells
 

Wolfgang,

Good to be hanging out with another Amel last night in Cape May.  Quite a.little squall last evening!
The smaller boat next to us drug back and the young couple were fighting the whole time; they must've been near hypothermic by the time.it was all over.

At any rate, wishing you a good sail and we'll wave when you pass us (again)!!

Cheers,

Gary and Robin
SM 209, Adagio
underway @ Atlantic City


Re: Amel is going lithium

Paul Brown
 

Hi Scott 

I do like your thinking and see you have muchbmore understanding than I.

I generally run my 720ah lithium MV down to around 30% before I top them up with the generator and usually only to about 50 or 60 %, maybe every 2 weeks I will charge to 100% when I’m making water or washing machine or aircon or all, otherwise I’m relaxed at anchor and keep them around 50%, the 550w 24v solar contributes to 75% of my general 24v/220 inverter power consumption 

How many cycles do you think I’ll get and how many years of life seeing the boat is wintered 6 months a year?

The MV technician said he would think 15 to 20 years total life, as they are relatively new technology they don’t really have those statistics but at a guess.

Regards Paul-Fortuna II 55#17


On 8 Aug 2019, at 2:31 pm, Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:

Nick,

When I run the WM, the Dessalator gauge reads well over 100 liters per hour but it appears a bit optimistic. I assume you're checking the dipstick prior to running it for one hour and then checking again after 1 hour of runtime? I am aware of the effect of salinity and temperature but I'm loathe to try to put it higher into the red in order to try to squeeze out some more output. I'd rather just keep it in the recommended green and run it a bit longer.

In any event, with respect to the battery charging routine, it's really just a math problem. I average a bit over 200 AH a day from my solar panels. I run two fridges and a freezer. I cook with induction. I use the electric kettle to make coffee. I use my laptop. Those uses are more or less fixed. With that usage and decent sun, the battery bank doesn't drop below 35% for days. The recommended/acceptable practice is to run it down to 20% SOC, but I get nervous at 30%. So I have 450*.7 = 315AH of usable capacity. Add in 200AH of solar output and I have 515AH per day to work with. We don't use that much per day so it lasts a few days.

Lately I've been trying to keep between 40-80% state of charge, if possible. That's the least stressful for the batteries and extends their life. I won't run the genset early in the day if I think solar will push the bank above 80% that day and I don't run high draw appliances if I'm near 40% without running the genset. I'll charge to 100% if I know it won't be staying there long - eg I may run the genset to charge to 100% before a full night of air conditioning on battery. Keeping a lithium bank at 100%, especially in high ambient temps, is not good for them.

I treat my batteries very well due to the initial cost. Most would simply take it to 20% and fire up the genset to take it to 100% without any other adjustments.  Even with that "abuse", they'll get 2000 cycles out of them. It's certainly simpler and I may be overthinking it, but I don't mind a bit of extra thinking to make them last a few thousand extra cycles.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

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