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Re: Watermaker motor

Denis Elborn
 

Thanks for your input.

Before taking the motor out I removed one of the brushes and the armature seemed pretty dirty so I cleaned that up and it is working at the moment, probably could do with a set of brushes as well.

Thanks again for your help

Aventura A54~113
Den and Julie


On 1 Aug 2019, at 2:07 am, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Gary,

Automotive solenoids are not usually isolated ground solenoids. I would

check it. Automotive solenoids usually have the negative side connected internally to the mounting ears. If this is the case you defeat the isolated ground on your boat.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Wells
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 10:28 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Watermaker motor

 

Similar scenario while we were underway.  I managed to get that DC motor free and on to the cockpit floor.  There were four little hard rubber covers that held the brushes in place and when I pried them open the black dust that came out was phenomenal. 

I used a spray-air can (duster) and some spray electrical contact cleaner to clean it up and it worked fine for a couple of weeks until I could get it to a re-builder in St. Thomas(USVI).

One note; if you take it to a re-builder they may try to sell you a new relay.  At least in my case the fellow was a skilled auto mechanic but didn't understand why the unit wouldn't work when case-grounded so he wired up a whole new automotive type solenoid.  I didn't get too far trying to explain it to him, but eventually he let me take the motor back and didn't charge me for the relay. I wired the thing back up properly (take pictures!) and it's worked perfectly since then (about a year now).

Gary W.
sv Adagio, SM 209
Maryland, USA


Re: A54 seawater pump for anchor washing

greg greg
 

Thx!
clear!


Re: ONAN Generator not starting

Alan Leslie
 

I know this is an old thread, but it serves to indicate how useful this forum is.
I had the issue of the Onan not cranking over the last few days.
Press the start button and it would prime, it would try to crank and then stop.
I checked all the power connections, cleaned and retightened...same issue.
then I went in the forum and saw this post.
Hmmm...so I started the main engine, and the Onan cranked no problem.
So it's the start battery?.no, well it is and it isn't.
I hadn't been on the boat for 4 months but i have a small 12v maintenance charger to keep the start battery up.
And that's what the problem is - the charger had died!
I've since charged up the start battery (1008CCA) and load tested it (perfect) and the Onan cranks every time.
So big thank you to everyone on the forum for all the input, it truly is a marvelous resource.
Cheers

Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: A54 seawater pump for anchor washing

 

Mark is is absolutely correct, and this applies to the one-way valve on the SM, 54, & 55 AC pump...you need it and it needs to work. Also, if you happen to replace the diaphragm anchor wash pump with something else (I know a few of you have), you should ensure that there is no backflow, or you will get air in the Dessalator system.

It is almost always to your peril when you decide that something Amel added, "is not necessary." Sometimes this can be learned the hard way, which is also the costly way.
 
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 10:14 AM Mark & Debbie Mueller <brass.ring@...> wrote:
The non-return valves or check valves are important.  These valves prevent air from being pulled backward through a non–operating piece of equipment into the common seawater distribution manifold.  Air will dramatically affect the performance of the Dessalator and negatively impact the refrigeration and other systems.  If it continues over a longer period of time the air will cause the same effect as cavitation on the metal pump impellers.  These valves are important and need to be in place.
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Amel is going lithium

Scott SV Tengah
 

Colin,

Good to hear from you! It's amazing we're now so far apart given we were nearly next to each other just a few months ago.

That's great that you have so much generation capacity. So you can run the water maker (25amps) and induction (80+ amps) from your non-lithium batteries? I never tried that on my previous gel batteries because of lack of a capable inverter, but I didn't think it would have worked. One "weakness" of my current system is that I can't replenish, via renewable sources, all the power we use. With our current usage level, it doesn't make sense to have more than 450AH capacity because we don't generate enough renewable power daily so it's a question of how often we have to run the genset. Where do you have all that solar? Just on the arch or elsewhere too?

Do you have longer term data on the output of the Rutlands? I have heard so many conflicting stories on what people "think" their wind generators output on a daily basis. It would be interesting to see what they produce on average, over the course of months, in the normal trade wind circumnavigation route. Also, what about noise/hum/resonance?

Also where do you have them mounted? If I were to add them, I would put one on the mizzen mast and that's it. I have tested minor shading on the panels and even with my parallel wired 3 panel setup, solar output drops considerably with shading. I'm concerned that the solar reduction attributed to shading via a setup like Delos with the windgens located nearly directly above the panels would cancel out any output from the windgen. Lithium will not make windgens, if they produce considerable power, unnecessary. I would love to have more renewable generation capacity.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Hi Gary on Adagio

Scott SV Tengah
 

Eric,

I'll be in the Chesapeake until around late October. I'm planning on seeing the A50 at the Annapolis show. Any plans to head to the show or the Caribbean after?
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: “Default” anchor arrangement on an Amel 54

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

The primary anchor on our A54 is a 33kg Rocna.  This anchor was installed on the boat when we purchased it.  The Rocna has set first time every time for us and the prior owner had literally been around the world with this anchor.  The galvanizing is worn off the tip and it is slightly rusty and I would not trade it for anything unless it was a 40 kg Rocna.

 

We did change the anchor swivel to a Mantus, I believe the manner the Mantus swivel connects to the chain spreads the load more evenly and is much more secure.  The neck of the swivel that was supplied by Amel had bent at some point presumably during a sideways pull.


--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: A54 seawater pump for anchor washing

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

The non-return valves or check valves are important.  These valves prevent air from being pulled backward through a non–operating piece of equipment into the common seawater distribution manifold.  Air will dramatically affect the performance of the Dessalator and negatively impact the refrigeration and other systems.  If it continues over a longer period of time the air will cause the same effect as cavitation on the metal pump impellers.  These valves are important and need to be in place.
--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Hi Gary on Adagio

eric freedman
 

Hi Gary,

I see you are in my stomping grounds.

Which way are you headed?

I you head towards Huntington  Long Island please give me a shout.

I hope to be in Block early September and also Newport.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Wells
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 7:09 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Battery nightmare

 

Very similar experience in the BVIs about four years ago.  Two of the 8 batteries boiled out.
Luckily we were docked and I got them ashore quickly but after 6 hours they were still hot and bubbly, even completely disconnected.
The fault is usually internal with the battery and not necessarily a charging issue.

We ran just fine on the remaining six (I believe you could live on 4 conservatively) until I could find a compatible replacement pair (very expensive min the BVIs) and then, a couple of.months later replaced the other 6.

Since I couldn't find exact matches for the first two replacements it seemed would that they always took way more water to replenish and ran a little warmer than the other 6. I know you're not supposed to mix / mis-match but it's what we could  do at the time.
Replaced all eight less.than two years later, surely because of the mis-match but also because I knew that this was temporary.
Now have 8 Trojan 30xhs and couldn't be happier.
I also installed a two probe Taylor temperature alarm in hopes of getting a heads-up if anything like that happens again.

I'm pretty fastidious about checking and adding distilled water on the first day of every month now :)

Best!

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Block island, USA


Re: “Default” anchor arrangement on an Amel 54

Matt Salatino
 

Not all stainless reel is equal. 316 is much more corrosion resistant than 304. It’s difficult to find 316 bolts and nuts.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 10, 2019, at 3:07 AM, Ian <parkianj@...> wrote:

Just another bit of experience.
The shaft on my Spade anchor bent. It is easily replaceable, but it is hollow ( part of the design to keep lots of weight in the lead filled tip). I’m using a Rocna now - I’d put them pretty equal on setting and holding.
But this season I changed my chain over end to end. As I started to undo the hex bolt the whole thing fell apart. The top of s/s hex bolt head had turned to a black carbon looking substance and could have fallen apart anytime (photo attached). Don’t know what caused this, but I’ve removed the swivel now and returned to a seized shackle that I can keep an eye on.

It is a Kong swivel. If you are still using one I suggest a new hex bolt once a year.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96



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Re: Battery nightmare

Gary Wells
 

Very similar experience in the BVIs about four years ago.  Two of the 8 batteries boiled out.
Luckily we were docked and I got them ashore quickly but after 6 hours they were still hot and bubbly, even completely disconnected.
The fault is usually internal with the battery and not necessarily a charging issue.

We ran just fine on the remaining six (I believe you could live on 4 conservatively) until I could find a compatible replacement pair (very expensive min the BVIs) and then, a couple of.months later replaced the other 6.

Since I couldn't find exact matches for the first two replacements it seemed would that they always took way more water to replenish and ran a little warmer than the other 6. I know you're not supposed to mix / mis-match but it's what we could  do at the time.
Replaced all eight less.than two years later, surely because of the mis-match but also because I knew that this was temporary.
Now have 8 Trojan 30xhs and couldn't be happier.
I also installed a two probe Taylor temperature alarm in hopes of getting a heads-up if anything like that happens again.

I'm pretty fastidious about checking and adding distilled water on the first day of every month now :)

Best!

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Block island, USA


Re: “Default” anchor arrangement on an Amel 54

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi All,

 I have never been a fan of anchor swivels, having seen them come apart on other boats. If I were to fit one I would buy it from a commercial fisherman's chandlery and make it oversize.

 However, in place of a swivel we have always used two shackles in tandem between the chain and our  stainless Spade. This has always resulted in the Spade turning the right way up as it enters the bow roller. 
 The shackles are easy undo  to inspect. We have two stainless shackles with flush heads screwed in with an Allen key. 

Queries have been raised about the attachment of a stainless anchor or shackles to galvanised chain--does this give rise to electrolysis ?  The only answer I can give is that in nearly 20 years we have seen no sign.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...>
Sent: 10 August 2019 07:32
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] “Default” anchor arrangement on an Amel 54
 
Hi Arno;

In 5 seasons of sailing in the Med (about 5 months each) and mostly anchoring in many different condition and bottoms with the Amel supplied Buegel,  we only dragged once, that we know of or could notice ( about 30 meters).

I believe the performance of all anchors depends largely on how they are set. A factor that is hard to quantify. We have been pleased with the performance our buegel, until now.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Aug 9, 2019, at 11:22 PM, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

Just for fun, try NO swivel. 
We did as an experiment, finding it unnecessary

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 9, 2019, at 3:38 PM, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

Dear Forum,

I am aware this is a never ending discussion but is it just me or is the standard anchor arrangement on an Amel 54 (Delta on port side, Buegel on starbord side) not the greatest?
Specifically the Buegel anchor sits quite poorly on the bow, I think. Just to entertain myself I decided to swap the two anchors over to see how that would fit. I noticed the Delta sat much better on the starboard side and the Buegel still sat poorly on the port side. I still need to swap the rollers to see if that makes a difference.
I accept the argument dat the Buegel is a better anchor then the Delta, although many boats carry a Delta anchor.
So my question is what did my fellow A54 owners do to improve the situation at the bow, if anything.
I'm considering to buy a Spade anchor to replace the Buegel anchor.

The other thing I noticed is that this fancy swivel is a pain to remove. In my case all the locking screws are impossible to remove, even after heating the thing. These screws are so small that you will wreck an allen-key if you put some force to it (and yes I do use proper allen-keys). In the end I also had to drill out the chain-locking pin as it also was completely seized and would not budge. Very disappointing. I'm going to replace this with a more rugged model (Kong or Mantus).

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Main electrical switch for Meltem

Gerhard Mueller
 

The diagrams I have might be for the Sharki but I guess they are similiar to other Amels as well of this age.
The switch positions are here noted as
- A = All Off
- B = Normal (at Sea)
- C = Security (all Batteries enabled)
- D = in the Port (Shore Power on)


--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: “Default” anchor arrangement on an Amel 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Arno;

In 5 seasons of sailing in the Med (about 5 months each) and mostly anchoring in many different condition and bottoms with the Amel supplied Buegel,  we only dragged once, that we know of or could notice ( about 30 meters).

I believe the performance of all anchors depends largely on how they are set. A factor that is hard to quantify. We have been pleased with the performance our buegel, until now.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Aug 9, 2019, at 11:22 PM, Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt@...> wrote:

Just for fun, try NO swivel. 
We did as an experiment, finding it unnecessary

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 9, 2019, at 3:38 PM, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

Dear Forum,

I am aware this is a never ending discussion but is it just me or is the standard anchor arrangement on an Amel 54 (Delta on port side, Buegel on starbord side) not the greatest?
Specifically the Buegel anchor sits quite poorly on the bow, I think. Just to entertain myself I decided to swap the two anchors over to see how that would fit. I noticed the Delta sat much better on the starboard side and the Buegel still sat poorly on the port side. I still need to swap the rollers to see if that makes a difference.
I accept the argument dat the Buegel is a better anchor then the Delta, although many boats carry a Delta anchor.
So my question is what did my fellow A54 owners do to improve the situation at the bow, if anything.
I'm considering to buy a Spade anchor to replace the Buegel anchor.

The other thing I noticed is that this fancy swivel is a pain to remove. In my case all the locking screws are impossible to remove, even after heating the thing. These screws are so small that you will wreck an allen-key if you put some force to it (and yes I do use proper allen-keys). In the end I also had to drill out the chain-locking pin as it also was completely seized and would not budge. Very disappointing. I'm going to replace this with a more rugged model (Kong or Mantus).

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


A54 seawater pump for anchor washing

greg greg
 

Hi guys!
got some problems with subj.
It starts to work but in a few seconds the circuit breaker cuts the line.
I asume there is a kind of shortcut in the motor, 
so decided to change for a something new.

Who knows the purpose of non return valve
between seawater intake and the pump?
I don’t see any reason to install it...
Any considerations?

Thanks!

Greg
TERRAL, A54-172


Re: “Default” anchor arrangement on an Amel 54

Ian Park
 

Just another bit of experience.
The shaft on my Spade anchor bent. It is easily replaceable, but it is hollow ( part of the design to keep lots of weight in the lead filled tip). I’m using a Rocna now - I’d put them pretty equal on setting and holding.
But this season I changed my chain over end to end. As I started to undo the hex bolt the whole thing fell apart. The top of s/s hex bolt head had turned to a black carbon looking substance and could have fallen apart anytime (photo attached). Don’t know what caused this, but I’ve removed the swivel now and returned to a seized shackle that I can keep an eye on.

It is a Kong swivel. If you are still using one I suggest a new hex bolt once a year.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: Battery nightmare

Andrew & Kate Lamb
 

Hi Jean-Pierre

This is a very useful contact- many thanks. 

Andrew
SM472


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...>
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 9:15 pm
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Battery nightmare
 
Hello Andrew,

What a palaver!!!

Luckily for you, Majorca is the home of Peter Kuklok at Yacht Concept Majorca.  If you need assistance, he is the best marine engineer I have ever met.  His phone is +34 619 658 312

Good luck and give my regards to Peter if you chat with him.

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007,  Fiji



On 9 Aug 2019, at 20:15, Andrew & Kate Lamb <andrew.lamb@...> wrote:

Thought I would share a recent battery nightmare that we had.

We had a 30 hour passage from Canet-en-Roussillon to Mallorca earlier this week, this involved quite a few hours of motoring. We arrived and dropped anchor mid morning . That evening we had a discharge of the batteries to around 82% the genset was started as usual and the batteries brought up to 100% before bedtime.
The next morning the batteries were at 92% charge and I started the genset again over breakfast and went for a swim. After 30 mins I noticed that the charge was still 92% yet the Victron Color Control indicated that the charger was in bulk phase. I went to check the batteries only to find that the outside of the battery compartment was extremely hot. I immediately shutdown the genset and disconnected the batteries and opened all the ventilators and then opened the battery compartment. On inspection the battery boxes (Victron AGM x13) we’re melting, bulging and distorted. Some time ago I invested in a laser spot thermometer and used this to check the surface temperature of the batteries all except a few were greater than 50 degrees centigrade the rest being in the high 40s. I then proceeded to disconnect the interconnecting wire between each of the 6 pairs of house batteries, to effectively isolate all the batteries from each other. Fortunately we we able to keep the fridge and freezer running off the 450watt solar panels. After a few hours the temperatures had dropped to mid 40s. We were then in the predicament that we were at anchor with no way of starting the motor or lifting the anchor. It was clear that all the batteries were lost but we needed to try to salvage a few temporarily to allow us to get into port.  So I then decided to test each of the batteries using a load tester and marked each of the completely destroyed batteries with a red cross and marked the load amp result on the rest. This left 5 functional batteries- the motor (311 amps) , and 4 others - around 150 amps each. So I hooked these back up into the system and turned the battery switches on again. Interestingly our Victron panel reported a 100% charge with absorption phase. Over the next few hours the temperatures continued to drop, we managed to start the engine, lift the anchor and went into port. In port we disconnected all batteries except the best 2 house batteries as we were advised that it would not be safe to run the Victron Quattro without batteries attached (like a 24 volt supply as someone suggested) and we needed to keep fridges etc going. With the boat well ventilated the batteries continuing to cool and on the boat connected to shore power we then just had to source some replacement batteries . The following day kitted with locally sourced goggles etc, and the batteries down to sub 30 temperatures, I had to use a large screwdriver and hammer to gently separate the batteries and remove them one by one as they were stuck together. There was around 1cm of battery acid in the battery compartment after all the batteries had been removed. The Victron Quattro supplier suggested that one of the 3 year old Victron battery cells probably failed and caused this. We have decided to go back to sealed lead acid batteries this time around. I am interested in the lithium discussions as these batteries have such a high degree of self monitoring, because of their potential dangers, which more traditional batteries don’t have. Yet all batteries have there dangers. I was very glad to have the spot thermometer and battery tester at hand.

Andrew Lamb
SV Ronpische
SM 472
Currently puerto de Soller


Re: Did you catch 4 errors on the Delos series 205?

eric freedman
 

I am a big fan of Delos and watch their videos regularly.
Who would not want to live the life that they do.
I have absolutely no criticism of them or their life on
their lovely Amel. Who would?  I know they are doing a lot
to promote Amels.

 

In fact, today I was sitting with their agent here on Long Island to discuss a new Amel as there was a new 50  in my town last week  He mentioned  that Delos has done much to promote the Amel brand and said he will call me when the 50 is back here. He also predicts a mob scene at Annapolis and Newport’s boat shows.

 

When I mentioned the 4 errors, it was an academic question and not meant as a criticism.

Who could criticize them?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Salatino via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2019 10:20 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Did you catch 4 errors on the Delos series 205?

 

We are fans of Delos.

Have been watching them for a couple of years now.

The Amel was not really a relevant part of why we watched, though it is more interesting since we became Amelians....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt


On Aug 8, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

I, for.one, have learned a few things from their videos.  Yes, I've spotted a few things along the way that made me say "oh, I could've helped you with (or prevent) that!" but by in large thwy handle the boat right.  
I agree with Bill that Delos is a great marketing tool but .. they are in business as a video production company first and as an Amelian second.  The benefits and spinoff srom their work can't be denied though!  

I do look forward to their episodes :)

Gary W.
SM 299, Adagio
Cape May, NJ (underway). 


Re: Wintering in potentially freezing conditions, water maker?

Miles
 

Hi Dean,

I have used the Glycerin and sterilizer mixture many times as Dessalator directs.  As I understand it, the   glycerin absorbs water.  You would never want to pressurize the system with the mixture.  To help the process, I added a “t” and shut-off valve to the exit hose between the sea-cock where waste water leaves the boat and where the bypass water from the water maker enters the exit hose.  I then added a long hose from that to a bucket where I have the glycerin and sterilized mixture and the water maker inlet hose.  Then when I run the water maker at no pressure the fluid circulates through the water maker for as long as I want.    Reading this, I think it could be more clear.  I will take a photo in the next day or two .

When I expect temperatures as low as – 10 or so F, I use more glycerin than Dessalator directs.  Also, be sure to do this in warm weather. Unless the water is more than 20 C or more, the water and glycerin will not mix. 

Regards,

Miles

s/y Ladybug, sm 216, Newport, RI harbor.

 


Re: “Default” anchor arrangement on an Amel 54

amelforme
 

Probably snagged a Los Angeles class attack submarine…

 

Best to Katherine.

 

          JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Craig Briggs via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 5:16 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] “Default” anchor arrangement on an Amel 54

 

Hey Joel,
Since you asked, we bent the shank on our Mantus about 20° lifting it out of the muck in Lake Worth after a night of big winds and a 180° current shift. We had just bought it and with no questions asked they immediately sent us a new shank at, of course, no cost. (Some cool Mantus T-shirts, too!) That being said, I would definitely buy another one - never had a better anchor for virtually all conditions.
Beers, Craig SN68