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Re: Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience

eric freedman
 

Hi Dominique,

I would first check that the battery connector at the starter motor is clean.

I would also check The Valeo solenoid to see if it has clean connections both the battery cable and the small wire that goes to the engine block.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dominique Guenot
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:25 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience

 

Hello, 

My engine battery was not able to start the Yanmar this morning.
I jumped start the engine successfully using the House battery bank 
The engine battery is 2 month old and charged.

 A reputable electro-mechanic tested Volt and Amp during the start when you turn on the key with the engine battery:
- at battery level it is correct 
- at starter motor level there is a significant drop in Volt and Amp, (way more than expected when the starter kicks in) and cannot launch the starter motor. 
Therefore he recommends changing the cables which are "consuming Amp" and will eventually stop working.

I never thought that such big cables (35mm2) could degrade and/or stop working?
Is someone had similar problems? 
Any recommendation? 

Thanks
Dominique   
sv Viva 
SM #374
Papeete, French Polynesia 


Re: start stop engine

eric freedman
 

Hi Kent,

My engine has 2 diodes.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:24 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] start stop engine

 

To make it clearer, Amel uses a “floating”, or “isolated” ground system that disconnects battery negative from the bonding (zincs) system. It makes a connection to the engine block only when the starter, stop solenoid, or glow plugs are energized.  A solenoid in the line between battery negative and the engine block is energized to complete the circuit.  There are three diodes in the circuit that prevent a feedback loop which would energize the stop and start solenoids at the same time.  If the stop diode failed, the button wouldn’t work.  If the start diode shorted, you would hear the starter motor when you pushed the stop button.
If the stop diode shorted the engine wouldn’t start because the stop solenoid would be energized when you keyed the engine to start.

Craig, Bill, Danny, etc, if I don’t have this quite right, please correct me, .
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Matt Salatino
 

Wow!
I’ve had, maybe 3 connections, over the years, that I was investigating due to poor performance fridge, pump, light), where the termination was hot enough to ignite the surroundings. Fortunately, I caught them in time, cleaned, and treated.....yes, terminations require maintenance....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 26, 2019, at 3:41 AM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Spot on, Matt.  We had one actually ignite into flames - only time I ever had to use a fire extinguisher - scary. Corrosion-X etc on the shore power prongs wouldn't hurt either - that's where the heat built up in ours.
Craig


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Eamonn Washington
 

Hi

I am happy Tom found the problem before it became a big one. 

I added a 32A galvanic isolator in the aft lazarette, so the setup is complete.  It is very handy having the rotary selection switch (Genset, Off, Shore) in the galley beside the Genset start switch.

While I was looking for a solution I ordered the original contactor, second hand but looks OK and is vacuum packed.  I don’t need it.  If anyone wants it (free) they can have it, ideally by anchoring in the same bay but I could post it.

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Alghero, Sardinia, Italy.


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Craig Briggs
 

Spot on, Matt.  We had one actually ignite into flames - only time I ever had to use a fire extinguisher - scary. Corrosion-X etc on the shore power prongs wouldn't hurt either - that's where the heat built up in ours.
Craig


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Matt Salatino
 

Clearly high resistance in that terminal block. Unfortunately, this isn’t so uncommon.
In our 32 years of boat ownership, we found that electrical terminations are just another item to be maintained.
May I suggest, when replacing this terminal block, use a nonconducting, oxidation-preventing gel to eliminate oxygen exposure to the wire ends. There are several brands... Corrosion-X, I-nox, etc.....


~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 25, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:

Once again, the value of this group astounds me. Because of this thread, I checked the contactor box in the cockpit lazarette. The terminal block connecting three wires was close to failing and/or starting a small fire. Not sure why. But replacement of this lets me sleep much more easily. The rest of the gear in the box looked ok, but tough to say how the inside of the main switch is. 
Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240
Chesapeake Bay US


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Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Thomas Peacock
 

Once again, the value of this group astounds me. Because of this thread, I checked the contactor box in the cockpit lazarette. The terminal block connecting three wires was close to failing and/or starting a small fire. Not sure why. But replacement of this lets me sleep much more easily. The rest of the gear in the box looked ok, but tough to say how the inside of the main switch is. 
Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240
Chesapeake Bay US



Re: Insurance in Europe

Joerg Esdorn
 

I’ve had insurance through Pantaenius US since my boat was new.  Excellent experience and excellent pricing at a little more than .5% of insured value this year.  Coverage was all of the Med, Western Black Sea and Western Europe up to Bergen and 200 miles offshore.  When I asked them to waive the exclusion for Tunesia this year, they did within a couple of days.  They added Canaries and Madeira without increasing the premium.  Im dealing with them through a very experienced insurance broker who is a sailor.  That may be one reason for the good experience....

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem #53


Re: Insurance in Europe

Matt Salatino
 

Thanks. 
1st definitive positive feedback I’ve heard about Pantaenius USA. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 25, 2019, at 7:22 AM, Miles <milesbid@...> wrote:

I have also had good experiences with Pantaenius, both Pantaenius US and Pantaenius Europe.  I had Pantaenius Europe from 2000 to 2008.  At that time they would cover me for anywhere in the world except in US waters.  Their rates were much lower than any US company and they had a very good reputation.  I was surprised to hear that they would not insure you.  Did they say why?  Of course my experience with them was 10 years ago.  I currently have Pantaenius USA and I have also had good experiences with them, including a large claim from a hit and run collision while I was on my mooring.

 

Regards and good luck with your insurance,

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm216 on mooring Newport, RI


Re: Insurance in Europe

Matt Salatino
 

Pantaenius UK referred us to USA when they saw we were US flagged. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 25, 2019, at 7:22 AM, Miles <milesbid@...> wrote:

I have also had good experiences with Pantaenius, both Pantaenius US and Pantaenius Europe.  I had Pantaenius Europe from 2000 to 2008.  At that time they would cover me for anywhere in the world except in US waters.  Their rates were much lower than any US company and they had a very good reputation.  I was surprised to hear that they would not insure you.  Did they say why?  Of course my experience with them was 10 years ago.  I currently have Pantaenius USA and I have also had good experiences with them, including a large claim from a hit and run collision while I was on my mooring.

 

Regards and good luck with your insurance,

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm216 on mooring Newport, RI


Re: Insurance in Europe

Miles
 

I have also had good experiences with Pantaenius, both Pantaenius US and Pantaenius Europe.  I had Pantaenius Europe from 2000 to 2008.  At that time they would cover me for anywhere in the world except in US waters.  Their rates were much lower than any US company and they had a very good reputation.  I was surprised to hear that they would not insure you.  Did they say why?  Of course my experience with them was 10 years ago.  I currently have Pantaenius USA and I have also had good experiences with them, including a large claim from a hit and run collision while I was on my mooring.

 

Regards and good luck with your insurance,

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm216 on mooring Newport, RI


Re: Insurance in Europe

Matt Salatino
 

Craig,
We vemently agree! :-)

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 25, 2019, at 5:20 AM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Hi Matt,
   Agree 100% with your statement that censorship does a disservice to us all and carefully filtered info is not helpful. I think opinions though, be they positive or negative, are much more helpful if they are supported by some facts. So the point I was making was simply that being "warned to avoid" with no facts supporting that opinion didn't seem helpful in making an informed decision - it's kind of like somebody's experience with no information attached. Then again, the venerable Consumer Reports organization gives "Customer Satisfaction" ratings in addition to their factual test-based ratings. However, those are not single data points as are prevalent in forums like this.
   Btw, I forgot to mention in my earlier post that there's an excellent recorded Webinar on buying insurance put on by SSCA that's available on their web site. It was initially developed by Al Golden of IMIS.  Interestingly, Al put me off of Pantaenius many years ago with some fact-based opinion - at the time, the Pantaenius product was a "Named Perils" type of policy (only covering their list of perils, albeit quite comprehensive). His Jackline policy through Markel was an "All-risk" policy that covered any type of loss unless specifically excluded. Being a Broker, he did offer to sell me the Pantaenius policy if I really wanted it - I stuck with Jackline.  Pantaenius switched to "All-risk" a couple of years later and I went there for the savings, so there's another twist available to you; stick with a Broker like IMIS who has a great reputation for service but get the product of the insurer you want. Then again, I've had excellent response from Pantaenius USA (albeit no claims).
  Happy shopping,  Craig


Re: Insurance in Europe

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Matt,
   Agree 100% with your statement that censorship does a disservice to us all and carefully filtered info is not helpful. I think opinions though, be they positive or negative, are much more helpful if they are supported by some facts. So the point I was making was simply that being "warned to avoid" with no facts supporting that opinion didn't seem helpful in making an informed decision - it's kind of like somebody's experience with no information attached. Then again, the venerable Consumer Reports organization gives "Customer Satisfaction" ratings in addition to their factual test-based ratings. However, those are not single data points as are prevalent in forums like this.
   Btw, I forgot to mention in my earlier post that there's an excellent recorded Webinar on buying insurance put on by SSCA that's available on their web site. It was initially developed by Al Golden of IMIS.  Interestingly, Al put me off of Pantaenius many years ago with some fact-based opinion - at the time, the Pantaenius product was a "Named Perils" type of policy (only covering their list of perils, albeit quite comprehensive). His Jackline policy through Markel was an "All-risk" policy that covered any type of loss unless specifically excluded. Being a Broker, he did offer to sell me the Pantaenius policy if I really wanted it - I stuck with Jackline.  Pantaenius switched to "All-risk" a couple of years later and I went there for the savings, so there's another twist available to you; stick with a Broker like IMIS who has a great reputation for service but get the product of the insurer you want. Then again, I've had excellent response from Pantaenius USA (albeit no claims).
  Happy shopping,  Craig


Re: Heading S from the Chesapeake

Alan Grayson
 

It’s a lot easier to head to Bermuda then south than to bash into it from the Bahamas
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:18:21 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heading S from the Chesapeake
 
Definitely!  Are you having work done in Trinidad?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Aug 23, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...> wrote:

Hope to see you all as Kim and I make our way North from Trinidad in November. It's been a bit since St. Michaels. Tune into the Coconut Telegraph when you get settled in and we will connect from there. 
All the best 
Chuck and Kim 
Joy 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 6:00 PM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ah, too bad.  Now you’ve got us thinking of going to Bermuda again.  Iris hasn’t been since she was a kid.   Hmmm, we may get back to you in this.
K&I

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Aug 23, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

Hi Kent, I will be heading to Bermuda first so that cuts me out sorry.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 5:25:32 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Heading S from the Chesapeake
 
Alan/Mark,
We are also heading S in Nov, first to St Augustine, then meeting friends in Bahamas for a few weeks, then working our way down to Martinique.  Are you going outside straight to Martinique?  If staying W of the Stream we might head out with you.

Kent & Iris
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Aug 23, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

I had a bit of corrosion at the mast base but not bad. I replaced the pads from Maud, expensive little suckers, $280 for the pair. I don’t think I really needed to do that as there is not really anyway for the water to get between the mast base and the pad. Those drain holes you see are the top side of a plate welded into the base of the mast so that there is no way for water to go anywhere else but out those holes..
I will be leaving as soon as the rugby World Cup is over which I think the final is Nov 2nd so absolutely let’s keep in touch, probably head down in company.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:21:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig
 

Thanks Alan.

Sounds like pulling the mast was a good solution for you and glad to hear it went well.

We are primarily focused on replacing the 20 year old standing rigging, but several “experts” have recommended pulling the mast to check the base. I wonder if that is more of a concern with a keel stepped mast as the base has greater potential for sitting in sea water and is not as readily observed on a regular basis. Did you find any issues at the base/deck interface? Is there a pad there that needed replacement? And as you said, repairs up and down the mast are certainly easier when it is horizontal and bench height.

I was able to locate Olivier’s instructions on the old Yahoo BB and attached them here for reference within the current bulletin board.

We also will depart the Chesapeake, on or around November 3, bound for Martinique. Let’s stay in touch.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 7:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hi Mike, yes we have just finished with the rerig. We pulled the masts which for us was the best way for us to go. We have only had the boat less than a year so we had no idea what condition all the parts were in, jib furler, gearboxes, motors etc so having the masts down allowed us to pull everything off in a much easier way. We were also able to remove old wires from each mast and renew, changed out the steaming light, paint touch up corroded areas, servicing the manual furler gearboxes mizzen and main were accomplished much easier. I felt there was no time pressure if something went wrong.
I watched a boat in Ft Lauderdale get there rigging replaced in the slip and if that's all you are doing then I would have no concerns doing that but for us we had a lot of extras to do.
One of the main reasons we did the rigging now and not wait till Martinique was we were getting a lot of mast pumping and could not get rid of it. Once the riggers had tuned it the pumping was even worse and they had no solution to it even after I had shown them the tuning write up so I loosened everything off and followed the directions explicitly and what do you know no more pumping. I'm sure it's not tight enough but I hope to bump into some SM's shortly and check tension with them and we still plan on heading direct to Martinique in Nov.
Acmo rigging was just as advertised, perfect.
Price for the crane was about $600 each way and all the riggers did was remove and replace the masts and do their tune.
Hope this helps
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis


From: main@... <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 12:47:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 


Re: Insurance in Europe

Matt Salatino
 

We are all certainly entitled to our own opinions. I have great respect for Bill’s insight and experience. It was hard-earned. 
On the other hand, my background gives me the desire for all available data. 
I agree that there are two sides to every story, and I appreciate that, but I think, in my years on the planet, I’ve been able to glean information from both overly good, and overly bad reviews.  
I believe in sharing experience and information, and let the user sort it to their best ability. 
In my humble opinion, I believe censorship of data, positive, or negative, does a disservice to the community as a whole. 
In my specific case, I’ve heard nothing but positive about Pantaenius UK. Sadly, I’ve read the opposite, too many times, about Pantaenius USA. (Yes, they are great at giving quotes)
Believe me, I want to believe the USA company will give excellent claim service, especially since their quote is the most competitive. I haven’t given up on them yet. 
I’m at the stage in my life, though, where value supersedes price (as evidence of that, we’re buying a new Amel!). So I do want as much information, both positive and negative, to make the best, most informed decision possible. 
I’m sure most of us would too. How can we make educated decisions, with carefully filtered information? Hiding information because it doesn’t meet someone’s particular standard smacks of dishonesty to me. But that’s just my own opinion. You are welcome to disagree. 
Matt Salatino
Amel 50, #27
Speed of Life

On Aug 24, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:sangaris@...

Hi Matt,
    I think your post is a good example of what Bill Rouse was talking about recently in admonishing negative reviews on this forum. To be "warned to avoid" a vendor without any specifics and without a full story is, frankly, not very meaningful. "War stories", especially about insurance claims, are notoriously one sided.  And the many replies you got lauding Pantaenius USA points that out.  But then we all listen to our mates; we just need to judge when to add that grain of salt.
    There have been many factual posts here about Pantaenius USA's hurricane zone requirements in the Caribbean and Florida being virtually impossible to meet and their breathtaking premium quotes for that region essentially taking them out of that market.
    At the same time there also have been posts about their excellent coverage and very competitive rates for US boats cruising Europe, which I experienced.
    No claims in 32 years, btw, suggests that will be your continuing experience and other replies to your post praising Pantaenius USA should alleviate any concerns about Pantaenius USA's claim service.
Good luck with your shopping.
Craig - SN68 Sangaris


Re: Climma Compact 9 EH MK3 Air Conditioning

eric freedman
 

Hi Mark,
It is quite easy to check the compressor.
On my Climma there are two wires and possibly a ground coming out of the compressor.

I recall there is a connector or a screw type terminal on the 2 compressor wires.
Make sure the AC is off on all the AC units and check the resistance between each hot wire and the case gf the compressor or ground.
I don't recall if there is a ground. In any event if you have 0 ohms between either of the hot wires and the case/ground the compressor is toast.
Fair Winds.
Eric
Sm 376 Kimberlite

On August 23, 2019 at 4:07 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Yes the control circuit board in the separate control box. However, this is not the problem. All things on the unit work until the compressor power cable is connected. Then pop goes the GF breaker. I really am beginning to believe the compressor is kaput.

 

I haven’t had much luck with Coastal Climate Control in the past. I think you know of my experiences there. The last time I talked to them regarding this very same unit, they tried to tell me to re-engineer the AC cooling system for the entire boat and that Amel was wrong with the installation design. I think I would rather try to fix it locally or replace it than deal with them again. But, thanks anyway for the idea.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 4:41 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Climma Compact 9 EH MK3 Air Conditioning

 

If you bought it from Coastal Climate Control, Rob will help you troubleshoot it via phone or email. And when you say "remote circuit board" I assume that you are talking about the control circuit board. It seems to me that your problem could also possibly be with it. I did have a similar problem...when I changed the large 40mf Capacitor, the problem went away. Doesn't make sense, but it happened.

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Image removed by sender.

 

 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 3:32 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

 

This is the new Climma unit. It is about 4 years old. I replaced a non-Climma unit with this to get back to the original band of parts.

 

The wire harness has a Blue and White wire that connects to the remote circuit board.. This powers the compressor. When I disconnect this, the unit will power but obviously the compressor doesn’t run.

 

The start capacitor checks out. I think it would only pop the GF breaker when the compressor tries to start if this were bad. But it pops immediately when power is applied to the unit.

The run capacitor checks out. I completely disconnected it and still got a GF trip.

The connections are all very clean and no corrosion.

 

I think the only thing left is a fault or short inside the compressor.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of CW Bill Rouse
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 3:03 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Climma Compact 9 EH MK3 Air Conditioning

 

Mark,

 

Wasn't that the unit you replaced with non-Climma?

 

None of this will likely help because it is likely the compressor has an internal short.

 

If it is not Climma, I am not sure how the electrical connection to the compressor is made, but that connection should be checked closely. What about start and run capacitors? Are they in tolerance and are the connections free of any corrosion?

 

 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Yacht School - Supporting Amel Owners
www.YachtSchool.us
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 1:43 PM Hans-Joerg Wildhagen <carpediemsail@...> wrote:

Hi Mark

 

May be it is a similar problem as with a waterheater when the heater is corroded and the phase and the zero conductor comes at certain point together. I am not sure with that.

BR Hans-Jörg from Germany

Wasabi in Shelter Bay Marina.

 

 

Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> schrieb am Fr. 23. Aug. 2019 um 20:21:

Rats! It’s hot as heck here in Panama and my aft AC has decided not to play.

 

This morning, the main GF breaker popped. By turning on breakers one at a time, I was able to determine I have a GF in the aft AC unit. The AC unit immediately pops the GF breaker when powered on.

 

I have isolated the fault to the compressor. If I disconnect the compressor power from the main circuit board everything else works. The board powers up, the fan turns on etc. The moment I connect the compressor power, the boat’s main GF breaker pops.

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Vista Mar, Panama

www.creampuff.us

 


 

 


Re: Insurance in Europe

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Matt,
    These insurance companies are more inbred than Hogan's goat, but, yes, I think Pantaenius USA is the happy one - for US boats in Europe or non-tropical storm areas of the US (can't speak to the Pacific). Like virtually all of these companies they are underwritten by pools of international underwriters, and, so, seeking a "US Insurer" isn't really a possibility.  IMIS/Gowrie/Jackline, for example, is underwritten by Markel Insurance Company, a Virginia corporation, but they place their underwriting with dozens of companies, many foreign, like Lloyds of London. Similarly, the various Pantaenius companies are underwritten by pools of underwriters. Basically, they are all marketing arms, packaging up various products for us.
    IMIS, for example, was started by Al Golden, a good friend well known to many in the SSCA. He created the Jackline Policy to meet the needs of the cruising community, of which he is a part and continues to strongly support through SSCA and others - he's pretty much retired now and his son has taken the reins.  All great folks who have a true value added to a nameless cadre of underwriters because they know the market and can make things happen if there's a claim.
    Even the "most American" company for insurance, Boat US, runs their policies through GEICO, but as much as we love their gecco their underwriters are a world-wide group of insurance carriers.
    I've had great experience with Pantaenius USA even though I never had a claim, but they do use non-USA, A-rated underwriters like Lloyds of London and a bunch of others. They do have really helpful agents in the US, like Scott, and that's worth a lot.
    Now, I did have one claim with Pantaenius' parent organization in Germany when I had a lightning strike while my boat was on a freighter (you're not covered by your normal policy if you're being transported - you need a separate policy).  Pantaenius-Germany's service could not have been better and they paid out in full as soon as I got the paper work and quotes submitted. I have no idea who actually supplied the funds for that - it's all behind the scenes in international underwriting.
   So do check to see who the underwriters are for whatever company's name is on your policy and see that they are highly rated. Other than that, you've simply got to judge the credibility of the agent you're dealing with. 
Cheers,
Craig SN68 Sangaris


On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 07:42 PM, Matt Salatino wrote:
Thanks Craig,
Still trying to confirm if the happily insured are with PAntEnius US or UK. 
I’ve learned they are two different carriers only sharing a common name. Also two different records of satisfaction.  
I will gladly go with Pantaenius US for my European travels if their insurer is indeed the US variety. 
We will have to reassess when we cross the pond. 
Thx again


Re: Insurance in Europe

Matt Salatino
 

Thanks, Theo. 
I’ll give them a call. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 24, 2019, at 8:32 AM, Theo s/v Paloma <sailingpaloma1@...> wrote:

I'm happy with Novamar. Their prices are competitive. I've used them for three boats, including the one in the S. Pacific. I've had no claims though, ever.

Theo.
s/v Paloma
Amel 50 #18


Re: Insurance in Europe

Matt Salatino
 

Thanks Craig,
Still trying to confirm if the happily insured are with PAntEnius US or UK. 
I’ve learned they are two different carriers only sharing a common name. Also two different records of satisfaction.  
I will gladly go with Pantaenius US for my European travels if their insurer is indeed the US variety. 
We will have to reassess when we cross the pond. 
Thx again

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 24, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Hi Matt,
    I think your post is a good example of what Bill Rouse was talking about recently in admonishing negative reviews on this forum. To be "warned to avoid" a vendor without any specifics and without a full story is, frankly, not very meaningful. "War stories", especially about insurance claims, are notoriously one sided.  And the many replies you got lauding Pantaenius USA points that out.  But then we all listen to our mates; we just need to judge when to add that grain of salt.
    There have been many factual posts here about Pantaenius USA's hurricane zone requirements in the Caribbean and Florida being virtually impossible to meet and their breathtaking premium quotes for that region essentially taking them out of that market.
    At the same time there also have been posts about their excellent coverage and very competitive rates for US boats cruising Europe, which I experienced.
    No claims in 32 years, btw, suggests that will be your continuing experience and other replies to your post praising Pantaenius USA should alleviate any concerns about Pantaenius USA's claim service.
Good luck with your shopping.
Craig - SN68 Sangaris


Re: Insurance in Europe

Matt Salatino
 

Thanks for the valuable feedback. 
This is with Pantaenius USA, and not U.K.?
They are very different companies. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 24, 2019, at 6:04 AM, Patrick McAneny via Groups.Io <sailw32@...> wrote:

Gary, I concur ,I have had nothing but positive experiences with Pantaenius . Unfortunately I have had now  three claims ,a lightning strike two years ago,they paid every penny ,replaced all the electronics on the boat . Representing me now against Dream Yacht Charters from damage they did to my boat in the Caribbean last winter. They already paid me for all the damages up front, and are pursuing reimbursement from DYC . I got that check within a week of submitting the estimate. Two weeks ago my wind transducer was damaged by lightning ,another claim and they were responsive to that as well ,although we are waiting for the estimate . Can't compare rates ,but mine seems reasonable .
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Wells <gary@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Aug 24, 2019 7:52 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance in Europe

I guess I've not had the same experience with Pantaenius as some others but for us they have been easy to work with and very responsive to our requests to change cruising grounds. 

I've been fortunate to not have a claim so I can't speak to that end but I have read (here, I think) that their post-lightning-strike service was very good.

I know all I have to do is write an email to them and within a day or two I get a new quote for our cruising grounds when we go from U.S. to Med. to Caribbean (which is now a very pricey market).

Without wanting to start a negative discourse, I would not be a person to warn you against them but rather to give a good in depth look at their merits and the scope of coverage they have.

So far, so good with them and the people I have dealt with have all be friendly and accommodating .. even when I "oopsee'd" and sailed out of my coverage area unknowingly :). 

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Halifax, NS