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Re: When to use Running Back Stays and Onan Control Board PCB

Alan Leslie
 

Unusually we have a staysail (trinquete) on our Super Maramu.
We had a staysail on our previous 12m IOR yacht also.
You use the running backstays ALWAYS when using the staysail, because it supports the mast.
Otherwise the only support is at the top of the mast and the tension on the staysail luff will cause the mast to pump, which will destroy the mast in  big winds.
So the deal is when you sheet the staysail on the port, side for example, the running backstay on the starboard side is wound on the starboard winch...tight.
When you tack, you swap sides, staysail sheet on starboard winch, port side runner on port winch...  
Generally going upwind in strong breeze is when we use the staysail, the genoa is too baggy when reefed, it's not possible to maintain a good angle to the wind.

So ALWAYS use the runners when going up wind with the staysail.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Re: Fiji Pearl rendezvous

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

I like the one that JP (the previous owner) installed on Aquarius.
Easy to use and easy to install.

Echo Sounder 2D Professional.

Two places to buy in the USA.

GEMECO MARINE ACCESSO
Tel.: +1 803 693 0777
Email: info@...
Website: http://www.gemeco.com

TECHNILAB LLC
Tel.: +1 614 795 8347
Email: sales@...
Website: http://store.technilabco.com

On 8/15/19, Paul Osterberg <@Kerpa> wrote:
Ken
I'm thinking of installing a forward looking sonar. Is there any one you
recommend?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259
Re: Engine alignment

david bruce
 

Thank you Eric, Davi, Bill, Olivier and all for your suggestions regarding the align issue.  At present it seems yo be well aligned, done fairly meticulously but sans tool.   The vibration is completely resolved.  For a variety of reasons we will push on and have to hope that in X# of hours we are not in Davi’s situation.  Again thank you. 

On another recent thread topic regarding anchors.   We just switched from S100 spade to 25 kg Rocna since we felt the Spade struggled to penetrate weeds and harder packed bottom surfaces.  We have a Rocna on our boat in the PNW and it has been awesome.
  I did however switch anchors on Liesse with some misgiving given the recent reports of loss of purchase after 180deg wind shifts. 
Well,  to my complete astonishment we fell victim to this phenomenon with the very first use of the Rocna.  Gaeta bay is dense mud, very good holding in our experience thus far.  We had a solid bite and well set anchor but after a rather lazy low velocity 180 deg wind shift and then back to our original orientation over a  a couple of hours we noted we were now dragging as wind built to 18-22 kn.  The anchor was completely filled with a huge clod of mud nearly as tall as the roll bar rendering it more of a large bowling ball than anchor and which was not easy to clear. 
My impression is that the anchor acts like a large ice cream scoop when is swivels rendering it ineffective if the mud is dense and sticky. 
This is a disconcerting event on a first deployment to say the least and i m not sure what i ll do but it does seem extra caution is warranted with a thick mud bottom and the 180 deg wind shift when using a Rocna.  

Best regards, 
Dave Bruce
Liesse SN006





On Aug 14, 2019, at 6:16 AM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

David,

When I designed and made the aluminum alignment tool in the photo below, I found it was too tight a fit as the input

shaft which is also 35.00 mm. To make life simpler open the hole up a few thousands of an inch. Above is the tool used by Amel . The bolt  holes are not necessary and I just simplified their design.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 9:15 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Engine alignment

 

David,

 

Some mechanics have aligned without a special alignment tool (a fixed coupling) designed and made by Amel and easily duplicated in a machine shop. I think perfect alignment without a fixed coupling is 99% luck rather than skill. The alignment is done with the tool, then the engine is slid forward and the tool replaced with a Vetus Coupling. 

 

When the Vetus Coupling is removed, be sure to check the Rubber Bushings inside (sold separately). This is a drawing of that tool for a Super Maramu. Be sure to check the shaft size on your Santorin:

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Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:22 AM david bruce <davidcbruce57@...> wrote:

Hello all,

We are in Gaeta Italy where mechanics are trying to alleviate a mild but distinct engine vibration noted under load.  I'd rather not go into how this occurred but suffice it to say that moving a boat a few hundred meters at idle to a travel lift minus the stb forward alternator bracket in place is not a good idea.  (bracket was being welded after breaking and landing alt on spinning spline pulley)

 Our well intentioned but seemingly flummoxed non English speaking mechanics have us decoupled ( engine/transmission, not marriage) and best I can tell are ruminating on a fix.  I absolutely don't want to make matters worse.  

Any advice on what to do or advise them or what specifically NOT to do at this point would be greatly appreciated.  i think finding someone with significant Amel experience nearby is highly unlikely. 

Thanks so much for any advisement. 

Best regards,  

Dave Bruce 
sv Liesse   SN006


 

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Re: Fiji Pearl rendezvous

Paul Osterberg
 

Ken
I'm thinking of installing a forward looking sonar. Is there any one you recommend? 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 
Re: Fiji Pearl rendezvous

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Same in Fiji, same in Indonesia, same in Vanuatu.

You should have Google Map Overlays for all your anchorages. OpenCPN
with the google map overlays is a good solution. Also, I would
suggest forward looking sonar for anyone doing a circumnavigation.

Ken

On 8/12/19, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:
WARNING
Be VERY careful with Navionics in the Yasawa's. In many places they are dead
wrong...eg they don't show the commonly used, and marked, channel into the
Blue Lagoon from the E, just a big reef, and the reefs they show don't often
correlate with reality
ADVICE
Get hold of paper chart F5 and make good use of the Mk1 eyeball.
Cheers
Alan
Re: When to use Running Back Stays and Onan Control Board PCB

Paul Brown
 

Hi Porter,

Could you please explain how you sheet it to the opposite side? I appreciate the knowledge

Regards Paul - Fortuna II 55#17

On 14 Aug 2019, at 7:55 am, Porter McRoberts via Groups.Io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Scott. That’s exactly what we do re the staysail and the running backstay. Awesome sail that allows pointing quite high, really stabilized the ship. Also adds about a knot in light upwind going when used in conjunction with the Genoa. We occasionally even sheet it to the opposite site allowing for a few extra degrees upwind in light airs and calm seas.

Porter

S/v IBIS
54-152
Maupiti (and a trickle of internet)

Excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com

On Aug 13, 2019, at 7:35 PM, Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Re: B&G Hydra / Furuno System For Sale

Gerald Bassin
 

Hi Ruedi

Could you please complete your email address? ...(dot)....

Brgrds

Gerald

On 13/08/2019 17:00, Rudolf Waldispuehl wrote:
Hi everybody
If someone is still interested in Hydra2000 or Furuno Equipment
removed from an Amel54 (2007).
- B&G Hydra2000 & Hydra Instruments, - B&G Processor,
- Furuno NAVnet Chart-Ploter, Furuno AIS FA30 incl. Lorenz VHF Antenna
Spliter, Furuno Network Sounder ETR-6/10N, Furuno Heading Sensor,
Please drop me a E-mail on ruedi (at) waldispuehl (dot). I'll send you
pictures so you can see the details and make an offer.
Ruedi
"SY WASABI"
Amel 54. #55
MMSI: 269322000
Call Sign: HBY3811
Von: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io" <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
on behalf of Seckin Barlas <seckinbar@...>
Antworten an: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io"
<main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
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Betreff: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] B & G Hydra System For Sale
Hi Elaine;
I would be interested in BG hydra system.
Can you pleae give me info about the price location…etc
seckinbar@...
Seckin
SY HAYAT
SM76

On 3 Aug 2019, at 06:40, Elaine Leishman via Groups.Io
<leishman.elaine=yahoo.com.au@groups.io> wrote:
Selling B & G hydra system as removed from 1999 Super Maramu.
Working, except for a fault with the wind transducer. Sonic speed
sensors are brand new, never installed. Will package and post
worldwide. Contact Elaine via the group. We also have a lot of
spare parts for the Volvo Penta engine and the Onan genset.
Elaine
SM 251 Nebo
Links:
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Re: B&G issues

ofer magen
 

Hi to all, 
First I want to thank the groups and mainly Bill R for the great dedication and support. 
I have a long time issue with boat speed on the H3000. It's randomly coming an going. My sensors are clean, the potentiometer was fixed. 
What else can I do? 

Thanks and warm regards to all. 

Ofer Magen
Alba A54 160 
Re: When to use Running Back Stays and Onan Control Board PCB

Porter McRoberts
 

Scott. That’s exactly what we do re the staysail and the running backstay. Awesome sail that allows pointing quite high, really stabilized the ship. Also adds about a knot in light upwind going when used in conjunction with the Genoa. We occasionally even sheet it to the opposite site allowing for a few extra degrees upwind in light airs and calm seas.

Porter

S/v IBIS
54-152
Maupiti (and a trickle of internet)

Excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
Www.fouribis.com

On Aug 13, 2019, at 7:35 PM, Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
Re: Amel is going lithium

Paul Brown
 

Thanks Joerg 




On 14 Aug 2019, at 7:34 am, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

I don’t know current pricing.  The generator and mizzen attachment was about 3K 2 years ago but I believe prices have gone up.  Definitely cheaper to have more solar but I like the mix of power sources.   Cheers. Joerg 

Re: When to use Running Back Stays and Onan Control Board PCB

Paul Brown
 

Thanks very much Scott, that helps me along also

Regards Paul - Fortuna II 55#17


On 14 Aug 2019, at 3:51 am, Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:

I'm sure others have done it before, but we don't use the staysail downwind.

We either use it in lieu of the genoa in 28+ knot apparent winds upwind or just going upwind along with the genoa. The latter sometimes allows approx. 10 degree higher pointing angles, but not always. Keep in mind I have a 54 and not a 55. Just give it a go and see how the boat responds. I will tell you that you don't want the baby forestay (or any standing rigging really) flapping about.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: Amel is going lithium

Joerg Esdorn
 

I don’t know current pricing.  The generator and mizzen attachment was about 3K 2 years ago but I believe prices have gone up.  Definitely cheaper to have more solar but I like the mix of power sources.   Cheers. Joerg 
Engine alignment

eric freedman
 

David,

When I designed and made the aluminum alignment tool in the photo below, I found it was too tight a fit as the input

shaft which is also 35.00 mm. To make life simpler open the hole up a few thousands of an inch. Above is the tool used by Amel . The bolt  holes are not necessary and I just simplified their design.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 9:15 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Engine alignment

 

David,

 

Some mechanics have aligned without a special alignment tool (a fixed coupling) designed and made by Amel and easily duplicated in a machine shop. I think perfect alignment without a fixed coupling is 99% luck rather than skill. The alignment is done with the tool, then the engine is slid forward and the tool replaced with a Vetus Coupling. 

 

When the Vetus Coupling is removed, be sure to check the Rubber Bushings inside (sold separately). This is a drawing of that tool for a Super Maramu. Be sure to check the shaft size on your Santorin:

image.png

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:22 AM david bruce <davidcbruce57@...> wrote:

Hello all,

We are in Gaeta Italy where mechanics are trying to alleviate a mild but distinct engine vibration noted under load.  I'd rather not go into how this occurred but suffice it to say that moving a boat a few hundred meters at idle to a travel lift minus the stb forward alternator bracket in place is not a good idea.  (bracket was being welded after breaking and landing alt on spinning spline pulley)

 Our well intentioned but seemingly flummoxed non English speaking mechanics have us decoupled ( engine/transmission, not marriage) and best I can tell are ruminating on a fix.  I absolutely don't want to make matters worse.  

Any advice on what to do or advise them or what specifically NOT to do at this point would be greatly appreciated.  i think finding someone with significant Amel experience nearby is highly unlikely. 

Thanks so much for any advisement. 

Best regards,  

Dave Bruce 
sv Liesse   SN006


 

Re: Engine alignment

Porter McRoberts
 

I second this opinion/advice. Strongly. We really struggled without it. 
Without device: cdrive drive shaft damaged with new longblock replacement and needed rebuilt driveshaft and coupling. After device (and rebuilt driveshaft and new coupling (and new engine)) 370 hours of silky-smooth, totally vibration free motoring. 

Just do it. 

It really should be with every Amel. 


My 0.02$. 

Porter.
A54-152



Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Aug 12, 2019, at 8:07 PM, Davi Rozgonyi <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote:

I only have one piece of advice, from experience, but it is the most important one: GET THEM TO MAKE UP THAT ALIGNMENT TOOL! It is not hard. The first 'competent' mechanic who took out our engine for work did not use one, insisted he could do it without, and 100 hours later we limped into another country with the vetus coupling destroyed. The second, much more competent mechanic fixed her up, and tried to insist he could align her without the tool. :D I pulled him out of the engine room, gave him the specs (above in this thread) to make the tool, and sent him off to do it. Took him an hour, came back, aligned it perfectly. Now the tool is part of our cruising kit, and our Amel is happy. MAKE THE TOOL or don't go anywhere.... 

Re: When to use Running Back Stays and Onan Control Board PCB

Scott SV Tengah
 

I'm sure others have done it before, but we don't use the staysail downwind.

We either use it in lieu of the genoa in 28+ knot apparent winds upwind or just going upwind along with the genoa. The latter sometimes allows approx. 10 degree higher pointing angles, but not always. Keep in mind I have a 54 and not a 55. Just give it a go and see how the boat responds. I will tell you that you don't want the baby forestay (or any standing rigging really) flapping about.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
Re: Amel is going lithium

Stephen Davis
 

Thanks Bill. My batteries are near the end of there life, and I’m interested in this upgrade. 

Steve
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii

On Aug 13, 2019, at 08:06, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

I don’t know off the top of my head but there is an output curve on their website which is pretty good.  The big benefit is that it’s running all the time when you’re in 7 knots apparent or more.  So I get 50 Ah per day or more quite often.  It’s great when you are sailing on a reach or upwind.   Not so great downwind in Italy in August.  

B&G paddlewheel sensor

Herbert Lackner
 

hi all, we changed all the electronics on KALI MERA from B&G to Raymarine. Some months before I renewed the B&G paddlewheel speed sensor, would sell it if someone needs it, is almost new. Just found it when I sorted my tools.
B&G item 202 00 100.    just send me a mail to herbert-at-lackner.at

herbert
KALI MERA, SN120, Mazatlan Mexico
www.kali-mera.net
Re: When to use Running Back Stays and Onan Control Board PCB

Paul Brown
 

Thanks Scott, does this mean the running back stay is used up or down wind when the stay stay is used? I’m new to a ketch and have a lot to learn- regards Paul 


On 13 Aug 2019, at 8:54 pm, Scott SV Tengah <sv.tengah@...> wrote:

I agree that you should ideally use the running backstay anytime you are using the staysail. I will say we do use the preventers anytime we go greater than 100deg apparent. It doesn't take long and the downside is too big.

That said, we don't do everything perfectly aboard Tengah all the time. Regarding the running backstay, if you ever see the baby forestay getting loose from the staysail pulling the mast forward, you definitely want to use the running backstay at that point. 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: When to use Running Back Stays and Onan Control Board PCB

Scott SV Tengah
 

I agree that you should ideally use the running backstay anytime you are using the staysail. I will say we do use the preventers anytime we go greater than 100deg apparent. It doesn't take long and the downside is too big.

That said, we don't do everything perfectly aboard Tengah all the time. Regarding the running backstay, if you ever see the baby forestay getting loose from the staysail pulling the mast forward, you definitely want to use the running backstay at that point. 
--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com
Re: Amel is going lithium

Paul Brown
 

Sounds very effective, could I ask the total cost?
Regards Paul 


On 13 Aug 2019, at 8:06 pm, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

I don’t know off the top of my head but there is an output curve on their website which is pretty good.  The big benefit is that it’s running all the time when you’re in 7 knots apparent or more.  So I get 50 Ah per day or more quite often.  It’s great when you are sailing on a reach or upwind.   Not so great downwind in Italy in August.