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Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Bill,

 

Can I email you privately to arrange to meet up sometime? You can get me on paul <dot> dowd <a>t fgps <dot> com

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: 22 August 2019 17:43
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

 

Orion,

I have 10 years of total expenses posted on our circumnavigation blog at www.svbebe.com. Click on the COSTS tab.
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Best,

 

Bill Rouse
Yacht School  
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

We on Island Pearl II agree with every comment above.

Island Pearl II is our 7th cruising yacht over the past 15 years of sailing, and the best by far!. We have had some really nice (and far newer) boats before purchasing this 2001 model Amel Super Maramu 2000, but this boat, for a world circumnavigation, is far better than everything else you could ever imagine out there! Trust us on this one, as we are still out there now, (currently in Tonga, depart for Fiji on Sunday  - see live tracker below)  along with many other very nice expensive brands, however we would not trade our 2001 Amel for any of them, as we have had ABSOLUTELY ZERO issues, and I cannot think of a single boat that has sailed with us all the way around the world now, which has not had multiple major issues to date, especially when we all hit the Indian Ocean!

We complete our circumnavigation on her in  Brisbane, Australia on 1 November 2019, and will then sell to pursue other on-land interests for the next five years, (will be a very sad day for me in particular after 8 years in this wonderful Amel community!)  but can tell you that these boats are robust, almost over-engineered, and because of the incredible quality and robust engineering foresight that has gone into these boats, you can have extreme confidence in the total Amel System. 

Simply find a good well kept Amel, take advice from this group (including experts like Bill Rouse and Oliver) who you can reach via this site,  then learn to do all your maintenance yourself (learn from others on this site - never trust anyone to do anything on your boat without you personally there and looking over their shoulders and every detail if you need expert help!, and make sure you service everything meticulously (eg we service both genset and Yanmar 75HP every 80 - 120hrs when the manual calls for 200hrs). Ensure you put good fuel in at all times (we triple filter every drop of fuel, and have a good fuel polisher built in too), and do your mast, rig, sails, and all inspections meticulously before every ocean crossing. If you do this I can assure you your Amel will look after you instead of visa Versa! We have has 50+knots and 6m swells in whiteout conditions in the mid-Indian Ocean, and all felt totally safe out there where others did not, and some did not make it. The Amel 53 gave us total confidence and simply dealt with it all easily in her stride.

Best of luck, you have come across the safest sailing vessels out there in the ocean, and they sail really well too.

Colin Streeter
Tonga today, Fiji next week.



On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 5:40 PM ngtnewington Newington via Groups.Io <ngtnewington=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
My penny’s worth.
Amelia is my third sailboat but I also worked as a professional yacht captain for nearly 20 years on numerous vessels. 

I have to say that, in general, my Amel 54 is the best engineered of any boat that I have run or owned.
And therefore not excessively expensive to run.

As with all boats there are some compromises I do not like but they are minor.
It is fair to say that the more modern Amels have quite a lot of systems that need looking after and there are a lot of electric motors etc etc. The thing is, compared to just about any other sail boat the access is great. Generally the systems have been installed with a view that at some point they will need to be either serviced or replaced.

What you need to do is:
1. Learn to fix everything yourself
2. Make sure you have a really good tool kit
3. Learn to love fixing things, and learn to love and enjoy the whole engineering aspect of owning an Amel.

This group is a great resource and as a novice you can not do much better than get Bill onside to help you.

One more piece of advice. When you first buy your Amel do not just start chucking money at it (unless of course you buy a project) just get to know your boat and climb the learning curve....

Good luck
Nick
Amelia anchored Ionian
AML54-019

On 23 Aug 2019, at 06:09, Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:

Hi John,

Thank you and to the other participants in this topic for your time and insights. Your post with the story about how you came to know Amel yachts was a great read, this was exactly the kind of anecdote I was looking for that describes the discovery and eventual fondness for the SM of which I am currently experiencing. I agree with Mark Erdos that I have made an ill-informed assumption about maintenance costs for Amel yachts, hence why it was important to reach out to fellow Amel enthusiasts and ask them about their thoughts concerning this subject. As a consequence, I feel more excited about the prospect of purchasing a SM in the near future, and will take the good advice concerning having an experienced Amel surveyor check the boat when it comes time to purchase. Many thank to all once again.



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Mike;

In my experience, the reason why some riggers prefer to pull the mast is it makes it easier to make their measurements to make the new standing rigging and lift the masts with all rigging run and connected.

If you order from ACMO, it all comes perfectly made to proper length with all the correct connections and fittings. We replaced the 6 shrouds at the main mast in a little over 1 day. Off course having the right rigger helps. 

We flew Nicky from Malta and he managed to the work in less than ideal conditions with winds in the 15-25 knot range, at the marina.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Aug 23, 2019, at 2:47 AM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

ngtnewington Newington
 

My penny’s worth.
Amelia is my third sailboat but I also worked as a professional yacht captain for nearly 20 years on numerous vessels. 

I have to say that, in general, my Amel 54 is the best engineered of any boat that I have run or owned.
And therefore not excessively expensive to run.

As with all boats there are some compromises I do not like but they are minor.
It is fair to say that the more modern Amels have quite a lot of systems that need looking after and there are a lot of electric motors etc etc. The thing is, compared to just about any other sail boat the access is great. Generally the systems have been installed with a view that at some point they will need to be either serviced or replaced.

What you need to do is:
1. Learn to fix everything yourself
2. Make sure you have a really good tool kit
3. Learn to love fixing things, and learn to love and enjoy the whole engineering aspect of owning an Amel.

This group is a great resource and as a novice you can not do much better than get Bill onside to help you.

One more piece of advice. When you first buy your Amel do not just start chucking money at it (unless of course you buy a project) just get to know your boat and climb the learning curve....

Good luck
Nick
Amelia anchored Ionian
AML54-019

On 23 Aug 2019, at 06:09, Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:

Hi John,

Thank you and to the other participants in this topic for your time and insights. Your post with the story about how you came to know Amel yachts was a great read, this was exactly the kind of anecdote I was looking for that describes the discovery and eventual fondness for the SM of which I am currently experiencing. I agree with Mark Erdos that I have made an ill-informed assumption about maintenance costs for Amel yachts, hence why it was important to reach out to fellow Amel enthusiasts and ask them about their thoughts concerning this subject. As a consequence, I feel more excited about the prospect of purchasing a SM in the near future, and will take the good advice concerning having an experienced Amel surveyor check the boat when it comes time to purchase. Many thank to all once again.

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Orion Martin
 

Hi John,

Thank you and to the other participants in this topic for your time and insights. Your post with the story about how you came to know Amel yachts was a great read, this was exactly the kind of anecdote I was looking for that describes the discovery and eventual fondness for the SM of which I am currently experiencing. I agree with Mark Erdos that I have made an ill-informed assumption about maintenance costs for Amel yachts, hence why it was important to reach out to fellow Amel enthusiasts and ask them about their thoughts concerning this subject. As a consequence, I feel more excited about the prospect of purchasing a SM in the near future, and will take the good advice concerning having an experienced Amel surveyor check the boat when it comes time to purchase. Many thank to all once again.

Re: Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience

 

There is a single non-spliced cable from the battery switches for both positive and negative wires. There is a single start battery. 

It is not the wire, unless you have cut or damaged one and that is unlikely.

If the battery is good, don't you wonder why jumping the battery starts the engine? 

I would remove one battery from the house bank and replace the start battery. If the engine starts, maybe it's the start battery.

Also, you didn't mention the Onan. Does it start without the Yanmar running?  If it does, then it is probably not the start battery, but could be bad connections at the main switch, the switch itself, the battery, or at the starter. If the connections are suspected, clean them and treat with CorrosionX.

Get back to me after you have some answers. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 6:32 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Try starting.
Keep let turned for maybe 10 seconds.
Now carefully feel each battery cable termination. Better yet, if you have a no contact infra red thermometer, check each termination’s temperature, including connections at the battery and the starter. You’ll likely find one of them, maybe more, at a relatively high temperature. If so, you’ve found your culprit.
A fix might require cleaning a connection, or recrimping  a termination lug.
Good luck, and don’t burn yourself.....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 22, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Dominique Guenot <dominique_guenot@...> wrote:

Hello, 

My engine battery was not able to start the Yanmar this morning.
I jumped start the engine successfully using the House battery bank 
The engine battery is 2 month old and charged.

 A reputable electro-mechanic tested Volt and Amp during the start when you turn on the key with the engine battery:
- at battery level it is correct 
- at starter motor level there is a significant drop in Volt and Amp, (way more than expected when the starter kicks in) and cannot launch the starter motor. 
Therefore he recommends changing the cables which are "consuming Amp" and will eventually stop working.

I never thought that such big cables (35mm2) could degrade and/or stop working?
Is someone had similar problems? 
Any recommendation? 

Thanks
Dominique   
sv Viva 
SM #374
Papeete, French Polynesia 

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

seagasm
 

We re-rigged our vessel without pulling the masts out. It was done in the berth by riggers without any difficulty. It certainly avoided a haul out and/or a crane expense.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM#171

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Better yet, do what I did and have your wife go up the mast so you don't hurt yourself :-)
Cheers,
Craig & Katherine  SN68 Sangaris.

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Mike and Alan,

Delos did it all themselves sometimes back.

I am considering doing it myself with one younger more nimble guy in the bosun’s chair.

Good luck.

Jean-Pierre Germain,SY Eleuthera SM 007, Fiji


On 23 Aug 2019, at 12:47, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 

Re: Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience

Matt Salatino
 

Try starting.
Keep let turned for maybe 10 seconds.
Now carefully feel each battery cable termination. Better yet, if you have a no contact infra red thermometer, check each termination’s temperature, including connections at the battery and the starter. You’ll likely find one of them, maybe more, at a relatively high temperature. If so, you’ve found your culprit.
A fix might require cleaning a connection, or recrimping  a termination lug.
Good luck, and don’t burn yourself.....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 22, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Dominique Guenot <dominique_guenot@...> wrote:

Hello, 

My engine battery was not able to start the Yanmar this morning.
I jumped start the engine successfully using the House battery bank 
The engine battery is 2 month old and charged.

 A reputable electro-mechanic tested Volt and Amp during the start when you turn on the key with the engine battery:
- at battery level it is correct 
- at starter motor level there is a significant drop in Volt and Amp, (way more than expected when the starter kicks in) and cannot launch the starter motor. 
Therefore he recommends changing the cables which are "consuming Amp" and will eventually stop working.

I never thought that such big cables (35mm2) could degrade and/or stop working?
Is someone had similar problems? 
Any recommendation? 

Thanks
Dominique   
sv Viva 
SM #374
Papeete, French Polynesia 

Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience

Dominique Guenot
 

Hello, 

My engine battery was not able to start the Yanmar this morning.
I jumped start the engine successfully using the House battery bank 
The engine battery is 2 month old and charged.

 A reputable electro-mechanic tested Volt and Amp during the start when you turn on the key with the engine battery:
- at battery level it is correct 
- at starter motor level there is a significant drop in Volt and Amp, (way more than expected when the starter kicks in) and cannot launch the starter motor. 
Therefore he recommends changing the cables which are "consuming Amp" and will eventually stop working.

I never thought that such big cables (35mm2) could degrade and/or stop working?
Is someone had similar problems? 
Any recommendation? 

Thanks
Dominique   
sv Viva 
SM #374
Papeete, French Polynesia 

Re: start stop engine

karkauai
 

To make it clearer, Amel uses a “floating”, or “isolated” ground system that disconnects battery negative from the bonding (zincs) system. It makes a connection to the engine block only when the starter, stop solenoid, or glow plugs are energized.  A solenoid in the line between battery negative and the engine block is energized to complete the circuit.  There are three diodes in the circuit that prevent a feedback loop which would energize the stop and start solenoids at the same time.  If the stop diode failed, the button wouldn’t work.  If the start diode shorted, you would hear the starter motor when you pushed the stop button.
If the stop diode shorted the engine wouldn’t start because the stop solenoid would be energized when you keyed the engine to start.

Craig, Bill, Danny, etc, if I don’t have this quite right, please correct me, .
Kent
SM243
Kristy

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Thomas Kleman
 

Orion- I'd second these comments but also point out that your maintenance costs depend largely on picking a good Amel and how quickly you climb the learning curve where you can do most of the work yourself....as with any boat.

First, finding a good Amel....shame on you if you fumble this aspect. Between Joel, Olivier, Bill, and some others you have ample resources to locate and evaluate a boat. Use them.

Regarding the learning curve, most of us on this site are not naval architects or engineers by trade. We use the Amel community and resources to solicit advice and resolve problems. One could infer by reading the site that Amels are high maintenance boats but you're looking at the oasis inferring all animals are thirsty. We use the site when the rare issue arises where input would be helpful.

So in my opinion your question has no definitive answer but only a more subjective one. You've probably noticed Amel owners love their boats in a way I haven't noticed among other marques and yes, in buying one you are joining a community (or cult depending your outlook).

Tom and Kirstin
SM2K 422 SV L'ORIENT
Colon, Panama

Re: start stop engine

 

Gerhard, thanks for that. There was a lot more information I sent him off-group.

Eric, Thank you very much for the diode reminder...I sent him your detailed posting  along with your photos that you previously posted on this problem.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:56 PM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
You beat me to it, Eric.  That was the first thing that came to mind, too, unless the engine is new to him and he doesn’t know to push the stop button before turning off the key as Gerhart suggested.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:59 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

There are two diodes in the circuit before the solenoid with the black rubber top.

They are connected to one of the small wires on the solenoid.

These diodes prevent the engine from starting and stopping at the same time.

If there is a short in the diode the engine will try to start and stop at the same time.

The diodes are made by Motorola and are not immediately visible as they are covered by black heat shrink tubing.

They are a few inches from the big solenoid.

One of the wires goes to the starter switch and the other goes to the stop solenoid in the injector pump.

The first thing I would do is to check the diodes.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sebti Lamya
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] start stop engine

 

I am unable to stop the engine with the switch button in the cockpit
I have to use the manual stop button (red one ) inside the engine.
Despite having changed the relay (solenoid ??) and the switch button on the helm, no technician have been able to find the solution. It seems that the small relay that control the big relay that connects the minus is taking two contradictory messages : to start and to stop.

Do you have any idea or recommendation.

Thanks in advance.

Re: start stop engine

karkauai
 

You beat me to it, Eric.  That was the first thing that came to mind, too, unless the engine is new to him and he doesn’t know to push the stop button before turning off the key as Gerhart suggested.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:59 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

There are two diodes in the circuit before the solenoid with the black rubber top.

They are connected to one of the small wires on the solenoid.

These diodes prevent the engine from starting and stopping at the same time.

If there is a short in the diode the engine will try to start and stop at the same time.

The diodes are made by Motorola and are not immediately visible as they are covered by black heat shrink tubing.

They are a few inches from the big solenoid.

One of the wires goes to the starter switch and the other goes to the stop solenoid in the injector pump.

The first thing I would do is to check the diodes.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sebti Lamya
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] start stop engine

 

I am unable to stop the engine with the switch button in the cockpit
I have to use the manual stop button (red one ) inside the engine.
Despite having changed the relay (solenoid ??) and the switch button on the helm, no technician have been able to find the solution. It seems that the small relay that control the big relay that connects the minus is taking two contradictory messages : to start and to stop.

Do you have any idea or recommendation.

Thanks in advance.

Mainsail manual furler lip seal size?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Hi all,

I'm rebuilding my mainsail manual furling gearbox and found Pat's info from SM123 very helpful. All the bearings and seals were listed except for the lip seal for the winch handle socket.

The seal has degraded to the point that I can't read the specs on it anymore. Does anyone have the specs on this seal? It's amazing how fast it degrades due to UV, so I'll use Bill Rouse's beer koozie trick once I replace it.

See attached photo for the seal I'm referencing. I think it's the same seal as on the SM.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: start stop engine

eric freedman
 

There are two diodes in the circuit before the solenoid with the black rubber top.

They are connected to one of the small wires on the solenoid.

These diodes prevent the engine from starting and stopping at the same time.

If there is a short in the diode the engine will try to start and stop at the same time.

The diodes are made by Motorola and are not immediately visible as they are covered by black heat shrink tubing.

They are a few inches from the big solenoid.

One of the wires goes to the starter switch and the other goes to the stop solenoid in the injector pump.

The first thing I would do is to check the diodes.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sebti Lamya
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] start stop engine

 

I am unable to stop the engine with the switch button in the cockpit
I have to use the manual stop button (red one ) inside the engine.
Despite having changed the relay (solenoid ??) and the switch button on the helm, no technician have been able to find the solution. It seems that the small relay that control the big relay that connects the minus is taking two contradictory messages : to start and to stop.

Do you have any idea or recommendation.

Thanks in advance.

AMEL HAS AN OFFICE IN HUNTINGTON NY

eric freedman
 

I went by the office as I heard there was a 50 in the harbor across from my boat.

The 50 was returned to the main office and is now back in Huntington.

I am going to take a look at it Saturday. If anyone is nearby and would like to see it  is here.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Thank you Bill for your statement ! 

It's all right and if Amel hits 30%, it's more than fair. 

For this you always get the right part sometimes in Europe in 24 hours, you don't have to search and you have the pleasure to phone with Moude! 

i love it 


Best Elja SM 222


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