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Re: Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience

Mark McGovern
 

Dominique,

I agree with what most of the others have said here.  It is highly unlikely that the cable itself is the problem.  It is way more likely to be a loose, corroded, or damaged termination on either the +12V or -12V cables going from the starting battery to the starter motor on your engine.  Check, clean, repair, re-install and apply Corrosion X (or your favorite corrosion inhibitor) on each termination on both + and - cables. 

Given that you say the starter battery is new, you should also check the voltage output on the 12V alternators on both the Yanmar and the Generator to make sure that they are working properly.  You should also check and clean all the terminations on the cables going from the alternators to the starter battery.

Last, get yourself a cheap battery tester like this one or similar:  https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4/ref=asc_df_B0015PI7A4/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312280085431&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4260724397295291035&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9007796&hvtargid=pla-499796143917&psc=1

Please let us know what you find and how you resolved the issue.  Good luck!
   
--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: start stop engine

rossirossix4
 

Anybody have the diode part number and a US source for the diodes?  Seems like they are a popular enough problem with the Yanmar to merit carrying a spare.
Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI is on the hard in Varadero, Aruba we are in Crested Butte, CO 

Varadero has a 7' + low tide channel to the marina.  Use a hydraulic trailer lift for about $350USD with diver.  One of the best lifts we've ever had with our SM or our SN.   https://photos.app.goo.gl/2c1ZrAKD2gXcY7iQ6


Re: start stop engine

Gerhard Mueller
 

Altogether there are 15 diodes.


--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: AMEL HAS AN OFFICE IN HUNTINGTON NY

Matt Salatino
 

We were in La Rochelle, looking at our boat being built (#27), in July. We spoke with the marketing director:
Amel sailed it across a few months ago.
They kept it in Mamaroneck, NY.
They plan to show at both Newport, and Annapolis.
Then the plan is to sell the boat.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 26, 2019, at 7:45 PM, John Clark <john.biohead@...> wrote:

Wow cool.  Is Amel going to set up a US based service center?

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 3:00 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I went by the office as I heard there was a 50 in the harbor across from my boat.

The 50 was returned to the main office and is now back in Huntington.

I am going to take a look at it Saturday. If anyone is nearby and would like to see it  is here.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: AMEL HAS AN OFFICE IN HUNTINGTON NY

John Clark
 

Wow cool.  Is Amel going to set up a US based service center?


On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 3:00 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

I went by the office as I heard there was a 50 in the harbor across from my boat.

The 50 was returned to the main office and is now back in Huntington.

I am going to take a look at it Saturday. If anyone is nearby and would like to see it  is here.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Insurance in Europe

John Clark
 

Agree as well. 

I have had experiences with venders that was good and bad requiring explaination.   No we shouldn't wontonly black list vendors without cause, and some discussion would be enlightening to others.  

I too am with IMIS with a Jackline policy after my long-term insurance provider in the UK backed out of Caribbean basin.  Knowledgible and responsive US based insurance.  More expensive than before but so is everyone else after that bad year.  

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019, 10:14 AM Matt Salatino via Groups.Io <helmsmatt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Craig,
We vemently agree! :-)

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 25, 2019, at 5:20 AM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Hi Matt,
   Agree 100% with your statement that censorship does a disservice to us all and carefully filtered info is not helpful. I think opinions though, be they positive or negative, are much more helpful if they are supported by some facts. So the point I was making was simply that being "warned to avoid" with no facts supporting that opinion didn't seem helpful in making an informed decision - it's kind of like somebody's experience with no information attached. Then again, the venerable Consumer Reports organization gives "Customer Satisfaction" ratings in addition to their factual test-based ratings. However, those are not single data points as are prevalent in forums like this.
   Btw, I forgot to mention in my earlier post that there's an excellent recorded Webinar on buying insurance put on by SSCA that's available on their web site. It was initially developed by Al Golden of IMIS.  Interestingly, Al put me off of Pantaenius many years ago with some fact-based opinion - at the time, the Pantaenius product was a "Named Perils" type of policy (only covering their list of perils, albeit quite comprehensive). His Jackline policy through Markel was an "All-risk" policy that covered any type of loss unless specifically excluded. Being a Broker, he did offer to sell me the Pantaenius policy if I really wanted it - I stuck with Jackline.  Pantaenius switched to "All-risk" a couple of years later and I went there for the savings, so there's another twist available to you; stick with a Broker like IMIS who has a great reputation for service but get the product of the insurer you want. Then again, I've had excellent response from Pantaenius USA (albeit no claims).
  Happy shopping,  Craig


Re: Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience

Eric Freedman
 

Hi Dominique,

I would first check that the battery connector at the starter motor is clean.

I would also check The Valeo solenoid to see if it has clean connections both the battery cable and the small wire that goes to the engine block.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dominique Guenot
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:25 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Engine Battery cable to starter motor to be replaced - looking for experience

 

Hello, 

My engine battery was not able to start the Yanmar this morning.
I jumped start the engine successfully using the House battery bank 
The engine battery is 2 month old and charged.

 A reputable electro-mechanic tested Volt and Amp during the start when you turn on the key with the engine battery:
- at battery level it is correct 
- at starter motor level there is a significant drop in Volt and Amp, (way more than expected when the starter kicks in) and cannot launch the starter motor. 
Therefore he recommends changing the cables which are "consuming Amp" and will eventually stop working.

I never thought that such big cables (35mm2) could degrade and/or stop working?
Is someone had similar problems? 
Any recommendation? 

Thanks
Dominique   
sv Viva 
SM #374
Papeete, French Polynesia 


Re: start stop engine

Eric Freedman
 

Hi Kent,

My engine has 2 diodes.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of karkauai via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:24 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] start stop engine

 

To make it clearer, Amel uses a “floating”, or “isolated” ground system that disconnects battery negative from the bonding (zincs) system. It makes a connection to the engine block only when the starter, stop solenoid, or glow plugs are energized.  A solenoid in the line between battery negative and the engine block is energized to complete the circuit.  There are three diodes in the circuit that prevent a feedback loop which would energize the stop and start solenoids at the same time.  If the stop diode failed, the button wouldn’t work.  If the start diode shorted, you would hear the starter motor when you pushed the stop button.
If the stop diode shorted the engine wouldn’t start because the stop solenoid would be energized when you keyed the engine to start.

Craig, Bill, Danny, etc, if I don’t have this quite right, please correct me, .
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Matt Salatino
 

Wow!
I’ve had, maybe 3 connections, over the years, that I was investigating due to poor performance fridge, pump, light), where the termination was hot enough to ignite the surroundings. Fortunately, I caught them in time, cleaned, and treated.....yes, terminations require maintenance....

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 26, 2019, at 3:41 AM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Spot on, Matt.  We had one actually ignite into flames - only time I ever had to use a fire extinguisher - scary. Corrosion-X etc on the shore power prongs wouldn't hurt either - that's where the heat built up in ours.
Craig


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Eamonn Washington
 

Hi

I am happy Tom found the problem before it became a big one. 

I added a 32A galvanic isolator in the aft lazarette, so the setup is complete.  It is very handy having the rotary selection switch (Genset, Off, Shore) in the galley beside the Genset start switch.

While I was looking for a solution I ordered the original contactor, second hand but looks OK and is vacuum packed.  I don’t need it.  If anyone wants it (free) they can have it, ideally by anchoring in the same bay but I could post it.

Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug
Super Maramu #151
Currently in Alghero, Sardinia, Italy.


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Craig Briggs
 

Spot on, Matt.  We had one actually ignite into flames - only time I ever had to use a fire extinguisher - scary. Corrosion-X etc on the shore power prongs wouldn't hurt either - that's where the heat built up in ours.
Craig


Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Matt Salatino
 

Clearly high resistance in that terminal block. Unfortunately, this isn’t so uncommon.
In our 32 years of boat ownership, we found that electrical terminations are just another item to be maintained.
May I suggest, when replacing this terminal block, use a nonconducting, oxidation-preventing gel to eliminate oxygen exposure to the wire ends. There are several brands... Corrosion-X, I-nox, etc.....


~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 25, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:

Once again, the value of this group astounds me. Because of this thread, I checked the contactor box in the cockpit lazarette. The terminal block connecting three wires was close to failing and/or starting a small fire. Not sure why. But replacement of this lets me sleep much more easily. The rest of the gear in the box looked ok, but tough to say how the inside of the main switch is. 
Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240
Chesapeake Bay US


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Re: Shore power contactor burnt out

Thomas Peacock
 

Once again, the value of this group astounds me. Because of this thread, I checked the contactor box in the cockpit lazarette. The terminal block connecting three wires was close to failing and/or starting a small fire. Not sure why. But replacement of this lets me sleep much more easily. The rest of the gear in the box looked ok, but tough to say how the inside of the main switch is. 
Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240
Chesapeake Bay US



Re: Insurance in Europe

Joerg Esdorn
 

I’ve had insurance through Pantaenius US since my boat was new.  Excellent experience and excellent pricing at a little more than .5% of insured value this year.  Coverage was all of the Med, Western Black Sea and Western Europe up to Bergen and 200 miles offshore.  When I asked them to waive the exclusion for Tunesia this year, they did within a couple of days.  They added Canaries and Madeira without increasing the premium.  Im dealing with them through a very experienced insurance broker who is a sailor.  That may be one reason for the good experience....

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem #53


Re: Insurance in Europe

Matt Salatino
 

Thanks. 
1st definitive positive feedback I’ve heard about Pantaenius USA. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 25, 2019, at 7:22 AM, Miles <milesbid@...> wrote:

I have also had good experiences with Pantaenius, both Pantaenius US and Pantaenius Europe.  I had Pantaenius Europe from 2000 to 2008.  At that time they would cover me for anywhere in the world except in US waters.  Their rates were much lower than any US company and they had a very good reputation.  I was surprised to hear that they would not insure you.  Did they say why?  Of course my experience with them was 10 years ago.  I currently have Pantaenius USA and I have also had good experiences with them, including a large claim from a hit and run collision while I was on my mooring.

 

Regards and good luck with your insurance,

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm216 on mooring Newport, RI


Re: Insurance in Europe

Matt Salatino
 

Pantaenius UK referred us to USA when they saw we were US flagged. 

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 25, 2019, at 7:22 AM, Miles <milesbid@...> wrote:

I have also had good experiences with Pantaenius, both Pantaenius US and Pantaenius Europe.  I had Pantaenius Europe from 2000 to 2008.  At that time they would cover me for anywhere in the world except in US waters.  Their rates were much lower than any US company and they had a very good reputation.  I was surprised to hear that they would not insure you.  Did they say why?  Of course my experience with them was 10 years ago.  I currently have Pantaenius USA and I have also had good experiences with them, including a large claim from a hit and run collision while I was on my mooring.

 

Regards and good luck with your insurance,

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm216 on mooring Newport, RI


Re: Insurance in Europe

Miles
 

I have also had good experiences with Pantaenius, both Pantaenius US and Pantaenius Europe.  I had Pantaenius Europe from 2000 to 2008.  At that time they would cover me for anywhere in the world except in US waters.  Their rates were much lower than any US company and they had a very good reputation.  I was surprised to hear that they would not insure you.  Did they say why?  Of course my experience with them was 10 years ago.  I currently have Pantaenius USA and I have also had good experiences with them, including a large claim from a hit and run collision while I was on my mooring.

 

Regards and good luck with your insurance,

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm216 on mooring Newport, RI


Re: Insurance in Europe

Matt Salatino
 

Craig,
We vemently agree! :-)

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 25, 2019, at 5:20 AM, Craig Briggs via Groups.Io <sangaris@...> wrote:

Hi Matt,
   Agree 100% with your statement that censorship does a disservice to us all and carefully filtered info is not helpful. I think opinions though, be they positive or negative, are much more helpful if they are supported by some facts. So the point I was making was simply that being "warned to avoid" with no facts supporting that opinion didn't seem helpful in making an informed decision - it's kind of like somebody's experience with no information attached. Then again, the venerable Consumer Reports organization gives "Customer Satisfaction" ratings in addition to their factual test-based ratings. However, those are not single data points as are prevalent in forums like this.
   Btw, I forgot to mention in my earlier post that there's an excellent recorded Webinar on buying insurance put on by SSCA that's available on their web site. It was initially developed by Al Golden of IMIS.  Interestingly, Al put me off of Pantaenius many years ago with some fact-based opinion - at the time, the Pantaenius product was a "Named Perils" type of policy (only covering their list of perils, albeit quite comprehensive). His Jackline policy through Markel was an "All-risk" policy that covered any type of loss unless specifically excluded. Being a Broker, he did offer to sell me the Pantaenius policy if I really wanted it - I stuck with Jackline.  Pantaenius switched to "All-risk" a couple of years later and I went there for the savings, so there's another twist available to you; stick with a Broker like IMIS who has a great reputation for service but get the product of the insurer you want. Then again, I've had excellent response from Pantaenius USA (albeit no claims).
  Happy shopping,  Craig


Re: Insurance in Europe

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Matt,
   Agree 100% with your statement that censorship does a disservice to us all and carefully filtered info is not helpful. I think opinions though, be they positive or negative, are much more helpful if they are supported by some facts. So the point I was making was simply that being "warned to avoid" with no facts supporting that opinion didn't seem helpful in making an informed decision - it's kind of like somebody's experience with no information attached. Then again, the venerable Consumer Reports organization gives "Customer Satisfaction" ratings in addition to their factual test-based ratings. However, those are not single data points as are prevalent in forums like this.
   Btw, I forgot to mention in my earlier post that there's an excellent recorded Webinar on buying insurance put on by SSCA that's available on their web site. It was initially developed by Al Golden of IMIS.  Interestingly, Al put me off of Pantaenius many years ago with some fact-based opinion - at the time, the Pantaenius product was a "Named Perils" type of policy (only covering their list of perils, albeit quite comprehensive). His Jackline policy through Markel was an "All-risk" policy that covered any type of loss unless specifically excluded. Being a Broker, he did offer to sell me the Pantaenius policy if I really wanted it - I stuck with Jackline.  Pantaenius switched to "All-risk" a couple of years later and I went there for the savings, so there's another twist available to you; stick with a Broker like IMIS who has a great reputation for service but get the product of the insurer you want. Then again, I've had excellent response from Pantaenius USA (albeit no claims).
  Happy shopping,  Craig


Re: Heading S from the Chesapeake

Alan Grayson
 

It’s a lot easier to head to Bermuda then south than to bash into it from the Bahamas
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:18:21 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Heading S from the Chesapeake
 
Definitely!  Are you having work done in Trinidad?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Aug 23, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Chuck_Kim_Joy <clacey9@...> wrote:

Hope to see you all as Kim and I make our way North from Trinidad in November. It's been a bit since St. Michaels. Tune into the Coconut Telegraph when you get settled in and we will connect from there. 
All the best 
Chuck and Kim 
Joy 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 6:00 PM karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ah, too bad.  Now you’ve got us thinking of going to Bermuda again.  Iris hasn’t been since she was a kid.   Hmmm, we may get back to you in this.
K&I

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

On Aug 23, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

Hi Kent, I will be heading to Bermuda first so that cuts me out sorry.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of karkauai via Groups.Io <karkauai@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 5:25:32 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Heading S from the Chesapeake
 
Alan/Mark,
We are also heading S in Nov, first to St Augustine, then meeting friends in Bahamas for a few weeks, then working our way down to Martinique.  Are you going outside straight to Martinique?  If staying W of the Stream we might head out with you.

Kent & Iris
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Aug 23, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Alan Grayson <bazgrayson@...> wrote:

I had a bit of corrosion at the mast base but not bad. I replaced the pads from Maud, expensive little suckers, $280 for the pair. I don’t think I really needed to do that as there is not really anyway for the water to get between the mast base and the pad. Those drain holes you see are the top side of a plate welded into the base of the mast so that there is no way for water to go anywhere else but out those holes..
I will be leaving as soon as the rugby World Cup is over which I think the final is Nov 2nd so absolutely let’s keep in touch, probably head down in company.
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:21:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig
 

Thanks Alan.

Sounds like pulling the mast was a good solution for you and glad to hear it went well.

We are primarily focused on replacing the 20 year old standing rigging, but several “experts” have recommended pulling the mast to check the base. I wonder if that is more of a concern with a keel stepped mast as the base has greater potential for sitting in sea water and is not as readily observed on a regular basis. Did you find any issues at the base/deck interface? Is there a pad there that needed replacement? And as you said, repairs up and down the mast are certainly easier when it is horizontal and bench height.

I was able to locate Olivier’s instructions on the old Yahoo BB and attached them here for reference within the current bulletin board.

We also will depart the Chesapeake, on or around November 3, bound for Martinique. Let’s stay in touch.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Grayson
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 7:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hi Mike, yes we have just finished with the rerig. We pulled the masts which for us was the best way for us to go. We have only had the boat less than a year so we had no idea what condition all the parts were in, jib furler, gearboxes, motors etc so having the masts down allowed us to pull everything off in a much easier way. We were also able to remove old wires from each mast and renew, changed out the steaming light, paint touch up corroded areas, servicing the manual furler gearboxes mizzen and main were accomplished much easier. I felt there was no time pressure if something went wrong.
I watched a boat in Ft Lauderdale get there rigging replaced in the slip and if that's all you are doing then I would have no concerns doing that but for us we had a lot of extras to do.
One of the main reasons we did the rigging now and not wait till Martinique was we were getting a lot of mast pumping and could not get rid of it. Once the riggers had tuned it the pumping was even worse and they had no solution to it even after I had shown them the tuning write up so I loosened everything off and followed the directions explicitly and what do you know no more pumping. I'm sure it's not tight enough but I hope to bump into some SM's shortly and check tension with them and we still plan on heading direct to Martinique in Nov.
Acmo rigging was just as advertised, perfect.
Price for the crane was about $600 each way and all the riggers did was remove and replace the masts and do their tune.
Hope this helps
Regards
Alan Grayson
SM 406 Ora Pai
Annapolis


From: main@... <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Ondra via Groups.Io <mdondra@...>
Sent: Friday, 23 August 2019 12:47:27 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Pulling the mast to rerig

 

Hi Alan.
We are looking at rerigging in the next few months with one vendor wanting to pull the mast and another planning to do it in place. Had not considered doing it ourselves. Have you completed your rerigging and have you any advice from your experience?
Mike Ondra
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, Chesapeake Bay 

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