Re: Amel Mango Emergency Tiller Storage Location
Charles Bell
Thank you Alan! I will go take some measures and see if I can tuck then up about the pilot berth shelf. Charles
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Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit
Jean Luc, The Amel 55 C-Drive Propeller Shaft Wear Bushing and Seal Kit. I am 100% positive that you can get this only at Amel. Best, CW Bill Rouse 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: Always check your contractors' work
Ken,
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IMO, FaceBook or other social media is where people can freely rant unchecked about stuff. I for one prefer this forum to be clear of opinions and criticism (such as I am doing now). " Open discussion, with honest opinion, with no "political" agenda, that's what I think owners are looking for. " As an owner, this is NOT what I am looking for. With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama
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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Powers SV Aquarius Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 10:33 AM To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Always check your contractors' work Bill, I agree, maybe this isn't the place to have open honest discussions about things that happen when working on, or getting your Amel repaired.. My question is, where is the right place, because I want to be a member there? I want to know when someone does a good job, and when someone really screws up a boat! That's called clout.... If someone messes up my boat, I am going to put it on YouTube, and I am going to tell everyone I know what happened... In a way, that helps all Amel owners. Open discussion, with honest opinion, with no "political" agenda, that's what I think owners are looking for. I stand behind everything I write! If he had a bad day with me, someone else can back him up, and tell the rest of the Amel owners how great he is at his job. You know, I listened for 10 minutes while he ranted in French screaming at me! And, in the end he was totally wrong! You really want to try to tell me he knows Climma, or that he is a good manager? Look, if we all tip toe around the facts, where shall we go for facts? Ken Powers Aquarius Soon to be in Never Never land On 8/21/19, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@gmail.com> wrote: Ken and others interested,
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Re: Forward Looking Sonar
Stefano Biffi
I have ZEUS 2 With foward looking, works nice, helpful in low water. During the docking I can estimate how deep is below and how far is the other lip of the Harbour. Never used between submerged rocks, till now.
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Stefano N’EVEREST Super Maramu 185 Italy
Il giorno 21 ago 2019, alle ore 16:02, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> ha scritto:
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Re: Always check your contractors' work
Ken, Google reviews, yelp, and others allow for both sides of the review to be seen, customers and businesses. Since our suppliers and people who work for us are not members of this group, this is not the place. Believe me, I have seen more than one situation where the complainant presented a one-sided case that was believed by many, but the complainant was wrong. I have seen the opposite also. So, I hope you understand why our group is not the place to complain about vendors and services. I am sure that you agree if you owned a business, you would not want to have a complaint posted that you could not respond to. Best, CW Bill Rouse 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 9:33 AM Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote: Bill,
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Re: Always check your contractors' work
Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Bill,
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I agree, maybe this isn't the place to have open honest discussions about things that happen when working on, or getting your Amel repaired.. My question is, where is the right place, because I want to be a member there? I want to know when someone does a good job, and when someone really screws up a boat! That's called clout.... If someone messes up my boat, I am going to put it on YouTube, and I am going to tell everyone I know what happened... In a way, that helps all Amel owners. Open discussion, with honest opinion, with no "political" agenda, that's what I think owners are looking for. I stand behind everything I write! If he had a bad day with me, someone else can back him up, and tell the rest of the Amel owners how great he is at his job. You know, I listened for 10 minutes while he ranted in French screaming at me! And, in the end he was totally wrong! You really want to try to tell me he knows Climma, or that he is a good manager? Look, if we all tip toe around the facts, where shall we go for facts? Ken Powers Aquarius Soon to be in Never Never land
On 8/21/19, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@gmail.com> wrote:
Ken and others interested,
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Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit
Thank you Bill for the good advice and I agree, also for the additional information which I wil fill
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Kind regards and thank you for the ongoing assistance, very much appreciated Regards Paul
On 21 Aug 2019, at 3:11 pm, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit
jlm@jlmertz.fr
Bill, About what for C-drive seals you are speeking ? Jean Luc Le 21/08/2019 à 15:11, CW Bill Rouse a
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Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit
Paul, I think that www.123roulement.com is a good company, but I am 99% sure that they will NOT have the Amel-made wear bushing. They may have seals that fit, but to ensure you are getting the best seal for the job, don't try to save a few euros. My advice is to purchase the wear bushing and seals from Amel only. The 55 has a larger output shaft and thus larger wear bushing and seals than the SM & 54. The procedure is also different. Email sav"at"amel.fr. Ask for the complete kit and also ask for instructions. The last time someone asked for instructions, Amel sent them instructions for SM & 54. Hopefully that has changed. Best, CW Bill Rouse 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:53 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote: hello all, I’m inquiring please for assistance to where I can purchase the Cdrive seal kit and at what estimated price? Can this only be purchased through Amel or is it a standard product from a distributor or manufacturer?
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Re: Forward Looking Sonar
Patrick McAneny
When we replaced all our electronic due to lightning damage ,we went with the latest B&G equipment,including forward looking sonar. We had Interphase prior and for me it was like trying to read a ultrasound . The B&G sonar sends false images of things that do not exist ,with the bottom going up and down and what looks like walls showing and then disappearing . These false signals have instilled no confidence to the point I never turn it on and at this point I consider a big waste of money. It was professionally installed and I have spoken to the installer as well as B&G reps. at the boat show , I have gotten no answers . I got to the point that I assume this is the state of the art ,when it comes to sonar.
But after reading what a few of you have said about your sonar,which are older than mine ,I am convinced that something is wrong with my unit. Does anyone have B&G forward looking sonar ,how is it working for you, false images ?
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans
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From: Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...> To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Sent: Wed, Aug 21, 2019 1:36 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Forward Looking Sonar We have the Interphase forward looking sonar on our A54 and use it often. It's not perfect, but definitely useful.
As Ken noted, we often use it to scope out the surrounding depths to account for any swinging. And more than once it has showed us that the charts aren't perfect and given us time to go astern hard to avoid a collision with an uncharted obstacle. -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: Always check your contractors' work
Ken and others interested,
I do not think this forum is a place to criticize any business or person for work performed on any Amel. The reason is that it would be one-sided, and we all know that there are at least two sides to every story.
Caraibe Marine and all of its shops in Martinique are owned by Philippe LECONTE. I know him very well and if anyone wants help with any problem with any of his 8 different shops in Martinique, please ask me. My email address is brouse@.... I also know Patrice FOUGEROUSE who manages Caraibe Refrigeration for Philippe. I have found him to be very knowledgeable regarding Frigoboat and Climma. He has also been very responsive. I also know each of the managers that run Philippe's shops. It is true that anyone can make a mistake, you and I included, and anyone can be wrong, but regarding the honesty, integrity, and professionalism of Philippe and all of the managers that work for him, I believe they exhibit the very high standards.
This year we had the first ever Amel Yacht Owners Rally in Martinique. Philippe LECONTE and Caraibe Marine Shops sponsored the rally and bought a wonderful dinner for all of the participants. BTW, la Marina du Marin, sponsored with reduced rates and other stuff, Carenantilles Yard gave away a free haulout to one Rally participant, I gave away 2 of my Amel Books, and JP and Stephanie at Caribbean Yacht Sales paid for the drinks at dinner. I think that Martinique and all of the Martinique businesses I mentioned above have created a special place to bring your Amel. In my "circle of the world," I found no better place, especially considering the fact that Amel has a company owned service facility there. The presence of Amel in Martinique also allows for an expert advisor to all Martinique businesses that you might deal with. I know for a fact that the businesses I mentioned above have a great relationship with Amel and communicate often on specific issues that are unique to Amel...you will not find that anywhere outside of France. Best,
CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
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Re: Always check your contractors' work
Scott SV Tengah
That's a fantastic idea!
Drink for worker = soda or rum/coke? :) I guess the latter would make sure you work fast before he starts slurring his speech. -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit
Thank you Jean Luc, this is much appreciated and helpful
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On 21 Aug 2019, at 11:15 am, "jlm@..." <jlm@...> wrote:
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Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit
jlm@jlmertz.fr
Paul, in France you have www.123roulement.com .... You will find all what you need with fast delivery .... Jean Luc Le 21/08/2019 à 09:53, Paul Brown a
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hello all, I’m inquiring please for assistance to where I can purchase the Cdrive seal kit and at what estimated price? Can this only be purchased through Amel or is it a standard product from a distributor or manufacturer?
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Amel Cdrive seal kit
hello all, I’m inquiring please for assistance to where I can purchase the Cdrive seal kit and at what estimated price? Can this only be purchased through Amel or is it a standard product from a distributor or manufacturer?
thank you for your time regards paul - Fortuna II 55#17
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Re: Always check your contractors' work
Ken Powers SV Aquarius
This is how to go one step farther than just supervising your workers:
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When I was in Shelter Bay Marina, there was a mechanic there, I think they call him the Diesel Whisperer, or something like that... His name might be Greg, and he is one very good mechanic if you need one in Panama. I hired him to come over and change the coolant in both the genset and the engine, and also clean out the heat exchangers because my engine was overheating slightly at 2200 RPM. When he got to Aquarius I gave him a cold drink, and said... "Today this is your job, drink as much as you like, but you have to make sure I do everything correctly". He had all the proper tools for making sure that they system would hold pressure, and he just instructed me on how to take everything apart, and get it back together properly. So, the next time if I had to do it, I could do it myself. And, I know it was done properly... Well, it is still working after 600 hours. O - The reason for the over-heating... 4 small pieces of impellers in the heat exchanger from before I owned Aquarius. Ken Powers Aquarius Currently in Indonesia
On 8/20/19, Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah ok, I have not had experience with the refrigeration group.
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Re: Amel Mango Emergency Tiller Storage Location
marklesparkle59
Charles, My emergency tiller on a Sharki lives in the cockpit lazarette. I might try it out on the Companionway shelf although I wouldn't want it flying around. Mark Sent from my Samsung device
-------- Original message -------- From: Charles Bell <shipbldr2000@...> Date: 21/08/2019 00:55 (GMT+00:00) To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel Mango Emergency Tiller Storage Location Can anyone tell me the correct location to store the Emergency tiller and rudder post extension on an Amel Mango? The storage locations for all the other specialty parts on the boat make sense... but I cannot seem to find where the emergency tiller (180cm+ long) should be stored. When I took possession of my boat the emergency tiller was loose in the port cockpit lazarette. I just can't bring myself to think this is how the factory intended it to be stored. I have read the posts regarding emergency tiller storage on the SM's. The emergency tiller arm on is too long to fit in the cabinets behind the pilot berth. The only location I have not eliminated is the bilge directly in front of the salon settee. Did I miss something? Does anyone remember the factory storage location for the emergency tiller and supporting hardware? Thank you, Charles SV Saturn Amel Mango
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Re: Forward Looking Sonar
Scott SV Tengah
We have the Interphase forward looking sonar on our A54 and use it often. It's not perfect, but definitely useful.
As Ken noted, we often use it to scope out the surrounding depths to account for any swinging. And more than once it has showed us that the charts aren't perfect and given us time to go astern hard to avoid a collision with an uncharted obstacle. -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: Always check your contractors' work
Scott SV Tengah
Ah ok, I have not had experience with the refrigeration group.
Good thing you guys didn't take what they said at face value! That said, I still believe having Amel's office nearby is invaluable so my vote is still for Le Marin. The electricians in Southern Spain were nice guys so I am a bit loathe to hang them out to dry. But given how much additional time and money I have wasted due to their shoddy work, I've realized that it's more important to me that no fellow Amel owner has to go through what I did. The group was Electrical Marine Services in Gibraltar. An English guy and a South African. Initially I was very happy with their work as they actually showed up on time or at all, unlike some of the other contractors we hired. They got the work done on time, unlike the other contractors. As time passed and problems with their work surfaced, my opinion of them changed. The primary "other" contractor was MH Preserve at Alcaidesa Marina. They were overwhelmed and understaffed for the quantity of work we had them do - keep in mind this is right when we bought the boat. They came recommended by a surveyor but I surmise they were buddies. Anyways it's run by an English guy and his father does a lot of the work. With that (reverse?) nepotism, the father was unfireable and the work quality and pace reflected that. Additionally the marina makes it very expensive to bring in outside contractors, so you're stuck with them. The only reason we were able to leave was because my visa was running out. Otherwise we'd probably still be there today! -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: Forward Looking Sonar
Ken Powers SV Aquarius
And one more thing... "it only sees a little over a boat length"
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This statement is completely false..... Maybe this is true in 4 meters, but in 4 meters (2 meter under your keel) you should not be moving very fast, maybe 1 knot or so unless you have local knowledge. I have found the EchoPilot a big help and I can see in front of the boat about 20 meters in this situation... But, in 10 meters, where you usually drop your anchor you can see out at least 40 to 50 meters, and in 40 meters you can see a wall coming at you 70 meters or more before you hit it, giving you plenty of room to slow down if moving 6 kts. And, yes, this did happen to me, because you can't always trust your charts. Case in point here in Indonesia; Google overlays are a MUST here anytime you're in less that 100 meters. But, the statement that you have to weave to see the whole picture of what is in front of you this is very true, and sometimes you will see Aquarius doing a circle before dropping the anchor just so I can see what is around. And, my echoPilot will show me what the bottom of the anchorage looks like which is very helpful in getting the anchor set just the way I like it. I am not a sales person for EchoPilot, but have used one for the past 2.5 years, and I love it. We use it every time we anchor, or moving through water less than 50 meters unless we know the area well. Which we rarely do because we are halfway through a one way trip around the world. I don't want to seem mean, but when I see a patently false statement, or a statement that is misleading I have to say something. Ken Powers Aquarius Currently in Indonesia
On 8/20/19, karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I had the EchoPilot 2-D on my boat when purchased 10 years ago. I found it
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