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Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Mike;

In my experience, the reason why some riggers prefer to pull the mast is it makes it easier to make their measurements to make the new standing rigging and lift the masts with all rigging run and connected.

If you order from ACMO, it all comes perfectly made to proper length with all the correct connections and fittings. We replaced the 6 shrouds at the main mast in a little over 1 day. Off course having the right rigger helps. 

We flew Nicky from Malta and he managed to the work in less than ideal conditions with winds in the 15-25 knot range, at the marina.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Aug 23, 2019, at 2:47 AM, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

ngtnewington Newington
 

My penny’s worth.
Amelia is my third sailboat but I also worked as a professional yacht captain for nearly 20 years on numerous vessels. 

I have to say that, in general, my Amel 54 is the best engineered of any boat that I have run or owned.
And therefore not excessively expensive to run.

As with all boats there are some compromises I do not like but they are minor.
It is fair to say that the more modern Amels have quite a lot of systems that need looking after and there are a lot of electric motors etc etc. The thing is, compared to just about any other sail boat the access is great. Generally the systems have been installed with a view that at some point they will need to be either serviced or replaced.

What you need to do is:
1. Learn to fix everything yourself
2. Make sure you have a really good tool kit
3. Learn to love fixing things, and learn to love and enjoy the whole engineering aspect of owning an Amel.

This group is a great resource and as a novice you can not do much better than get Bill onside to help you.

One more piece of advice. When you first buy your Amel do not just start chucking money at it (unless of course you buy a project) just get to know your boat and climb the learning curve....

Good luck
Nick
Amelia anchored Ionian
AML54-019

On 23 Aug 2019, at 06:09, Orion Martin <poonz1@...> wrote:

Hi John,

Thank you and to the other participants in this topic for your time and insights. Your post with the story about how you came to know Amel yachts was a great read, this was exactly the kind of anecdote I was looking for that describes the discovery and eventual fondness for the SM of which I am currently experiencing. I agree with Mark Erdos that I have made an ill-informed assumption about maintenance costs for Amel yachts, hence why it was important to reach out to fellow Amel enthusiasts and ask them about their thoughts concerning this subject. As a consequence, I feel more excited about the prospect of purchasing a SM in the near future, and will take the good advice concerning having an experienced Amel surveyor check the boat when it comes time to purchase. Many thank to all once again.

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Orion Martin
 

Hi John,

Thank you and to the other participants in this topic for your time and insights. Your post with the story about how you came to know Amel yachts was a great read, this was exactly the kind of anecdote I was looking for that describes the discovery and eventual fondness for the SM of which I am currently experiencing. I agree with Mark Erdos that I have made an ill-informed assumption about maintenance costs for Amel yachts, hence why it was important to reach out to fellow Amel enthusiasts and ask them about their thoughts concerning this subject. As a consequence, I feel more excited about the prospect of purchasing a SM in the near future, and will take the good advice concerning having an experienced Amel surveyor check the boat when it comes time to purchase. Many thank to all once again.

Re: Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience

 

There is a single non-spliced cable from the battery switches for both positive and negative wires. There is a single start battery. 

It is not the wire, unless you have cut or damaged one and that is unlikely.

If the battery is good, don't you wonder why jumping the battery starts the engine? 

I would remove one battery from the house bank and replace the start battery. If the engine starts, maybe it's the start battery.

Also, you didn't mention the Onan. Does it start without the Yanmar running?  If it does, then it is probably not the start battery, but could be bad connections at the main switch, the switch itself, the battery, or at the starter. If the connections are suspected, clean them and treat with CorrosionX.

Get back to me after you have some answers. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 6:32 PM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Try starting.
Keep let turned for maybe 10 seconds.
Now carefully feel each battery cable termination. Better yet, if you have a no contact infra red thermometer, check each termination’s temperature, including connections at the battery and the starter. You’ll likely find one of them, maybe more, at a relatively high temperature. If so, you’ve found your culprit.
A fix might require cleaning a connection, or recrimping  a termination lug.
Good luck, and don’t burn yourself.....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 22, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Dominique Guenot <dominique_guenot@...> wrote:

Hello, 

My engine battery was not able to start the Yanmar this morning.
I jumped start the engine successfully using the House battery bank 
The engine battery is 2 month old and charged.

 A reputable electro-mechanic tested Volt and Amp during the start when you turn on the key with the engine battery:
- at battery level it is correct 
- at starter motor level there is a significant drop in Volt and Amp, (way more than expected when the starter kicks in) and cannot launch the starter motor. 
Therefore he recommends changing the cables which are "consuming Amp" and will eventually stop working.

I never thought that such big cables (35mm2) could degrade and/or stop working?
Is someone had similar problems? 
Any recommendation? 

Thanks
Dominique   
sv Viva 
SM #374
Papeete, French Polynesia 

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

seagasm
 

We re-rigged our vessel without pulling the masts out. It was done in the berth by riggers without any difficulty. It certainly avoided a haul out and/or a crane expense.

Best Regards
Barry & Robyn
Tradewinds III SM#171

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Better yet, do what I did and have your wife go up the mast so you don't hurt yourself :-)
Cheers,
Craig & Katherine  SN68 Sangaris.

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Mike and Alan,

Delos did it all themselves sometimes back.

I am considering doing it myself with one younger more nimble guy in the bosun’s chair.

Good luck.

Jean-Pierre Germain,SY Eleuthera SM 007, Fiji


On 23 Aug 2019, at 12:47, Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...> wrote:

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 

Re: Pulling the mast to rerig

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 

Re: Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience

Matt Salatino
 

Try starting.
Keep let turned for maybe 10 seconds.
Now carefully feel each battery cable termination. Better yet, if you have a no contact infra red thermometer, check each termination’s temperature, including connections at the battery and the starter. You’ll likely find one of them, maybe more, at a relatively high temperature. If so, you’ve found your culprit.
A fix might require cleaning a connection, or recrimping  a termination lug.
Good luck, and don’t burn yourself.....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 22, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Dominique Guenot <dominique_guenot@...> wrote:

Hello, 

My engine battery was not able to start the Yanmar this morning.
I jumped start the engine successfully using the House battery bank 
The engine battery is 2 month old and charged.

 A reputable electro-mechanic tested Volt and Amp during the start when you turn on the key with the engine battery:
- at battery level it is correct 
- at starter motor level there is a significant drop in Volt and Amp, (way more than expected when the starter kicks in) and cannot launch the starter motor. 
Therefore he recommends changing the cables which are "consuming Amp" and will eventually stop working.

I never thought that such big cables (35mm2) could degrade and/or stop working?
Is someone had similar problems? 
Any recommendation? 

Thanks
Dominique   
sv Viva 
SM #374
Papeete, French Polynesia 

Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience

Dominique Guenot
 

Hello, 

My engine battery was not able to start the Yanmar this morning.
I jumped start the engine successfully using the House battery bank 
The engine battery is 2 month old and charged.

 A reputable electro-mechanic tested Volt and Amp during the start when you turn on the key with the engine battery:
- at battery level it is correct 
- at starter motor level there is a significant drop in Volt and Amp, (way more than expected when the starter kicks in) and cannot launch the starter motor. 
Therefore he recommends changing the cables which are "consuming Amp" and will eventually stop working.

I never thought that such big cables (35mm2) could degrade and/or stop working?
Is someone had similar problems? 
Any recommendation? 

Thanks
Dominique   
sv Viva 
SM #374
Papeete, French Polynesia 

Re: start stop engine

karkauai
 

To make it clearer, Amel uses a “floating”, or “isolated” ground system that disconnects battery negative from the bonding (zincs) system. It makes a connection to the engine block only when the starter, stop solenoid, or glow plugs are energized.  A solenoid in the line between battery negative and the engine block is energized to complete the circuit.  There are three diodes in the circuit that prevent a feedback loop which would energize the stop and start solenoids at the same time.  If the stop diode failed, the button wouldn’t work.  If the start diode shorted, you would hear the starter motor when you pushed the stop button.
If the stop diode shorted the engine wouldn’t start because the stop solenoid would be energized when you keyed the engine to start.

Craig, Bill, Danny, etc, if I don’t have this quite right, please correct me, .
Kent
SM243
Kristy

Re: Maintenance costs for Amel yachts

Thomas Kleman
 

Orion- I'd second these comments but also point out that your maintenance costs depend largely on picking a good Amel and how quickly you climb the learning curve where you can do most of the work yourself....as with any boat.

First, finding a good Amel....shame on you if you fumble this aspect. Between Joel, Olivier, Bill, and some others you have ample resources to locate and evaluate a boat. Use them.

Regarding the learning curve, most of us on this site are not naval architects or engineers by trade. We use the Amel community and resources to solicit advice and resolve problems. One could infer by reading the site that Amels are high maintenance boats but you're looking at the oasis inferring all animals are thirsty. We use the site when the rare issue arises where input would be helpful.

So in my opinion your question has no definitive answer but only a more subjective one. You've probably noticed Amel owners love their boats in a way I haven't noticed among other marques and yes, in buying one you are joining a community (or cult depending your outlook).

Tom and Kirstin
SM2K 422 SV L'ORIENT
Colon, Panama

Re: start stop engine

 

Gerhard, thanks for that. There was a lot more information I sent him off-group.

Eric, Thank you very much for the diode reminder...I sent him your detailed posting  along with your photos that you previously posted on this problem.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:56 PM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
You beat me to it, Eric.  That was the first thing that came to mind, too, unless the engine is new to him and he doesn’t know to push the stop button before turning off the key as Gerhart suggested.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:59 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

There are two diodes in the circuit before the solenoid with the black rubber top.

They are connected to one of the small wires on the solenoid.

These diodes prevent the engine from starting and stopping at the same time.

If there is a short in the diode the engine will try to start and stop at the same time.

The diodes are made by Motorola and are not immediately visible as they are covered by black heat shrink tubing.

They are a few inches from the big solenoid.

One of the wires goes to the starter switch and the other goes to the stop solenoid in the injector pump.

The first thing I would do is to check the diodes.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sebti Lamya
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] start stop engine

 

I am unable to stop the engine with the switch button in the cockpit
I have to use the manual stop button (red one ) inside the engine.
Despite having changed the relay (solenoid ??) and the switch button on the helm, no technician have been able to find the solution. It seems that the small relay that control the big relay that connects the minus is taking two contradictory messages : to start and to stop.

Do you have any idea or recommendation.

Thanks in advance.

Re: start stop engine

karkauai
 

You beat me to it, Eric.  That was the first thing that came to mind, too, unless the engine is new to him and he doesn’t know to push the stop button before turning off the key as Gerhart suggested.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:59 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

There are two diodes in the circuit before the solenoid with the black rubber top.

They are connected to one of the small wires on the solenoid.

These diodes prevent the engine from starting and stopping at the same time.

If there is a short in the diode the engine will try to start and stop at the same time.

The diodes are made by Motorola and are not immediately visible as they are covered by black heat shrink tubing.

They are a few inches from the big solenoid.

One of the wires goes to the starter switch and the other goes to the stop solenoid in the injector pump.

The first thing I would do is to check the diodes.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sebti Lamya
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] start stop engine

 

I am unable to stop the engine with the switch button in the cockpit
I have to use the manual stop button (red one ) inside the engine.
Despite having changed the relay (solenoid ??) and the switch button on the helm, no technician have been able to find the solution. It seems that the small relay that control the big relay that connects the minus is taking two contradictory messages : to start and to stop.

Do you have any idea or recommendation.

Thanks in advance.

Mainsail manual furler lip seal size?

Scott SV Tengah
 

Hi all,

I'm rebuilding my mainsail manual furling gearbox and found Pat's info from SM123 very helpful. All the bearings and seals were listed except for the lip seal for the winch handle socket.

The seal has degraded to the point that I can't read the specs on it anymore. Does anyone have the specs on this seal? It's amazing how fast it degrades due to UV, so I'll use Bill Rouse's beer koozie trick once I replace it.

See attached photo for the seal I'm referencing. I think it's the same seal as on the SM.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com

Re: start stop engine

eric freedman
 

There are two diodes in the circuit before the solenoid with the black rubber top.

They are connected to one of the small wires on the solenoid.

These diodes prevent the engine from starting and stopping at the same time.

If there is a short in the diode the engine will try to start and stop at the same time.

The diodes are made by Motorola and are not immediately visible as they are covered by black heat shrink tubing.

They are a few inches from the big solenoid.

One of the wires goes to the starter switch and the other goes to the stop solenoid in the injector pump.

The first thing I would do is to check the diodes.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sebti Lamya
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] start stop engine

 

I am unable to stop the engine with the switch button in the cockpit
I have to use the manual stop button (red one ) inside the engine.
Despite having changed the relay (solenoid ??) and the switch button on the helm, no technician have been able to find the solution. It seems that the small relay that control the big relay that connects the minus is taking two contradictory messages : to start and to stop.

Do you have any idea or recommendation.

Thanks in advance.

AMEL HAS AN OFFICE IN HUNTINGTON NY

eric freedman
 

I went by the office as I heard there was a 50 in the harbor across from my boat.

The 50 was returned to the main office and is now back in Huntington.

I am going to take a look at it Saturday. If anyone is nearby and would like to see it  is here.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Thank you Bill for your statement ! 

It's all right and if Amel hits 30%, it's more than fair. 

For this you always get the right part sometimes in Europe in 24 hours, you don't have to search and you have the pleasure to phone with Moude! 

i love it 


Best Elja SM 222


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Re: start stop engine

Gerhard Mueller
 

Bill
Perhaps you misunderstand. He is already stopping the engine by hand with the level at the injection pump.
But he wants to stop the engine with the stop button at the engine panel using the stop solenoid as normal.
Regarding the wire diagrams it might be he has first switched off the start switch and after that the stop button has no current anymore.
So first stop the engine with the stop button and after that switch off the start switch (using the key).
Perhaps you will want to take this correct procedure into your Amel documentations.
Thank you.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece

Re: Amel Cdrive seal kit

 

JLM,

Sure it is possible for a person to correctly duplicate anything, but many fail. Look how Chinese parts appear to be exactly the same, but....you know the answer. Sometimes the variance in duplication is an error, sometimes it is purposefully done to lower costs.

And, how do you make the propeller shaft wear bushing? What material and what hardness do you make it out of?

As you know that all seals are not equal, some harder, some softer, some with stainless steel springs, others not.

The reasons I suggest Amel as a source for these parts:
  1. We all want Amel to continue supplying us with parts, especially those impossible to source. Amel makes a 30% markup...fine, it is worth it. As we all know Amel routinely supplies parts for Amels that are over 20 years old and recently they supplied someone parts for a 30-year old Amel. I love this...don't you?
  2. There have been a number of European made knock-off parts like SM & 54 wear bushings, SM bow thruster nylon hubs and propellers, etc. I have seen a lot of these knock-offs, all after failure. For instance someone in Europe had a machine shop turn the bow thruster propeller hubs from Nylon...Amel uses Delrin. If you do not know the difference, research it. They look the same. There are lots more examples that I will not bore you with.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 6:41 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

Bill,

For your information the kit is very very  easy to make by your self, for only some dollars ...

I buy the seals for over 10 years at 123roulements with prices and delivering time that I found very pleasant ...

Bill, "tout est possible dans un monde infini...." (all is possible in an infinite world ....)

Fair Wind


Le 21/08/2019 à 16:59, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Jean Luc,

The Amel 55 C-Drive Propeller Shaft Wear Bushing and Seal Kit. I am 100% positive that you can get this only at Amel.
image.png
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 8:46 AM jlm@... <jlm@...> wrote:

Bill,

About what for C-drive seals you are speeking ?

Jean Luc


Le 21/08/2019 à 15:11, CW Bill Rouse a écrit :
Paul,

I think that  www.123roulement.com is a good company, but I am 99% sure that they will NOT have the Amel-made wear bushing. They may have seals that fit, but to ensure you are getting the best seal for the job, don't try to save a few euros.

My advice is to purchase the wear bushing and seals from Amel only. The 55 has a larger output shaft and thus larger wear bushing and seals than the SM & 54. The procedure is also different. Email sav"at"amel.fr. Ask for the complete kit and also ask for instructions. The last time someone asked for instructions, Amel sent them instructions for SM & 54. Hopefully that has changed.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:53 AM Paul Brown <feeder.brown@...> wrote:
hello all, I’m inquiring please  for assistance to where I can purchase the Cdrive seal kit and at what estimated price? Can this only be purchased through Amel or is it a standard product from a distributor or manufacturer?

thank you for your time 

regards paul - Fortuna II 55#17

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