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Re: Pulling the mast to rerig
Better yet, do what I did and have your wife go up the mast so you don't hurt yourself :-)
Cheers, Craig & Katherine SN68 Sangaris.
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Re: Pulling the mast to rerig
Germain Jean-Pierre
Hello Mike and Alan,
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Delos did it all themselves sometimes back. I am considering doing it myself with one younger more nimble guy in the bosun’s chair. Good luck. Jean-Pierre Germain,SY Eleuthera SM 007, Fiji
On 23 Aug 2019, at 12:47, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:
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Re: Pulling the mast to rerig
Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience? Mike Ondra Aletes SM#240 Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay
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Re: Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience
Try starting.
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Keep let turned for maybe 10 seconds. Now carefully feel each battery cable termination. Better yet, if you have a no contact infra red thermometer, check each termination’s temperature, including connections at the battery and the starter. You’ll likely find one of them, maybe more, at a relatively high temperature. If so, you’ve found your culprit. A fix might require cleaning a connection, or recrimping a termination lug. Good luck, and don’t burn yourself..... ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Aug 22, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Dominique Guenot <dominique_guenot@...> wrote:
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Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience
Hello,
My engine battery was not able to start the Yanmar this morning. I jumped start the engine successfully using the House battery bank The engine battery is 2 month old and charged. A reputable electro-mechanic tested Volt and Amp during the start when you turn on the key with the engine battery: - at battery level it is correct - at starter motor level there is a significant drop in Volt and Amp, (way more than expected when the starter kicks in) and cannot launch the starter motor. Therefore he recommends changing the cables which are "consuming Amp" and will eventually stop working. I never thought that such big cables (35mm2) could degrade and/or stop working? Is someone had similar problems? Any recommendation? Thanks Dominique sv Viva SM #374 Papeete, French Polynesia
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Re: start stop engine
To make it clearer, Amel uses a “floating”, or “isolated” ground system that disconnects battery negative from the bonding (zincs) system. It makes a connection to the engine block only when the starter, stop solenoid, or glow plugs are energized. A solenoid in the line between battery negative and the engine block is energized to complete the circuit. There are three diodes in the circuit that prevent a feedback loop which would energize the stop and start solenoids at the same time. If the stop diode failed, the button wouldn’t work. If the start diode shorted, you would hear the starter motor when you pushed the stop button.
If the stop diode shorted the engine wouldn’t start because the stop solenoid would be energized when you keyed the engine to start. Craig, Bill, Danny, etc, if I don’t have this quite right, please correct me, . Kent SM243 Kristy
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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts
Thomas Kleman
Orion- I'd second these comments but also point out that your maintenance costs depend largely on picking a good Amel and how quickly you climb the learning curve where you can do most of the work yourself....as with any boat.
First, finding a good Amel....shame on you if you fumble this aspect. Between Joel, Olivier, Bill, and some others you have ample resources to locate and evaluate a boat. Use them. Regarding the learning curve, most of us on this site are not naval architects or engineers by trade. We use the Amel community and resources to solicit advice and resolve problems. One could infer by reading the site that Amels are high maintenance boats but you're looking at the oasis inferring all animals are thirsty. We use the site when the rare issue arises where input would be helpful. So in my opinion your question has no definitive answer but only a more subjective one. You've probably noticed Amel owners love their boats in a way I haven't noticed among other marques and yes, in buying one you are joining a community (or cult depending your outlook). Tom and Kirstin SM2K 422 SV L'ORIENT Colon, Panama
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Re: start stop engine
Gerhard, thanks for that. There was a lot more information I sent him off-group. Eric, Thank you very much for the diode reminder...I sent him your detailed posting along with your photos that you previously posted on this problem. Best, CW Bill Rouse 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:56 PM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: start stop engine
You beat me to it, Eric. That was the first thing that came to mind, too, unless the engine is new to him and he doesn’t know to push the stop button before turning off the key as Gerhart suggested.
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Kent Robertson S/V Kristy SM 243
On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:59 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:
There are two diodes in the circuit before the solenoid with the black rubber top. They are connected to one of the small wires on the solenoid. These diodes prevent the engine from starting and stopping at the same time. If there is a short in the diode the engine will try to start and stop at the same time. The diodes are made by Motorola and are not immediately visible as they are covered by black heat shrink tubing. They are a few inches from the big solenoid. One of the wires goes to the starter switch and the other goes to the stop solenoid in the injector pump. The first thing I would do is to check the diodes. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sebti Lamya
I am unable to stop the engine with the switch button in the cockpit
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Mainsail manual furler lip seal size?
Scott SV Tengah
Hi all,
I'm rebuilding my mainsail manual furling gearbox and found Pat's info from SM123 very helpful. All the bearings and seals were listed except for the lip seal for the winch handle socket. The seal has degraded to the point that I can't read the specs on it anymore. Does anyone have the specs on this seal? It's amazing how fast it degrades due to UV, so I'll use Bill Rouse's beer koozie trick once I replace it. See attached photo for the seal I'm referencing. I think it's the same seal as on the SM. -- Scott 2007 A54 #69 SV Tengah http://www.svtengah.com
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Re: start stop engine
eric freedman
There are two diodes in the circuit before the solenoid with the black rubber top. They are connected to one of the small wires on the solenoid. These diodes prevent the engine from starting and stopping at the same time. If there is a short in the diode the engine will try to start and stop at the same time. The diodes are made by Motorola and are not immediately visible as they are covered by black heat shrink tubing. They are a few inches from the big solenoid. One of the wires goes to the starter switch and the other goes to the stop solenoid in the injector pump. The first thing I would do is to check the diodes. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sebti Lamya
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:33 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] start stop engine
I am unable to stop the engine with the switch button in the cockpit
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AMEL HAS AN OFFICE IN HUNTINGTON NY
eric freedman
I went by the office as I heard there was a 50 in the harbor across from my boat. The 50 was returned to the main office and is now back in Huntington. I am going to take a look at it Saturday. If anyone is nearby and would like to see it is here. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
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Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit
Thank you Bill for your statement ! It's all right and if Amel hits 30%, it's more than fair. For this you always get the right part sometimes in Europe in 24 hours, you don't have to search and you have the pleasure to phone with Moude! i love it Best Elja SM 222 Von meinem iPhone gesendet
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Re: start stop engine
Gerhard Mueller
Bill
Perhaps you misunderstand. He is already stopping the engine by hand with the level at the injection pump. But he wants to stop the engine with the stop button at the engine panel using the stop solenoid as normal. Regarding the wire diagrams it might be he has first switched off the start switch and after that the stop button has no current anymore. So first stop the engine with the stop button and after that switch off the start switch (using the key). Perhaps you will want to take this correct procedure into your Amel documentations. Thank you. -- Gerhard Mueller Amel Sharki #60 Currently Kalamata, Greece
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Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit
JLM, Sure it is possible for a person to correctly duplicate anything, but many fail. Look how Chinese parts appear to be exactly the same, but....you know the answer. Sometimes the variance in duplication is an error, sometimes it is purposefully done to lower costs. And, how do you make the propeller shaft wear bushing? What material and what hardness do you make it out of? As you know that all seals are not equal, some harder, some softer, some with stainless steel springs, others not. The reasons I suggest Amel as a source for these parts:
Best, CW Bill Rouse 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: start stop engine
Look at this photo I just uploaded: https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/photo/83780/0?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0 Best, CW Bill Rouse 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:38 AM Gerhard Mueller via Groups.Io <carcode=me.com@groups.io> wrote: Elja
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Re: Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose
Jose,
This sounds very typical of carbon buildup in the engine/exhaust. The carbon build up is a result of the generator not having enough load for long periods. Using the generator to just charge the batteries is not good for it. It needs to be run with a 70% load, so turn on other stuff like the AC and do some laundry. If not addressed this will cause issues with pistons, rings, injector and valves and can be very expensive to fix.
Remove the exhaust elbow and look inside. This will serve as your indication that the engine has excessive carbon build up, or not. Black soot is okay on the edges. But, if it appears to be caked on the sides and is impeding the flow of fumes, this is a problem. Clean or replace the elbow if needed. Hopefully this will solve your issue because this is where exhaust fumes are cooled. However, you should also look inside the exhaust manifold of the engine leading to the elbow. If you continue to find excessive carbon in this area you may have a bigger problem.
Hope this helps
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama www.creampuff.us
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Re: Black water comes from Onan 11 exhaust hose
Jose Alegria
Mark and Mike
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This happens in the first 15-30 minutes running, after this is almost imperceptible. The model is an Onan 11 Kw with 1200 hours serviced at 1000 hours at s amel 55#003 But the interesting is: come more black color from water colling hose than from fume hose!... Thanks
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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts
Orion,
I have 10 years of total expenses posted on our circumnavigation blog at www.svbebe.com. Click on the COSTS tab. --
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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts
Hi John are you staying at Brunswick landing Marina l miss the free beer! Cheers
Courtney
Trippin
54 #101
Grenada
-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark <john.biohead@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Group Moderators <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io> Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 10:45 am Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Maintenance costs for Amel yachts Hello Orion,
Welcome to the group. To go straight to your question; no, Amels are not more expensive than other yachts in a similar class. (I can speak authoritatively for Super Maramus and Santorins) Yes they are quirky....but in a functional way that you will appreciate. My experience with my SM, Annie, a 1990 model has been entirely positive. Yes some stuff breaks, but I don't think I have spent any real money on "broken" items. I did update the electronics, add a second autopilot and solar arch. Those cost a bit, but I consider them wants not needs. My insurance wanted the standing rig updated so I had it replaced after I purchased the vessel, cost would be the same for any vessel in the same class.
I probably could have done none of the above and still had a near perfect sailing yacht. My equipment failure list in the last three years and 13000 NM sailing is a bilge pump(Amel rebuild kit $100) SW impeller on main engine...failed and melted the muffler(most SMs have a SS muffler I had plastic) repair cost $34 + $300, genoa sail seam split at top of sail 2x, cost about $150 to repair each time, mainsail furler gears ($23 for gears $70 for machine shop to get the old gear out.), frig compressor, replaced with off the shelf bolt in upgrade($800). Generator SW impeller ($34) My boat came with set of spare sails so no down time. Most recently the genoa sheet car failed. Replacement cost is between $125(Ebay) and $450(Antal) for a replacement. Not too bad for three years and near constant sailing.
My Amel Journey:
I planned for my "big boat" purchase for several years before committing. I remember I had read about Amels at one point. The author thought they were innovative, but too complicated to be practical...so I didn't pursue them further. But I know now that God and Henri have mysterious ways. Years later on one particular afternoon I took a friend to the hospital for an outpatient procedure. I had a couple of hours to kill while waiting and went for a walk at the local marina. There I saw a strikingly beautiful boat. ...you know the saying "one look is all it took." I looked up the boat, she was an Amel 64...priced in the "double digits" at the time...you know price is 1.5M . No I could not afford that Amel, but it completely rearranged my view of the brand stuck in my head.
A year or two later I was zeroing in on buying an Irwin 68 when just like you I too discovered SV Delos on YouTube. Looking at Delos I thought wow that is one cool boat....didn't pick up on it being an Amel for a little while. I think it was some episode where Brian was recounting discovering Delos where I realized what Delos was.. Like me he said he was hooked at the first glance. I started researching the brand with more diligence and became really impressed. Just like you, I joined the Amel Owners Forum as it was called at the time, and was referred to a fellow named Joel Potter. He was the Amel dealer/broker for North America. I called him and we talked for over two hours. He did not have an Amel that met my price point but still gave me hours of advice and pointers on what to look for. He even gave me inside info on Amel's I was interested in...he is a resource and a really good guy to talk to.
The first Amel I saw in the flesh was in Virginia. I had already arranged to look at an SM in Portugal but my GF at the time thought I was crazy to think about flying to the EU and buying a boat I had never seen. We found a boat for sale in VA that was priced too high for me but was in brokerage and available to visit. We took a weekend and drove up to look at it. Needless to say the GF was blown away...me I was just saying yes...this is what I want. The boat was in OK condition but had a few issues. It wasn't the right one for me BUT it confirmed everything I thought I knew about Amels. That weekend we looked at Passports, Island Packets, Freedoms, a Manson, a Cabo, a couple of Hans Christians, and....yes a Beneteau. Nothing compared to that Amel. The very nice broker who gave us the boat show saw our feelings and admitted to us...once you see the Amel you are done.
So my advice: Like you, I somewhat superficially fixated on the Delos model, the SM2K. They were made from 1999 to 2005. Amel started making Super Maramus in 1989. I would not restrict myself to considering just the later years. I got a good deal on Annie...the previous owner's offered price made me take a look at her even though she was an older SM, and at the time not in my window of consideration. She was perfect. Now after a few years and hanging out with other SM owners most with newer models, I am actually happy that I bought Annie and not a newer SM. She retains more of the expedition yacht features than the later SMs and in my opinion has more character inside....wood floors, ceiling trim boards, older more robust furling mechanisms...and some cool sailing history.
That is another thing you get with an Amel. You are the custodian/care taker of the boat as much as you are the owner. I still maintain correspondence with the previous owners who sailed Annie for 16 years...and they maintain contact with the original owner. I email them from time to time with pictures of the boat and us frolicking. When I sail into Le Marin and talk to Alban at the Amel service center, he knows the boat and maintains a record of the entire history of the vessel. Every time I come back he asks me what I have done with the boat since we last met. Remember now this is a 30 year old vessel ...and he still maintains a file on her. The Amel community is very engaging and attentive.
Well my email is getting too long. In closing , yes you are making an excellent choice to consider Amel. The SM was made without significant changes for 16 years. It is a proven design and to date none have ever been lost at sea. Also, by now probably most have circumnavigated. Find that in any other brand. There are a ton of resources and people to support you should you buy an Amel. In addition to Joel Potter, I suggest you speak to Bill Rouse who runs this Group and also an Amel yacht centric consulting business. He is an invaluable resource now and when you are ready to purchase.
Regards, John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Brunswick GA
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:43 AM Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:
Hello everyone, I am new to the site and thank you to the moderators for letting me join this group.
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