I don’t know off the top of my head but there is an output curve on their website which is pretty good.  The big benefit is that it’s running all the time when you’re in 7 knots apparent or more.  So I get 50 Ah per day or more quite often.  It’s great when you are sailing on a reach or upwind.   Not so great downwind in Italy in August.  

I agree that you should ideally use the running backstay anytime you are using the staysail. I will say we do use the preventers anytime we go greater than 100deg apparent. It doesn't take long and the downside is too big.

That said, we don't do everything perfectly aboard Tengah all the time. Regarding the running backstay, if you ever see the baby forestay getting loose from the staysail pulling the mast forward, you definitely want to use the running backstay at that point. 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

I don’t know off the top of my head but there is an output curve on their website which is pretty good.  The big benefit is that it’s running all the time when you’re in 7 knots apparent or more.  So I get 50 Ah per day or more quite often.  It’s great when you are sailing on a reach or upwind.   Not so great downwind in Italy in August.  

Oliver,
I had a similar problem with the boat speed reading and changed the sensors (not an easy thing to do)  Unfortunately the reading was still 0.  I then open the box and cleaned the contacts between the different components and it came back to life.  It is possible that that was the original problem but I had already changed the sensors.  
As for the wind speed indicator, I have some times a problem with it but it usually comes back after I do a system test.  Clearly, age has its consequences.

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2K 278

Sorry Oliver I am not sure but you should be able to down load from the internet, I have the FURUNO H3000 and found it on the internet...

It is fairly simple if you get to the calibration page under set up but the manual should assist more I expect 

Paul 55#17

On 13 Aug 2019, at 5:30 pm, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Paul,

Where to find the manual for this sensor setup?

Oliver A54#39

Sent from my Huawei Mobile

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:

Bill, it worked fine all last season but when i commenced sailing this season the paddle wheel was not functioning due to barnacles so I replaced it and it stated STW off, then you pointed me to calibration and then I found SOG was switched off, I switched it on on STW and TW and AW all worked fine.

Regards Paul 

On 13 Aug 2019, at 4:02 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Paul,

Your 54 didn't come with a Paddlewheel. Probably when it was added, parameters were not set...my guess.

Your 54 came with Sonic Speed. 

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 8:56 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Hi Bill, my issue was similar except my paddle wheel and sensor was ok accept the parameter associated to the sow was not activated in the H300 display, this then gave me SOW and correct TW and AW

Regards Paul 55#17

On 13 Aug 2019, at 3:34 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

As you may know, there are only a few values displayed on the B&G Hydra (2000-5000) that are actual. They are AWS, AWA, SOW, and Depth. All of the other values, like True Wind Angle, are calculated by the Hydra, usually using all of the actual values.

If your Speed Over Water (sonic speed or paddlewheel speed) is not working...or any of the other values, the calculated values will not be accurate.

Your issue is that the Sonic Speed is NOT working and the SOW value is not present in the calculation. You need to repair Sonic Speed, which is likely caused by sensors over 10 years old, add a B&G paddlewheel thru-hull, or something else. Check with a B&G rep for all of your options.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Yacht School (formerly Amel School) - Supporting Amel Owners

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

My Calendar 

Yacht School

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:14 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Have you tried entering into Menu and then setup and then calibrate and the entering a source? I’d had the same issue I think and found a source was not assigned such as SOG or similar 

Regards Paul- Fortuna II 55#17

On 13 Aug 2019, at 1:23 pm, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Hello,

I got 2 issues with my B&G H2000:
1. The magnified Wind shows wrong values. It comes from extension processor. We replaced the instrument but still the same.

2. We stored on land for 12 month and did a refit.
When we launched the boat the boat speed through water does not show anything anymore.

Any help apreciated.

Oliver from Vela Nautica
A54 #39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:

Thanks Joerg 

I have found the issue, the SOG was not activated in the H3000 set up. All is ok now, but it will improve more once I calabrate all parameters 

Thanks Paul 

On 28 Jul 2019, at 10:19 am, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Paul, i, too, have had a failure of the sonic speed transducer but the new one - a much revised model Airmar I’m told - has been working flawlessly for 2 years.  If you do not have a BSP reading, you should check what the source of BSP is in the Settings Menu, likely under „system“  If it is the Airmar transducer, you should switch it to the paddle wheel (which is part of the depth and sea temp transducer, which is likely a dst200) and see whether you have BSP.   If you do, replace the sonic speed.  I would contact Stéphane at Pochon for this.  He may be able to get you a new one for free because the old one had known problems, but at least he will be able to tell you which type to get.  I’m not on the boat but can give you that info in late August if you still need it.   If you don’t see BSP with the paddle wheel either, you should check the other settings. Again, I can help in late August. 

You need BSP (or better yet, the drift corrected STW) to calculate the true wind direction and speed that you are seeing on the water - ie the wind speed and direction you need to make decisions whether to tack or gybe, for example, or to calibrate your wind instruments.  You could use SOG, but then you are calculating the TWD and TWS without any current effect and since the boat is sailing in the current, this will give you wrong info.    Even in the Med, current can make a significant difference.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 #53
Kincsem

Paul,

Where to find the manual for this sensor setup?

Oliver A54#39

Sent from my Huawei Mobile

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:

Bill, it worked fine all last season but when i commenced sailing this season the paddle wheel was not functioning due to barnacles so I replaced it and it stated STW off, then you pointed me to calibration and then I found SOG was switched off, I switched it on on STW and TW and AW all worked fine.

Regards Paul 

On 13 Aug 2019, at 4:02 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Paul,

Your 54 didn't come with a Paddlewheel. Probably when it was added, parameters were not set...my guess.

Your 54 came with Sonic Speed. 

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 8:56 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Hi Bill, my issue was similar except my paddle wheel and sensor was ok accept the parameter associated to the sow was not activated in the H300 display, this then gave me SOW and correct TW and AW

Regards Paul 55#17

On 13 Aug 2019, at 3:34 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

As you may know, there are only a few values displayed on the B&G Hydra (2000-5000) that are actual. They are AWS, AWA, SOW, and Depth. All of the other values, like True Wind Angle, are calculated by the Hydra, usually using all of the actual values.

If your Speed Over Water (sonic speed or paddlewheel speed) is not working...or any of the other values, the calculated values will not be accurate.

Your issue is that the Sonic Speed is NOT working and the SOW value is not present in the calculation. You need to repair Sonic Speed, which is likely caused by sensors over 10 years old, add a B&G paddlewheel thru-hull, or something else. Check with a B&G rep for all of your options.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Yacht School (formerly Amel School) - Supporting Amel Owners

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

My Calendar 

Yacht School

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:14 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Have you tried entering into Menu and then setup and then calibrate and the entering a source? I’d had the same issue I think and found a source was not assigned such as SOG or similar 

Regards Paul- Fortuna II 55#17

On 13 Aug 2019, at 1:23 pm, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Hello,

I got 2 issues with my B&G H2000:
1. The magnified Wind shows wrong values. It comes from extension processor. We replaced the instrument but still the same.

2. We stored on land for 12 month and did a refit.
When we launched the boat the boat speed through water does not show anything anymore.

Any help apreciated.

Oliver from Vela Nautica
A54 #39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:

Thanks Joerg 

I have found the issue, the SOG was not activated in the H3000 set up. All is ok now, but it will improve more once I calabrate all parameters 

Thanks Paul 

On 28 Jul 2019, at 10:19 am, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Paul, i, too, have had a failure of the sonic speed transducer but the new one - a much revised model Airmar I’m told - has been working flawlessly for 2 years.  If you do not have a BSP reading, you should check what the source of BSP is in the Settings Menu, likely under „system“  If it is the Airmar transducer, you should switch it to the paddle wheel (which is part of the depth and sea temp transducer, which is likely a dst200) and see whether you have BSP.   If you do, replace the sonic speed.  I would contact Stéphane at Pochon for this.  He may be able to get you a new one for free because the old one had known problems, but at least he will be able to tell you which type to get.  I’m not on the boat but can give you that info in late August if you still need it.   If you don’t see BSP with the paddle wheel either, you should check the other settings. Again, I can help in late August. 

You need BSP (or better yet, the drift corrected STW) to calculate the true wind direction and speed that you are seeing on the water - ie the wind speed and direction you need to make decisions whether to tack or gybe, for example, or to calibrate your wind instruments.  You could use SOG, but then you are calculating the TWD and TWS without any current effect and since the boat is sailing in the current, this will give you wrong info.    Even in the Med, current can make a significant difference.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 #53
Kincsem

Bill, it worked fine all last season but when i commenced sailing this season the paddle wheel was not functioning due to barnacles so I replaced it and it stated STW off, then you pointed me to calibration and then I found SOG was switched off, I switched it on on STW and TW and AW all worked fine.

Regards Paul 

On 13 Aug 2019, at 4:02 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Paul,

Your 54 didn't come with a Paddlewheel. Probably when it was added, parameters were not set...my guess.

Your 54 came with Sonic Speed. 

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 8:56 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Hi Bill, my issue was similar except my paddle wheel and sensor was ok accept the parameter associated to the sow was not activated in the H300 display, this then gave me SOW and correct TW and AW

Regards Paul 55#17

On 13 Aug 2019, at 3:34 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

As you may know, there are only a few values displayed on the B&G Hydra (2000-5000) that are actual. They are AWS, AWA, SOW, and Depth. All of the other values, like True Wind Angle, are calculated by the Hydra, usually using all of the actual values.

If your Speed Over Water (sonic speed or paddlewheel speed) is not working...or any of the other values, the calculated values will not be accurate.

Your issue is that the Sonic Speed is NOT working and the SOW value is not present in the calculation. You need to repair Sonic Speed, which is likely caused by sensors over 10 years old, add a B&G paddlewheel thru-hull, or something else. Check with a B&G rep for all of your options.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Yacht School (formerly Amel School) - Supporting Amel Owners

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

My Calendar 

Yacht School

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:14 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Have you tried entering into Menu and then setup and then calibrate and the entering a source? I’d had the same issue I think and found a source was not assigned such as SOG or similar 

Regards Paul- Fortuna II 55#17

On 13 Aug 2019, at 1:23 pm, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Hello,

I got 2 issues with my B&G H2000:
1. The magnified Wind shows wrong values. It comes from extension processor. We replaced the instrument but still the same.

2. We stored on land for 12 month and did a refit.
When we launched the boat the boat speed through water does not show anything anymore.

Any help apreciated.

Oliver from Vela Nautica
A54 #39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:

Thanks Joerg 

I have found the issue, the SOG was not activated in the H3000 set up. All is ok now, but it will improve more once I calabrate all parameters 

Thanks Paul 

On 28 Jul 2019, at 10:19 am, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Paul, i, too, have had a failure of the sonic speed transducer but the new one - a much revised model Airmar I’m told - has been working flawlessly for 2 years.  If you do not have a BSP reading, you should check what the source of BSP is in the Settings Menu, likely under „system“  If it is the Airmar transducer, you should switch it to the paddle wheel (which is part of the depth and sea temp transducer, which is likely a dst200) and see whether you have BSP.   If you do, replace the sonic speed.  I would contact Stéphane at Pochon for this.  He may be able to get you a new one for free because the old one had known problems, but at least he will be able to tell you which type to get.  I’m not on the boat but can give you that info in late August if you still need it.   If you don’t see BSP with the paddle wheel either, you should check the other settings. Again, I can help in late August. 

You need BSP (or better yet, the drift corrected STW) to calculate the true wind direction and speed that you are seeing on the water - ie the wind speed and direction you need to make decisions whether to tack or gybe, for example, or to calibrate your wind instruments.  You could use SOG, but then you are calculating the TWD and TWS without any current effect and since the boat is sailing in the current, this will give you wrong info.    Even in the Med, current can make a significant difference.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 #53
Kincsem

On 3 Aug 2019, at 06:40, Elaine Leishman via Groups.Io <leishman.elaine@...> wrote:

Selling B & G hydra system as removed from 1999 Super Maramu.  Working, except for a fault with the wind transducer.  Sonic speed sensors are brand new, never installed.  Will package and post worldwide.  Contact Elaine via the group.  We also have a lot of spare parts for the Volvo Penta engine and the Onan genset.
Elaine
SM 251 Nebo

Paul,

Your 54 didn't come with a Paddlewheel. Probably when it was added, parameters were not set...my guess.

Your 54 came with Sonic Speed. 

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 8:56 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Hi Bill, my issue was similar except my paddle wheel and sensor was ok accept the parameter associated to the sow was not activated in the H300 display, this then gave me SOW and correct TW and AW

Regards Paul 55#17

On 13 Aug 2019, at 3:34 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

As you may know, there are only a few values displayed on the B&G Hydra (2000-5000) that are actual. They are AWS, AWA, SOW, and Depth. All of the other values, like True Wind Angle, are calculated by the Hydra, usually using all of the actual values.

If your Speed Over Water (sonic speed or paddlewheel speed) is not working...or any of the other values, the calculated values will not be accurate.

Your issue is that the Sonic Speed is NOT working and the SOW value is not present in the calculation. You need to repair Sonic Speed, which is likely caused by sensors over 10 years old, add a B&G paddlewheel thru-hull, or something else. Check with a B&G rep for all of your options.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse

Yacht School (formerly Amel School) - Supporting Amel Owners

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

My Calendar 

Yacht School

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:14 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:

Have you tried entering into Menu and then setup and then calibrate and the entering a source? I’d had the same issue I think and found a source was not assigned such as SOG or similar 

Regards Paul- Fortuna II 55#17

On 13 Aug 2019, at 1:23 pm, Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:

Hello,

I got 2 issues with my B&G H2000:
1. The magnified Wind shows wrong values. It comes from extension processor. We replaced the instrument but still the same.

2. We stored on land for 12 month and did a refit.
When we launched the boat the boat speed through water does not show anything anymore.

Any help apreciated.

Oliver from Vela Nautica
A54 #39
Portugal

Sent from my Huawei Mobile

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B&G issues
From: Paul Brown
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
CC:

Thanks Joerg 

I have found the issue, the SOG was not activated in the H3000 set up. All is ok now, but it will improve more once I calabrate all parameters 

Thanks Paul 

On 28 Jul 2019, at 10:19 am, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Paul, i, too, have had a failure of the sonic speed transducer but the new one - a much revised model Airmar I’m told - has been working flawlessly for 2 years.  If you do not have a BSP reading, you should check what the source of BSP is in the Settings Menu, likely under „system“  If it is the Airmar transducer, you should switch it to the paddle wheel (which is part of the depth and sea temp transducer, which is likely a dst200) and see whether you have BSP.   If you do, replace the sonic speed.  I would contact Stéphane at Pochon for this.  He may be able to get you a new one for free because the old one had known problems, but at least he will be able to tell you which type to get.  I’m not on the boat but can give you that info in late August if you still need it.   If you don’t see BSP with the paddle wheel either, you should check the other settings. Again, I can help in late August. 

You need BSP (or better yet, the drift corrected STW) to calculate the true wind direction and speed that you are seeing on the water - ie the wind speed and direction you need to make decisions whether to tack or gybe, for example, or to calibrate your wind instruments.  You could use SOG, but then you are calculating the TWD and TWS without any current effect and since the boat is sailing in the current, this will give you wrong info.    Even in the Med, current can make a significant difference.  

Joerg Esdorn 
A55 #53
Kincsem

I have a Superwind half way up the mizzen mast and it is completely silent.  I have a special connector between the mast bracket and the generator which makes the unit sit and rotate on a plastic plate, rather than metal, and is supposed to eliminate any resonance.   It's been working.  It's been in 45 knots plus apparent several times without any problem.  This is the only wind generator which feathers the blades mechanically when the wind gets up too much, like a full sized professional unit.   You can also short it out electrically in high winds, reducing the wind pressure on the mast.  

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Almerimar, Spain